I'm a guy like this. Same posture and same skinny frame.
https://marombacn.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/antestreino.jpg
I find it exceedingly difficult to get people to take me seriously as their boss. I have a strong voice but a weak body language. Often when I talk to people over the phone, they seem to have no problem with me taking the lead and giving them directions and telling them what to do. Then they see me in person and boom, it is all gone. I become the guy that is 'trying to act tough'. What can I do to change this and is lifting the only way?
smokingmonkey420 10y ago
Bruce Lee was a skinny dude but he got respect. Anderson Silva is not terribly ripped but he gets respect.
Lifting acts as a substitute in a society where violence is not condoned. Women have no other way to objectively determine who is tough and who is not. So if you don't want to lift then learn how to fight.
I will say that learning how to fight takes a lot more time and is much more difficult but will pay off in ways that lifting never can. Once you've got the skills, there is no taking them away. The same cannot be said for muscle mass.
-rubashov 10y ago
Yes and yes.
Men won't view you as competition and women will ignore you. You will need to have exceptional other attributes, social presence, charm, wit etc, to make up for this.
Here is what I would do. Work towards a normal average body, so quite simply put on weight (muscle/fat). Once you are there work towards a muscular body as trp suggests.
In the meantime work on body language, there are a multitude of resources if you google.
At the very least - work on your weaknesses till they are average and not holding you back. Then work on your strengths.
BurgundyCarpet 10y ago
Exactly. OP, do stronglifts or SS.. Not for aesthetics but for pure brute strength and mass.
Once you can squat about 1.5x your bodyweight, read ahnold's encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding and switch to a more hypertrophy- based routine (I've heard Greyskull LP is good)
Controversial advice: Do not give up lifting if the squats get you down. Just give up squatting. Squats are dope, but if they're not your thing its OK. Its more important to lift in general than it is to squat when you lift.
niczar 10y ago
Squats are the only thing that keeps my anxiety disorder in check. I wish I had found that out years ago.
tuxedoburrito 10y ago
For the most part I agree except the squatting.
Just go lower weight and build it back up. I squat 3x a week. It's the largest muscle group in your body, releases a tone of hormones and testosterone and builds gains.
Basically if you're not squatting you probably won't see any real results or else it's gonna be a hell of a lot harder.
You need to squat.
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tuxedoburrito 10y ago
How would I get ahold of test shots?
I assume that's what you mean by pin.
BurgundyCarpet 10y ago
scooby says thats broscience
tuxedoburrito 10y ago
I could not help but read that in scooby doo's voice.
afroose 10y ago
Do you know that feeling of shame when an homeless man start talking to you ? I feel a bit the same when a skinny guy with a poor posture talk to me and the feeling when you talk with the popular guy, you want to become friend with him right ? it's the same with well groomed jacked guy lift dude it's amazing
Modified_Hackware 10y ago
See my submission on intimidation in the parent subreddit. But in a nutshell, MrEiffel is spot on.
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BattleDrillOneAlpha 10y ago
I know this mentality pretty well. A lot of my friends have been in cross country and most guys I know, myself included, have some sort of active running background.
You're not cut. You are skinny. If all you do is run then you are just skinny with low body fat from running. Mix in some weights and you will be doing yourself and body a big favor. Skinny abs aren't a thing to be proud of. No one is going to be able to tell you lead an active lifestyle besides bigger than average calves. You will be surprised how much better you feel if you add in weights and calisthenics. Be well rounded!
tuxedoburrito 10y ago
Yeah. I mean I was a sponsored bicyclist and can run for days, but honestly the gals I've been with have always been good with my body. I am just on SL now for myself, not for women. My girl doesn't want me to get bigger but I don't give a shit about her opinion, I'm gaining strength and muscle for myself, my own self respect, to push myself and my strength as a man.
Do it for you man, don't do it to get chicks bc if you do it just for aesthetics you'll burn out real quick
FelixCopy 10y ago
Scrawny people are treated in the same vein as short people by society.
To be completely honest, anyone that lifts and puts on muscle resents scrawny people the most. Once you start to get fit you size up other dudes constantly.
RPAlternate42 10y ago
Watch Captain America: First Avenger.
Steve Rogers was short, skinny, and ineffectual. He had a lot of heart and had a lot of gusto... but he still got his ass kicked regularly. He had a friend, and no one respected him as a man. Women ignored him and the only one who did simply paid attention to him because he may fit the parameters for a science experiment.
