Pretty much what the title says. I've read all the side bar stuff and a lot of it does make sense to me, but I think I might not have accepted everything completely yet. Somewhere deep down I feel that maybe all women aren't like that, and there is a "good girl" out there for me. I'm really not sure anymore though.
Anyway, I was testing out how much X affects women's attraction to you by making an account on OkCupid, and changing factors (height, money, job, hobbies, etc.). But that's another story.
Bottom line is there are 3 girls who are currently sending me naked pictures of themselves, because they think I work for a big-shot VIP and I can give them access to him. They all can't wait to meet me tomorrow - I'm meeting one in the morning at 7, one at evening, so on. I am supposed to "verify they are as good as sexually as they say they are" before they get a chance to meet my "boss"...I can't believe it actually worked.
I am a 20 year old virgin...By the way, I am not trolling here at all, and I seriously need some guidance. I never thought I would lose my virginity this way. Through deception. I won't even be able to see these girls again. I'm not even using my real name.
What would you do? I feel like I'm about to do something that I'll feel guilty about for the rest of my life..? Really confused here. I don't even think anything about this is red pill, this deception I mean. I did have to use pretty good text game for them to agree to this, I think. I also did send them body shots of me, and they were happy with them (but I don't even lift..).
TL;DR: Beta virgin lied about SMV to get 3 girls to sleep with him tomorrow. Confused because it is in 12 hours and he doesn't know if this is how he should lose his virginity, and if he will regret this later.
cover20 10y ago
Congrats. Have fun and protect yourself with evidence.
You won't feel guilty about this for a microsecond. I wish I'd done something like this when I was young and clueless, though we didn't have all these apps that give such an opportunity.
Seriously you cannot be interested in such girls for your own LTR, so you don't have to worry about what they think. Maybe you can get 2 or 3 fucks out of one or more of them. Spin them as plates. Once they sleep with you, being female they are bonded to you to some degree. Even if they had a different intention going in.
Imagine this, they'll fuck another guy to get "access" to some big VIP. How materialistic are they?? What are their morals? A good girl would never be in such a position.
So enjoy your position of dominance.
aHangingChad 10y ago
Lesson 1: Fake it till you make it.
You're sitting here telling me that you've faked it and now you're afraid to make it? You've sat down and bluffed at a high stakes poker game and you're afraid to bluff again when the other players are a guaranteed fold?
You've made it this far, don't pussy out now. As long as you know the basic theory and act confident, you've got this in the bag.
Throwawayblue1414 10y ago
Agreed, but the fear wasn't of having sex - but of the memory of having to do this to have it.
That is: I have sex and lose my virginity using deception, while all the other more "alpha" guys did it by working hard, increasing game, lifting, etc.
cover20 10y ago
You will ENJOY how you dominated this situation. You don't like how it is, but this really is how the game is.
I'd say you're more alpha than a lot of other guys. They spend all that time in the gym. You succeeded on a visual medium (Tinder) without any muscles, by thinking! That is true alpha.
favours_of_the_moon 10y ago
Has a woman ever lied to you to get something she wanted?
aHangingChad 10y ago
Everyone starts at the bottom. Chaos is a ladder and shit. For all you know, they're lying to you about any number of different things. Women wear pushup bras and makeup to get men to sleep with them. If that's not deception, I don't know what is. If they're willing to give it up without knowing you, that's their problem.
You're also assuming a lot about Alpha guys. Not everyone loses their virginity by lifting, working hard, being the best looking guy in the room. I'd actually say that only the naturals do it that way. TRP is here for self-improvement and everyone starts somewhere, half of us started at the bottom and another quarter very close to it.
It looks to me like you're afraid of using what you consider to be an unfair advantage, when all the alpha guys will use any advantage they can get. Winners don't fight fair, mate.
Mild111 10y ago
women lie
NeopolitanAfterglow 10y ago
WTF you idiot. Who GIVES A FUCK how other guys popped their cherries? Your way is 10 times more badass than anything I would come up with. Fuck them with great pride!
favours_of_the_moon 10y ago
These bitches know you're a player. They just don't care.
In fact, they care, but not in the way you think. They WANT a player, not someone who is going to fall in love with them. They want consequence free fun. Enjoy!
cover20 10y ago
Well, they want it viscerally. But intellectually the don't want it. So above all, don't "fess up". Play the domination card. You mentally dominate them by deciding what they think and believe.
