I got into a pseudo-argument with my LTR last night about why she shouldn't ever cut her hair short. I crushed her silly little shit test of her trying to act upset that I would dump her if she ever did it. I laid it out flat- I would leave her if she cut off her hair. Afterwards, while she was pouting I put away my laundry from drill, and was still cheerful and happy, where BP me would have said something like "baby I'm sorry, I would still love you if you cut off all your hair blah blah". After I was finished, she cuddled up to me and we watched a movie and fucked during, which is how I know I passed her test.
But I don't understand why this is such a big shit test that women use. Can someone please explain? All I know is that I would not find her attractive if her hair was anywhere above her shoulders. This is regarded as a big shit test from women that seems unpassable. She can get it trimmed, with natural colors, etc and that's fine with me. But if she just showed up with a pixie cut I would kick her out, as other RP guys would do the same.
Any ideas here guys?
[deleted] 10y ago
My favorite go-to on this is some variation of "do what you want to do, but if it looks retarded I'll probably dump you." Generally she will get the subtext, because I'm pretty open about how I think pixie cuts look dumb on most girls.
The key is to adopt a "take it or leave it" attitude. It sounds like you're pretty much on the ball; if a chick you're in a relationship with just showed up with a pixie cut one day, that's a godzilla sized shit test to which the only feasible answer is NEXTing her. The obvious subtext there is "I didn't give a shit if this look is attractive to you or not, so I did it without your input." Obviously she's free to do that, but I'd never want to date a girl who has such a casual disregard for looking attractive to me. Dropped.
VasiliyZaitzev 10y ago
I would be amazed if she actually did it, but if she did, especially without consulting you, or in defiance of your wishes, then Dump.Her.Ass.Fast.
One of my plates has spent the last several months growing her hair longer (from just below shoulder blades down to her ass) because she (a) knows that I like it and (b) understands that hair is 50% of a woman's beauty.
Long hair demonstrates youth, beauty, fertility, good health and a good immune system and basically says, "Hey, studly guy over there! I'm the woman you want to pump your excellent genes into and breed b/c I have youth, beauty, fertility, good health and a good immune system!"
That's just the subtext of course. All we know is that we like to run our fingers through it and rub our balls with it.
becoming_pertinax 10y ago
Long hair is feminine, short hair is masculine. Or in our culture, at least; I won't argue about other cultures and times or about what constitutes "short" and "long".
Don't believe me? Almost every girl I've ever known, in the months leading up to her wedding, grows out her hair. Why? Same reason she starts dieting and exercising. Because it's beautiful and she knows it.
When a woman cuts her hair short, she is deliberately and suddenly saying "I no longer care to look beautiful and feminine for my husband/LTR." It's the same thing she does when she starts dressing sloppily, stops wearing makeup, and gets fat, only it's more abrupt.
So basically she's asking "How important it is to you, that I still look (and by extension, act) feminine?"
RedCrayonWizard 10y ago
Fuck yes. This. Absolutely this. She would be saying "I don't care about what I look like to you anymore, you're not going anywhere."
I'm willing to prove her wrong, and passed the shit test. Bingo.
spoetnick 10y ago
When my girl gives me any 'i'm cutting my hair short' bullshit I just A&A, "Get my haircut. We'll both be manly man!".
She knows I like long hair. She likes her long hair. I know she wont cut it so any remarks about it are tests by default. I can ignore it, laugh at it, make it a joke, it doesn't matter. The only thing I can do to lose this test is to take it seriously. In order for me to even think about taking it seriously would be in a situation where she got some practical use out of cutting her hair short.
If that ever came up, I would be inclined to tell her I wouldn't like it, but I can't stop her from doing what she wants. Just like she couldn't stop me from perusing chicks with long hair.
Anyway, I think it's more a comfort test than a shit test, and the general idea behind a test like this is whether or not you would still stay with her, even if she deliberately decreased her SMV drastically.
Johnny10toes 10y ago
For around 8 months my wife has said that she was going to cut her hair. "Oh baby I prefer you with long hair." and I got all kinds of shit tests from this and how "You won't let me get my hair cut." which I never refused her doing it at all. I am balding and decided to be bald. I mentioned it to her that I was going to shave my head. "No! You can't!" I did. She went that weekend and cut her hair.
I think they do it because they are comfortable. "It's easier..." which can be translated as. "I don't have to keep myself up because you're not going anywhere."
