I know some people give a bad rep by saying derrogative terms toward women. But what the red pill is about in general is overall self improvement of oneself. Why do people not hate on feminist pride, but when we have masculine pride your labeled as a mysoginistic dickhead?
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ppanthero 7y ago
Off topic - but whats the thing with americans using the word liberal completely contradictory to it's origin? Liberal means freedom. Leftist ideology is mostly totalitarian as fuck, so essential the complete opposite. Ever read the Austrians (Hayek, Mises, ...)? They were liberals, but in the very best sense of the meaning. Nowhere close to what in the US is considered liberal today.
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LateralThinker13 7y ago
More specifically, Liberal - mostly synonymous with Progressive, i.e. Progress, means change or progress towards their (dys)utopian ideal. Which is Marxist socialism if you take their ideas to the logical conclusion.
Conservatism, loosely allied with Libertarianism, wants to conserve what works about existing society. It isn't anti-change, it just follows the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" motto.
RP says that men and women are different, AWALT, etc. This is a VERY old message about human nature that the liberals reject. They see it as antiquated, abusive, unfair, etc. Conservatives tend to lean that way anyways because, regardless of how fair RP truths are, they WORK. Not only on an individual level, but they make society function.
Liberal values cause societies to eventually collapse.
blister333 7y ago
most liberals don't want communism or socialism. i dont know why everyone here mentions that like democrats are on the brink of completely wiping out a capitalist-based society.
LateralThinker13 7y ago
This is because the majority of the elected democrats in congress, the mainstream news media, and a plethora of woke/SJW/leftist institutions ranging from NOW to Everytown to Facebook, want hate crime control/censorship/gun control/more aid to the poor/gender quotas/tone policing/wage gap fixes/etc. and all of that requires more government. They always want more government, more control. Not local Federalism, but top down statism, and always with the power in their hands. Ban speech, but only people on the right like Milo or Lauren Southern or Rush. It's okay to punch a nonviolent Nazi because they're Nazi's - thought crime is crime. You have craziness like word rape and regret rape and #metoo where the process and the accusation are the punishment.
All this is statism. All this is what we hear that liberals want; the folks you're talking about are mostly old-school liberals, which is pretty much libertarianism (small-L) these days.
Now, they rarely call it socialism/communism in the US because we still have a pretty negative association in the US with those words. But why is it that the declared socialist and communists in the US (there are plenty, such as the Socialist Party USA) are always voting Democrat?
It's Democrats that always want more government programs, more government controls, more NSA. And those are antithetical to a capitalism-based society.
blister333 7y ago
well its not always more govt, just change the way the gov't works for people instead of the super rich. also not sure why you're against people having power in their hands, we've seen what happens when the 'free market' runs the show- reduced regulations and laissez-faire attitudes have helped crash the economy, and they've outsourced/automated jobs as well. sometimes gov't interference is good, sometimes its bad. i wouldnt make a sweeping statements in either direction. why are KKK members voting for trump? there are always fringe fanatics voting in elections for one of the two parties. as far as more gov't controls and NSA- it was bush who pushed the patriot act through
LateralThinker13 7y ago
Yeah, and he's more of an establishment centrist like McCain, not a conservative like, say, Ted Cruz.
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LateralThinker13 7y ago
James Damore stated demonstrable, statistical facts, and was crucified for it by the PC Police.
This reminds me of a recent article out of California, one where the metro transit wouldn't publish crime rates on the metro because it would make minorities look bad. /eyeroll
IncommutableOwl 7y ago
Good on you. I’m Mexican and every time I hear these people say, “ We stand with people of color...” I just shake my head. They don’t know me and are just using my “status” to push their agenda. It’s garbage, judge me on my individual content of character and nothing else.
M23W0OH7FV2t 7y ago
Spoken as someone whose butthurt at being rejected by Google.
PreOrgasmGroanLness 7y ago
Not really; Google being exceptionally PC is a fact that you can read on the Internet.
M23W0OH7FV2t 7y ago
Whatever, buddy. You couldn't get in and you're butthurt, it's ok.
JuiceTen44 7y ago
Have you even read Damore's memo?
M23W0OH7FV2t 7y ago
Yea, I did. I think it was pretty idiotic of him and I'm not surprised he was axed. But the fact that he was able to get in, fabricating his credentials is what got him axed, not the views he held.
