Hey, guys, I like those naive, submissive girls. Whenever I see them, I can't bring myself to approach them as a possible plate candidate, because they haven't done anything bad. I'm talking about girls who probably never rode a cock carousel. Should I feel guilty about spinning them as a plate?
EDIT: thanks for sharing your perspectives guys, I think I found the mindset I would like to go with. Love ya all.
EDIT: Really nice discussions guys. I just started to get numbers on a consistent basis, (Took me so many trials..) so I dont have any spinning plate yet. I think in deep down, I just feel insecure because I don't have any plates. If I had 3-4 plates, I would have no problem being honesty when girls ask me about the exclusivity, but I'm not there yet. But I understand that if I want to do this, I have to get over this fear now rather than after having several plates. Thanks guys, I think that's my take home message today. Really helpful. :)
jamieoneal82 11y ago
Spinning plates has nothing to do with them being "bad" and everything to do with you having options and not whoring out your commitment to the first nice girl you meet.
Ill_mumble_that 11y ago
AWALT until proven otherwise. Stay away from the dangerous mindset of oneitis and you will seldom be surprised by an exception. No matter how much you think of a girl, she is no different than 99.99% of the other women out there. You can change and control a woman's actions by maintaining frame, but you can never change the underlying nature and instincts of a female. Given the right circumstances, they all behave exactly the same. Like lemmings. When you find a girl you think might be different, just look at the male influence in her life, usually the father. That is where her "difference" is coming from.
I have never met a woman with self-derived self-discipline. They don't exist in the real world. Because they lack self discipline, they are in a constant state of reaction.
PolishDistiller 11y ago
True, its not bad. But I think the main reason is this...
probably... say again...... probably.... You will be surprised who are sluts. That super sweet girl who dresses conservatively and is submissive. Yeah, she has no idea how to say no. I've spun some girls whom surprise me with there counts. So the lesson is:
Spin till you really know, not just 'probably' know who they are.
dave_is_not_here 11y ago
Bingo!
Wheat-Thins 11y ago
It's their choice, you're not corrupting anyone. As long as you're not lying to them about not wanting to be exclusive or commit to them, you have nothing to feel bad about.
If you're really concerned with not misleading them, then just be perfectly honest with what you want before you have sex with them. Say up front "I'm not looking for a relationship right now, I'm into casually dating different people, I'm not looking for an exclusive relationship".
robesta 11y ago
You don't owe them anything. They are grownups making their own decisions. Be honest (within reason) and let them make their own choices. Stop thinking you owe women anything.
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Look into hedonism.
KoreanBoy1 11y ago
Interesting. I guess as cheesy as it sounds, YOLO.
[deleted] 11y ago
Right. You only have one life. Enjoy it.
648262 11y ago
They are having a good time with me.
FinnianWhitefir 11y ago
The only reason to think this is to think that sex is bad, that they can't make their own choices, and that they would feel misled.
Some girls love having sex, some would want to have it with you without being in a relationship, and many would finish that phase of their life claiming they were happy during it.
You are inserting into them your feelings that they shouldn't have sex, or shouldn't want to sleep with you. You should not do that and should worry that it's a low self-esteem sign.
One of the mantras of TRP should be "If she is willing to fuck you while you are being completely honest, why would you say no?"
xxTin 11y ago
Be honest and don't insinuate her about being exclusive or the possibility of being one.
It's immoral, in a sense that you wouldn't want your daughter to be in that position.
asd1100 11y ago
I think you are confusing your kink with your game.
Plate spinning is just casual sex between 2 consenting adults.
Why would you feel guilty if you are doing what she wants you to?
Unless she is mentally retarded you aren't doing anything wrong.
Also keep in mind that "naive" "submisive" and "inocent" are only persona attributes, that is their game, they still know game they are still women. Stop projecting and keep the fantasy in the bedroom, that is how you get played.
