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TrenGod37 5y ago
You’re not understanding what we mean by AWALT.
When we say AWALT we mean all women have women tendencies. All of them. They all have unique instincts related to their gender.
That DOENST mean they will act on them. But they can’t prevent them from happening. Just like you can’t control what makes you horny. They can’t control what turns them on. What their genetic make up (if you will) reacts/is attracted to.
All women have a primal instinct deep inside them to want the best match for a potential mate. That doesn’t mean they ALL will cheat. But they can. That doesn’t mean the all will hop on the next best dick the second you fail a shit test. But they can. Like I just said in a previous post.
It’s like the loaded gun analogy. We treat every gun like it’s loaded. Even though it might not be. It’s better to treat them all like they are. Same goes with women. Just because they get wet over chad doesn’t mean they will cheat on their husbands because of it. But most might. And all can.
It’s more a matter of being aware than a law. Again these are all theories. TRP is a toolbox. You take a use what works and discard what doesn’t.
So In short. AWALT. all women are women. Just like all bears want to eat moving shit to survive. Some people tame bears. And a couple May never eat or hurt their owners. But God dammit they have the ability to and you’d be naive to think otherwise
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Auvergnat 5y ago
Welcome to TRP. Where gold nuggets are covered in shit. With experience, you learn to discard the shit and keep the gold.
AWALT is one of those many TRP concepts that need some reading and reflection to fully understand and appreciate, and eventually capitalize on.
Because such effort takes time, it will always be mis-conceptualized by people new to TRP. As with the other fundamental but complex concepts that are misunderstood at first, this misconceptualization takes the form of an oversimplification that allows a newbie to form a complete (even though mistaken) and coherent "understanding" of the concept.
In the case of AWALT, this misconceptualization is a simple, generic, gendered insult.
The problem is that reddit works in such way that newbies are welcome to post and comment, and that these posts and comments can be made extremely visible by other newbies upvoting, thus allowing the misconceptualization to easily spread to other newbies.
TRP newbies may happily throw "AWALT" as a conclusion to a report describing a woman behaving in a shitty way, without giving any second thought at what it means and what lesson is in there. To them it's just something "trpers" must say. Woman does shitty thing -> "AWALT"
And so you come to believe that AWALT = "women are pieces of shit. Here's another example!".
For the one who had the time read about, think about, and fully understand and appreciate the concept, AWALT really comes down to three ideas in one:
Women are based on the woman mould - hypergamy, solipsism, dual sexual strategy, etc. There are degrees and outliers of course but overall this is the big picture. Just like you can say "all men are horny and instinctively crave to fuck as many hot girls as they could". Overall it's true because it's biological in origin. Despite all the low-Ts who don't have the craving, the gays, the guys who can't do it because they're too low SMV and thus rationalize their feelings, and the great majority of guys who will keep that in check... it it still true overall. It is a truism of the male condition. AWALT is the expression that formalizes the thought that when we're talking about those dark sides of women's sexual strategy, we're not talking about some bad apples in a field of good apples, but about all women. It's the necessary counter to the "women are wonderful" effect in your brain.
It's not that they WILL do that, it's that they FEEL that, and MAY do that, and in all cases most certainly CAN do that, again with "that" not "that completely trashy thing that this one woman just did", but more generally "that extremely common thing that women do, and how look yet another example". A married woman cutting the dick off her husband who cheated is absolutely not an AWALT story. A girl pushing a suicidal orbiter to kill himself so that she can get some victim status is definitely not an AWALT story. The horny and lost girl who fucks an entire football team is not an AWALT story. That innocent-looking, church-going, quiet next-door-neighboor girl who fucked Chad at the summer camp because he was the most-mature, highest-SMV guy around is most definitely an AWALT story.
FlexGunship 5y ago
The question isn't really one of "judgement" which seems to be where you're going with phrases like "slutty" and "low class". Instead, it's one of prediction.
No one would argue that they can predict the future, but:
I can't tell you which stocks to buy or when but bty 2020 we expect the S&P500 to have a higher net value than today (the stock market is like that). So don't be surprised.
I can't tell you which airplane will crash next, but I'd bet my life savings there will be at least one in the next three years (airplanes are like that). So don't be surprised.
I have a few things that need fixing around the house, I don't know how I'll get hurt ot what type of injury it will be, but I'm sure I'll end up bleeding (all projects are like that). So I won't be surprised.
So, people aren't talking about "all women" they're talking about trends that, when they prove true in your specific case (because AWALT), you should NOT BE SURPRISED.
TrenGod37 5y ago
Take some of these guys words with a grain of salt most of them haven’t swallowed the pill or have little to no experience with the information within this sub. A lot of them are butt hurt “alphas”(aka autism) who are stuck in the Anger phase. I tend to hang around married red pill more because of this. You won’t see that type of stuff over there
uwotm891 5y ago
Solipsism at its finest.