Ever notice he doesn't show any teams he worked on at Google for 3 years? My contacts at Google are all proud of the products they work on, one was the transition manager for Android while in London, for instance -- Andy Rubin would report to him, in other words.
JuiceTen44 7y ago
Can you provide some evidence of him fabricating his credentials?
Sounds quite interesting.
M23W0OH7FV2t 7y ago
He claimed to have a PhD and didn't.
JuiceTen44 7y ago
It's stated in this article: http://uk.businessinsider.com/james-damore-removes-phd-studies-linkedin-2017-8
That Damore was fired for breaking Google's 'code of conduct' after posting the memo.
Although I think saying that you have completed a PhD when you haven't is stupid.
M23W0OH7FV2t 7y ago
A code of conduct which includes misrepresenting one's credentials.
JuiceTen44 7y ago
Did you even read the article?
cl3537 7y ago
Redpill isn't just about self improvement, it is about spinning plates, fucking women without commitment, and in general being as selfish as possible.
Yes you prevent yourself from being mistreated by women but many here genuinely speak ill of women and advocate treating them badly as well. While these things are not strictly in the spirit of TRP they are a byproduct of the strict rules and behavior that is advocated here.
Ultimately if your goals with women are to quickly sleep with them and they are different from hers (you don't want commitment and she does) than there is deception and a dishonest relationship at the outset.
Even if you avoid making your intentions clear and avoid her making hers clear to you that dynamic is not going to be seen favorably by most people.
Casd12 7y ago
because it destroys the egos of men and women, it destroys the disney narrative we are taught from childhood, it causes discomfort and connotative dissonance
[deleted] 7y ago
Why do you care?
MYMOUTHISNUMmn 7y ago
It's called curiosity,bud.
[deleted] 7y ago
Women hate it because it works. Men hate it because it's hard. Most men don't want to lift, don't want to "own their shit", don't want to follow their mission, don't want to stop orbiting and don't want to "next" their oneitis.
When "The Rules" came out in 1995, men hated it because it worked; women hated it because they didn't want to do the hard work that "The Rules" required.
Moreofmore 7y ago
Most people hate billionaires for the same reason. This is about a different marketplace here.
RampantTyr 7y ago
There are plenty of reasons for the hate, some warranted and some unwarranted.
Red pill philosophy has some pros in teaching men to have more self confidence and to respect themselves. But a lot of people have issues with boiling down romantic and sexual relationships down to game theory. It can be effective on some, but on the whole is a rather callous way to go about life.
And of course there is all the misogyny going around. It isn't everyone, but it is a lot of people here. It is pretty much inherent in the philosophy at some point or another along the stages of development.
[deleted] 7y ago
Why do people hate on anything?
If it goes against what they believe in, people will hate on it. That can be said about any group.
Just as BluePill hates RedPill, RedPill hates BluePill.
Instead of ignoring each other and living their lives as they want (because what BP does has no effect on the lives of RP, and vice versa), they would rather spend their days calling each other shitty. That's life.
Impayingformymistake 7y ago
People are always threatened by things they don't understand or things that they do not want to understand. When people are threatened, they hate. Furthermore, millions of women around the world, as well as a large part of the economy, is dependent on men being beta as fuck. When their entire system is threatened, it is only natural for them to demonize the RedPill.
Think of it this way. If you were successfully running a scam, making countless amounts of money, how would you react to a rogue coming in and calling you out on your scam? You'd hate him. You'd demonize him. You'd try to discredit, slander, and ultimately end him. This parallels the exact response that the RedPill garners from the wider world.
Ou-tis 7y ago
If you read the sidebar,you can get your persona idea of why people have their ego wrapped around some concepts. Once the ego is hooked,they will defend it defending the ideas they wrogly associate with themselves. I'm not native,it's not a easy topic to write on.
bcdude2 7y ago
Have you read these threads? Half of them is talking shit about "blue pillers" and how they are "alpha" and how they are "superior". Some threads are even alpha vs alpha threads. Plus hardcore RP can only seem to see one side of the picture and the winner of each argument is that they get laid more.
Anyway, I like seeing other people's point of view. I don't "hate" TRP but I don't agree with what most of what they say. Though I mean, I guess it works. But man you could follow 3 of their rules and nothing else and it would probably work equally.
Lift - yes, people in shape score easier. Fact of life. Though I can tell you it doesnt have to be bulk; plenty of girls don't like the super muscular. All girls like a guy in shape though.
