I put a text messaging capture app on her phone. She's having an affair with one of my friends. She is in bed sleeping now and I obviously can't sleep. Want to blow up on her, but know that will show my hand.
The conversation in the text didn't specifically call out fucking, but its obvious that she was trying to meet up with him. I had actually sent him a text asking if they wanted to meet up for dinner. They my wife text her friend "hubby just invited bob to dinner! I can't stand having to sit there and face Alice (his wife)." We never ended up meeting with them, so later wife texts friend "kinda lose lose situation tonight. I didn't get to see him and he didn't try to see me." They also have a little system: She texts him "hi", then if she doesn't get an answer soon she texts "sorry bob, that wasn't meant for you". If he does answer, they chat back and forth and then delete the messages (he is also married).
We've been Married 16 years. 3 kids. She makes almost nothing (part time @$17/hr). I make 6 figures. We live in Wisconsin (a no fault divorce state I think).
Advice?
CapnZack53 11y ago
What is that app and will it work on Facebook messages?
flatox 11y ago
So, just my curiosity - but how did it all end out?
MakeMeNaked 11y ago
don't forget to put password confirmations on all CC accounts and call the companies to set limits, say $500. In my best Pulp Fiction voice "There may come a time when you think 'I'll take the high road, I'll be the better man...That's pride fucking with you, FUCK PRIDE" What lawyers won't really say is that the dirtiest, most underhanded, every lie you can get away with motherfucker ALWAYS wins in divorce, with no repercussions.
Imagine you are in a business partnership and you found out your partner was skimming off the top, and planned to fuck you over and steal the business from you. That's all this is now, no love, no family, no "we can get back to how we were" Fuck that. Whenever you you start getting those Blue Pill feelings just remember how your friends cock was plunging inside your wifes pussy, and how his cum sprayed inside and on her, and that devlish grin on her face because she knew she was getting over on you.....I know, harsh, but that's the reality.
darklogic420 11y ago
Lawyer up. Empty your 401k into an offshore account, even if you face a tax penalty. Start cancelling credit cards and draining accounts. Negotiate with your boss to get your pay cut, possibly in exchange for future benefits. Lock up your house into a Living Irrevocable Trust with your children as the beneficiaries and yourself as the sole Trustor, so that neither you or your wife can go after it as a divisible asset.
Prepare for a messy divorce because when it involves two marriages things get exceptionally ugly. This isn't a mistake, it is intentional and it is evil. No matter what your lawyer says you should at some point after filing for divorce offer up the evidence of the affair to the wife of the scumbag who is doing your wife. You also should share the evidence with your children. Make it explicitly clear to them that their mother has abandoned them and you for another man, and that she loves him more than she loves all of you. Be assured she will try to warp their minds so get the truth in their heads as soon as possible.
Make sure the divorce filing reaches her while she is in a hotel with her affair partner if you can, while you and the kids are packed and long gone. Be sure you alert child protective services before taking the kids. Let them know that you are afraid their mother will hurt them given the mental instability that can be brought on by the sudden divorce and by being exposed to everyone as a cheater. Make sure authorities know where you take your children and document that they know so that she can't accuse you of kidnapping them and so that her accusations make her look paranoid and unfit. Make a very clear case that she is leaving her children unattended while she goes out to cheat. Make her out to be an unfit mother. Take your children from her forever. Argue that you want your children raised by someone who has the morals to uphold their vows and adamantly refuse to compromise on custody. You have the salary, and dragging her through hell in the courts is the name of the game. Never surrender.
Be sure to expose her during the divorce to her friends and family. Make sure to look her parents in the eye and ask them if they'll side with their daughter or their grandchildren, because you won't let them do both. Guilt everyone into abandoning her.
Sue the guy who is fucking her for emotional estrangement. Subpoena him for DNA testing to compare with your kids. If anything comes up even as a grey area on the test sue him for back pay child support. Insist on keeping them all though, keep the kids.
Play absolutely dirty with this. Set up the game in advance while she is unaware that you know everything. Make moves without her knowing. Destroy her.
TRPstudent 11y ago
Having been through this, I can say at times it'll become a war of financial attrition. Stick to your guns and FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!
My divorce proceedings took almost two years to complete. I balked when I was being pressured initially to give her full custody and it was the best decision I ever made. Those kids need you, they need you the majority of the time and they need you to be solvent- remember that when you're months in and your mind is telling you to give up.
There will probably be some mediation that grants her some days with the kids before everything is over. Use this time for therapy, only to talk things out and take some of the pressure off you. Use that time to go lift, meet new people and stay a couple nights in a new town. Invest in yourself every way you can.