Then he got the serum and got tall and jacked and he still had his go get'em mentality. Now the woman that only liked him for what he could provide for her mission liked him because he was yoked up, had men following him, and now his presence matched his persona.
Now he has women trying to make out with him simply because he's standing in front of them... a woman who was a Private First Class, decided to say "fuck the chain of command, fuck rank, I'm going to get Captain Steve Roger's alpha dick inside of me!"
Mass media understands everything and lays it all out for you in story form... just know where and how to look.
TL;DR: Captain America: First Avenger is a perfect example for the big man/skinny man dichotomy.
reddishman 10y ago
Note to any reader or newb: This anecdote is from a fiction movie. Should be taken as such. However this stereotype exists for a reason.
RPAlternate42 10y ago
I would hope that was clear: Fiction is fiction... and this is not to be taken literally as in, take steroids and be wanted...
But the trope of the skinny guy gets big and becomes liked is common because it resonates with the general public as true.
reddishman 10y ago
quoting evidence from fiction just doesnt seem right.
RPAlternate42 10y ago
I'm saying this: People don't fully respect skinny guys because the media programs people to accept that as true... and the media is programmed by people who believe it to be true.
The story is fiction, the people are fiction, but the laboratory-style relationships can be found anywhere: women like strong men, women like heroes, women like men who command respect.
It's a parable: the story is false, but it illustrates the point well.
In this case, If skinny OP is a good leader, then muscular OP can be A good leader with more respect. Steve Roger's mindset never changed after his change: He was a great guy before and now he looks the way he knows he should and he can execute the kinds of things that wishes he could when he was skinny: be a hero, be a leader... etc.
ninjathejake 10y ago
Improving your posture is the quickest and easiest step before you start seeing lifting results. Stand up straight, head high, shoulders back, lead with your pelvis. People will take you much more seriously if you speak with confidence through your posture.
a_nus 10y ago
A strong physical frame is a sure way to gain respect. It's not the only way though. And it's not as important as an alpha personality. A beta personality can override being built.
NiceTryDisaster 10y ago
Yes.
That's Zyzz in your pic btw. Check how he looked after he started lifting.
FemtoG 10y ago
don't ever underestimate how little people think of you that they aren't showing.
Im_not_lonely 10y ago
it improves posture, and confidence which are both things you seem to be having issues with. So go lift
autoNFA 10y ago
If you're skinny, you can do well if you're an artist, musician, or independent religious leader. Otherwise, get some muscle. Either way, do some yoga (I recommend Iyengar) to improve your posture.
Reddthrown 10y ago
Skinny people with good posture get respect. Work on posture first. Then work on bulking up.
CalvinHobb3s 10y ago
Do both at the same time.
Reddthrown 10y ago
That would be best - but posture can be fixed in hours, gaining from skinny takes years.
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MacNulty 10y ago
None of these sentences made any sense to me. I think you may be confused about the meaning of the words skinny, muscular and jacked.
MrEiffel 10y ago
When you look like a weak 15 year old boy, people will treat you like one. Including yourself.
Heavy physical exercise creates a powerful body, which in turn gives birth to a strong sense of being and confidence.
You can't be a man in a boy's body.
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I disagree to a certain extent.
If you wrap up the entirety of who you are including your SMV, looks, behavior, and your dialogue that you have with other people, you can call this your "presence" - the more you have of it, the more people will pay attention to you, the more they will like you, and the more they will want to be associated with you.
Lifting is by far the best (change in presence/change in time) activity out there. If you make working out your primary activity and gain a lot of definition, you will increase your presence fast. Just simply gaining a moderately toned body over what you had before, whether you were overweight or underweight can make a huge difference, with a good part due to the confidence boost you get from the hormones.
However, that is not the only way to increase your presence. For example, there are plenty of skinny guys that just are so very social and/or make so much money that they have a very high presence, just from the way they dress to the kind of people they roll with to how they act in person - think "deadmau5" like, just not as insanely large or rich. But all of this is much, much harder to achieve then lifting.
MrEiffel 10y ago
If you're Leonardo Di Caprio, yeah you can ignore what I said.
But you're not, so go move some iron.
Myrpl 10y ago
Can confirm here. I'm barely underweight and look younger than what I am. People will instinctively treat me like a boy. It's their first impression that matters.
LaPiluleRouge 10y ago
40+ looks early 30....
I am happy about that, but it did cost me a couple of promotion because I look like a junior!
laughkisskill 10y ago
There are things you can do to offset that, especially what you wear.