The__Tren__Train 5y ago
I read 'AWALT' as 'yeah, not surprising'
a sort of "we've seen it all before" -type thing.
whether it's baby trapping, cheating, false accusations.. a woman might do A and C but not B... or just B by itself.
nothing new or groundbreaking in terms of behavior though.
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The__Tren__Train 5y ago
I went to a pretty ritzy university that also gave out a lot of financial aid to 'lower class' folks. so we had a good mix of people from all walks of life.
so while the rich, upper class, polo-playing girls weren't trying to baby trap... they sure as fuck cheated, and 'got down' (as it were) like the rest of em.
MuhTriggersGuise 5y ago
All women think it's other women who are disgusting/low class/trashy. AWALT.
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MuhTriggersGuise 5y ago
Ooo a 23 year old little girl coming onto a RP sub telling men to man up. Why yes ma'am little lady. I'll man the fuck up right now.
Sorry you're struggling with the nature of your sex. Stuck up little bitches like you are the biggest whores on the planet. Sorry not sorry.
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dulkemaru51 5y ago
So begins the shaming and projecting.
What did you say that was true? You said this:
You commanded him to do something. How can a command that it not descriptive of any facts be true or false?
What do you know about female sexual strategy? Actual question, because you are here asking people to define it...
As many have said already, AWALT is a RP term that describes female biology and COMMONLY ensuing behaviour, not involuntary behaviour, although it might seem involuntary and unconscious because every woman that I and everyone else here have seen, all exhibit certain behaviour. Like you with your accusations of someone on the internet being bitter, angry and immature because he said something that you do not like. His claim was essentially that saying that one is not a basic bitch is the most basic bitch thing one can say, I agree and somewhere deep down, you do too.
Anyway, all men want to fuck curvy, young women. All women are attracted to the current top dog of their environment. As tribal animals, men evolved to fight for the tribe until death, because when a new clan took over, the men were most likely killed, so fighting to the bitter end maximized men's chances of survival. Women evolved to submit/become attracted to, whichever male was the most dominant one in their environment because he was most likely to have the best genes and in those times, she was likely to get killed UNLESS she submitted to the new ruler(s). Hypergamy is innate programming of the human female; she, not necessarily seeks out actively, but is sexually drawn to the current Alpha and she 'falls out of love' with her man quickly for this reason when a better opportunity is available to her.
Women also have an innate need to gain commitment (=provisioning from an evolutionary perspective). A woman in the wild, would generally not survive without a committed man and her offspring ESPECIALLY needed provisioning. So, she 'seeks out' the best possible provider that she can attract with her SMV as well as the best dick she can attract with her SMV. Whether those needs are fulfilled by the same man, an AF+BB combo or not, depends on the individual woman.
Not all women do cheat, but all women can cheat. All men can cheat too but are less likely to, because men evolved to love and protect unconditionally, whereas women evolved to be opportunistic, so the limbic driving force of a man to stay loyal is greater than that of a woman. Again, it is theoretically possible for a woman to decide to be loyal. Another difference is that when a man cheats with a younger, hotter woman, he still loves his woman, whereas a woman who cheats becomes repulsed by her man, because nature pushes her to avoid the mediocre jizz of her cuck husband.
Btw, thanks for contributing to the science of AWALT with your AWALT behaviour. You are welcome for the info, use it to rationalize your AWALT behaviour, haha.
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dulkemaru51 5y ago
Yes. As I said.
AMALT = Impregnate all curvy women. In the male consciousness this is experienced as arousal from seeing a sexy girl. Yet he still has unconditional love for the wifey, until death, regardless of how many secretaries he fucks at the office, unlike women who:
AWALT = Get jizzed in by the current Alpha of her environment AND get commitment from the best provider that she can attract. Experienced in the female cosciousness as sexual attraction to the best fucker and ONLY to him, as well as lock-him-down-as-a-slave-feelings for the best provider. She will dislike both as soon as better ones come around, especially the hubby/provider, who she never saw as a man in the first place.
Do you realize why LTRs are a recipe for heartbreak and radical change in life course for men? He must always be her best option or she is gone with his money and his children. NOT necessarily in theory, but ffs, her feelings want exactly that, so what is the point? If she is suddenly disgusted with you because a new, hawt guy, is talking to her, why would she stay? Personal values? Wonderful. It will still be a shitty, sexless existence in that 'best case' scenario, for both parties.
Such as?
Because you say so?
Right, because you feel so.
How would we know that you are simply not talking shit? Are you from Saudi Arabia or what? And what behaviours are you even talking about? Have none of your friends cheated or been so attracted to a guy that they fucked him on the first night? Have you?
