May I ask you all a question? First of all I'm kinda new to this subreddit so if you think this question is stupid feel free to downvote it. I'm a 5'3 midget. I am 25 years old and a virgin. I have never kissed a girl, never even gone on a date with a girl. No woman has even agreed to go out with me. When I ask them out, they stare at me like a piece of shit. I know i should be posting in r/foreveralone, but I really want to improve my game. So, can this subreddit help me out when I am so goddammit short?
tl;dr Does a short midget even have any chance?

johnnight 12y ago
this is your problem:
/r/TheRedPill/comments/20qmu0/you_make_me_feel_safe/
read the comment by ashglass. You are supposed to look like you can lift her. Being tall simply correlates with some strength.
your solution is to bulk and start looking mean Dark Triad. You know, shave head, tattoos, bike and stuff. Bulk comes first.
seever 12y ago
what panzergling said is correct. here are some books that will help you:
after these books (after you applying them of course) you will be a much more attractive and confident man.
BellatorCordis 12y ago
There's totally hope for you to live a bad-ass life. As long as you look at the source of your issues as being with women, you're fucked. As soon as you look at your lifestyle and decide to make every day about improving every aspect of it, little by little, piece by piece, you can do anything you want. Find a hobby you love, pursue a career in a field that is lucrative and interesting, hit the gym...
Do you think Peter Dinklage feels sorry for himself, or just does his best to be awesome? Warwick Davis? If they can be swimming in female attention (and no doubt they are), there's no reason at all that you can't at least get some action too. Your road may be more challenging than other people's, but there's a road at least, eh?
SpecialFester 12y ago
No doubt, being short can be a colossal disadvantage. I'm 5'5" and I hate it, but I know that height alone isn't the deal-breaker that women "say" it is. Think for instance of someone who's short, but is also a MMA fighter for instance (since there are many), would this man have any difficulty pulling girls? No, because he's still very masculine, and aggressive, and strong, and confident, and has status etc.
If your height is really getting to you, one thing I would suggest is a pair of height increasing shoes. I got a pair this year that make me 2 inches taller and you would never know the difference. They are actually just white sneakers and really cool shoes in general. They were supposed to make me 3.2 inches taller, and it's definitely more like 2.25 inches, but still I'm pretty happy with them. I wish I would've gone for the 5" ones, but I was nervous they would be too obvious or something.
Anyways, for guys like us who are really short, an extra 2 or 3 inches can make a world of difference, as only we would understand. Also, there is the added confidence etc. They work well for going to the club etc. where people don't know you. Your friends might notice if all of a sudden you are 4 inches taller lol, but to be honest no one noticed with me until I pointed it out to them.
The shoes aren't necessary, there are lots of guys who are short who are still total players, but I understand how it feels. Girls on OkCupid for instance have no gripes about having a hard limit for height. "No guys under 5'10" etc." But if a man had a similar requirement "I won't date any girl that can't fill at least a C cup" he would be considered a pig.
Message me if you need anything. I take your situation very seriously and have a lot of compassion and empathy for you. It's not as bad as you make it out to be though. If you can get to a point where you don't personalize rejections and can just approach girls left and right you are going to get a lot that sticks. It can be tough though, especially if you've internalized the attitude that there's "something wrong with you" or that you're "unlikeable" because of your shortness, because that really holds you back. Keep at it man. I don't know if you're white or asian or what. There's a lot you can do though. A short guy who's obviously ripped is also a whole different story. There's a lot you can do, it's not hopeless at all, far from it. But if your 25 years old and a virgin there is probably a big mental block holding you back as well, understandably so. I'd recommend a counselor as well, to try to tackle that. It's a very multi-faceted problem but there IS a lot you can do, it's not hopeless.
Lightning14 12y ago
Do you have a link to the shoes you purchased? I'm 5'4" myself, so I'm curious.
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wishIcared 12y ago
I'd get rich and fuck escorts non-stop. Escorts are a little smarter than your average women and actually ask for money upfront, but its all the same.
SpecialFester 12y ago
They're all prostitutes. Women trade sex for resources. Whether it's a few drinks and some compliments, or a ring and a lifetime promise to give all your love and affection to only them, all women get something in exchange for sex. With escorts the arrangement is just more explicit.
flatox 12y ago
Well, you have yet to understand the red pill i see.
But in short; yes.
But women is not the goal of TRP, it is a consequence. It just comes along with it.
Lightning14 12y ago
Hey dude, I know how you feel. I am 5'4", and spent my first 21+ years a lonely virgin, with just a few lone drunk makeouts. I never felt attractive, and it was clear women were not attracted to me. Between 21 and 25 I had sex with a total of 4 women (none of them higher than a 6), and only 1 of them was not a drunken one night stand in college party town (she was a virgin before me and I managed to keep her for over a year). I was total BluePill though, and derived all of my self-worth through her, and inevitably pushed here away with my neediness.