I am finally starting to get fit. I'm lifting, dieting and running. In 6 months I'm going to look very good at my age and she's going to have to up her game. I think that if I'd have been in shape 3 months ago she'd have never got it cut.
trphardmode 10y ago
Lol, sounds like you need a plate.
Johnny10toes 10y ago
Yeah. It's an 18 year marriage so there is that. Plus like I said in 6 months I'm going to be looking pretty good. My dread worked pretty well for a while but then she got complacent in it. I've been RP go for a year and a half but only worked on the head side of things. Now that I'm doing the other side she's noticing it and squirming a bit. It's going to be funny when I get in shape and she sees girls eyeing me. They do now but not when she's around for some reason.
Im_not_lonely 10y ago
I kind of dig short hair? So I am confused, how does her hair affect me? Unless its a purple undercut mohhawk who cares right?
TheInkerman 10y ago
As /u/Apanthropos mentioned, this wasn't really to do with the actual length of her hair.
Liking short hair from a physical standpoint is fine, but it comes with the warning that short haired girls are more likely to be 'strong independent womyn' and have (to a greater or lesser extent) the associated problems, like increased shit-tests. On some level it is a rejection of their femininity, and it's been shown that men prefer women with longer hair.
I would also (hesitantly) posit that women with shorter hair are likely to have a higher number of sexual partners, although I haven't seen data on that.
speed3_freak 10y ago
This is the whole correlation vs causation and conformation bias. The desire to have short hair doesn't mean that you are a feminist, but being a feminist probably means that you are going to have short hair (rebelling against the establishment). A chick with short hair should be a warning sign, not a stop sign. OP's GF isn't going to change who she is if she gets a haircut, but like you said, this is about a shit test. If it was a girl I was dating, it wouldn't be a shit test because I like chicks with short hair.
There is a big difference between this and this
JackGoldsteinWrites 10y ago
Forest/trees. Its not about short hair per sé, it's about antagonizing you to see if you will put your foot down. In your case the test might be to let the hair get long, wild and unruly.
My girl is as close to a unicorn as possible - and she still tests me. I don't get the hair test, the no-sex test, the guy friends test. I get the "you're not sensitive enough". My response "We can`t both be the woman."
Bronze_Bound 10y ago
I get the "you don't open up to me enough" test. I just don't say anything
deville05 10y ago
Well ive met a lot of guys who wont let their girlfriend or wives cut their hair. Its quite common in my country. I dont know why cuz frankly I find short hair attractive. N also there was an article on return of kings earlier this year saying that "short haired chicks are damaged". So im guessing this hair issue is deeper
trphardmode 10y ago
Short hair is unfeminine, some guys like it but most don't. Self respecting men won't let their LTRs dress up in any sort of fetish gear for a fetish that they don't have. If the guy has a short hair fetish it's fine. A girl's appearance is meant to attract men, if it isn't for attracting you it is for attracting someone else.
Jatayu- 10y ago
Holy shit that is some wisdom right there.
deville05 10y ago
Yeah no.. I dont think its unfeminine. There is nothing unfeminine about a women with short hair just like there is nothing feminine about a guy with long hair. The rest of your poin I do agree with. We each like what we like
trphardmode 10y ago
Realize that while this may be true from your perspective, as far as normal human brain wiring goes, the vast majority of people disagree with you (a cursory look at google is enough to confirm that our culture links long hair to femininity). And subjectivity aside, from a physiological standpoint higher levels of testosterone increase the occurence of baldness, so humans have evolved seeing the most masculine men statistically having the least hair on their heads.
RPmatrix 10y ago
IMO it's not so much "short hair is unfeminine" as the fact that long hair has for so long been associated with femininity and female beauty that it's "opposite" can appear to be anathema to those whose make this association (usually subconsciously) and it usually also fits in with their personal views on 'what makes a beautiful woman'
An argument, which btw, has gone on for many millenia amongst men and been the death of many and the cause of wars, and IMO is best answered "beauty is in the eye of the beholder' and left at that (before the pillaging and bloodshed begin!)
brandor77 10y ago
Well, shit. Am I the only one around here that thinks short hair can be sexy when done right?
full_package 10y ago
You just can't take shit like that seriously.
"I'd throw your meth-snorting bum ass to the curb", - Sly grin.
"You'll look like my 2nd grade teacher I hated".