There are copious amounts of rigorously written and motivated posts and discussions here about vetting women for optimal chances of long-term success. As I have said, even women have individuality. Still, AWALT. When the tingles are gone, it is o-v-e-r. Even if she decides to stay and/or not to cheat, the couple is now in a very bad place. This is also assuming that there were tingles in the first place. TRP implores men not to marry a used up slime dumpster who is 'not that way anymore' and be her BB who she owes sex for resources, for the obvious reason of that being pathetic and emasculating. She is either eager to fuck him out of genuine desire or she is not.
Yeah, unless it is you who is doing it :D
Again, like what? Maybe your genetic lottery endowed you with birth into the Royal family which made you naive about the world. An overwhelming majority are not as classy as you. If you mean cheating and blaming it on her SO, cold-hearted branch-swinging and divorce rape, then know that those things are extremely common, because AWALT. Women do not love and feel loyalty like men do. They may, in theory, decide not to indulge those things, but their emotional process drives them to do so. A man married to a 50 yo spunker, who suddenly has a 22 yo nena from a reggaeton music video, begging in spanglish to suck his fat dick, would find it hard to refuse the offer. That is your comparison. AMALT. It is not the same, not even fucking close.
Because TRP theory is reality. Millions of IQ-of-75 men from the desert migrating to technologically advanced societies being a great idea, is not.
You are lying. This was his first comment:
He did not name call. He pointed out something that you told me that you agreed with unless it was you doing it:
So then of course, YOU called HIM bitter, angry and 'not a man' (=man up)....................
You should tell us a bit about the classy world that you grew up in as to make us aware of what the unicorn forest is like. What have you witnessed in the castle, except your ugly ginger brother marrying a B-celebrity whore? You have stated that guys on TRP only describe trashy, low-class, damaged women's behaviour. What have your relationships been like? How and why have they ended? How many one night stands have you had, how many did you regret/how many did not count? Parents? Cheating? Branch-swinging? BB boyfriends and AF boyfriends? What kind of boy do you want to kiss and what kind of boy do you want to marry? Your N-count? Same questions about the other classy women in your social circle.
*I browsed further and saw that you are dating a guy that is earning relatively little. You also said something about marrying and forming a family in your late 20's with an intelligent, educated man. Why not marry the current guy? My bet is that he is a sexually attractive character that perfectly fits the definition of Alpha Fux, hence he gets to fuck you in your physical prime, yet you have low expectations of him as a future Beta Bux, so he will consequently be dumped for a 'mature man' when you start to get wrinkles and drying up. As a cultured woman coming from family money (of which the degree seems highly exaggerated based on the frequency of your use of the word classy), you will not trap a guy with a child, fuck a dope pusher or marry an owner of a plumbing company. Still, based on what you have said; AF, branch-swinging, BB. AWALT. AF gets the best of you, BB gets the rest of you.** What is it that you are trying to find out, really**? Classy girls from privileged homes do not behave in the same way as trailer plebs from the gutter, but you claimed to be in agreement with the biological realities common to all women. Are you using that to justify your future branch-swinging from your current AF to a wealthy BB or what is your point, other than bragging and diagnosing people of being of low socio-economic status (cringe... like wtf?)? An average man your age would not be considering what kind of woman to settle with when he is done partying, while presently dating you, because he thinks of you as his girl, not comprehending that it is merely his turn and that you are, due to your hypergamous nature, planning for a time when his provisioning of tingles will be discarded in favour of an unattractive man's provisioning of hunting rifles and furs of endangered animals on stone walls and hardwood floors. Everything that you have said thus far, unless utterly misunderstood by me, proves AWALT. What is infinitely perplexing about women is their ostensibly absolute lack of capability for objective introspection. I suppose that it is just not in the universal syntax. How can you not see it?
MuhTriggersGuise 5y ago
Okie dokie. Your opinion matters very much to me. Thank you for letting me know how you feel about me disagreeing with your hamster wheel spinning bullshit.
Here's an interesting insight. I can sleep easy knowing you think I'm not a man, am bitter and unhappy, or whatever other insult you want to throw my way. Yet here you are trying to get dozens of men's attention, to confirm you aren't a whore like all those "trashy" girls you really wish you weren't exactly the same as (which you are). Attack my masculinity, sexuality, happiness, dick size, whatever you want honey; it's obvious as fuck what's going on here.
*It's fun to go back and edit things to try to make the conversation sound different. ;) Jesus christ you have an agenda lol
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MuhTriggersGuise 5y ago
Hahaha
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MuhTriggersGuise 5y ago
"High class" women are the biggest whores on the planet honey.
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MuhTriggersGuise 5y ago
You wouldn't know "high class" if it bit you on the ass. Jesus christ. You aren't the first person to go to private school princess. You aren't impressing anyone.