After reading "The Game" a few years ago. The magic tricks and canned lines were not what impressed me, but how Neil really transformed himself. It inspired me to begin my foray into self-development. I realized so much of what I thought I couldn't do in life was just self-limiting beliefs. I read books like Models, How to Win Friends and Influence People, No More Mr. Nice Guy, Zen and the Art of Happiness, etc. I started learning how to flirt with women (a lot of negging/cocky teasing), dress better, eat healthier, and workout consistently.
Eventually I reached a point where I was more happy as a single man than I ever was, even during my relationship. I know I can attract women, and I still do get some ego satisfaction out of it, but I no longer crave the attention of women to derive my self-worth. I have goals and interests outside of women, and any woman is only another interest alongside many others, and finding THE woman is just a goal alongside many others.
Your confidence, the way you act, the way you dress, your own limiting beliefs are what are turning women away more than anything. You are capable of great things and attracting beautiful women, but it takes time and you have to be willing to invest in yourself before you can expect anyone else to. How can you expect others to be attracted to you if you are not attracted to yourself?
Now, I am not going to lie to you, being as short as we are definitely makes it more difficult, and can result in some women straight up not even giving you a chance. But the greater the struggle, the greater the satisfaction right? So, here is my advice to you: find a workout routine to give you muscle definition and good posture (if will make you look more confident and taller), and stick with it. Wear clothes that fit well (if you're anything like I was you probably have a lot of oversized shirts). Develop a life of abundance with goals, hobbies, passions. Women sense neediness and are repelled by it. When you show desire though, from a position of abundance, it generates attraction. Mark Manson talks about that a lot in his book Models. I highly recommend you check it out, in addition to the "Beyond the Game" posts by /u/tofutofu on /r/seduction on how to get dates and escalate. Most of that subreddit is garbage now, but his posts I found extremely useful. Good luck on your journey man. It's not always straight, there are bumps in the road, but life is a journey, so enjoy it (don't over-stress about it).
edit: Wow, that was long. One more thing. I like to think of attraction like sports. If you are nervous and don't want to take the shot or think you'll miss, or if you don't want the ball hit to you, your chances of success are far lower than if you are confident and aggressive. When you WANT the ball passed to you because you're confident you will make the shot, or when you WANT the ball hit to you because you are confident you will make the play your chances of success go WAY up. If you are thinking "she probably won't give me a chance because I'm too short, but I'll ask anyway" you are not going to have success. Confidence is key, not just with women, but in all things in life. Build your life and confidence and you will find success, and build of successes and your confidence will grow.
TL;DR: Get fit, wear clothes that fit well, have goals, hobbies, interests, be interesting, and BE CONFIDENT.
kick6 12y ago
Not as long as you keep mentioning your virginity, your kisslessness, or your height, no. If you put up all those things as barriers for yourself, girls are going to smell your insecurity like a wet fart. You have to live in the positive.
Stop making pussy the goal. You're already pedestalizing women by this very approach. Instead, make a badass you the goal. Find a hobby where your height is at worst, not a disadvantage, and at best an advantage. Weight class sports come to mind or even something like sportbike racing. The best racers in the world are your size, and their low weight gives them a performance advantage.
Once you get to a point where you're a 5'3" badass of baddasitude instead of a 5'3" midget of virginity and kisslessness (ergo, not until you conquer either of these things, but when you stop recognizing as these things) then you can go chase skirt, and expect to meet with success.
sushisection 12y ago
Jiu jitsu would be great for OP. Try it out!
heist_of_saint_graft 12y ago
QFT. I don't go introducing myself as "a guy who has never made a million dollars or climbed Mount Everest," although both of those things are true. It's because I don't recognize those non-realities as having anything to do with my definition and valuation of Self.
panzergling 12y ago
Don't call it game. You're 25 and a virgin.
Stop.
To make another Matrix reference, there's a point where Neo asks Morpheus "So you're saying I can dodge bullets?" Morpheus replies, "By the time you're ready, you won't have to."
You're basically coming here asking, "So you're saying I can get a girl to sleep with me?"
If you actually knew what trp is, you'd know that it is, at its core, self-improvement and finding intrinsic value. That's what truly attracts women. By the time you're ready, you won't have to.
You very, very, very obviously have self-esteem issues. Focus on making male friends and build a support system. Don't try to hang out with people you like being around, try to hang out with people you want to be like.
Self-improvement never ends though. Don't go start working out and socializing then lock back into old loser habits as soon as you get a girlfriend because the first thing that will happen is she will leave you.
Being short is irrelevant though. Knock off that self-doubting shit. My girlfriend is 5 feet tall. You're taller than her. They're out there and they like muscles.