Make money - Yep. Way easier to score with money. Though I'd say "Blue pillers" were ahead in this one.
You can do those 3 and not be a dickhead and act superior and you'll get laid just fine. In fact, you can act like a super nice dude and you'll be fine and get laid too.
Gunter5 7y ago
Totally agree... I think the sub gets a lot of hate because of a whole bunch of people are constantly talking how alpha they are and taking every concept to the extreme.
I'd add hobbies and no talking about trp
LaV-Man 7y ago
Getting paid was always a consequence of TRP philosophy not the ultimate goal.
This is half the reason it has turned to shit.
Only people not getting laid obsess over getting laid.
I remember about a year ago reading a post were the OP was talking about reading a book or two, having some culture and material to talk about besides 'how alpha you are', and even being familiar with pop culture (again so you can hold a conversation). But those days seem to be gone.
[deleted] 7y ago
I agreed with everything you said, except this.
bcdude2 7y ago
Most people confuse being nice and being the "nice guy" who is clingy and friendzoned and always at her side. Yes, the latter needs work on his shit. Seems like many Red Pillers were an ex-nice guy.
You can still be a gentleman and nice to a chick and not be the the "nice guy". While it might not work on girls that go for the "RP attitude", it works just fine overall and the quality of girls, in my experience, go up.
Ex. Go to a bar and if some girl is pleasant to you, and you her a drink. The difference is in the "nice guy" view, she owes you conversation and a number and if you keep pushing, no one likes that.
Truth is, if you're going to buy someone a drink, do it cause you want to. Dont expect nothing from it. Walk away or if she wants to keep the conversation going, she will, or will do so later. It's your attitude of how you don't really care if she talks to you or not that attracts her. And you in no way had to be a dick to do this.
bcdude2 7y ago
Oh yeah, RP has a word for this. Don't be an Orbiter! Goes both ways, RP or BP.
Ill_Will7 1 7y ago
Dont hate the player hate the game
huge_gap 7y ago
They hate us because they aintus.
MYMOUTHISNUMmn 7y ago
Anus*
[deleted] 7y ago
The Red Pill, by definition is hard to digest. Look around at how many fat people there are and you have your answer. People don't like eating healthy for the same reason they don't like the truth. It's Hard.
[deleted] 7y ago
People are sore sports. That's about it. They're just player haters.
When you start to man up and take care of your shit to put it in layman's terms.. You realize how directionless and lost most people around you are. When you're fit, educated, handsome, have a life, have shit going for you, not too depressed.. You're in the top 20% of guys and ultimately become what you once hated for his success and your lack thereof - chad.
TL;DR : Envy.
SovereignSoul76 7y ago
They hate us cuz they ain't us.
crespo_modesto 7y ago
cuz they anus
beefthathasredmiddle 7y ago
The lessons the red-pill offers are generally good to apply to your life, I'm not disputing that. Though it gets it's hate from the way it goes about it. On a surface level it's a hateful place, you have to go deeper to find the good, and not many people are willing to go deeper, and choose to judge by it's cover.
markdumte 7y ago
I disagree. You will think it is a hateful place only if you are a pussy or have been brought up like a pussy. Speaking directly and even rough is not hateful, it is how men speak.
Red pill is not hateful. You can only think that way if you have been brought up in a feminized society and your standards are all fucked up.
beefthathasredmiddle 7y ago
Exhibit A:
bcdude2 7y ago
I can guarantee you I am not a pussy and in RP eyes on women, I have definitely been "brought up" a pussy. The hate isn't because you speak direct, it's because the direct things you say are extremes of one side and really kind of put all women in 1 category whereas in real life, women and men aren't placed nicely in exact categories.
LaV-Man 7y ago
^ This attitude right here is why it's turning to complete shit.
Insulting people and claiming it's not hateful. Excellent.
Generalizing about people is ignorance. Ignorance is not 'alpha'.
Calling people names is juvenile, which is not 'alpha'.
Being obtuse is not 'alpha'.
Being inflexible and insulting to anyone who doesn't think like you is not 'alpha'.
If you are so incapable of intelligently arguing your point of view, that you have to resort to those sorts of things (above); you are not 'alpha'.
VasiliyZaitzev 7y ago
Modern liberalism is a philosophy is based on fundamentally false premises, that go against human nature, the Lies can only be maintained by keeping them hermetically sealed away from the truth. They must be preserved, like Lenin's corpse. Anyone telling the truth must be savagely, brutally attacked and destroyed. Why? Because the Truth represents an existential threat.