Look up color meanings and suit tie combinations, add tie tac and maybe use an "older" aftershave. You can be youthful and modify yourself to appear more seasoned.
Lucky guy though! It's easier to appear older, not younger.
Myrpl 10y ago
As a career hopper in my 30's who's gonna be a junior developer, I can only feel good about that.
Add to that the fact that I'm working out and follow a gaining diet... Fuck yeah!
As for the promotion part: If you read 48 laws you might find other reasons that contribute to it.
LaPiluleRouge 10y ago
True and I know it's not the only reason, but it's one of them. And I know I can user other laws to fix that but I did not knew that then. Still got a lot of reading to do.
dark_g 10y ago
Hey I have an idea. New subreddit SPH, SkinnyPeopleHate #what_could_possibly_go_wrong
Myrpl 10y ago
You know, I was thinking of how the whole fat acceptance movement completely misses the point by miles, just because they focus on just one of the results that you can easily mold/work by adapting your diet.
But I suppose the fact that it's women-centric has a lot to do with it. Nobody feels bad for people like me when I was younger or OP for looking like skeletor, just because we grew up believing that men who eat right and lift are assholes bad boys that women don't like. Yeah, right. I think the food I had is coming up my mouth just by reminding me all that bullshit I used to believe without second thinking.
AmericanHistoryAFBB 10y ago
You're not alone.
redpill-visceral 10y ago
Also it can boost your willpower. Make you go through your limits. When your brain says NO! You respond YES! and do that last rep with the power you once didn't know you had. Not only on lifting, but any sport/activity, go beyond your limits, go beyond your body, beyond your pain, control your mind. This will make you powerfull.
vitringur 10y ago
I know what you mean, but this just sounds so silly.
You are your brain.
IVIaskerade 10y ago
It's more to do with the conscious overruling of the brain's automatic responses.
redpill-visceral 10y ago
Indeed. But helps me on my runnings. When I hit the wall and get that desire to stop... Then, I just... GO.
Thanks for the feedback.
aguy01 10y ago
Good strategy for overtraining.
skiier23 10y ago
yes and no.
this is a huge philosophical question. "what is consciousness?"im not going to get into that here.
your mind will give up before your body does during a work out.
vitringur 10y ago
You are your body. Your mind is a product of your body.
skiier23 10y ago
if a short sentence or two qualifies as "going into" something...idk what to tell you. read more? *shrugs. considering there are several books, even several courses on the subject. but a sentence or two qualifies as going into it. got it. lol.
Myrpl 10y ago
It's not philosophical, it's scientific. Cognitive scientists and neuroscientists already talk about "System 1" and "System 2" for the unconscious automatic part of the brain and the deliberately rational part of the brain.
skiier23 10y ago
i'll say its both. "what is consciousness" is definitely a philosophical question in addition to a scientific one.
BurgundyCarpet 10y ago
Yes and yes. Any other answer is hamstering.
4delicioustreats 10y ago
Not true at all. The total package is always at play. Money, fashion, power, penis, all attract women.
The reason muscles are pushed so heavily on RP is because it is, by far, the easiest male asset to acquire.
Money? Lot of hard work and risk. Fashion ? Lots of money and time Power? Everyone is after it, lots of competition. Penis? Risky surgery and lots of money.
Lifting? Like $50 a month and a few hours a week.
BurgundyCarpet 10y ago
The question was NOT "are muscles the only way to attract women?"
If that had been the question, I'd agree with you. Everything you say is correct.
The question was "do people disrespect skinny people?"... I can definitively answer that Q with a resounding yes.
lannisterstark 10y ago
It'd be a sad day when you speak for all of us.
IVIaskerade 10y ago
Given two equivalent people, one of whom is moderately jacked, and the other is a skinny bitch, the muscular one will be afforded way more respect and status than Auschwitz over there.
So the answer to the question is yes, muscular people are treated better than skinny people.
4delicioustreats 10y ago
Yeah of course. All things being equal..
4delicioustreats 10y ago
Same with all RP traits. Muscles, money, power, member
prodigy2throw 10y ago
Unless you have an absurdly good looking face, the difference between being skinny and swole is night and day.
Apanthropos 10y ago
Have you tried lifting and you failed? Have you got physical disabilities and cant lift?
Why do I get the impression that you don't have a real excuse for not lifting?
Must be the bad posture and body language that makes me believe so.
leftajar 10y ago
Let me tell you a story.