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MuhTriggersGuise 5y ago
Right. You just go on and on about how "high class" you are, your private school and advanced degrees... because? This whole thread is simply because you A.) Like attention, and B.) Don't like AWALT being applied to you. Guess what? It does. What a conceited self centered twat. The most embarrassing part is all the "red pill" men giving you the time of day and humoring you for anything more than what this whole thing is actually about.
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Some people here take AWALT too far and assume all women fuck 50+ guys a year. AWALT is just a way to say that women think like women and not like men. But because most of the guys here are on the spectrum it's been made into a "rule"
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Interested in the answered here.
MuhTriggersGuise 5y ago
OP just wants attention and validation. However, since you literally are interested in the topic, let me share my opinion.
OP thinks AWALT only applies to "trashy" women. Her lessers (because she's a stuck up snobby little bitch). She "proves" this by claiming that trashy girls (anyone with less privilege than her), will sometimes try to trap men by becoming pregnant. This improves their lifestyle immensely. She then claims that only applies to trashy women, because she would never get knocked up by some random dude, because that wouldn't improve her station. Well duh, no shit. The AWALT part is a woman would do that to improve her station. What OP purposefully ignores, is given the equivalent situation (an opportunity to increase her wealth and social standing by doing something equally unscrupulous), and she'd jump at the opportunity. That is AWALT. Even beyond that, if she was somehow reduced to the poor house, and didn't have the connections she has, she is ignoring the fact that given no other option (like these girls "lesser" than her), she would do the exact same fucking thing. That's AWALT.
Key take away: OP can find behavior that women with less opportunity would do, that her, as someone with more opportunity, wouldn't. She's literally arguing that because she wouldn't branch swing down, that NAWALT. Plus she really likes attention and what's to be validated as both a special flower, and a unicorn. It's fascinating.
Alternatively, OP might just be some dude trolling lol. Who knows.
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This makes a ton of sense.
abudun79 5y ago
Haven't seen such a nice bait in quite a while.
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abudun79 5y ago
Wenn du ihn mir lutscht, vielleicht :-)
ownthatshitmanup 5y ago
I think you're just trying to make yourself feel special by distancing yourself from your so called trashy friend and associating yourself with the 'more cultured women', whatever that means.
You can make yourself feel special all you want. But no one here cares much for your education or prestige. I dated both people who went to the top schools and do corporate jobs and locals who just live freely and all women are the same. Every women is insecure in some way, all want the top guy, all want the good shit. If it gives you any comfort, all men are the same too.
So yes, social circle does not matter. AWALT applies to all just like AMALT.
Also you should really listen to yourself in this post. First you ask the most confusing question ever. Then you follow up with the most winded passage ever where my first thought was 'what the fuck are you even asking'. Since you ask different things in each paragraph ill answer each one.
paragraph 1 answer: no AWALT is not related to class.
paragraph 2 answer: just because a women is desperate to lock down and get marriage doesn't make her low class. It's only you who's labeling her as low class. Please get off your high horse. Everyone has different priorities, yours is your careers, her's is a family. so what if her wants doesn't match with yours. that doesn't make her instantly low class and trashy.
paragraph 3 answer: you just seem to really not like this girl. The first part is definitely AWALT, girls may or may not do that and it's shocking to most, but its just how it goes. The second part is just you plainly hating.
paragraph 4 answer: oh the irony. now you're telling us to become more educated and intelligent to meet lovely cultured women like you, not like those trashy hoes. This hamstering is literally awalt as well.
last line answer: suddenly you define the definition of class and money and suddenly they are 'quite separate' because you say so and it helps your description of the trashy girl you hate so much.
this whole post is a golden example of awalt in action. jealousy, hamstering, rationalising, telling men to become better to meet cultured women like themselves. I hope one day you'll see it yourself and laugh as well.
MuhTriggersGuise 5y ago
Dang man this thread is hilarious. Anyone who disagrees with her in her book is low class, needs to man the fuck up, is just angry, etc. We should sidebar this thread as a perfect example of the hamster at work.
trppr 5y ago
Why did I have to scroll so long to see this (the truth) comment...should be top of the thread.
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ownthatshitmanup 5y ago
na clearly you're the one most bothered by this. also projecting.
I don't really mind if you call me low class or any name under the sun, I know who I am.
Isn't this you? You're the one dealing with it.
Also I don't really know where you get the gist that I was low class, angry or trashy with my post. Just because I didn't bother sugarcoating it for you. It's just your emotions that you feel, I literally just gave you a nice wall of unbiased plain text.
You seem really hung up on how rich you are and how poor I supposedly am. Not that I would care if I worked in construction or corporate office, I just find it strange that you would mention that your parents occupation or how you went to a good school and I'm a blue collar. Somehow you are more entitled and better than typical trashy blue collar people because you were born to a richer family. Goodness me.