The Lies must must be repeated like Articles of Faith and any deviation from them must be crushed. That's why their primary weapon is ridicule - dissidents must be "named and shamed!" and FIRED if possible. Why? Because all dissent must be crushed, and their bodies hung along the Appian Way. Can't have anyone thinking too much. They want the Betas just smart enough to run the machines and support everyone, and not ask questions.
To understand your enemy, you need to understand postmodernism, as well as Critical Theory, Deconstructionism and the Frankfurt School for starters. Derrida, et. al., were a fucking CANCER.
EDIT: See longer discussion here.
[deleted] 7y ago
Why does RP believe that their beliefs are "the truth", rather than their interpretations?
I ask this because both sides, BP and RP, believe that they are "right". And if we are being fair, there is no objective way to prove either side "wrong".
VasiliyZaitzev 7y ago
I don't have to convince you of anything - take a look around and make your own mind up.
The leftoid maneuver is to shame, ridicule, assault and shut down. To wit, here are group of short pants Stalinists blocking the entrance to a lecture by Dr. Warren Farrell at the University of Toronto. Dr. Farrell was, at that time 69 years old and about as intimidating as a fluffy kitten. For anyone interested, here is the talk he was giving. Note that, while the protesters were trying to shut down speech they disagree with, Dr. Farrell invited discussion of the protest and views from all sides.
Dr Jordan Peterson gave a talk at Queen's University, complete with protesters using noisemakers, stomping, pounding on windows and demonstrating their broad knowledge of Anglo Saxon curse words. This was the "Lock them in and burn it down!" protest. Anyone interested in Dr. Peterson's talk can view it here, complete with protesters in the hall starting after 9:45. Dr. Peterson correctly diagnoses the problem - pure narcissism, bad socialization and poor education by leftist professors - at 10:49, and following.
This isn't a "Canada Only" thing; Dr. Charles Murray - then aged 74 - was shouted down, assaulted and driven from the lecture hall at Middlebury College. Oh, and this is what it was like to be a Trump supporter attending a San Jose rally. And I don't mean "confronting people at" I mean "attending". Similar shit happened in Minnesota, Seattle, Phoenix and San Diego (IIRC).
Back on sexual strategy, the new blue pill is designed to advantage women and disadvantage men. So that's why "No means No" got replaced by "Yes means Yes". And Ezra Klein at Vox wants men to feel a "cold spike of fear" before they engage in consensual sex.
Also, what works better as a sexual strategy for men? TRP or just "being yourself", taking what the world gives you, doing what women want, etc.? And sure, "nice guys" sometimes get laid, but if I said "Men are generally taller than women" finding that some women are taller than some men (which is true), doesn't invalidate the original point.
Anyway, go out into the world and see what works for you and report back.
[deleted] 7y ago
Thank you for the reply. Definitely a good read
VasiliyZaitzev 7y ago
Something else to bear in mind is that, if being reliable, diligent, studious and a good worker and provider was rewarded in the sexual marketplace, why are Asian guys not drowning in pussy? Instead it's "NOWAG" - "No one with Asian guys".
Put another way, "I can't believe she dumped me for that NICE GUY!!!" - said no Outlaw Biker, ever.
If "Just Being Yourself" and Pedestalizing The Pussy got rewarded with attention and sex, then TRP would be all about how to "Just Be Yourself", and "The Pedestal: How High Should It Be?"
blister333 7y ago
Dumb betas who can only work their worthless jobs and have shitty lives is republican 101 in America. What political party do you think the wal mart greeter in Alabama is?
VasiliyZaitzev 7y ago
You're missing the point. Once can be red pill and be liberal or conservative, one can be blue pill and liberal or conservative. Conservative blue pills are usually "trad cons".
The point is that post modernism is a cancer and is an absolute threat to the values of the West: free speech, common sense and equality under the law.
Saying that "Oh, but Republicans!" doesn't mean shit. I regard the right as being like a sprained elbow and the SJW left as cancer; one is irritating as fuck but the latter is trying to kill you.
blister333 7y ago
lol they are not trying to kill you. ignoring climate change might actually kill you. crying about genders is silly but mostly harmless. the right (and pre-approved left like hil-dawg and obama) wanna keep firing up the war machine too
VasiliyZaitzev 7y ago
I'm 50, climate change won't come soon enough to kill me. There are two greater likelihoods for my demise: heart disease or angry father.