I was at the club a few months ago. I had just barged into a mixed group, and started spitting game at a girl. Basically, I tried to snipe the girl (don't do this; it doesn't work. I was a bit drunk at the moment.)
The guy she was talking to got SUPER aggro. He instantly started talking shit with aggressive bodylanguage.
Now, I'm not a small guy -- I'm 6' tall, and was 150 lbs at the time.
Point is, I started talking shit back to him. I wasn't afraid of him, but I looked in his eyes, and I could see that ZERO part of him was concerned I'd kick his ass. Like, it didn't even cross his mind. Furthermore, a substantial part of him wanted to fight me.
That was the moment for me. I realized, in the eyes of AMOG Joe, that I was a non-entity as far as danger. Fuck that. I've gained 12 pounds since then, and I' on my way to another 12.
Authority8 10y ago
This! How many times has this happened to me? More than I even realize, no doubt.
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RPmatrix 10y ago
great reply 7Z bro! honestly couldn't have said that in 1000 words!
MeatCurtainRod 10y ago
funny how dudes here seem to think this body type requires steroids LOL. This dude doesn't have big muscles. He is just cut.
IVIaskerade 10y ago
First off, we know Zyzz used steroids.
Second, it's not that you have to take steroids to attain it, but to get it as fast as Zyzz did does require steroid use.
Third, he does have relatively big muscles. Seriously, he's not bodybuilder huge, but he's still pretty fucking ripped. His focus was never on being the biggest, however. It was always on looking good naked.
whatgold 10y ago
Roids required for this result
red-pill-questions 10y ago
And shortened lifespan
whatgold 10y ago
Everyone here is eating meat/dairy so they're not concerned with longevity.
NidStyles 10y ago
No evidence that either of those shorten life spans.
whatgold 10y ago
The Okinawans say otherwise.
NidStyles 10y ago
Which means dick without both context, and genetic descriptors.
whatgold 10y ago
We're all human. No further descriptors needed.
NidStyles 10y ago
Yes, because genetics mean shit when discussing anything with any human. That is a hamster on overdrive to come up with that reasoning.
whatgold 10y ago
Nutritionfacts.org take your bullshit somewhere else
FelixCopy 10y ago
Can someone verify this claim? I personally don't think this dudes body is unnatural. To me it seems quite attainable natty but I have no experience with gear.
I may be biased but I think most people making this claim are just hamstring their own limiting beliefs. But I know gear to be quit prevalent.
Whisper Moderator 10y ago
ts;dr: I have no experience with what I am talking about, but here's my totally uninformed opinion, because mommy told me I'm a special unique snowflake and my voice is always important.
FelixCopy 10y ago
Yes, I said I have no experience here. I then asked for proper information. I passed nothing off as fact and simply stated my biased assumption, which I stated was a biased assumption. I asked because I have been considering gear for awhile. The responses I received were that you can attain this level of fitness without gear.
edit: I just read this dudes post history. What a joke, just attacking people on this forum with a condescending tone every single post. Cheer up.
tuxedoburrito 10y ago
If there wasn't truth in what he said, why did you feel the need to defend yourself?
Kose2kose 10y ago
Google "zyzz"
FelixCopy 10y ago
Thanks. Is his body type truly unattainable for most without assistance though? I understand he did so, but his body does not seem overtly impressive other than the low BF%
Kose2kose 10y ago
yea but when you take into consideration his party lifestyle in conjunction with how fast he made those gains, it's clear roids helped dramatically. But he'd be the first to tell you that he wasn't as big as most in BB, he didn't want to become a freak. He just wanted to look aesthetically pleasing and feel/look good. So yea, his body isn't magnificent for BB standards. But to the general population, he looked damn good i'd say
MrEiffel 10y ago
Lol yes he used gear.
FelixCopy 10y ago
I get that. The question I'm asking is if his level of fitness requires it.
MrEiffel 10y ago
To get that amount of muscle mass, no. To get that ripped, no.
To have both & consistently keep it? Fuck yes.
RPAlternate42 10y ago
agreed. I can get to this level of BF% OR get yoked... but there is only about a week or so when I can be both at once... given the choice of leaning one way or another: I stay yoked with extra BF%.
redpillpussy 10y ago
As someone who is well educated on matters of AAS, this is exactly correct.
dr_dreadlifts 10y ago
Ain't nothing wrong with a little performance enhancement
ZeeyardSA 10y ago
HAHAHAHAHA
whatgold 10y ago
Nah. People just need to understand that's what it takes. There's too much full natty bra unicornism going around
ziggitypumziggitypim 10y ago
He died at 22 of a heart problem. 22. Probably from roid abuse.