If they eventually (after sex) start to suspect something, it will be offset by admiration and respect that you succeeded with them. If they find out before sex, it will just lead to disgust, because you will not have succeeded.
Azora 10y ago
You're a virgin, you don't even know how to fuck, and that will be completely and embarrassingly obvious. YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO FUCK.
cover20 10y ago
So gain experience here. If you get 3 fucks out of it, that's 3 fucks of experience. You should get at least that much.
Don't break frame. That's some RP advice. Play the part at least until after sex and the next day.
Throwawayblue1414 10y ago
At least give me some helpful tips then?
vandaalen 10y ago
Don't listen to this asshole. Who gives a shit, what sluts like these do think about your performance?
Forget everything you've ever read about how sex is supposed to be, especially in teen magazines. Just fuck them like you hate them. Gag them with your dick, slap their asses, pull their hair, choke them a little bit, bite them, whatver you want. Don't forget the facial.
Tell them to clean their face and throw them out then.
For future plates read this:
http://www.pdf-archive.com/2014/06/11/daniel-rose-sex-god-method/daniel-rose-sex-god-method.pdf
GC0W30 10y ago
Practice putting the condom on by yourself.
Keep your condoms somewhere they won't be cold when you go to unwrap them.
On edit:
Might want to just make one of them suck your dick and then leave. The experience of getting sexual favors and giving NOTHING back in return is very good for your ego. Just did it last week and it was an AMAZING ego boost.
Azora 10y ago
Do this.
monkeybeast55 10y ago
Of course you should not follow through. Or even meet them. Have some fucking morality. You sound like you know the right thing to do, why are you asking a bunch of internet losers? If you do do it, you'll regret it for the rest of your life. And, by the way, it doesn't matter what the girl's morality is. What matters to you is your own morality.
Throwawayblue1414 10y ago
What does "sexual strategy is amoral" mean? I see it around here sometimes. (genuinely curious and trying to understand if it relates here).
sampson158 10y ago
amoral means something does not involve right vs wrong, for instance in this case sexual strategy, is a psychological science. thus making it a fact vs fiction issue.
(proof) http://www.bradley.edu/dotAsset/165805.pdf
now lying to these three girls on the other hand is an ethical issue. I will say you should tell them the truth and disappear, but you can begin again with honest intentions.
monkeybeast55 10y ago
Right, it's fraud. Has little to do with any morality attached to sex. It's just wrong.
vox_veritas 10y ago
Sexual strategy here is amoral. Take your shaming and moral judgments elsewhere.
monkeybeast55 10y ago
This is not about sexual strategy. It's about fraud. And I'll take my morality wherever the fuck I want.
cover20 10y ago
What would you call the makeup and perfume women wear, or when they shade their n-count, or lots of other "white lies" they tell? You would surely call them sexual strategy.
I think what OP has done is less serious than these. He's not distorting the actual sexual experience these women will have with him.
monkeybeast55 10y ago
There's lots of fine lines in life. But, to assume your argument, a person perpetuating fraud does not justify you perpetuating fraud as a kind of revenge. That's silly and stupid. Also, these women as individuals have nothing to do with women generally, though I know that's counter to the RP philosophy, or, at least, that's my understanding.
What the OP did is make a bald face lie in order to obtain sex. It doesn't matter an iota if the woman deserved it our not. That's not his decision to make. If you think it is, that's a very, very dark road.
Anyway, he claims he did it. (Though, I'm a little suspicious of this whole thread.) I can't imagine having something like that as my first experience. I don't think he did himself any favors.
cover20 10y ago
Heh you can think what you will of it. We just disagree. But "being the better man" is a job I'll leave to you. I am simply a man. And if the battle of the sexes is played a certain way, I would advise any man (or woman) to play by the rules, not better, not worse.
Very very dark. OK whatever.
anoobaccount 10y ago
AWALT, even virgins. I can confirm because I'm dating a girl.whom I took said virginity.
PublicallyViewable 10y ago
On the first date, keep in mind that you have 2 other dates lined up so that you can maintain frame easier. Convince yourself that you have no interest in her because the other 2 are the ones you really want, and don't attempt to set up plans for another date with her at the end or even indicate interest in continuing the relationship. That way you won't come off as desperate, she will be more attracted to you, and even if the date is a total flop or you actually fuck it up, you won't have an overt denial at the end of the first date setting the precedent of your mindset for the following two.