I used to think that, back in the 80s and 90s when there were only two genders. I particularly care how individuals self-define, but I do care when suddenly they have the force of law behind their particular mental illness.
Big time. But as you admit, it's a wash. I am mostly post political, but, although I believe Trump is a deeply flawed human being, he has also not gotten us involved in any more stupid wars that weren't already going on when he was sworn in. HRC would have had us in Libya or Syria or (most likely) both. The West need not be in any wars because one group of Sand People can't get along with another group of Sand People, or because the Moslems want to inflict their particular brand of "crazy" on us normies.
And before anyone chimes in with "BUT CHRISTIANS!" so fucking what? The Westboro Baptist crowd are truly awful human beings, but when they protest a funeral or gay marriage or whatever it doesn't end in a gun battle or a homicide bombing.
F0rward- 7y ago
I agree with this, I'm in school but am from a rural area that is very, very republican. All the guys around there are happy wife happy life types, plenty of dumb betas on the right.
VasiliyZaitzev 7y ago
RP/BP shouldn't be confused with political orientation. One can be liberal and RP, although that's not the trend. And one can be conservative and BP (e.g. tradcons).
F0rward- 7y ago
Yeah I just point that out because I see a lot of liberal = BP, conservative = RP. I don't consider myself liberal, but definitely am surrounded by tradcons.
VasiliyZaitzev 7y ago
Yep. Of the tradcons I know only two couples are still together. One pair is like super-extra Catholic and the other pair (as well as the first, really) were basically "no hopers" who settled for each other. Good for them, if they're happy. /shrugs
blister333 7y ago
yep they're the kind to marry right out of college to the "love of their life" and believe in "traditional roles" aka marriage like a blind fool.
[deleted] 7y ago
What about the Walmart greeter in New Jersey? Yes, there are betas on both sides of the aisle but liberalism as an ideology is fundamentally beta.
blister333 7y ago
I don’t agree. And most of the nationalists who are on trp are huge betas whining about globalism and how their jobs are gone.
[deleted] 7y ago
Whether you agree or not is irrelevant, look who is attracted to Red Pill theory and look who isn’t.
blister333 7y ago
that would be betas trying to re-invent themselves
[deleted] 7y ago
You’re probably right but for the third time now, red pill theory is fundamentally aligned with Republican world views (reality based, doesn’t give a shit about your emotions, etc.).
blister333 7y ago
Reality based? The party of Christians?
[deleted] 7y ago
And you’re the party of 300 genders bro.
VasiliyZaitzev 7y ago
BOOM! mic drop!
blister333 7y ago
yea we're pretty bad with genders. not as bad as republicans on climate change would will lead to significant deaths if not dealt with.
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MadDannyBear 7y ago
They've been conditioned since birth to treat and think of women in a certain way. They've also seen that the guys who go against these ideas, get the girls ("why do girls only like assholes when I would treat them right???") The brain doesn't handle cognitive dissonance well so they come up with other "logical" conclusions to why redpill philosophies work. So in their minds the only reason it works is because we are woman manipulating misogynists and for some unknown reason women are into that but don't know any better (which, ironically is the real misogyny), it couldn't possibly be because we actually took the time to understand the human psychology and gender roles that have been developed/reinforced over millions of years.
[deleted] 7y ago
Because it violates the status quo.
See, TRP isn't new per say. Men have always sought to improve themselves in one way or another, share stories about what to do with women etc.
TRP has gone one step further. It's raided the digital library to explore the paths of psychology, both modern and evolutionary. History, sociology, political ideologies (Try and find a socialist here, good luck), biology.
Stuck it all together and came out with a "How to succeed in life for dummies" guide in practically every sphere of life, or at least will redirect you down the right paths e.g. diet/exercise etc.
It's the Digital Dad your father wished he was for lost boys.
AttentionDenail 7y ago
This. The father who was never there to teach us
onionbootyfan 7y ago
It's the same as telling a statist that the government is highly inefficient and ineffective at virtually everything they get involved in, they don't want the reality shattered. It's the classic case of "My mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts."
LaV-Man 7y ago
Because a bunch of 'bros' took something positive and turned it into a 'how to get laid'/'do you even lift?' condescending circle jerk of the worst parts of masculinity.
Basically a caricature of the greek culture on campus.