For a while before I found trp, I was a member of NoFap. I liked the idea of not masturbating and watching porn because I had previously been abusing it way too much. I got pretty into it before I realized that it's impossible to really cut out every trigger in your life, and there will be times when you want to just bust a nut and no girls are around. I actually found TRP through nofap and I found nofap to be slightly cultish. I still barely watch porn now and I do feel that nofap and trp tie in together with self-improvement. Any experienced redpillers that could tell me how TRP views porn and such?
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mauripj 10y ago
I've gone back and forth on this subject myself and I'm still figuring out where I land. I tried the whole no fap thing and I found instead of all the "super power" like qualities that they claim happen, I just found myself listless and sort of dull. Now I agree spanking it to porn everyday is bad, because you do become sensitized to it. Mix in a little porn and a little imagination. Sometimes you do need a little visual help to get things going.
I just think from a biological standpoint the release of dopamine from fapping can be good in certain situations. Tough day, need help sleeping, help focusing, I don't know, every man is different. I think to rid yourself of it all together is detrimental.
If you're worried about how some porn portrays women in unrealistic settings (I'm looking at you Moms Bang Teens), there's plenty of porn out there that's more sensual and realistic you can watch.
Does is substitute for sex? No. But does it feel good? Absolutely. Just like doing your favorite hobby or activity is no substitute for sex, but they sure are fun. Life is short. Wank it, don't wank it. Go on a PornHub bender, lie in the dark imagining the cute girl you met, whatever tickles your fancy. It's your life, stop worrying about what what every other guy on the internet is doing.
thepillwastaken 10y ago
I don't get the concept of no fap unless you have low T. After 5 days without firing a load my balls are aching for sweet release and I start hitting on girls I'd have never acknowledged 3 days prior.
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According to NoFap this is the "eye opener" because why bother improving yourself for yourself and by extend have a go at better girls when you can just sexually frustrate yourself to the point of dating a chick you wouldn't even care if she existed before?
SeekingTheWay 10y ago
porn screws up your dopamine receptors.
you can fap without porn, although i suggest cutting it as much as you can withstand.
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Ayoung4u 10y ago
See that's a problem of mine, I don't watch it often, but when I do, I'll watch it for an hour straight. And over time it conditions our brains to take the easy way out(porn) instead of putting in effort to meet a real chick. That's just simple dopamine release and how our brains were evolutionarily not prepared for internet porn. Of course, we can counter that with knowledge and will, but the urge is there.
harkrank 10y ago
Porn abuse is like drug abuse and alcohol abuse.
They are not the problem, they are symptoms of an unsatisfied life. Nobody becomes a drug addict or an alcoholic unless their sober state can't give them equal satisfaction. The solution is to improve your life and mind to the point where the sober state is a more pleasant experience for you than the drunk or high state.
People drink to get access to an experience that is denied sober, being able to be in the moment and to lose inhibitions. If you allow yourself to access the same state of mind while sober, alcohol will be limiting instead of liberating. Alcohol will just be tiring and stupifying while giving no benefits.
Back to porn. Men get wired to porn because they have no access or very limited access to real sex when they reach puberty and many years thereafter. Of course you'll be jerking to porn if you have exactly .0001% chance of getting laid, which is the reality of 80% of 14-20 years old. And after 5+ years of only porn you'll be wired to it.
There is a reason that free porn is so easily accessible online and that is that Europe and America would fucking burn if that wasn't the case.
If you're looking at a lot of porn there is something wrong in your life, don't fear any measure to change that. Anything that won't kill you.
Ayoung4u 10y ago
Trust me, I know. I was hooked on porn in the fifth grade and there were periods where I had girlfriends in high school and didn't watch porn, for obvious reasons. But it IS highly addicting, it's almost like your brain is overriden by urges. Right now, I keep myself so busy I barely have time for porn and when I do watch it, I feel highly dissatisfied and disappointed.
[deleted] 10y ago
Read Models by Manson.
Try masturbating once per week to a girl you know that you want to bang. Helps out in many ways
Ayoung4u 10y ago
I'm guessing it builds up your libido and stops you from becoming overly sensitive?