KoreanBoy1 11y ago
But its under the assumption that you are being honest with her.. right?
asd1100 11y ago
About what? Women tend to notice when you're fucking them.
rattamahatta 11y ago
By being upfront and honest. Always.
drqxx 11y ago
I dont care....
Its a fake it until you make it situation.
KoreanBoy1 11y ago
Absolutely. I realize that now.
friestogo 11y ago
If you like them and would feel guilty about spinning them then why not enter into an exclusive relationship?
KoreanBoy1 11y ago
Because, she is not the only girl I like. I would like to have sex with several women at the same time.
LibertarianLibertine 11y ago
Just be honest with her, being RP doesn't mean you go around crushing women emotionally. Do it properly, and they'll look back with a smile.
friestogo 11y ago
Fair enough. I can understand the guilt. The only way to bypass that is by being upfront about not wanting a relationship.
CrimsonCapsule 11y ago
I honestly don't know.
I want to have sex. A lot of it, with a wide variety of women. My biology wants it, which makes me want it.
When I meet a nice girl who hasn't yet been made cynical and hard by the cock carousel, I wonder if it's the right thing to do, to be the one helping to send her down that path. When I meet one that has already had some experience, I wonder if putting up with her neuroses and cynicism are worth getting laid.
The one thing about swallowing the pill — you can't cough it back up. You see it everywhere, once you've got it. It puts you in the driver's seat, makes you understand the mechanics of gender dynamics. But what it can't do is tell you how to use that information.
Best I can think is that your morality, your sense of right and wrong, is a big part of your frame. If you don't feel comfortable spinning plates, or a certain type of girl, you shouldn't. Draw your boundaries and abide by them.
But someone else likely won't give a shit. And they might not give as much of a fuck about what the fallout of their actions is going to be.
lonGterMgoalS 11y ago
Absolutely right. This conundrum is only exclusive to TRP.
I was "RP" before knowing this place existed and I never worried about shit like this. Ever. A few times I'd feel a little bad if I knew a girl wanted more and I didn't shut it down sooner but even then I didn't feel bad enough to lose sleep. It was a quick thought and that's it.
El_Shakiel 11y ago
This. Jesus. So much THIS. I think somehow TRP (or my own take of it, of course) has made me cynical and bored. When a girl is shit testing me, I notice it and I get bored (like, real bored, not pissed off). When a girl tries to put her shit on me, that bores me. I mean, if had sex in past 3 days, I am not even willing to put up with it. I just next every damn bitch that's on the fucking carousel. ...untill my balls call for a fight, obviously.
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El_Shakiel 11y ago
Why is that ?
Pentdad 11y ago
he just means its a reddit staple and it's cringingly overused. It's like saying 'thanks for the gold kind sir' or mentioning about the narwal bacconing.
sniperhiding 11y ago
Hold on a second. Think about what you are saying. You are implying that she has no agency here. That because she is naive, she couldn't possibly make her own decision. That she is some special snowflake that needs to be protected. That if she does become a plate, it's something that YOU did to her through some voodoo magic shit, a.k.a. manipulation.
No. She is an adult, making her own decisions. Let her make them, whether good or bad for her long-term best interests. It is not of your concern.
Just make sure you are upfront about being non-committal, and not looking for anything serious. (BTW being upfront about not being interested in serious LTR isn't BECAUSE it's the "right", "moral" thing to do, but actually to just reinforce you can't be locked down, thus your value is higher, and helps avoid future drama. It just happens to be the "right" thing to do for a lot of people.)
Read Rollo Tomassi's 6 Plate Theory Posts from Year One.
TheThingsIThink 11y ago
Also, if it helps you, think off all the girls that don't get a change to meet you if you don't talk to them. Shit, if you would fuck you, and I am sure you do, might not they enjoy fucking you too? Your a goddamn commodity. Don't monopolize yourself.
BluepillProfessor 11y ago
You misunderstand. Spinning Plates is nothing more than what used to be called....DATING!!!