BurgundyCarpet 10y ago
Ain't nothing wrong with shaving 80 years off your lifespan in exchange for some sick delts brah. Hashtag WORTH IT
NiceTryDisaster 10y ago
He made a bad cocktail of different drugs that don't go too well. If you educate yourself on steroids and take the right, high quality stuff, that wont happen
Kilted_Guitarist 10y ago
Naa, congenital heart defect, cocaine/MDMA and a Thai sauna did him in
BurgundyCarpet 10y ago
When sharky asked zyzz what drugs he was on, zyzz replied "everything."
Its safe to assume that it was the COMBINATION of all the drugs + sauna + heart defect that did him in
ziggitypumziggitypim 10y ago
Tragic. So young.
Whisper Moderator 10y ago
When the heart goes on a recreational drug user, it's usually cocaine. When it goes on a PED user, it's usually HGH.
For Zyzz, it was probably both.
Kilted_Guitarist 10y ago
The zyzz combo is low test, high tren with some var. Maybe EQ if you got the cash for some boulder delts. I don't believe he was ever on HGH though.
Whisper Moderator 10y ago
Possibly, possibly not. I have no direct knowledge of Zyzz's exact cocktail. I simply think "HGH" every time a bodybuilder has heart issues. It's the most frequent culprit.
bertmaklinFBI 10y ago
I have to disagree.
Running test alone will fuck up your lipids. Pop in some other compounds with a congenital heart problem....
Doubtful Zyzz took HGH.
Kilted_Guitarist 10y ago
Zyzz's was congenital, he was born with it but it was undiagnosed
IVIaskerade 10y ago
He could, however have also taken HGH, which would have exacerbated an already existing condition.
I won't claim to know about his specific drug cocktail, but it's a possibility.
dr_dreadlifts 10y ago
That's why I said A LITTLE performance enhancement
Lil_Dick_McFarts 10y ago
Did he really?
IVIaskerade 10y ago
Well, it was from an undiagnosed congenital heart condition, and he was doing shit-loads of drugs like coke and MDMA at the time as well.
It's just a bad combination, really. If you're taking steroids, you shouldn't be doing recreational drugs anyway, but it certainly didn't help Zyzz's heart condition.
AmericanHistoryAFBB 10y ago
In my experience being on both sides of the fence, yes, people generally do respect skinny people less than if they have some muscle. The difference in how I'm treated is black and white, day and night. Men and women both talk to me like a man now, rather than a wimp.
You can supplement being skinny with other qualities, but lifting is the one thing that is the easiest fix for how people treat you. It's half the battle with the ladies as well.
RPthrowaway123 10y ago
Who would you respect more, the guy who looks like he hasn't ventured out of his cubicle except to piss or the guy who looks like he could knock the piss out of you?
It's not complicated.
cmiovino 10y ago
I enjoyed this response.
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RPthrowaway123 10y ago
That might apply at work, but outside work is where most of life happens. Or at least, where most of life should happen. I guarantee you chicks at the bar don't care how jacked your brain is. It's sad but true.
lannisterstark 10y ago
Because bars are the only place to get chicks, right?
TheRedLadle 10y ago
No, bars aren't the only place to meet women, but no matter where you meet them, women are going to form an opinion on you initially based on your physical appearance and body language, not how smart you are.
lannisterstark 10y ago
That'd definitely might be true for irl relationships as opposed to meeting long distance then forming an irl relationship.
IVIaskerade 10y ago
I'll take "things that someone who has internalised TRP doesn't say" for 500 deltas please, Archwinger.
tuxedoburrito 10y ago
Why the fuck would you meet someone long distance than form an LTR?
Lots of things she can hide from you, how she treats others, how selfish she is, her posture. Lots of flags man. If she can't get a man in her own city then there might be problem with her. And you.
lannisterstark 10y ago
And this is why you guys have trust issues, wanker.
tuxedoburrito 10y ago
Haha maybe. Because AWALT. But seriously, you'll eat your own words. Welcome to TRP
lannisterstark 10y ago
I've been here years. This community is slightly toxic but entertaining. I'm fine in the relationship I am in now, thanks.
thefoxman88 10y ago
Being stick thin is almost same same as being fat. It shows the same amount of laziness due to no gains.