[deleted] 10y ago
There's a lot of reasons and a lot of them are psychological too.
Ultimately Porn offers 0 benefits to men and should be removed
MagnanimousGenius 10y ago
Most important point would be that it ruins your erections
A personal feeling of mine was that it gives women to much power/control over your sexuality. They have enough of that as it is.
oldredder 10y ago
neither is true. Porn offers an escape with no STDs that may be in a time you can't get laid (say, 10 minutes before leaving for work, plates are out) and porn + masturbation can help you train erections to last for hours.
Of course if you never try you'll never know.
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Models by manson goes into it for great depth.
Porn creates unrealistic interpretations of women in your mind, you will stop being turned on by nature beauty of women because you condition yourself into a mental box where only porn girls turn you on. Masturbation death grip will occur and you won't be able to enjoy sex the way it was meant to do.
Think about it; there is nothing more sad and pathetic than a man sitting at home alone masturbating. Get out of the house and meet some women
oldredder 10y ago
Such as? Women like sex? That's not unrealistic. Women like attention? That's not either. Women will do sexual things for money/attention? Nope, realistic there too.
Your opinion is yours, granted, but it isn't proven whatsoever.
Examples of porn I have: girls fingering with or without dildo alone on webcam. Unrealistic how? Unhealthy how? Not at all.
Next example: girl giving blowjob on sybian. What's unrealistic? A sybian costs thousands of dollars so no way this girl would pay for her own no matter how bad she wants it.
trpSenator 10y ago
Until week 2 rolls around, of no pussy, and now event he ugliest chick in the room looks boneable. So you bone her. And literally right as you cum you think, "What am I doing with my life?"
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trpSenator 10y ago
Ehhh.... There has been more than one time where I finished and thought, "I should have stayed home and masturbated"
The_Turbinator 10y ago
I know this feel. This is not a good feel.
MagnanimousGenius 10y ago
Hence the origin of pejoratives like wanker, tosser etc. Masturbators are shameful and cannot get laid. Not that you should never ever wank.
oldredder 10y ago
makes no sense to me. If it's OK for a woman to do so certainly it's OK for a man.
Having sex non-stop is not always a healthy use of your time. Having a quick orgasm then returning to important non-sex use of your time can be healthy and fine.
MagnanimousGenius 10y ago
Men and women are not the same, and this is nonsense. Jacking off all the time to porn can and does lead to erectile dysfunction. Better to do it once a week and with your imagination, less you become unable to become hard unless its finding the most disgusting, outlandish porn available.
oldredder 10y ago
in some cases that's true - after all, I wouldn't expect women to use urinals or men to get pregnant! But in some cases human needs overlap genders.
The benefit of masturbation is one of those overlaps.
Jacking off 3x/day just like having sex 3x/day for me is identical and never stops me from getting hard a 4th time in the day, every day. For me the only way to lose my ability to get hard is to drop masturbation more than a few weeks. That erases my sex drive.
Better not cut back masturbation unless you are getting laid on the regular or have such a powerful sex drive (rare) that even with no action for weeks you can still desire it powerfully (not me). The less orgasm I get, the less I want it.
As for porn escalation - there's no such thing. Never seen a man do this, want this, including myself. I like what I like, dislike what I dislike and this hasn't changed in 25 years of seeing porn. Literally not one change ever: I like seeing a woman by herself or with other women. Nothing else. I hate seeing anal because poop is disgusting and this will never change.
ConfidenceMatters 10y ago
It objectifies women and allows you to remove them from the pedestal.
Strangeclouds420 10y ago
That's relative. It could do the complete opposite to another man.
ConfidenceMatters 10y ago
Seeing females from Brazzer or RealityKings featured on pornhub getting nailed and then facialized over and over will most likely NOT make a guy want to pedestalize women.