I chose not to drink until the divorce was finalized. I didn't want to do anything stupid, nor have a crutch to lean on. Do that.
8HourPower 11y ago
Take your life and your freedom back mate. It's already messy and it's going to get worse.. The advice here on soliciting the high-end lawyers here is the most direct route for your benefit.
All the best, the manosphere cheers for YOU
Futsushi 11y ago
You may never get this because this post is old. However, I feel for you. Hopefully you have been able to remain calm and it can be really tough. I have been married for 10+ years and I would struggle not to lose my shit if this happened.
The good advice is lawyer up. I am not saying this just because she cheated, but because of the disrespect to you and what you have given up for her and your family. It really shows how strong the hamster can be.
One an up-note. You have a good salary, and being male means you can rebound and get in shape (if you're not already) and do whatever/whoever you want at the end of this.
Stay calm, get a lawyer and think about the long term gains here. PM me if you need to vent. My wife and I have a good RP relationship, but I am not so stupid as to think this couldn't happen. Make sure you remember this, because you may sabotage other fun times with other women because of your wife. You can't always predict this shit and worrying about it will just make you miserable. It happened, now you do what men do; deal with it, make plans, think about your kids and move on.
bonekeeper 11y ago
Get some cocaine and sneak it into her food little by little. Then create a situation where she has to get tested for drugs - for example, suggest she apply for a job in a place that does drug screenings - then once you have a positive for cocaine, you can claim she's a junkie and unfit to be a mother and get custody of your kids.
Just kidding. ;)
bonekeeper 11y ago
Also suggest a swing between you, your wife, Bob and his wife, you might just get to fuck Bob's wife in the ass before you leave.
heist_of_saint_graft 11y ago
Brown parachute.
bonekeeper 11y ago
aka mud in the helmet!
TheLawlessMan 11y ago
Before you say anything see if you can drain some money from the accounts and hide it with trusted family (None of your "friends"). If you want your children do not do anything stupid. Calm down. Call her from another location and tell her what you know. "We've been Married 16 years. 3 kids. She makes almost nothing (part time @$17/hr). I make 6 figures. " I cringed at this..... You will need a great lawyer. I would also tell his wife. In most cases people will tell you that it is none of your business but in this cases he is messing with your wife and he was a "friend." His wife deserves to know. Look into this /r/legaladvice
MakeMeNaked 11y ago
The longer you can go without her knowing, the bigger the surprise the divorce will be and the more time to get your ducks in a row.
j_arbuckle2012 11y ago
Lawyer up immediately. Don't skimp either, get the best damn divorce lawyer in your tri-county area and tell him (make sure it's a guy) that you are in this for blood, and that you will not walk away from this until you have her unconditional surrender. Don't worry about the cost, your only goal right now is to save your money, your kids, and your possessions.
You are going to war, but first you need intel. Act like nothing is wrong, and start tracking her activities. Emails, texts, voicemails, GPS tracking, etc. Anything and everything you can use against her, do it. Then start doing small things for yourself. Get back in the gym and start lifting, start a hobby that only you enjoy, spend as much time with your kids without her around, completely emotionally disconnect from her; this will be hard, find a trusted family confidant and vent vent vent. Basically stop living like a married man, and start living like a bachelor with three kids and a parasitic dependent, which is what she has become. If she asks or confronts you about it, STAY STOIC and say that you just need more time to yourself. She will try everything in her power to shame you back into the clueless provider position, but do not fall for her tactics. You are your own man and you live your life by your own rules. During all this, continue to gather intel and do NOT bring up her cheating until such a time when you have enough evidence of her misconduct that your lawyer says you have an airtight case. Then walk up to her, serve her the papers and tell her without any emotion that you want a divorce. Oh and last but not least, stop fucking her immediately. Full stop. A woman's power comes from her ability to tempt you with sex, and believe us, she will. Stop fucking her and stay the course. Remind yourself that she doesn't deserve anything other than your scorn.
EDIT: Drain any and all joint accounts immediately. If she asks, say you're saving up for a big gift and it will take some time. Put that money someplace safe, preferably with a trusted family member who has no connection to her.
AveofSpades 11y ago
Act none the wiser. This is going to take all your balls and heart, buy carry on like nothing has changed. Forget the small battle here, you're going to win the war.
Now, take some time and go get a consult from 5-8 best Divorce attorneys in your area. Congratulations, now due to conflict of interest, she's lost access to top attorneys.
Hire the best, most vicious attorney and keep records of everything she's doing. Talk with your attorney to formulate a best course of action, and start to drain joint accounts. Bonus points , if the slut asks where the money is going, tell her you're working on a gift to shown your gratitude to your wife and kids.