Remain cool and playful. You'll inadvertently pass shit tests just by having a playful mindset. There's no need to feel like you're "gaming" her by doing this, because you're honestly not, nor do you need to.
Take this with a grain of salt because I'm beta as fuck right now too.
I know this isn't what you asked, but it's what I felt like typing. But I don't think you're going to feel guilty about being deceptive as long as you don't continue to be deceptive. Lying about partner count is a white lie, and is harmless. No reasonable person would call you deceptive for not revealing to every stranger that you're a virgin. It's not their business. Just because you aren't being your betafuck self that you normally are around women, doesn't mean that you don't also have an alpha or redpill personality to your side. I actually found that in my relationships with women, that I felt much less deceptive when I was redpill, oddly enough. I didn't have hidden ulterior motives of trying to sleep with her, and it was much more clearly out in the open what I wanted, and how I really am. I was confident.
Throwawayblue1414 10y ago
My main concern (and why I made this post) is not that I can game her on the date - the whole point of it is so I "vet" them sexually. I don't know if I SHOULD do this. I'm still a virgin, and this would be one hell of a way to lose it (not in a good way?).
PublicallyViewable 10y ago
I edited and added more to the end that addresses this.
Throwawayblue1414 10y ago
Thanks. It's not about how I'd be acting that'd be the "lie" though. I literally told them I'm an agent for a big wig, showed them photos of HIM, the whole 9 yards. They only want sex for that access - access to something that I made up.
PublicallyViewable 10y ago
I doubt they want to have sex only for that access, but rather for your perceived value for being related to that person. And either way, what's the dilemma? If they are only doing it for the access then don't they deserve to be taken advantage of in the same way that they're attempting to take advantage of you? And if they're doing it because they have a higher perceived value of you, then where is the harm?
Faking confidence or faking value doesn't hurt anyone, and it's not morally wrong. Pretty much every person ever fakes value even outside of sexual relationships. You dress nicely to have a higher perceived value. It's not immoral deception and you're not going to feel guilty if your job interview goes well because you were wearing a suit and tie.
Throwawayblue1414 10y ago
You cleared up a lot of my doubts. Thanks a lot.
Do you have any insight into the "danger of them claiming rape"?
PublicallyViewable 10y ago
I actually replied to that comment already elsewhere, haha. But yep, it's certainly a danger, and I've certainly considered rigging my entire future residence with cameras and microphones because I'm a paranoid fuck about that shit. I've already been threatened with accusations once, and I've seen firsthand the effects of "regret rape" with an acquaintance of mine where I saw the entire incident leading up to the point where they closed the door and she could audibly be heard saying "Oh yes, more yes".
systemshock869 10y ago
It's a pretty over exaggerated danger. They would have to be some nut job bitches and you would have to seriously piss them off. If you each got wasted and had sloppy sex or something where she might wake up in the morning and think 'what have I done,' you might be in some sort of danger.
If it were to go badly, which it won't, it would most likely be in one of two ways. She could end up leaving disappointed/ pissed (they don't give a fuck about your insecurities except that it ruined their vibe), or she might feel sorry for you and treat you like a sweet child. If either of these things happen you have to let it bounce off and move on. Practice makes perfect. If you think about failing before you even try, you're setting yourself up to fail.
VoyPerdiendo1 10y ago
Why do you need a "good girl"? Your post made me realise something, this doesn't actually have much to do with you. Why do people seek "good girls"? Do all men seek such women? If not all men seek such women, what do the ones that do have in common?
Synthtwo 10y ago
Dude, you deserve a high five. Use the first one as a learning experience and you'll be a champ by #3.
NeopolitanAfterglow 10y ago
Oh dear god. There is NO WAY that you cannot do this. Those whores. Seriously, fuck them right in the pussy.
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Throwawayblue1414 10y ago
I might upload pics of our convos later, but I've been concerned about anonymity ever since people here started mentioning the chance that there's a chance they'll try to do false rape charges.
[deleted] 10y ago
Your virginity means nothing. It's not worth anything as a guy.
I lied like hell the first time I got pussy. I never told her I was a virgin and everything worked out fine.
Here's what you do. Meet up, try to fuck them, then just cut off contact. They're gold diggers. They aren't interested in you. They're interested in whatever the character you've created for yourself can offer them. You might as well get the most out of what you can get.