Strangeclouds420 10y ago
I understand your logic, but just saying that it can equally can go the other way. A guy that's not getting laid at all or only fucking girls of much lower quality than what's on porn could negatively be affected by it. Porn really doesn't alter my perspective on women in either direction, it's simply a physical release for me.
oldredder 10y ago
sounds like an attitude shift is in order: I have banged girls just as hot as in porn I watch and feel none of this. Check out the RSD videos on youtube for how to actually pick up these women. Just be on your game. Have real intent and really act on it. They'll show you how and it's free. They do paid help too but if you see what they actually do in the videos, especially Tyler or Todd, you will probably get it and be able to do it. Nail 8-10/10 every time.
I don't touch girls under 8/10 at all ever now. Ever.
Strangeclouds420 10y ago
I wasn't speaking for myself but describing that other parts of the population could react differently to watching porn.
oldredder 10y ago
doesn't matter: attitude shift in game + appearance will solve the problem. Every man here can fuck a girl as hot as in the porn he watches, also considering (google image search it) some of those porn stars without make-up on are hard 7's or 6's at best.
anonlymouse 10y ago
Nope. It's better to jerk to porn than be in a bad relationship. Especially with all the legal risks. Also, if prostitution is legal where you are, it's best to just pay for one than to even bother with getting a girlfriend.
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Tumblr language should be left at the door. No one who uses the term, "trigger" seems to know what the fuck the word even means. Pulling the trigger on a gun to make it fire is a point of direct force. You're forcing the gun to set a series of events in motion that, assuming its loaded, causes a chemical reaction in the casing that propels the bullet forward. This is not at all the same as masturbating because you got aroused after exposing yourself to a couple of pictures of naked women. Those pictures didn't force you to do anything.
Like many other things its about frequency.
There's nothing inherently wrong with porn but when you start using it in conjunction with masturbation to avoid the prospects of interacting with the opposite sex, you're cheating. Sort of. Its the idea of unearned rewards and privileges- you've done nothing yet you're rewarding yourself. So why do it? You don't know the woman, you're never going to meet her.
Its one thing if you do it once or twice or three times a week, but its something else when you start doing it every day, multiple times a day. If you want to burn away your youth like that, you can be my guest. We're not really here to judge people for harmless leisure activities that hurt no one besides themselves. I will say that no matter what you're trying to do, it'll get in between you and your final destination, so there's that.
This is accurate. There does come a point where ardently rejecting your hormones and body will bite back. People acting like they're wearing a badge of honor for not masturbating for so long that their body's expelling the excess on it's own is beyond silly.
oldredder 10y ago
Guns don't own the word.
For transistors and chips we worry about if signals are edge-triggered on a rising voltage or falling, for example.
The word is applicable. Your criticism is not.
[deleted] 10y ago
That is still a point of events governed and ruled by laws of physics.
People who throw around the term, "triggered" on tumblr want to imply that by saying things and looking at images they are forced to be offended.
oldredder 10y ago
Physics & chemistry are closely related. Neural networks which govern human body & mind still have electrical trigger events and chemical ones where a level of saturation is required of a neurotransmitter in the synaptic cleft will take action - and many in the network for various memories or emotions to take place.
It's valid.
Ayoung4u 10y ago
It was more NoFap language than tumblr, I've never gone on tumblr in my life. I guess I could've used a different choice of words though, kind've like using "plate" in a separate sub. And I only watch it like once a month when I feel like it. But still, I feel lethargic after and that it is counterproductive.
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Then you really have no problem.
A lot of the folks coming to the nofap community are doing some crazy 2+-times-a-day thing which is just crazy.
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Ayoung4u 10y ago
Good outlook, I'll probably just cut out porn than and use imagination.
The_Turbinator 10y ago
Good luck with that. Every time I get to week 2 the urge to fap gets to strong and I end up fapping more furiously than an army of 200 spartans.
___bateman___ 10y ago
There was a post a while back about masturbating to yourself in the mirror. To some it sounds super weird, but I've tried it and it isn't that bad. It does make you more secure and confident in your body and when I've been with girls I've been far more intimate than when I didn't masturbate to myself.
