I know TRP was created out of /r/seduction but what exactly where the factors of the division? Did trp want to have a more overall explanation to human dynamics rather than just discussing how to pick up chicks?
Dzuari
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oldredder 10y ago
There really is no division except /r/seduction will have lower quality information while subreddit 'theredpill' will not address actual red pill subjects outside of pickup, diet & lifting even though that's like 2% of the actual full red pill which actually includes legal jurisdictions, finance, jobs, immigration, war, the works.
CopperFox3c 10y ago
Are you asking about this sub-reddit specifically, or the TRP philosophy/movement in general?
TRP originally grew out of many of the early PUA communities (e.g. SoSauve, which has been around since the late 1990's). The PUAs were the first to notice inherent patterns in modern female behavior, which they utilized of course to maximize their pickup success.
As time went on, some people realized that these inherent patterns ran deeper, and were systemic of both human biology/instincts, as well as modern feminization/emasculation of society. They went beyond simply trying to game the status quo, went deeper down the rabbit hole. The question wasn't simply "what patterns exist and how do I take advantage of them", but moreso the why and philosophy behind it. How changes in gender dynamics over the last century combined with these instinctive patterns of female human behavior were affecting our society at large, producing societal inequities that negatively affect men. And how generations of men are being misled about what being a "man" is about. Put yourself second, pedestalize women, white knight them, etc. And what do they get in return? Denigrated for their masculinity. Denigrated for their male sexuality.
And thus TRP was born.
Out of that grew other concurrent splinter philosophies, things like MGTOW, which are still TRP but with a slightly different take on things. Things that I refer to as the "manosphere" more broadly, and includes MRA which predates TRP of course. It's also important to note that many of the blogs, like Rollo's Rational Male and Return of Kings and some of the early stuff on this subreddit, embodied what I call "game theory", which provided a critical theoretical link between the early PUA communities and TRP theory.
JaxSwagger 10y ago
Another thing I'm not seeing noticed yet is that PUA back in the day was very shallow. All the shills were in your ear all the time about how looks didn't matter, about how status, money and social skills didn't matter and how if you learned to "game" effectively you didn't need these things. Cue countless frustrated incels running game 3 nights a week and not getting anywhere (of which I was one, years and years ago). In my mind pook over at sosuave was the first I heard of who spoke from a RP frame: "work on yourself, game is just a means to teach you to be a man etc etc etc", but I know Rollo was active there aswell. It was a paradigm shift more than a single defining event.
At the end of the day, you're always going to get the people who need to know "why", not just "what". TRP is a product of these minds collaborating since the early PUA days.
oldredder 10y ago
THIS place is still about "looks don't matter" except what you can change with lifting. When you address how the HUGE advantage of a hot face for good genetics factors in the men here FREAK out and downvote it to hell because you can't change it.
Well too fucking bad. Some men have better genes and most of those men will pick up more than every other man. period.
JaxSwagger 10y ago
I've not experienced that, though I can imagine it happening if someone framed it as "Looks are all that matters" or "Ky for being ugly".
Red Pill has always acknowledged that looks play a large part in attraction as far as I remember, just not the only or even the most important. I mean, LMS is the go to for SMV evaluation.
http://www.rooshv.com/you-have-no-idea-how-easy-it-is-for-good-looking-men
Maybe you've experienced PUA guys that are unplugging? Dunno really.
CopperFox3c 10y ago
In my mind, the Book of Pook that came out of SoSuave is one of the earliest tenets of "game theory", and thus one of the antecedents that led to TRP. Really, it should be required reading for any red piller.
JaxSwagger 10y ago
It's not just the substance either, but the style, it's such a fantastic read. A little outdated in RP vernacular but still one of the best works.
I remember reading it long before I "unplugged", and when I stumbled on this place it was a real "aha" moment, like pook theory had undergone multiple generations of evolution while I wasn't looking.
alreadyredschool 10y ago
Seddit was full with women (bad advice) and people who pointed out when you wrote something politically incorrect and all advice essentially was feel good bullshit. People needed something hard and unforgiving, something that just valued success and thus truth no matter how uncomfortable was born.
sealteamaus 10y ago
it wasan evolution, not a revolution, but as I understand it men from all over the world were contributing to various forums and eventually found the "formula" to reconnect to their masculinity, symbolicly named red pill in reference to unplugging from the gynocentric frame of society.
oldredder 10y ago
only about 8 years after the world of finance+war+politics blogs already had coined the term "the red pill" for unplugging from the fraud, organized crime & manipulation in finance, war and politics. This subreddit was late to the game and has little business calling itself "the red pill" by disregarding all of the red pill except for sex, relationships & lifting.
sealteamaus 10y ago
then why support it if you have such an issue? this red pill community is the perfect introduction to the truths of the world as our oppressors are riding on the backs of the female imperative. baby steps bro
oldredder 10y ago
Pulling individuals closer to the total picture is support of the whole red pill - not the subreddit.
sealteamaus 10y ago
what do you think of mark passio
oldredder 10y ago
Never heard of him.
sealteamaus 10y ago
http://youtu.be/ASUHN3gNxWo
dandeezy 10y ago
Cutting our umbilical cord to the vagina, turn around and stick our cocks in it. Lol
With all seriousness, good question. I didn't know how trp started either.
ionlyuseredditatwork 10y ago
Redpillschool's recent post nails this topic
balalasaurus 10y ago
Of course its about human dynamics. This is exactly why we get a bad rap: because people all think that what we do here is just cooking up sinister plots to control womynz. That's why you should read the fucking sidebar. There's a lot of information there about women and relationships, but there's also a lot of information that puts you on the path to self-betterment which is the core tenet of TRP philosophy.
Dzuari 10y ago
I'm not questioning what TRP is? I'm just asking what set in motion for the people to found TRP, I'm asking for the genesis of TRP.
balalasaurus 10y ago
As for the actual genesis point, who can say. But the fact that TRP is about human dynamics is exactly indicative of the fact that it started from the desire to better understand said dynamics. The manoshpere and its foundations were more substantial than those of seddit and PUA.