Plus, after you disappoint the first one (don't worry about that too much), you'll at least have some practice going into the next one.
cover20 10y ago
I lost my virginity to a girl and took hers at the same time.
We never slept together again. This sounds like more fun!
bm2l 10y ago
If you're going to fuck them, get some consent confirming texts, and trt to find a way to record it. These girls might cry rape when they find out who you really are. You should fuck them all though, for the lulz.
Throwawayblue1414 10y ago
I didn't even think about that..
Lying for sex doesn't seem like rape to me? If I have it recorded would I be in the safe?
PublicallyViewable 10y ago
It's not, but it won't stop her from making allegations.
Who knows. I'm sure there would be some court somewhere that would see the tape and still find you guilty of rape and production of pornographic material without consent. But I certainly don't think it would hurt.
Throwawayblue1414 10y ago
Ugh why did I google it..
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/11/rape_by_fraud_nj_lawmaker_introduces_bill_to_make_it_a_crime.html
cover20 10y ago
Oh that link again. It's not a law yet, and if and when it does become a law, it will really be like this which talks about actual rape-by-deception laws that some states have:
http://verdict.justia.com/2013/05/01/rape-by-deception-rape-by-impersonation-and-a-new-california-bill
The only thing that can be illegal is impersonating someone's lover. Any other lie is OK in that it doesn't invalidate consent she gives based on it. And the reasoning (by women!) is just what you'd want: women lie and make themselves seem better than they are (women are constantly aware of this) so men can do the same.
In fact if you read the nj.com link very carefully, you'll see it says less than it seems to. It doesn't rule out exactly what I said, but it wants you to think that it does. Don't fall for the psyop.
PublicallyViewable 10y ago
Eh, don't worry about it. Well... Worry about it, but don't live your life in fear of all the bad things that could go wrong.
throwdownshowdownman 10y ago
Not a law yet lil homie
Red_Man86 10y ago
18 hours since this post. What's the news?
ForYourSorrows 10y ago
My only question is who did you say you work for and how can I reproduce this. Sounds genius.
minuscipher 10y ago
Man up, you reap what you sow and get in there.
favours_of_the_moon 10y ago
You should have sex with them.
Maybe each one of them won't be good enough for your boss. lol
Archwinger 10y ago
Even if everything you said and promised were completely true, these women still wouldn't be fucking you because they like you, think you're awesome, and want to. They'd just be whoring themselves out for whatever they think they can get from you.
Do women like this really deserve your honesty? It's not like they haven't done shit like this before. I mean, they agreed to fuck you, a compete stranger, in like 2 minutes, just because they think you might be able to set them up to fuck another complete stranger.
That's how cheaply they give away sex. It's not like you're taking anything valuable from them.
aHangingChad 10y ago
top marks!
♂
Throwawayblue1414 10y ago
That's true. I was thinking about myself to be honest.
Kind of like how it's a manner of pride (?) to not lose your virginity to a prostitute. This isn't that, but you know what I mean.
[deleted] 10y ago
I lost my virginity to this nerdy chick freshman year of college. I've also had sex with a couple different escorts.
I'll have you know that the escorts were more enjoyable for me.
B_Polar 10y ago
Just wondering here if you could turn this into a profitable venture, perhaps contacts some execs somewhere and ask if they would like to meet some "nice girls". Make that shit true if it helps.
MagnanimousGenius 10y ago
Hmm this is interesting, and OP is well positioned to become pimp here, if he so chooses.
lakingscrzy 10y ago
So your question essentially boils down to "do I feel like I'm worthy to be having sex?" because you feel lying or paying is cheating, and the only thing that "counts" is if a girl sees you for who you are and still wants to fuck you?
Throwawayblue1414 10y ago
I don't know if I'd phrase it like that..As I said before I'm still in the original post, I'm still in the transition of swallowing the pill. To be honest, deep down I do believe that some day I'm going to find that "unicorn". Maybe this would be someone I could open up to. I guess I was thinking that I might not want to do something that I would have to hide, from literally everyone, forever - even potentially this "unicorn".
Does that sound blue pill as fuck? I'm sure it does.
I feel like I am cheating to get sex and lose my virginity, yes. I do not know if this is going affect me later on in a bad way.
Part of me is still angry from trying to swallow the pill. If all these girls in my life have caused such heartbreak, done such cold and cruel things, why can't I do them too to get what I want?