Badhesive 11y ago
Such a good idea, act like its vacation money, then after you get quality custody of kids and legally break off from her and everything's done, take the kids on the most awesome vacation adventure to Europe or the Caribbean or some shit. That would probably drive her insane cause shed realize how well you planned it.
MakeMeNaked 11y ago
Oh, and don't skimp on the lawyer. The more you spend on the lawyer, the less you'll spend on that cheating bitch.
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Whatever you do just remember this one little piece of info:
DO NOT LEAVE THE HOUSE! DO NOT GO STAY AT A HOTEL OR A FRIEND'S PLACE. DO NOT DO ANYTHING THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS YOU ABANDONING THE FAMILY HOME.
59Splits 11y ago
You've got to play the long game here. Prepare. Don't tell her you know until it suits your plan. Don't let your plan be driven by your emotions alone. Children and money are important and who gets those comes down to lawyers and planning.
DanReggins 11y ago
Lawyer up. If an attorney says you should be "fair" to her, fire him. You want to get out of this with as much as you can. You are in for the fight of your life.
Get ready to drain any joint accounts.
masterrod 11y ago
Ah you're kind in a bad situation.. It's cheaper to keep her.
Talk to a lawyer see look at your legal options.
Decide what you want to do marriage counseling, etc. Make a decision, this will be hard.
Play it cool. Then blow her up.
I'd personally fuck his wife. If you're going to go out, go out with a bang.
Hamilton5M 11y ago
If she likes to drink, and you know she drives tipsy call the cops on her anonymously.
If she gets a dwi, or better yet a dwi with the kids in the car you will win custody hands down.
We're not talking about being nice, we're talking about winning.
1701ncc 11y ago
and he is stuck with thousands in legal bills
Hamilton5M 11y ago
He'll be losing money either way, might as well have the kids.
Badhesive 11y ago
Just curious, why would he pay for her legal bills on the DWI, surely a person can be made to pay for their own crimes?
1701ncc 11y ago
when she is bankrupt the state and creditors are going to go after him
Badhesive 11y ago
What's a DUI cost, 5000-10,000? Surely she will suck way more than that out of the divorce, and likely has an account with way more than that already.
Human_Isomer 11y ago
Set up cameras or microphones in your house and then say you're going out of town for a week or two for business or whatever. You're bound to get some proof of her cheating.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 11y ago
And this is going to help with what exactly?
Human_Isomer 11y ago
obtaining more proof that she's cheating. Every divorce court needs indisputable proof.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 11y ago
In most legal jurisdictions, this has no effect on the financial distribution of assets and support.
In terms of obtaining proof of it, the cost benefit analysis of that action should be left to a reputable lawyer. You wouldn't want to get yourself labelled as some kind of creepy, predatory, unstable husband, while you sit in front of a judge who has some kind of his own thinking and bias for that type of behavior which can swing both ways. It's a tradeoff, let the lawyer figure out what's best.
roue_ 11y ago
Get professional legal advice. Try the law firms in your city. Don't confront her yet. When they have told you how to proceed band what the outcome will be then you can confront her.
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Manuel_S 11y ago
I like this! Smart...
Badhesive 11y ago
Unfortunately that "gambling addiction" would likely be used against him in regards to the kids.
Carbone 11y ago
unless he's making cash from a meth lab under a laundry.
Badhesive 11y ago
Yea but then he needs to just move back in, and let the wife call the cops, while taking it all in casually
monicamash 11y ago
You could also ask /r/legaladvice
I am really sorry to hear this for you, especially for your children. I just don't get what goes on in a woman's mind to sacrifice her children's family for some dick .
rebuildingMyself 11y ago
She knows family courts will reward her infidelity with custody, a house, and cash.
throwaway_holla 11y ago
It's not the dick she's after. It's whatever unmet need she's trying to get met by cheating. Examples: connection, attention, fun, acceptance, companionship, to feel attractive and/or wanted, etc.
And she probably doesn't think of it as sacrificing her children's family.
Invalidity 11y ago
To feel attractive. Companionship. Acceptance...
You're kidding right? Women cheat because they are no longer attracted to the man they are married to (if they ever were in the first place). Marriage is an essential attraction killer which is why a lot of married men end up sexless after a short period of time in a marriage.
Being a provider is not attractive. She's cheating because she's constantly being approached by guys who are more attractive than you since you have been reduced to a state of providing.
throwaway_holla 11y ago
You'd need to provide some proof of any of that, because unlike the pick-up-artist claims about how women and men typically work, there are mountains of evidence based on actual research that prove you wrong.
So, please, cite some actual studies or research, not just your observations or what "everyone knows."
