It seems to me like there are some discrepancies between what men on TRP look for in a woman/don't want in a woman, and what women on RPW actually provide.
Obviously there's a fundamental difference in the sexual strategies applied (sex vs commitment). But beyond that it doesn't seem like those are the kind of women TRP men would want.
Curious to hear what you guys think.
Ex: On TRP there is almost no tolerance for women that have more than a few sexual partners regardless of if they want to change. Meanwhile many women on RPW talk about how they can redeem themselves after slutting it up in college.
DarkisKnight 10y ago
RPW women don't seem to exist in my life. If I met one she would definitely be a unicorn and I'd be interested in dating her possibly having a LTR.
I think where their strategy might be unrealistic is in that they require too much commitment too early on in the relationship. The prevailing viewpoint is that "once a plate, always a plate." However, I think with me the only way to achieve gf status possibly wife status would be to graduate from top plate status by having a lot of girl game and providing value to my life. I'm just not going to commit to a monogamous relationship right away. There are too many other options and that's just making me put way too much work into it without showing me that you have enough value to where I would be willing to do this.
mister_barfly75 10y ago
My SO isn't a Redditor but I've sent her a couple of links to something I've seen on RPW to illustrate what I look for in a woman and a relationship. I like the sub. It offers a refreshing perspective and allows me to hope that not all women are men-hating femanazis.
_wingnut_ 10y ago
When do we talk about being able to "redeem" yourself after slutting it up?
This is patently false. Please link me to it. I can assure you, we do not. If youve seen some random poster try to say that I can assure you you've Also seen them shot down by RPW responses
We don't tell women who fucked up "Oh, well you screwed up, die alone with cats" either. We tell them to own up to their past, not to lie, not to expect a top tier man and to be grateful to the man that will have them and never make him regret it.
studyworkoutsleep 10y ago
Agreed- I do not see people rushing to urge former sluts to hide their past, or supporting that line of thought at all. Reddit is a free for all- plenty of nonRP men post to TRP, same as plenty of nonRPW posting to RPW. We do have a smaller population of posters, so 'off' posts are buried slower.
I find it is a good place to talk honestly about things that get buried in other subreddits. E.g.- I'm already at a weight/size my SO finds attractive, but I love trying to improve and turn up the heat for my man in the summer with an increased exercise regime. I can get fitness advice/cutting advice elsewhere, but RPW is a good place to chat with other women who work as hard as I do to look good for their SO! Honestly, do you really think 2XC wants to hear chicks with a LTR trying to improve themselves for their partner? That would be buried in no time. I was raised on TRP values, and its hard to find other women who were and have followed them without a significanct CC phase - RPW is a great place to get to talk to like minded people I would never see in other parts of reddit.
MorePancakes 10y ago
When you look at the endorsed contributors on RPW they are the only kind of woman I would look for in an LTR... That being said I acknowledge that this is the internet and their posts may not reflect who they truly are.
That make sense?
fnordsnord 10y ago
A woman who sluts it up in her early 20's and then realizes that's not attracting the kind of men she wants is no different than a man who spent his early 20's as an incel or beta-boy wanting to change.
I advise young guys to avoid or be very cautious about reformed sluts.
But I do believe that they can want to change.
CopperFox3c 10y ago
Also probably important to realize that RPW are still working out some of the theory about how the red pill applies to women. The male version of the red pill has a few years head start. RPW will evolve over time.
Honestly given the state of the modern Western female, think it's safe to say they need to unplug just as much as we men do.
Glenbert 10y ago
I've definately seen a good amount of reformers myself. But it's important that young men don't start to rest their hopes on that being the norm.
fnordsnord 10y ago
Precisely.
intelcorei5 10y ago
They do want to change. When they discover what they've been doing is not achieving the desired results. Same as reformed betas.
Men always want to change, in their core--we instinctively want to bed attractive women. Women want to change when they hit 30 or 35 and realize their vagina is losing its power.
Glenbert 10y ago
I don't believe this at all. Look at all the anger-stagers and unicorn-hunters. They want to live the dickie-do-right fantasy that they grew up on. They want to change society and the nature of women. They have no interest in changing themselves.
intelcorei5 10y ago
Those are just stages, I think. Those posters will change (if they are posters. If they're not posters, they're not really following TRP and they're just doing the best they can with limited knowledge).