Then someone like /u/monkeybeast55 will point out that it's MY morality, not theirs or anyone else's that matters. And it confuses me more.
lakingscrzy 10y ago
As somebody who has finally healed from the heartburn of digesting the pill and can start to feel the medicine within taking hold, I can tell you with complete confidence the number one rule you need to focus on learning is "my decisions matter only to me." For me personally as a newly baptized Catholic this has caused some morality issues as it's essentially an Ayn Rand-ian type mentality. You need to get it in your head that you are trapped on a desert island, there is nobody around to help you, you don't owe anybody anything out of any sort of obligation. If you decide to feed the homeless or help somebody with a flat tire, it isn't because there's some obligation too, but because you as a free agent decided to, purely from generosity.
So when you are deciding whether to have sex with these girls or not, you need to make the decision on if you want to, not what anybody else would say or do if you did. You are only concerned with the consequences of your actions as they pertain to you. This is why sleeping with a married woman is no different than sleeping with a single woman, those repercussions of infidelity are not yours, they're hers. Now, you can have a personal moral code where you decide to stay away from married women, and that's fine, as long as the decision is yours. So when it comes to sleeping with these women, if you want to then do it, if not then don't, but don't let your decision be based on your fear of having to explain yourself down the road. You don't owe anybody an explanation. You are a grown-ass man and you did what you willed.
vandaalen 10y ago
What? Why?
Throwawayblue1414 10y ago
You don't think so? I think you'd lose your virginity to a prostitute if you COULDN'T lose it to a regular woman. So it's kind of a blow to the ego.
cover20 10y ago
What's a "regular woman"? Women are so fucked up, that's what you don't understand yet.
These ARE regular women. Maybe not the most admirable, but not the worst either. They're just scheming chicks, oops I repeated myself there. And you are out-scheming them. Isn't that the right way to be?
vandaalen 10y ago
No. I don't and nobody with a sane mind does. In fact that was a very common way for boys in older times to loose their virginity.
It's just part of the typical shaming for men who book the service of a prostitute. Nothing weak in visiting one. Au contraire one could argue, that it's RP to realize, that every sexual relationship is kind of a prostitution and to just cut out all the bullshit, pay the woman directly and get what you want.
In fact I'd tell every virgin to visit a prostitute and to get that pressure from his mind.
Sex is nothing special, sacral or holy. It's just sex.
Throwawayblue1414 10y ago
That's an interesting way of looking at it...never thought about it like that.
For the sake of discussion, I'd argue that a good number (majority?) of men who do end up losing their virginity to prostitutes aren't RP, and are desperate. Might be different in other cultures, but I think it's that way here.
I agree that sex is not sacred, but I think I'm still hoping that this part is not true. The blue piller inside me says one day I'll find someone who is there for the companionship and love, so on.
cover20 10y ago
If you think this way, women will take advantage of you. You are pedestalling women.
If you treat them with no respect and take advantage of them, they'll get wet for you. And finally if you settle down with a girl and just let her know you COULD take advantage of her (dread game) it will keep her in line even if you actually treat her well.
vandaalen 10y ago
So what? If you are going out, combing the clubs and bars every day for sluts you can fuck, spending your money there, just because you want to loose your virginity, doesn't make you any less deperate, and for the money you're spending just in one week, you can even get a nice threesome with two hookers.
Meh. Go to /r/marriedredpill and lurk a little bit.
Archwinger 10y ago
I've been married for almost seven years. Dated my wife for 5 before that.
Every relationship before my wife was a serious search for a wife, and at least a year long. They all cheated. And these were nerdy good girls. Upper middle class white folk for the most part.
No woman has ever loved me for me. Not even my wife. It's all about how you make them feel and what you can do for them.
But I can type that until my fingers fall off. None of you losers will believe it until you're there, too. You'll even insist that I just met the wrong kind of girl. Every single time. That maybe I consistently looked in the wrong places or there's something about me. But you definitely won't believe that all women share this trait in common.
cover20 10y ago
Not me. Married 18 years (and still), no divorces, kids growing up at home, playing the game well enough I guess ...
And you're right. My wife does understand me very well, there is a deep closeness. And yet, she's at the stage of trying to maximize the resources she (and the kids) get from me.