Invalidity 11y ago
Would you care to cite unbiased and valid evidence for your claims as well or should we just continue your circlejerk of you're wrong I'm right.
throwaway_holla 11y ago
Sure. Will you?
Invalidity 11y ago
Then support your claim that women do it for a connection, attention, acceptance, etc.
She won't think she is sacrificing her family because she rationalizes everything in her mind as being acceptable, as a necessity. There's a lot of cognitive dissonance going on in a woman's mind to justify her actions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/fashion/more-asian-americans-marrying-within-their-race.html?pagewanted=all
More Asian women marrying males of their own race by the time they hit the wall (when their clock says time is running out). They date countless numbers of males of other races and then end up settling for males of their own race. They would rather maintain a relationship with all these other guys but none will have them and by the time their biological clocks tick, they find a provider. A successful guy who will take them, ie. Asian beta male.
This is one example of many. Women by the age of 30 or so tend to find a male who will provide for them to marry. They are not attracted to these males for anything other than their financial provisions.
SneakyTouchy 11y ago
Just want to be the 17th person to say this because it is most important:
Do not let her suspect you found out!
ClearArmor 11y ago
Document everything. You may never need it but if you do and you don't have it you'll kick yourself. Take pictures. Copy files. Record conversations. Look out for yourself.
Icaruswasright 11y ago
Get a good divorce lawyer right away. Ask him how to proceed.
Don't let the pleasure of blowing up on your cheating wife jeopardize your financial situation or make this more traumatic for your children. Same with Bob. Not worth it.
I feel for you man.
-RobotDeathSquad- 11y ago
Also, record EVERYTHING and sock away funds.
MegMartinson 11y ago
this, This, a thousand times THIS!!!
PlusGoody 11y ago
Proof of cheating means nothing legally in outcome of divorce. Doesn't change one penny of property division, alimony or child support. Doesn't affect child custody.
pheonixignition 11y ago
Fuck it. If his wife is hot, I say you show her the texts and start banging her. Plus whatever anyone else here said.
slcjosh 11y ago
Laywer up immediately. Get all the evidence you can and ask your lawyer what your next step is.
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Record. Everything.
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My_MR_Throwaway 11y ago
I'm not OP but Mobile Spy works very good. A girl I was dating, her ex husband put this on her phone and it took us almost a year to find out about it. It was sending him voice, email, text, web-browsing, and GPS logs and did not show up in the dashboard at all. Even the process was something generic like Android System. I found it on her phone by complete accident while doing a backup of her music and pictures. Even then, if it had not have been for me being in IT and knowing quite a bit about files and logs then I wouldn't have even noticed what it was when I saw traces of it.
Dr_Nikk 11y ago
This interests me as well. You don't have to say "for science". Just ask man.
aditas 11y ago
Oddly this would be relevant to my interests.
johnnight 11y ago
You need to become an emotionless calculating sob. At this point your anger might overtake you and make you do things that give immediate emotional satisfaction but are damaging to your interest in the long term. Example: you might want to hit her in the face and demand divorce. You lose.
Keep your empathy for the kids.
gekkozorz 11y ago
Considering how most states love to fuck over men in these matters, you need an airtight case. Don't end things till you can offer solid evidence that she is not fit to be a wife and mother. The last thing you need is to have to give up half your income and, more importantly, your kids.
I wish I had more to offer you, but all I have is that and my condolences. Amazing how women can be such callous, stone cold bitches.
[deleted] 11y ago
do everything you can to gather as much evidence as possible- discreetly. I know you want to explode and kill her, but she will fuck you for the rest of your life financially if you let her onto the fact that you know. Once you have sufficient evidence (as determined by your lawyer), calmly present the divorce papers.
[deleted] 11y ago
http://marriedmansexlife.vanillaforums.com/categories/911-relationship-er
make a detailed post their, you will get the best advice on what to do.
Raggos 11y ago
People are hung up about legal stuff, when they should be first asking YOU do you still love the bitch? If yes, then up your game by a ton, money isn't everything that's why she wants someone for a fling.
Thus you need to discipline her, make her submit to you. Getting more fit doesn't hurt, doing some fun stuff, and especially flirting with other women, make her realise how good she has it. Make yourself a better man, for the sake of YOU not her.
If no, then yes, legal. What you also can realise is that anger leads nowhere, she's primitive, women don't have the depths a man has, shallow as it may be, it's not her fault, she REALLY doesn't know better. It's your job to train her.