Not really bothered to type anymore. Just read each line in your response and ask yourself, 'ain't I actually talking about myself?'
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ownthatshitmanup 5y ago
no it is not. being born richer than other people or having a nicer family and being in a higher class does not make you immune to the scary awalt.
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TheGreatLeveler 5y ago
Why is your economic background relevant? A woman from a poor background might attempt to marry up out of necessity, while you do it to cultivate your status along with your financial position. The moment you marry a man with whom you intellectually and mentally connect, but who works a blue collar job or has an otherwise lesser financial position than you do, is when you can start making claims that AWALT doesn't apply to you.
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MuhTriggersGuise 5y ago
Because you're from a privileged background and his intelligence/artistic ability/garage band has more social value to you (currently). You're a stupid 23 year old. When you're 30 he'll seem like a little boy who never grew into a man, and suddenly you've "grown" and while you're "not necessarily attracted to money" you'll want a man who's "ambitious and has drive!"
It's also likely that if he's from the same social circle, while he may not be in a field that he's earning a lot, he likely has a family that will support him if needed, and he stands to inherit something. Not guaranteed, but that's a typical situation. Regardless, you, and your relationships, are not the exception. Seeing all your posts confirms AWALT.
col_carillo 5y ago
I gotta agree with this. Maybe some of this poster's replies you might be dismissing as just "angry", but this one is gold.
What you want when you're 23 is not the same as what you want when you're 30. That's the basis of AF/BB: sure you like the "cultured" guy who makes no money right now. That's usually the "guy in a band", or some emo guy who writes poetry, or in some other way rejects the social expectations of his class that he'll do something useful with his life. No one makes money at 23, so SMV is determined by other things. That changes when people hit 30 though, and all the education starts paying off.
In your social class, no one is going out with the literal "outlaw biker" (well, maybe a few :-). But they're going out with the rebels nonetheless. In rich society, the rebels are the guys who refuse to enter "boring" professions like their parents and everyone else, and choose "interesting" careers which make no money and have no future. That's what attracts a 23 year old rich girl who secretly wants to date her version of an outlaw biker. Meanwhile, the guys in your class who are spending their days in the library training for "boring" professions like STEM careers, medicine, law, etc. are viewed as boring beta chumps and are being passed over.
I don't know what your current boyfriend does, but I guarantee you this: when you're 30, if you're out-earning him, you will not find him sexy any longer. It's not even about the money: you may be earning enough to provide a great life for you, him, and kids. It won't matter. At 30, you'll convince yourself that you've "matured", and your cultured guy who can't pay for anything now is viewed as a deadbeat, unambitious loser, and you'll start eyeing that engineer who's been promoted a few times and is making decent bank, or that lawyer who's moving up the ranks in his firm and is finally earning a good salary.
Will you cheat on your romantic but poor partner? Maybe not. But you'll branch swing nonetheless. Maybe break up with him and start looking for a decent beta bux guy when you're ready to get married and have kids. If you're lucky, you'll find him. If you're not, and those beta bux guys go on TRP and get pissed that the hot 23 y/o version of you wouldn't give them the time of day when they were poor students working their ass off in boring classes, maybe you don't find the beta bux guy of your dreams and then start posting "where are all the good men?!" posts, or maybe "why are men so intimidated by a strong, intelligent woman with a good career?!", etc. etc.
My point is your class doesn't protect you from these concepts. Yes, the literal examples we often use may be considered "low class", but you're taking these examples literally and constricting your concept of these ideas in order to deny that people in your class are susceptible to them.
Will you trap a guy by getting pregnant at 23? No (you might when you're 30 and ready to have kids though). But that's not the only action that AWALT predicts.
Will you date a guy who's literally an outlaw who rides in a biker gang? Probably not. But that's not the only type of rebel loser that exists.
RivenHalf 5y ago
You're nothing more than a "pick me," a woman who deems every other woman as below her or low class to try and elevate herself as above the herd. Degrees and occupation do not exclude you or any woman from AWALT. Get off the high horse and ride back to reality.
LLL3peat 5y ago
Ill answer your questions the best I can before someone says IB4buttsex, AWALT, or some anger phase person. Answers are in bold and italics
Hey guys, I'm curious as to whether any of you have considered that AWALT might be related to class i.e. trashy women?
I wouldn't say so. All women think the same for the most part, it all depends how well you cover it up. Some are focued on their school work and are the geeky girl, but loves being dominated. The point is women love sex too.
A woman trying to trap you by getting pregnant, is behaviour I would associate with a poor/low class woman because for that woman you're her best chance out.
Women don't look to trap at the beginning, however once the age comes where you have a limited amount of time to secure resources for your offspring (social stance, monitary security, man who will never leave you because he has limited interaction with women while building his life, etc). Once his/her resources feel like they are disappearing, the trap cards, my period is late, everything in between come out to play.