"Awesome, I hope the next thing you'll tell me you're into chicks, and we're having a threesome".
FG_SF 10y ago
How sly should the grin be? Just trying to get a baseline. Thanks
Bronze_Bound 10y ago
a 6.9 on the sly grin scale, 10 being the joker and 0 being Stephen hawking.
100_percent_trigger 10y ago
About a 7.57 / 10, certainly no more than 7.585
Enzuq 10y ago
i feel like 7.56 / 10 will work better in this situation.
Apanthropos 10y ago
She was testing the cardinal rule of relationships: In any relationship, the person with the most power is the one who needs the other the least.
It is not about the hair cutting. Dont focus on the context of the message. Women are more emotional than that
She was testing how much you mattered to her. She was testing how much you can put up with. If you give her freedom, she will abuse it.
You response is not what she wanted but it is the one she needed to keep the relationship.
RedCrayonWizard 10y ago
This was the response I needed. She even got incredulous when I told her, looking dead in the eye that I would leave : "You don't love me for me!?" I smirked at her.
I don't think she'll do it, but if she does, she's been warned. I've high enough SMV and increasing weekly to do much better, and she knows it - she's been going to the gym regularly now to keep up - but she's been a very good LTR in every RP aspect so it would suck pretty bad if she pulled the trigger on our relationship, but abundance mentality rules all.
VasiliyZaitzev 10y ago
I hope you added, "And I'd dump your ass if you got fat, too."
serious_bs 10y ago
Also, appearances give away what someone is like. So if she got fat/lazy/short hair, the would have no discipline, character, attention whore, pot/old, unfeminine, ..
Perfect arguments for loving someone for 'who they are' rather than 'how they look'.
skoobled 10y ago
A woman cutting her hair short in a LTR means: "I know I've got you now. Maintaining luxurious, beautiful long hair is hard work, and I'm getting old anyway so it's even harder to pull it off. I'm lazy, don't care about what you want, and you've agreed to a monogamous relationship, which means you've handed your balls to me l. Next i stop saying no to that delicious cake, next I stop bothering with the sex"
Ie. Common thin end to a wedge
ChrisBenRoy 10y ago
Am I lost in thinking what's the big deal about her hair anyway?
RedCrayonWizard 10y ago
It's not necessarily about the hair - it's about the fact that she thinks I won't walk away if she drastically drops her SMV on purpose.
Think of it like her saying, "I think I'll gain 15 pounds, I don't want to go to the gym 5x a week."
ChrisBenRoy 10y ago
I guess my point was answered, you don't want her hair to be short, I think it's attractive, or is there some TRP knowledge about hair length I've missed? LOL.
redwormcharlie 10y ago
My girl did it to me once, and I practically disowned her.
London-Bananas 10y ago
Short hair looks ridiculous but it's easy, low maintenance. You're not going anywhere so all that time arranging her long hair is wasted and could be spent playing candy crush instead.
RPAlternate42 10y ago
My wife did this to me, even before RP... I used to be BP... but never fully.
"She said, I think I'm going to cut my hair real short this time."
I said, "no. I like your hair long."
She's brought it up once or twice since over a 6 or 7 year period... but I say the same thing:
"no. I like it long."
NickelzIsMoneyToo 10y ago
Would simply saying "ok" in a emotionless monotone voice work? Basically if or in her all together?
Sn3ipen 10y ago
No. She will think she owns you. Joke it away is better.
Cum_on_doorknob 10y ago
What about a bob? Like Evangeline Lilly in the new Antman movie, I think that looks pretty good.
RPmatrix 10y ago
short hair can really suit some girls, but how short are we talking here, a buzz cut short or a bob?
suburbscout 10y ago
I don't get what the big deal is, this is the silliest shit I've seen on here in a while.
RedCrayonWizard 10y ago
Just something that came up in my LTR and I wanted opinions on how to handle it.
I knew it was a power question and she wanted to see how dependent I am on her. I love her, but I know AWALT and I also don't budge on my opinion of what I like and don't like.
There might have been confusion on whether or not it was shoulder length hair or bob/pixie whatever, but the fact is that she wanted to see if I would really walk away over that or if she could get away with taking some of the power from me in the relationship. I didn't let her, and thus she submitted to me.
BudapestPUA 10y ago
OP doesn't fuck short hair chicks.
Me neither.
suburbscout 10y ago
More for me budabro