Lol it sounds weird even saying it.
wunderwaxel 10y ago
I think this a point from "No More Mr Nice Guy"
Ayoung4u 10y ago
Haha that's funny man. I actually laughed reading that. What could the benefits possibly be? I figure its better jerking it to imagining actually having sex with a real life girl, if you do at all.
someoneofimportance 10y ago
I've jacked off in the mirror just to see and when I did it I kind of thought it was a turn on to see what girls like in my body, some sort of ego boost which increases self confidence.
___bateman___ 10y ago
Exactly! It works really, really well.
QuidulusBroQuo 10y ago
There are mixed views. My view is that it is bad if you're jerking off instead of going out or improving.
someoneofimportance 10y ago
I'm telling you man, stop jacking off and go get laid. Porn is great and fun but I'd rather blow my load in a girls mouth then all over the back of my laptop screen.
Porn demotivates you to go get laid because once you ejaculate you're not interested in sex anymore, this becomes a cycle because the next time you're horny you're going to jack off (quick release) as opposed to calling up a girl (actual effort).
QuidulusBroQuo 10y ago
How is that different from what I'm saying?
someoneofimportance 10y ago
It's not, I'm just saying something to you
RPlgc 10y ago
I recommend you try a little experiment and see for yourself.
Go 4-5 days straight of masturbating. During this time, it is very important for you to observe the way you interact with others, how motivated you are to get things done, and how it affects you during your time in the gym, etc. Then stop masturbating for 3 days straight and again, observe yourself.
Ayoung4u 10y ago
Oh trust me, I know the results. I've been there, done that. Shooting the seed too much, too often(without a girl) leaves me feeling pretty lazy and unenthused. It's something I try to avoid because it brings more energy when you aren't choking the chicken.
Holden_Frame 10y ago
First and foremost, The perils of porn are situational. If you are not getting any and abuse it, guess what, your motivation to change goes down. It's no different than drinking or smoking weed to feel okay with sitting on the couch all day.
Does that make weed and alcohol bad in all situations? No.
Personally, my policy is to never use porn (or even fapping) if I am doing it out of a sense of need.
I usually only use it when I'm getting otherwise regular sex and just want some visual variety
I also never use it until after I've bust a nut on a "real" girl. I don't want to waste a good orgasm on a screen.
Squeezymypenisy 10y ago
people have different opinions on it. I haven't watched prone for a few weeks, but it's cause Im having a lot of action. Exercise seems to lessen the need as well.
asd1100 10y ago
stop being a bitch, you are a man. You have control over your actions. Bonners get left unsatisfied, it's a fact of life. You decide with bullshit rationalisation like this that it's not you...it's the external factors that push you into carpel tunnel levels of wanking.
So? Have you done cocaine? there literally isn't a time where you would not want to do cocaine. But you don't do it, because you decide consciously not to go out, get cocaine and shove it up your nostril. Actually not doing something is very easy.
The red pill is a world view. Within the paradigm that you are in charge of your actions and their consequences, not only is self-improvement a logical extension of that attitude but any obsessive, self indulgent behavior is incompatible with that attitude. Porn, anime, redditing...everything that isn't making you a quantifiable better(more fuckable) man is destructive and needs to be removed.
Holden_Frame 10y ago
Yet here you are on reddit. You sound like a no fap nazi. Lighten up Francis.
asd1100 10y ago
Guitly as charged on the reddit thing. This is my guilty pleasure, this and taylor swift.
But I need to contradict you on the no fap thing. I am a indulgence nazi- I will cut trough your bullshit with a chainsaw. Everyone is a victim of their circumstance if you choose to detach responsibility from actions and allow people to be purposeless amoebas just floawing around waiting for the next environmental trigger they can bitch about and use to self indulge and then jerk of their ego with a self pity narrative about how powerless they are.
Ayoung4u 10y ago
I can tell you haven't had your line of coke in a while.
asd1100 10y ago
3 years clean. No, program, no support groups, just pure daily will.
Ayoung4u 10y ago
Never gone farther than bud, never will. Even then, I don't like impairing my control over my body with any substance.
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Ayoung4u 10y ago
It's an upper, I'm referring to weed and alcohol.