If I look at myself and my friends (I'm a 23yr woman btw), we are studying to be lawyers, doctors or doing business/economics degrees and we don't want a baby yet because we are still at the stage of trying to reach our own potential. Even the concept of a 'plate' is completely foreign to my friends and I, because men want to commit to us.
No one at 23 wants to have children unless they are not from a western world country. It just happens. I apploud you all for wanting to improve and strive to be the best people you can. A plate more or less is a friend with benefits. Don't get attached by having more than one. Women do this all the time however what a woman will provide to each "plate" is different. He takes me out to dinners and listens to me. But I won't have sex with him. This guy is friend zone 150\%. This guy does my homework. etc. This guy is a good fuck however i would never date him seriously. This guy is a lot of fun and allows me to live out my fantasies, but he would be a terrible father. When one isn't giving you the attention you need, you have multiple people to talk to. The point of plates is to have options. A man with options is known as valuable to women because another woman wants him. We call this Pre-selection. If a guy isnt dating anyone or is seen with other women, something must be wrong with him so we stay far far away. Ever wonder why you become defensive when other women interact with your bf/man while you two are together/dating? You don't want to compete or share the found resources with her, only to yourself.
Don't get me wrong, I've definitely seen the behaviour you describe on here. For example, there was a girl in my private high school who broke up with her boyfriend and immediately phoned me. She then chatted to me till her ex arrived to fuck her because she couldn't face herself or the break up. I still remember how shocked I was. A lot of you would diagnose AWALT. My interpretation would actually be that she is mentally fucked up due to her family abuse, drugs, alcohol, casual sex and STD's etc. In my opinion she is not AWALT - she is low class/trashy.
She might have been trashy/low class. you name it. Post break up both parties are not emotionally stable. Things happen from all socioeconomical sides.
Do you think that if you're encountering a lot of these women perhaps it's not so much AWALT as the possibility that women in your social circle are trashy? In which case, the solution would involve gaining a more cultured circle, in order to meet more cultured women?
Not necessarily so. Not to brag about my E-Penis however in my experience the way men think and women think are completely different. Check the sidebar on how different women are in love and men are in love. The more cultured/educated means more access to higher value men/women. Simple statistic, women whom are Drs or have a PhD in their field would bauk at dating someone who has no college education...unless this man/women had a striving business and knew what they were talking about/doing. 99\% of the women I know whom have master's degree's dont want to date a man who doesnt have a post graduate degree or education themselves.
http://archive.is/HxrcF
Talking to co-workers and friends women don't date down unless the man is better in them someway some how. Has access to a better social network. Allows her to chase him. If she works for him then she is more invested and is less likely to stray.
Sidenote: I realise money and class are completely separate. The 'trashy' girl I just described had very wealthy parents.
Class and money change your social standing and what people you have access to at birth/through primary school and sometimes college. Public vs private, etc.
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Wealth and ‘class’ have nothing to do with character.
Rich whores doing coke looks cool. Poor whores doing coke looks trashy.
Rich whores whoring with rich men them looks like the life of a social climber debutant. Poor whores whoring with working classmen looks like ‘trash’.
Get over yourself.
trppr 5y ago
I've always observed that people who use the term low class or high class are indeed ones of low class.
If you are of a higher social standing, there is no need to speak in such terms because you don't need to convince others of what you are or distract them or differentiate yourself.
MuhTriggersGuise 5y ago
You're spot on man. It's kind of like how the car brand most often driven by millionaires is Toyota, with the most driven model being the Camry. "High class" people tend not to try to advertise wealth and affluence, and tend to prefer reliability and value. It's the low class fakers driving BMWs on high interest rate loans who run around calling everyone else "low class". Here we have a 23 year old child talking about the proverbial BMW her daddy bought her, and how she's some hot shit. The only sad part is how much mileage she's getting out of these "TRP men" here.
killabeesindafront 5y ago
You're currently at your peak if you're speaking about SMV
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killabeesindafront 5y ago
Are you a med student
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killabeesindafront 5y ago
You're such a woman. I ask a yes or no question and your response is neither one of those
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killabeesindafront 5y ago
Of course it's a trap. Why would I be talking to you
cl3537 5y ago
You are 23, driven and motivated to work hard and get a professional degree and have a good paying career. A good catch so far if you have decent looks.
However if you stay selfish and focused on your career and ride the cock carousel for 7 years and are now 30 you aren't the women men want to commit to much anymore. You may think your value increased over those 7 years but we don't see it that way.
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a_desert_creature 5y ago
This is the attitude that leaves women hunting for scraps near the end of their fertility window. You'll never attract the same quality of man at 27 as you will at 23, let alone 33.
Have children early, snag the best man you possibly can at the peak of your SMV. There are decades of time left after the kids are gone to pursue your career. Your fertility, and therefore your SMV, has a short expiration date.