You should ONLY feel bad if you are tricking girls into being plates and lying to them about being exclusive with them when you are not. Getting past the 'exclusivity talk' is beyond the scope of this discussion. Go to Rollo's site and read up on Plate Theory.
Also, if you are having sex with these sweet innocent girls who never rode the CC, then you are either the one true love for lots of girls or they are not as innocent as you doth protest.
KoreanBoy1 11y ago
Okay. Side bar articles don't clearly define what plate is. I thought of it as "dating" where you don't have to be honest until she asks about exclusivity.
BluepillProfessor 11y ago
Just to be clear, to be honorable you DO have to be honest.
However, you don't have to blab to her about your other conquests. When she asks say: "Hey, your not my boss, I don't have to report in." The strategy is to deflect and treat it like a shit test. When she asks outright "are we exclusive" you say: "Hold on now, I am not ready to get married yet." Keep it up for as long as possible.
By the time she corners you with the exclusivity demand you are then in a position to fuck her good and then tell her how special she is, and how you can see becoming exclusive with her when you get older, and you don't want to lose her etc blah blah but I love you so much, I want you to be exclusive to me, I promise you are my main girl......
Women would rather share a successful man than be saddled with a faithful loser.
theredpillager 11y ago
You aren't being dishonest by not talking about it. Other than your use of the word honest, you've described it exactly. Spinning plates is having multiple women who may or may not know they are one of many. They should only know they are one of many if they have brought up exclusivity. You have no reason to offer this up, unless your morality requires you to. One of my 4-5 plates (they come and go) has never brought it up, appears to know she is not my only girl, and seems fine with the situation. Others are newer and might yet ask, others are fwbs. Women aren't stupid. If they wanna know, they'll ask.
SFofallplaces 11y ago
There are lies of omission. If she ever lets on she thinks he is exclusive—by how she speaks to him, body language, explicitly talking about it, whatever—to her, he must be honest. Nice, but honest, if he is to be an honest man. And a dishonest man is no man.
theredpillager 11y ago
He definitely doesn't have to, unlike what you suggest. Whether he's just a liar or full dark triad. You can state your opinion all you want, but trp is open to all men, good or bad, and the fact that it can be applied either way has been discussed plenty.
With the exception of that "must" line and your preaching, you didn't say anything that contradicts what I said. He mustn't do anything he doesn't want to do, and it's not for you to police/dictate anyone else's behavior. This is borderline thinly-veiled white knighting. Thanks for sharing your opinion though.
SFofallplaces 11y ago
Allow this small parallel, please.
Guns, too, are amoral, neutral tools open to all men, and I would humbly recommending he don’t go and spray bullets into a crowd. Why? Here’s why. I know about guns. And outside of that knowledge of shooting, how to hold it, how to stand, I bring with it—separately, and on top of that—a morality, the morality to know that it’s wrong to murder. So I don’t do it. I wield my instrument in a moral way.
Yes, TRP is a neutral, amoral instrument. TRP is the tool. Don’t use the tool in a way that makes you a scumbag. (Cheat sheet: lying makes you a scumbag). To me. To a woman. Don’t do it.
So, if it’s all the same, I would also suggest that he, and all of us, exercises some FUCKING MORALITY and, you know, be upfront and honest. You know who lie to get what they want? Beta. You know who doesn’t? Me.
And before you come back with “your morality isn’t the same as his”. Bullshit. This shit is universal. If you need someone to tell you that you shouldn’t lie, to steal, and all that shit, then your mother didn’t raise you right.