So if it's just some pussy for fun and experience, heck play it for all it's worth. Go crazy. Tell her you need another test because "boss" asked you to recheck this, that and the other. Have a 3some with two of them and have them compete in a "final test". Whatever ...
newlifeasredpill 10y ago
Arch...I agree but wonder if we can take it further. This "romantic love" you speak of...does it really exist?
THERE IS NO SPOON-matrix
Keasbeynights99 10y ago
That's a very cynical view. I know guys that are broke as shit, and don't have a dollar to their name, and they still manage to attract well off women. The women end up giving rides to the guys, helping the guy pay his rent, and the guy doesn't really give them much value (other than sex).
Archwinger 10y ago
Because it's all about how you make them feel and what you can do for them.
Rollo gives the example of a rich guy with a nice suit and car chasing a pretty girl, buying her jewelry left and right. But she's more swept off her feet by a thug who takes her to the carnival, gives her a ring pop, and drags her back to his shack with a dirty mattress on the ground. Because in the moment, she's swept up by feelings, the story, the aloof nature of this mysterious guy.
enriquex 10y ago
Meh. You're in too deep already. Go for it and realise that lying can only get you so far. Live n learn
Throwawayblue1414 10y ago
You make it sound like I'll be making a mistake that I'll learn from.
I haven't done anything yet...so if you were in my position would you continue on?
enriquex 10y ago
If you're a virgin the only reason you're not doing this is because you're scared. Not because if they find out you lied but because you've never had sex before, and you're nervous about it.
The mistake part is, you can only root her once or twice. Even then she's not fucking you, she's fucking someone you made up. If you hit it off with this girl and like her, well too bad. Nothing more can come of it coz you lied.
If I was you, I'd root and boot. Get your virginity monkey off your back and dont contact these girls again.
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favours_of_the_moon 10y ago
Yeah, these girls are not fragile China dolls.
They really just want a good time. That's what you are giving them. They just don't want you to judge them, that's all.
throwdownshowdownman 10y ago
Just dont get HIV
MagnanimousGenius 10y ago
Have fun kids and wear a condom!
NeopolitanAfterglow 10y ago
WTF guys virtually never get HIV from girls. That's like a 1 in 5 million shot.
sampson158 10y ago
I have several "issues" with all of what OP is saying..
1) the concept that you are "testing" womens attraction by varying "X" variable... this makes it sound like you are running experiments. If you are, then, sure it's the sme kind of SMV experiments that are being run in the pioneering field of sexual psychology, which is mainly what the red pill philosophy is based on. (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evil-deeds/201405/the-psychology-sexuality) but you lack the ethical boundaries of a psychological study and the oversight involved that would prevent you from continuing with actually sleeping with them, so stop.
2) based on what you are telling us it sounds like you are posing as an intermediate pimp looking to hook up some prostitutes as "escorts" I would caution you about getting involved in the sex trade. these girls may already have contacts of their own and people that support their "trade" that wouldnt like you lying to their girls (wether they are escorts or prostitutes, same diff) you could easily get in over your head. It is an underground trade and they dont take kindly to being taken advantage of.
3) even if they arent currently "escorts" it appears that they are looking to become escorts, if they are willing to fuck for benefits and acces to high end VIP's ....well something isnt quite right here. Also you claim you contacted them on OK cupid, based on your info, as I said, I think you have attracted 3 "escorts" and when they dont get "paid" wether by connections or $ they are gonna be pissed off. no great achievement to have attraced 3 online hookers.
4) your whole story sounds false (too good to be true), like you are tryign to bait commenters. most of your responses even sound like you are baiting people on this reddit to see if they will encourage you to take advantage, almost like "are you sure I should be a lying douchebag", "is that really the kind of advise this forum gives". It strikes me as baiting. soon this thread will be crosslinked on ask hamsters with a title raging about how "TRP told some investigative journalist to take advantage of three innocent young women by lying to them to get sex."
5) If you really are a young dumb virgin 20 year old then you obviously have misinterpreted the concepts of TRP philosophy, It isnt about gettign laid by hook or by crook. It is an overall way of being the man you are supposed to be, almost zen like. Had you truly read all the info as you claim you had you would never have wasted your time with lying on OKcupid or any other webdating service for that matter. (as I understand it from adult male coworkers of mine if all you want is one night stands, you can find that on some of the online sites anyway, hell you could probbably find a girl on there to take your virginity and never see you again. but you will get further in life by being honest. you dont need to lie about it, fish in the sea yadda yadda.) But you obviously dont understand TRP philosophy, I would emphasize that while it is centralized around sex, and the main core concept is that men want sex, women want commitment, women control sex, but men control commitment. you should definately review the core concepts of TRP, especially AWALT and the unicorn theory (it's a 3d sliding scale).