[deleted] 10y ago
I've said it before:
TRP is full of beta men trying to become alpha. RPW is full of sluts trying to become wife material. Men want sex as soon as possible with commitment as late as possible. Women want commitment as soon as possible with sex as late as possible. For men who are looking for casual sex, "former" sluts are a waste of their time. For men who are looking for marriage material, "former" sluts are not going to be desired. For women who are looking for commitment from an Alpha, men who had to teach themselves to be attractive by reading online are not going to be desired.
Women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of commitment. Alpha fucks, Beta bucks has the counterpart of Slutty flings, Virgin rings. Thus the online communities that exist to help educate men and women on sexual strategy will necessarily have fundamental, irreconcilable differences.
Male and female sexual strategies are adversarial.
It seems counter intuitive but the complementary sexual strategy for both red pill men and RPW is the classic blue pill conditioning. For red pill men who don't want marriage (most of them), the best thing is the you-go-girl young chick exploring her sexuality. Young, fun, slutty, uninhibited. For RPW who want marriage (most of them), the best thing is the clueless alpha who doesn't understand his own relationship market value, that wants a marriage, that she can get locked down quickly (alpha fucks).
What you see in TRP and RPW by and large is people who have failed at sexual relationships due to blue pill conditioning. Neither group is desired by the other. No dude on TRP is going to be spilling his guts to a chick he wants to fuck about how much of a sexless beta he used to be before he read stuff on the internet. No RPW is going to confess to the man she wants to marry, that she didn't fuck until after 6 months of dating, that she used to get gang banged in college.
_wingnut_ 10y ago
You've never read a pixel of RPW
Merwebb 10y ago
So this is the translation of the feeling ive been having on my gut and havent been able to point my finger on it.
This is the reason ive been feeling awful these days.
Shit
CisWhiteMaelstrom 10y ago
They're awesome. I'd love to date one of them.
Glenbert 10y ago
So, you've already acknowledged the difference in sexual strategies of men and women. But beyond that, age is what accounts for the discrepancy. TRP had a lot of teenagers and 20 somethings.
For some reason young men today are incredibly literal. They fail to understand the difference between deterministic and probabilistic reasoning. So there's a sort of fundamentalism that emerges over there.
Personally, I'm OK with it, if it keeps them from making the same mistakes guys my age made.
NickCiufi 10y ago
Salt of the earth, those broads. We should co-host a fundraiser sometime.
MustardLordXVII 10y ago
not all TRP posters are legit RP either, most of us are on the way there but haven't hit it or are missing it altogether. It's natural that not all of the women are RP either
RichardPalma 10y ago
I think men who really and deeply believe TRP dogma can be easily controlled by women who understand that dogma and their predictable reaction to it.. As such, it is highly risky for an average TRP man to get with a TRP woman. Queue men convincing themselves they aren't average and can handle it.
Fuschia19 10y ago
lol they are sluts who are trying to 'change' (basically trying to not come accross as a slut). they get 5/10 for the effort though
blueone12 10y ago
Not nice women, talking in their chatroom about how they love cats, hate kids, would abort if they got pregnant, masturbate with dildos, and so on. No different from mainstream women they just know how to pretend to be ladies so they can better manipulate men. They are mostly married women who want to try to make their beta husbands act more alpha.
_wingnut_ 10y ago
and what does abortion, loving cats, masturbating with dildos, not liking kids or anything else you mentioned have to do with having RP based relationships with our SOs? explain
did someone misinform you that RPW meant victorian hausfrau?
Not one of our married regulars has that issue, if anything the issue with our married regulars is how to get a bit more beta comfort from our husbands,not the other way around. None of you people read anything before commenting on and mischaracterizingit
blueone12 10y ago
they are indications that a woman is not wife material
Aerobus 10y ago
I've spent a lot of time there. All I'll say is this:
Remember that at the end of the day, women are women. Females behave as females behave. Don't expect otherwise. AWALT applies.
stealthcreeper 10y ago
Since the beginning of times, women wanted to do everything men did.
They want to be like us.
There are some women in RPW that are true RP though.
RPSigmaStigma 10y ago
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