TL;DR: TRP is amoral. Wonderful. So, YOU exhibit the morals.
theredpillager 11y ago
Nope. Have you paid attention to the posts about how bad black/white thinking is to trp and, well, everything in general? Rollo calls it the worst and most important habit to stay away from in his AMA. Things are not black and white. Everything is grey, everything is on a spectrum, and your comparison of murder to lying is laughable. Lying and murder are not the same thing, and not offering up every little piece of information at the earliest possible chance (what you refer to as lying by omission, a concept I reject), which is not the same as lying, is even further away on said spectrum. This isn't even veiled white knighting anymore. It just plain is. (You're also putting the pussy on a pedestal and projecting your belief system onto all women, who, if you read this blog thoroughly, you would realize are fairly morally corrupt.)
For the record, honesty is the pillar on which I was raised. This does not require me to tell a new girl on the first date "by the way, I'm regularly fucking four other women." The modern dating scene assumes hook up culture, it assumes people are playing the field, and it assumes women and men alike are doing this. You have feminism to thank for this. I suggest you get off your high horse and adapt to the modern dating paradigm.
P.S. You've really got it twisted. Betas don't lie. Betas are pussies who bend over and take it from women. Immoral dark triad types lie to get what they want.
TheThingsIThink 11y ago
You may not have considered it, but you could be a plate to her. She has options to explore to. And you never know, that cute little think could be a total Juno.
dave_is_not_here 11y ago
These girls are all married. They are incredibly rare and rarely make it to 21 without getting married. The women you are looking at and describing here most certainly have ridden the cock carousel.
See, you're obviously still pretty new to this (your edits confirm this).Women that come across as openly submissive and naive usually aren't; it's a manipulation tactic used by the smartest, most conniving women. I know this because my mother was an absolute expert at it; it was astonishing watching her go from a shrewd CPA to a clueless, stupid single mother to trick men, usually salesmen or somebody in a similar position, into providing her with special treatment. I watched her buy a brand new car at dealer cost using that technique. Always remember that, deep down, AWALT. If a girl appears on first blush to be a submissive, conservative angel it's probably an act meant to take advantage of the way most men respond to such women (helpfully).
Furthermore, if you're not informing your plates that things aren't exclusive that's your own moral issue.
alreadyredschool 11y ago
Corrupting the innocent should not be of your concern. It is not your job to make sure that their decisions are good, it is your job to make the right decisions for you, and it is their job to make the right decisions for them. You make your decisions, they make theirs. Give less fucks about it and let them enjoy it.
Fishy_the_salty 10y ago
♂
Awesome, that stuff about corrupting the innocent could become a wonderful quote.
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KoreanBoy1 11y ago
I like this answer. Sooner or later someone will corrupt them anyway.
alreadyredschool 11y ago
If you like it give it a mars point.
Anyways, even if she will be corrupted, she will enjoy the time with you.
KoreanBoy1 11y ago
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That's true. I have been beating myself for corrupting this girl, but I'm okay about it now.
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retsage 11y ago
Girls want to fuck assertive men. You're giving them exactly what they want, deep in their loins. This entire worry seems predicated on the idea that only men enjoy sex and that, for women, sex is manipulation to get relationships. While girls can use sex in such a manner, they don't always - there are some guys they just want to fuck for the sake of it (hence one night stands).
Do they also want to discover that, deep down, the alpha they just spread their legs for has a heart of gold, and will be their prince charming? Sure. But just because they want a relationship with you doesn't mean you morally owe them one.
You can have fun with girls and make their days wonderful without giving them everything they want. If I eat ice cream right now, it may not be the full dinner I want, but I'll certainly enjoy it for what it is. Being the kind of guy who makes girls wet means you've already given them what they want, even if it's not everything they want.
Girls love good sex and the cads who provide it. As long as you're not promising them more, you're literally giving them fun experiences and joy. Not really sure what the moral quandary is.
mudra311 11y ago
If you don't, someone else will. Use it as an opportunity to teach her some red pill truths.
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El_Shakiel 11y ago
I think what OP is trying to say is that he feels bad for being the one to actually put them in the carousel.
lonGterMgoalS 11y ago
He isn't putting them on the carousel. She's getting on the ride because she wants to.