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a_desert_creature 5y ago
Yes. I do. I have first hand experience, do you?
That is a bullshit excuse, it comes down to priorities and motivation.
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AWALT is not over represented in poor people. Poor people just don’t have the status and luxury products to cover up and fool others into thinking they are somehow superior to others.
Women are women, wealth changes the social mask which may be very convincing,but the firmware built by mama nature is the same underneath.
MuhTriggersGuise 5y ago
I'm a little irritated that you PM'd me about all the stuff you keep putting in your vagina.
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col_carillo 5y ago
Hi there. First of all, kudos for being a woman and braving the world of TRP :-) There's a lot of misogyny on these forums even though, IMHO, the fundamental points of TRP aren't misogynistic.
Here's where I think your argument goes wrong:
1) You talk about one specific behavior, trapping a guy by getting pregnant, and use that to talk about AWALT in general. You're right that in your "class" i.e. women working towards advanced degrees or tough careers, no one wants to get pregnant at 23. It's highly unlikely any of you are teenage moms either. So yes, I agree that you don't engage in that particular behavior.
But AWALT isn't strictly about getting pregnant. It's the more general idea that women are just as promiscuous as men (by definition: the average man's n-count must be balanced by the average woman's n-count; it's mathematically impossible them to be unequal), and just as -- if not more -- disloyal than men when it comes to staying in or valuing a relationship. Taking your friends, I suspect they're not interested in a committed relationship right now, because they're too busy working on their career goals. Does that mean they're not having sex? Highly unlikely. More likely is that they're having lots of superficial relationships to satisfy their sexual cravings and/or their need for other forms of intimacy with the idea that they'll "settle down" later. And who are they choosing for these relationships? Not the "nice guys" that they plan to settle down with later. But the hot guys, the exciting guys who can show them a good time, etc. The hookup culture is alive and well even in our most elite institutions. It's not just something that the proles do.
2) Your argument is a tautology because you are defining what's trashy by the fact that they are AWALT. If you define cultured as not-AWALT and trashy as AWALT, then of course, you are correct by definition. But that's not how people define cultured and trashy. Your friend meets the common definition of cultured: she's wealthy, probably had a "good upbringing", went to a good private school, and will probably go on to a good college, probably have a good career, etc. In what way does she not meet the definition of "cultured" as most of us (including you) consider it? And if she does, then doesn't she disprove your assertion?
3) You say that the concept of plates is foreign because men want to commit to you. I'm curious: do you commit to them? Are you and your friends married? Or at least in monogamous, long-term relationships? I suspect not yet: you're young, you're focused on your career, and you assume those guys will still be around in 5-10 years when you're ready to get married, right? In the meantime, who are you and your friends dating? Or are you all nuns? AWALT doesn't necessarily mean cheating. Divorcing / breaking up with a good guy you're in an LTR with, because you find someone hotter / more exciting / more fun, is AWALT behavior too.
4) Believe it or not, I wish you were right, that it was that easy to distinguish AWALT vs non-AWALT girls by simply looking at their "class". That would make it super easy to find a good woman to settle down with. I can only speak for myself but I think a lot of guys on here would agree with me, that we *want* to find a great woman to settle down with, raise a family, and take on the world together. In that way, we're on your side and wishing you were right that it was that easy. Unfortunately, our experience tells us it's not. The entire hookup culture started in colleges. Given that less than half of Americans go to college, that means "trashy" people actually probably participate less in it than college kids. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, except that trashy people aren't the ones who can afford to go to Vegas. Neither are they the ones enrolling in study abroad programs where they plow their way through a multitude of exotic guys.
Anyway, those are my thoughts. I run in the same economic / educational / social circles as you and your friends and, FWIW, my observations of their behavior have been no different really than so-called "low class" women.
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col_carillo 5y ago
Let me qualify myself so that you don't dismiss my views as just some jealous guy on the outside looking into your privileged kingdom: I can not only distinguish Brahms from Beethoven, but I'll debate the merits of Karajan vs. Solti vs. Klemperer in their renditions of Beethoven's symphonies. Wagner's operas are not nearly as fun to see live as Puccini's (I'll take La Boheme over the Ring Cycle any day). Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel blew me away when I saw it in person: pictures don't convey just how enormous and detailed his frescoes are. Nietzsche is awesome but commonly misinterpreted by the superficial anarchists who claim him. Do I meet your bar for "cultured" or do I have to toss in politics and theater as well? :-)
My point in revealing all of this is not to puff myself up, it's so that you'll believe me when I say that culture has fuck all to do with character. You can be desperately poor, think Vegas is classy, and still have good character inside. OTOH, you can be able to debate the finer points of the development of linear perspective in western art and be completely rotten inside.