6) and yes, a
truepure alpha would fuck them anyway and not care about the consequences.cover20 10y ago
gimme a break, he is not doing academic research and so academic restrictions apply. He has not broken any laws. It's legal to lie to get sex, unless you lie that you're someone's SO. (I wouldn't want someone to have sex with my wife by pretending to be me either.)
He is not in the sex trade and will not ask for any money. Therefore, no problem here.
Their ambitions are not his problem. Of course lots of girls want access and are hypergamous. Game is knowing about and if possible using such characteristics to achieve one's own goals.
whatever.
If he's misinterpreted the concepts of RP philosophy ... who the fuck cares?? He's set to get some pussy in a controlling, in-charge way. Sounds pretty red pill to me. Zen like = red pill? It's one way but only one way. If RP philosophy said that for some reason he should not fuck these girls, then it's a problem with RP philosophy. Obviously he should enjoy them.
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Number 2 most likely.
Escorts post on dating sites all the time. The get the guy's hopes up and then offer everything for a couple hundred bucks once he's already emotionally committed. If those girls see an ad for a VIP looking for escorts, they are going to swarm at the opportunity. These girls may have pimps, so be careful taking them up on their offers without delivering what you promise.
sampson158 10y ago
even if they are not actual working girls (which I still think is likely), they are still whoring for $. if you want to be red pill, then you should never lead women on for money, you want them to like being around you because they like you and want to fuck you.
Throwawayblue1414 10y ago
(see my reply to his post) I am positive these are not escorts. I've even see their Facebook pages. I'm not sure how anyone could 'prove' without a doubt that a woman isn't, but I really do believe they are not.
Throwawayblue1414 10y ago
Well, thanks for taking the time to write that out. I'll try to address everything:
1) It's not like I was "running experiments" by mass messaging hundreds of women after adjusting a factor, then writing down the results in Excel or something. At first, I just wanted to see what it would be like to be a high status male with regards to sex life. I was in the depression phase I think, and I wanted to see how it could get better. So I made the profile reflect what I one day hoped to achieve (jacked, good job, very high income, fun hobbies, etc.) The responses were great and honestly, I thought about doing a post on The Red Pill saying how all that gave me so much motivation. Then, I thought, what if I don't get that rich? Or never have time for skiing? Etc. Hmm what if I wear inserts and increase my height 2 inches? And so on.
2) These are not prostitutes at all. These are regular women - college students, retail clerks, etc. Based on how I talked with them, and introduced them to this whole concept (which I called "Sugar Daddy") I'm positive that they are not. They are women who are interested in the success that they can get from entering into such an arrangement, yes.
3) Something is weird - yeah. I was surprised THAT this could happen. And I'm talking about girls who listed "God and Christianity" as their number 1 priority. It was not "easy" for them to do this. I dropped hints that this VIP has paid 3k for a night - they would say no. 10k? "Haha I really don't know...I don't think so, I've never done those things before". 15k "Well, okay...he does seem sweet".
4) It is not false. I apologize if I come off as baiting but it's because I am sincerely a little confused.
5) I absolutely accept that I may have misinterpreted TRP. I even said in the beginning I don't completely understand/accept it. This whole thing (the money, status, etc.) was kind of eye opening.
6) Yes, but a true/pure alpha would never have ended up in the stupid situation I have created for myself.
sampson158 10y ago
1) "running experiments" doesnt have to include mass messaging people, Sex studies have been done by some of the online dating sites simply by changing one variable on a mans profile, and seeing how many more women they got responses from. There have been many experiments done by OK cupid https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=dating+site+experiments . as far as the other things go, TRP says to begin with, Improve your SMV but it is intended that you do this honestly in real life, not just on your profile. finish college, go to the gym regularly, save $ and get a good payign career that you enjoy. All of these things will also increase your own self confidence. but you can do many things to increase your self confidence. to begin with accept that women will turn you down flatly, expect it, but dont give up. just be confident and talk to them, that doesnt mean you have to become a pickup artist, just dont let them beta you and make sure you are flirtatious and pass the shit tests like an alpha. (this is all covered in becoming the gamma male, having an alpha attitude where you need to, and being at least as good of an earner as a Beta, but being a gamma means unlike a beta you are in control of $. one of the biggest mistakes I think couples make is getting a joint bank account, men should always keep this seperate.
