when I say that there is no point in getting married as women initiate 70% of divorces, and that 70% is such a high figure that we should question women's motives, I get met with the response, "yes but why are these women initiating these divorces? Their husbands probably cheated on them too"
How do I counter this point?
Is there more to the argument that the women are divorcing their beta husbands they were forced to settle with at 28/29, and the alpha re-interest phase (where lots of women stray at 34-37).
ryeprotagonist 10y ago
imo, they're initiating divorce more than that.
how many guys that you know decided to dissolve their marriage? of the men i know who have filed for divorce, it was their woman making them do it.
fits in with all RP concepts of hypergamy, war brides and the modern western incentivization for women to kick their husband out for cash and prizes so they can eat pray and love.
snr73 10y ago
Perhaps a women in later years, having had children, and dealt with the difficulty of living with a difficult man might...actually...choose...to be alone?
I know TRP says that all women are either looking for a beta bux provider or sadly fapping their ancient twats while pretending to have a career, but, is it not possible that some women, after years of marriage, and able to support themselves, might not decide "fuck this" as much as men can?
And as long as the children are provided for, and cared for (and loved) does it really matter?
TheInkerman 10y ago
I remember reading somewhere that the primary reason for female initiated divorce in the US was financial trouble (on the man's side), I'll try and find the source, I think it was linked on the Red Pill a while back.
EDIT: These statistics from the UK show that men divorce women slightly more often on the grounds of infidelity (15% vs 14%) shooting the "cheating husbands" myth in the foot. The majority (54%) of female initiated divorces cite 'Behaviour' as the reason (this can include physical violence, drug taking, drinking, and 'refusal to pay for housekeeping', I think it's quite broad), while most divorces due to seperation are actually made by men, giving credence to the suspicion in the US that a large part of 30% of male initiated divorces are made after their wives have already left them.
[deleted] 10y ago
This is 100% textbook hamstering without any facts to back it up.
If the men were alpha enough to cheat on their wifes, then they wouldn't be leaving them.
That being said, why would you argue about rp material? The only thing you'll accomplish is shooting yourself in the foot.
Perspective133 10y ago
That's a fairly ridiculous assumption and has nothing to do with RP. Most women will leave their men for cheating on them I'd wager, the ones who would not typically have codependency issues.
Manuel_S 10y ago
Well... there's 2 kinds of cheaters.
1 is the guy that had a slip, is found, then begs forgiveness and shit and gets his ass fucked.
2 is the guy that gets home and tells her that she is failing to stimulate him enough but luckily Charlene just did. However, he's feeling generous. Long as she gets a good sammich going right fucking now, apologizes for being remiss in her duties and sucks the other woman's smell off his dick cause he don't like mixtures, he might just give her one in the ass.
TogiBear 10y ago
Yes it does. Women would rather share an alpha than have a beta to herself.
Perspective133 10y ago
So cheating makes a guy an "alpha"?
TogiBear 10y ago
Not at all. I meant the assumption that most women will end their relationship with an alpha simply for committing infidelity.
Men and women view cheating differently. When a man cheats, his woman worries more about whether he's making an emotional connection to the other woman. When a woman cheats, her man worries more about whether she had sex and less about the emotional connection.
Cheating by itself isn't alpha behavior, it's shitty behavior.
yummyluckycharms 10y ago
1) Statistically speaking, women will have a greater chance of cheating then men in their life times (Robin Baker I believe brought this up). The difference isnt great between the genders - but its there
2) Also, it assumes that in all of these cases, these men cheated, which is misandrist. The people that post that are just spouting hate speech.
You're response to is to publically shame and expose the hate filled individuals for what they are and report them....
LukeMooney 10y ago
"Source or GTFO, 70% of women initiating divorce is a fact. Your "husbands probably cheated on them" is something you've just plucked out of thin air"
gabilromariz 10y ago
It would be interesting to see some real statistics on this one. Feel free to share if you do find these figures on a reputable source, I'd be curious
FloranHunter 10y ago
You could counter by dismissing their completely unjustified speculation as completely unjustified speculation. They don't sound smart enough to do anything but screech in response so research isn't going to help you counter anything.
captinfail 10y ago
easy answers.... bitches be crazy
also they seem to have more problems keeping it their pants
KyfhoMyoba 10y ago
Women tend to get divorced only when there is a good chance at remarriage. Older women initiate divorce far less than younger women.
loin_fruit 10y ago
I'm iffy about this. I would think that some women would be ok with being independent after the divorce simply because they took half if not more than what the husband owned.
phasetwenty 10y ago
Dalrock has given this topic the best treatment in of the manosphere. Although he has an explicitly Christian agenda, non-Christians should still pay attention. I don't have a good article for your question since it's such a broad topic, so I suggest browsing the category: http://dalrock.wordpress.com/category/divorce/
[deleted] 10y ago
The ''5 year plan'' at 22 is all fine and well until year 6 or 7 comes around.
SpinalArt 10y ago
Feminism has allowed women to have their pick at a superior man?
Average_Black_Man 10y ago
What? Feminism hasn't allowed for that, that is common sense. If you could have your pick at any woman, would you pick the hotter and therefore superior one?
SpinalArt 10y ago
Eddie Murphy's Bush bitch comes to mind. Once she knows she doesn't have to settle for less she's going to leave her husband and "go get hers". Patrice O'neal bit about american men being superman and american women being kryptonite comes to mind. We work, try to be sensitive to their needs, work out and can hold a conversation but it isn't enough. This relates to my question in that maybe that now women are liberated they have no need to settle for anything less than what they believe a "superior man" is. Isn't what being alpha and the red pill is about? The bitter side of me tells me that the only reason a woman would want to marry is because there's an ulterior motive and not because she's found that superior man. It's not always like that and to me it's just a passing thought.
648262 10y ago
I don't mean to dodge your question, but why are you not doing the same in these discussions? You don't want to get married - end of discussion.