FuriousMouse 12y ago
Your height has absolutely nothing to do with it Carlos Xuma is only 5"10.
Moh7 12y ago
This this this.
I was 5'3 until I had a really late growth spurt and women were never a problem for me because I had so much confidence in myself.
Confidence is the key to raising that self esteem and with some self esteem and confidence talking to women is a lot easier.
The only thing I would say different though is there's nothing wrong with hanging out with the people you like being around. You can keep a good balance.
panzergling 12y ago
For clarity, I don't mean drop any friends that you have now. I was referring to support system "friends" he acquires while trying to improve. Just because Tom is a consistent gym partner/mentor, doesn't mean you should invite him to your niece's bat mitzvah.
[deleted] 12y ago
My cuzin is 5'4 and pulls like mad because he has his other things locked down. Go to the gym, eat well, read up on game and go for girls shorter than you. This isn't rocket science.
key402 12y ago
I'm 5'6, and I used to deal with the same shit. The first thing is, you need to be going to the gym, just make it your goal to get as big as possible. You'd be surprised at how much better you feel after working out. You also need dress well. Lots of short guys I see don't have clothes that fit properly. I tend to buy a lot of clothes online from certain Asian stores, because they tend to run small and slim. You should also get your clothes tailored if anything feels too big. Make sure you are constantly well groomed, just keep your hair short and clean. Your skin should also look good, so get to a dermatologist to get that sorted out if needed.
Obviously there are many other factors to address. You should find some hobbies to meet other guys to hang out with. Appearance is 90% of the game though, so I honestly believe you need to get that sorted out before anything else. You need to look good and feel good about yourself, if you manage to do that, everything else should fall into place.
hringmisual 12y ago
http://www.goodlookingloser.com/2013/11/16/short-guy-gets-laid/
Also, 30 days of discipline
animalpoo 12y ago
Confidence is quiet, insecurities are loud.
I use to be insecure about my skin, I use to spend hours a day looking at my skin in the mirror with extreme detail (I was Harsh on myself ). I had bad acne scars it got me down for ages. I would always wonder when talking to people "are they looking at my skin", "I won't talk to her, Incase she notices my skin" I was loud.
I was stuck in a negative feedback loop and had to break out. I focused on improving parts of my life , going the gym, playing rugby, Muay-Thai, improving my grades, getting a job , taking an interest in others . I developed as a person and everything started to fall into place .
Something happened , I stopped looking in the mirror (I can't pin point this , it just happened) I stopped worrying about what other people thought, and even if I did I replaced it with "fuck them , if they don't like me it doesn't matter as i'm better than them and have a lot more going for me than them". I was quiet.
The point of this is, if you see yourself talking , thinking about your height, you're being loud . You can't change your height,I can't change my skin. I learned to love myself by improving other areas of my life , find something you're good at and use that to gain your confidence. Life is easier when you're quiet, besides other people have it way to easy for my liking, we're just playing in hard mode.
The_Turbinator 12y ago
Exactly 3 years ago I was at exactly the same point you are at now. Same age and everything, no girl, no kiss, rock bottom self esteem. I literaly thought it would go on like that forever.
Then one day I decided to change that, just like you taking this step. The exact same step. I concentrated on making myself be the best self that I could. Work out, eat right, get a proper job, make new male friends. Basically I "got a life" and created a whole new social circle. It wasn't easy work, it was hard, and many days I doubted myself - then I got up and continued anyways. Because NOTHING in this world worth having comes EASY. Nothing. I kept saying that to myself, constantly repeating it when i was down.
In the process of doing this and out of the blue, out of literally nowhere I found myself in the moment and was kissing a girl. One day later, another one. Two months later, first time sex with a completely different one. Two years later I lost count.
When you are ready... you wont go looking for them. They will look for you.
[deleted] 12y ago
Unfortunately at 5'3", which is my height too, you'll have to become pretty badass to get any attention from women. Fortunately once you do that you won't be bothered by the fact that you had to do that. You'll consider yourself fortunate to be forced to become a badass.
SpecialFester 12y ago
That's a good way to look at it.
The height is a blessing, because it forced me to become so badass.
Another way I look at it as a blessing, is because getting girls is so much more rewarding for me. The success I feel is so much greater because of this. A man who is 6'4" for instance is unfortunate, because he can never experience what I'm able to. How can one truly feel the type of feeling I am able to, when you don't even have to try? How rewarding can it possibly be to succeed with a girl when it's simply handed to you on a platter?
drqxx 12y ago
Every man has a chance if he so believes it. Make sure you are the best you that you can be. (fit/fashion/confidence) then set some goals (go after something career/adventure/) Don't worry about the NOs. The best guys get told NO all the time.