Best of luck
Edit: You're all blind fools, 2 options I gave, and you get stuck up one 1 phrase which doesn't even mean what you think it means. Pathetic.
m1serablist 11y ago
They are not dating, 17years of marriage with 3 kids. To late for red pill training for her, its to the streets with no Cash for her now, no red pill, but red wedding. Let the heads roll, after that red pill all the way
bigskymind 11y ago
Not her fault? Need to train her? What the fuck?
BooksofMagic 11y ago
Hypergamy rules all women yet they rationalization hamster so they don't realize.
Dr_Nikk 11y ago
It's too fucking late at this point. He's on a scavenge mission not a refurb.
Theophagist 11y ago
Yeah if you can stop absolving women of accountability that would be great.
Raggos 11y ago
You're new here aren't you? Go back to reading, maybe you'll learn. It is not her fault, she REALLY DOESN'T KNOW BETTER, because if she DID she wouldn't have done it and actually expressed what is lacking in the relationship and tried to make it work.
Again...go back to reading
johnnight 11y ago
Hypoagency
Dr_Nikk 11y ago
Man get out of here with this. You're making all us TRP'ers look like misogynists.
j_arbuckle2012 11y ago
A core tenant of TRP is holding women to proper standards. Plenty of women understand consequences and choice. Stop absolving them of responsibility for their actions. You are part of the problem.
Raggos 11y ago
One thing your blinding yourself is (and we just don't know the situation, bare in mind), in TRP we hold women accountable for LITTLE things as much as the big ones, give her enough room to walk all over you (what you know as shit-tests) and guess what eventually happens?
2 sides of a coin
Theophagist 11y ago
I understand what you're trying to say, now it's your turn to try to understand what I'm trying to say. Women still need to be accountable for their actions. She may not know why she needs to cheat but she knows it's cheating. She is at fault, she must be accountable.
I hate to see another guy wind up in the pitfall of accidentally white-knighting for women, because weaknesses considered at the end of the day they are still responsible for utilizing the rational portion of their brains.
Raggos 11y ago
Blind fool, I clearly gave 2 options, if he loves her, stick around, get better, if he doesn't, go legal.
I stated that she doesn't know better, not that she is not accountable for it. It's like saying why are women shoplifting sometimes when they CLEARLY have the money, because they REALLY do NOT KNOW any better, they let their impulses take over them.
Go back to reading & improving.
Theophagist 11y ago
Saying one IS saying the other. I'm not sure how you managed to rationally separate them in your mind but it just doesn't jive.
Aspiring to be alpha doesn't mean being smug and condescending. There's many reasons never to be this way, such as the embarrassment you'll feel when you find out you were wrong all along.
Invalidity 11y ago
You're completely missing his point. And the fact that you're getting defense isn't helping your cause at all.
She's cheating and she realizes it but she's rationalizing it in her mind as an acceptable thing. While all of this is certainly his fault for marrying her, she's done something of her own accord and the fault is entirely upon her.
Raggos 11y ago
My point I'm trying to put forward, it's not about the money, to keep a woman is all within ourselves, making her happy by having a leading role, do you think he won't get cheated on a 2nd time by a 2nd girl? As we have learned on this wonderful forum, Beta bucks, Alpha fucks.
j_arbuckle2012 11y ago
That's feel good bullshit, dude. Women need to be responsible for themselves. They only fault that OP has in this is that he married the wrong broad.
SHE chose to cheat. SHE made the decision to hide it and continue the affair. This is on HER, not on him. Absolving her of her responsibility does nothing except make it okay for her to take these actions again. Actions have consequences, any person (male or female) who doesn't understand that should be fucking avoided.
Raggos 11y ago
Ok, I challenge you, find that special woman, and turn into a beta, see how she remains with you.
This is like saying Oh, I got lung cancer, damn it, what are the odds? -doctor: Well you shouldn't have been smoking for the past 40 years..
Point I'm trying to enlighten you with, it's always a two way street. Of course they should be accountable, however, think about this. Why is she unhappy and has the desire to cheat? We may never know, but odds are, she doesn't feel dominated/led in the relationship.
You think I'm a white knight or something? I've seen the light, I see patterns and I can assure you, as much as the bitch deserves divorce, I rather see this guy try to improve himself. I'm above simply going down the misogynist or White K. route. Remember this, people treat others in a civilised manner, when sometimes those people act like animals.
Theophagist 11y ago
Dude we understand redpill philosophies, you clearly have misinterpreted a lot of them. If you spent as much time reading as you spent telling other people to read you might have figured this out by now.
I'm not trying to put you down here, but you don't know everything. None of us do. Hell, we're all going on a working hypothesis that borrows from limited scientific resources.
Don't shut down, keep your mind working and keep constantly challenging what you think you know. This is how the greatest men became who they are.