2) you are still leading them on in a sex for $/benefits arangement, break it off. You can get laid for being yourself.
3) everyone has a price, you cant tell me you wouldnt dress in drag for a million$ man major actors have. money for sex is prostitution no matter how you slice it.
4) then break it off with these girls on OK cupid, and shut down your account, start over with an honest account. If you want to try an experiment put the truth on OK cupid. that you are a 20 year old college student and want to dump your V card. I am betting that you would get someone, possibly a great experienced milf cougar, to approach you about it. try it out, I bet we would love to hear about it.
5) Remember It's about increasing your SMV not lying about it. most of us have been doing this a lot longer than you have.
6) remember that you dont want to be the beta, or the PURE alpha, you want to be the Gamma.
here is the pure alpha https://therationalmale.com/2011/10/20/alpha/comment-page-3/
cover20 10y ago
I never saw how RP requires you to tell the truth. Please show me that in a mod's comments or the sidebar.
He can get laid now and later. It's not sex for $, it's sex for ... nothing. Just sex, the way it should be.
ok yes the girls are acting rationally. All the more reason to say they were not coerced (e.g. drugged, threatened, etc.)
why?
Girls don't lie about their SMV? It's about sexual strategy. You are misstating the purpose of RP according to what the mods say.
jcrpta 10y ago
These are not prostitutes at all.... Yet they said no to $3k, maybe to $10k and yes to $15k.
They might not be the crack whore who will give you a gummy blow job and your choice of STDs for $50, but they're still offering sex for money.
It's an old joke, but it's relevant here: if you have sex with a prostitute then run off without paying, is it rape or theft? How will these girls see it?
Assuming you are not trolling (given some of the threads which have been just TOO perfect on here lately, I'm starting to suspect that there's a couple of people who are winding us up - I'm just surprised we haven't yet had the brigading that you'd expect), you are playing a very dangerous game. It only takes one of these girls to cry rape and you are going to be in serious trouble.
cover20 10y ago
If he has those text convos where the girls were agree to fuck for money, I don't think he has to worry too much about a rape charge.
And yes it is legal to lie to obtain consent. (which is what you've done.) It's not a crime, I don't think you can be sued for money for fraud.
Throwawayblue1414 10y ago
Wouldn't that make almost everyone (male and female) a prostitute? Would you give a super rich guy a hand job for $15 million dollars? I think a lot of people would.
Again, I am not trolling. For the accusations, how would they even know who I really am? I didn't give them a real name. You are right though, this feels dangerous.
jcrpta 10y ago
I'd be going ballistic if he tricked me into giving him a hand job by pretending to be really rich. But I'm a man, there's a real limit on how much I could actually do to him. That wouldn't be true if I was a woman.
Okay, let's try a little thought experiment - which is more likely?
cover20 10y ago
He shows the cops the conversations where they were agreeing to fuck his "boss" for $15,000. Cop understands the situation. Nope it's not rape. "Sorry young lady, there's nothing we can do."
Because OP did not violate any law and can show evidence of why the woman is mad, in a way that's legal for him to create.
deville05 10y ago
Make sure you have a hidden cam and have them be on top atleast once. Cuz it sounds like yr in line to be accused for raping bitches after you tell them the truth (i.e if you fuck them before that)... Only way to get out of this is to fuck them good so that they atleast dont regret it. Or call all 3 of them over, get em naked n on top of you.. Get the mood going.. Be smooth n tell em the truth. Im imagining this as a scene with turtle from entourage
secret_barber 10y ago
I, for one apparently, am not a fan of overt manipulations, such as this. I may not tell the whole truth, but I sure as fuck don't lie and abuse other peoples' ignorance, greed or lack of self-worth. I find it rather gross, the justifications in the comments, where some of you are blaming the nameless/faceless girls for falling for OP's bullshit.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
drqxx 10y ago
Fuck and move on
First girl at 8. Then 2nd girl at 11. The last girl at 2.
Edit: Don't forget the condoms.
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Throwawayblue1414 10y ago
Actually, on my profile I wrote "I suck at sports" and listed my height as slightly below average.
I do agree that generally what you say is true, but if you pass 500k to 1mil mark in terms of income, then less so.