If you think that just because you and your friends have "culture" that it keeps you from making the same decisions as "low class" people, that's where you're wrong. And if you believe that, it'll lull you into a sense of complacency about what really drives you and other women. If you truly don't want to be an AWALT woman, learn what AWALT means, accept that you are susceptible to it despite your culture and intelligence, and then *consciously* work to keep those tendencies in check. When a married woman, cultured or uncultured, meets an alpha guy and has lustful thoughts about him, no one can blame her (even on TRP: the answer for the husband is don't be upset, be *better* than the other guy). What matters is what you do about it: do you divorce your husband, deprive your children of a father, and throw away years of a shared life in pursuit of the tingles? Or do you enjoy the view but ultimately come home and love and value your husband regardless? And that depends on your character, and your understanding that tingles are not the same as love. And you don't get that character nor that understanding by reading Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics (trust me; I've read it and the word tingles never appears ;-).
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col_carillo 5y ago
I thought you had a boyfriend. Does this mean I get to call AWALT? ;-)
Here's a humorous take on young women and their "romances" while studying abroad in Europe:
https://www.theonion.com/european-men-are-so-much-more-romantic-than-american-me-1819594261
PS I can't date someone who'd choose a 20 hour morose German opera about the death of the Gods and the end of civilization over an exhilarating tale of being young and in love in bohemian Paris. It doesn't bode well for the compatibility of our worldviews :-)
SweatyAdvance 5y ago
All you stupid mother fuckers trying to debate with this woman...have you learned nothing?
She isn't here to learn anything. Christ, you all suck at this. Ignore her and move on.
mr-magician 5y ago
hi, your post is quite interesting because I head a lot about similar situations.
First, you are young, intelligent and (I think) quite good looking (let's say a 8).
So many men are trowing on you, but not all of them. the best are not giving you real monogamy and commitment (for best I means 8+, educated etc)
Then you, as every girl, have some choices:
1: find a average men than give you real commitment (not cheat etc) and simple ignore the attractions that the better men are giving you)
2: like the number one but cheating with the better men
3: find a 8+ man and experience the "I'm with you but I have a trip this weekend alone", or "this weekend I'm busy", and look the things deteriorate
4: go with the 8+ men without monogamy and enjoy the life until 30+, then settle with a 7.
it look that you take the number one, so it is really good for you and your boyfriend, but so, please explain us, how do you manage to ignore the "tingles" of the better men that you are meeting around?
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MuhTriggersGuise 5y ago
Keyword: Immediately. It takes some time for the hamster to spin that wheel up.
LLL3peat 5y ago
No one said you're being used. It's not the point. Both sides figure out if they want things to go further and you find out after dating them for awhile. Keep things simple, or not. Usually you find out from the beginning by asking what are you looking for. No one said you are going to jump and cheat right there and then. However if the guy starts to mess up, then you start to look elsewhere as you feel your attention could be appreicated somewhere else instead.
women don't tell you 100% point blank, its in hints. some men understand and some dont. usually its when the women is on the way out is when the guy figures it out.
95% of women want to have as much as possible and then get serious around 26-27 to start a family potentially before 30. the guys whom didnt get attention 18-26 who now have their lives together see how things have changed, and will pump and dump those who didnt care about them when they were young, and date the young ones they dreamed about while those first couple years in college.
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MuhTriggersGuise 5y ago
So you're methodical about your branch swinging. Good for you.
boy_named_su 5y ago
Some girls leave the market permanently early on. The ones that marry their high school sweethearts and never divorce. So we're dealing with a non random sample
We see the leftovers. So AWALT might only apply to them. But it's kinda moot unless you're in high school
bob13bob 5y ago
I've commentated on the class divide in these subs, u can read my previous history. The best of Trp has truths because it's addressing a dark side to human sexuality and cites scientific data on it.
There is a strong bias in here from heart broken men, so negatives are heavily exaggerated compared to general population.
I rub elbows with ivy Leaguers who have pedigree at top law firms. They struggle with red pill just like the rest of the pop.
Yes, marriages are less trashy because both men and women are high earners, which give a lot less incentive to divorce compared to a large earning potential difference couple.
Your age has a challenge because there is only one college graduate man for 2 women. This is a crazy reversal of marrying equal or up.
Listen to Jordan Peterson on youtube, he addresses high achieving women. I know of a woman law firm partner who regrets he decision to put career first, she has no kids even if she makes over a million a year.
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bob13bob 5y ago
i'm not saying halt development for not meeting a husband. I disagree with most on here, high earning men in the bay area actually care about your earning power.
jordan peterson says many people, men and women, chase money at sacrifice of other things in their life and come to regret it later. don't forget to look up from the grindstone every once in awhile to see if what youre doing is making you happy. it's definitely better to be rich than poor, but how rich do people need to be?