If you saw my last post, you'll know about about the skinny asshole whose been messing with me for being a wrestler.
Recieved advice to rough him a bit. Decided not to get too hard on him or take him to the ground, because of repercussions.
A couple of hours ago, after school, I saw him with a bunch of other student government kids. He sees me, starts talking shit about wrestling and me being gay.
I walked up to him and pinned him against a wall, and told him he was a little bitch. I expected him, at the very least, to fight back or be scared. He didn't really have either reaction. He just smirks at me and goes, 'jesus Christ, I'm being molested. so this is why you like wrestling so much, lots of intimacy with other guys. Enjoying it?' All the kids, including some of the guys on my wrestling team, laughed.
I decided fuck it, if I punch him, he won't mess with me. So I punched him on the jaw. He winced, but after a moment just said, 'so you're into BDSM too, rough shit?' Everyone was laughing.
I don't even know he managed to turn a situation where I was literally beating him up into a win for him. My parents were called, I got 3 days ISS, and on top of it, I'm just checking my snapchat, and everyone had posted it on their stories and were laughing at me. Even the kid who was shit talking me posted a selfie with his new bruise, with the text: my name likes it rough.
Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. What do I do?
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trpthrowaway2003 5y ago
To be fair, he is playing this with perfection.
You are kind of damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
Just ignore him, it will take the fun away for him.
Also, if you're gonna hit someone in the jaw.. Do it hard enough so they can't talk after, let alone think of a tagline to ruin you.
Your credibility and reputation are pretty much fucked now though.
Studioyacht 5y ago
Is there anything I can do about it?
Faost42 5y ago
Fuck him in the ass. He'll love it cause he's repressing his own sexuality. He's homosexual.
If you don't wanna fuck him, go to a Sexshop and buy one of those forearms/fists for fisting. Tell him it's a present. Because you know he was wants it.
trpthrowaway2003 5y ago
My advice, just ignore him.
He will either move on, or escalate.
You could try to call him out for his unhealthy obsession with you, but I don't think you should get into a battle of wits with him. Because from your posts, you're at the disadvantage.
Yeah man, how he reacted to your reaction is pretty much checkmate.
I honestly don't know how you come back from this with how social media works and the damage you have taken.
Think of it like this.. You're 100% in his frame. Not letting him pull you into his frame is all you can really do.
Studioyacht 5y ago
I'm not the only person he's done this to, he messes with people just because he's an asshole: he bullies people for being atheists, for being religious, for being too liberal, for being too conservative, et cetera.
Most victims just transfer away or just become loners. Idk, man.
trpthrowaway2003 5y ago
Just ignore him man.
If people give you shit, simply tell them that you aren't going to let your ego, and this stupid cunt ruin your future by getting you to do something drastic.
Every time he runs his mouth, just remind him that he's just a coward, who does nothing but run his mouth. You punched him square in the jaw, and he didn't fight back.
If he calls you gay from afar or whatever.. Just blow him kisses, and keep on walking.
Edit: I think a big problem you're going to run into, is this kid is apparently fucking hilarious. The bdsm line after you punched him, makes me like him.
Ohboohoolittlegirl 5y ago
I've been like this guy. The best thing you can do is take the sport out of it. Ignore him, or amplify.. the only options available. He's probably quickwitted and confident in his game.. Unless you can play the witgame, you lost already... ignore his ass. Or even better, smile at him, snort and move on.
Ricklogical 5y ago
So its harassment. Record it and get him in trouble. Get everyone together that he fucks with and ruin his fun.
Become this dudes best friend. Kill him with kindness. Get to know him, his family, whatever he does after school. Be around him all the time. Record everything. Tell him you just want to be friends, ask him nicely to stop being rude. Tell him hes acting like a little kid. Tell him hes on some middle school shit.
It's the equivalent of fart jokes. He is literally making fun of you for something that raises your smv.
Hes trash and what he says and the reputation you have wont matter outside of school. Which is where you should focus. Game women in other schools and dont worry about this guy till hes there. Make him nothing and realize he has serious social and mental issues.
You should feel sorry for him, hes the sort of piece of shit who gets slashed tires and beer bottles smashed into his windshield. His things get stolen and thrown away. His locker jams or he finds it open with everything pulled out.
He cant leave school grounds without getting fucked with.
Never openly attack such a dude in public. Hes a weasel. Treat him like the little stinky rat he is.
He doesnt sound original or uplifting. Hes fast food and people who eat that shit up are weak as well.
This shouldn't hurt you, work to rise above it.
HurricaneHugues 5y ago
If he tries you again, look at him square in the eyes and say loudly "You're stopping with this fuck shit right now. I don't do that gay shit you're into. I'm not interested. Go find yourself a boyfriend somewhere else". Then dip.
Lambdal7 5y ago
Just hug him everytime he teases you and squeeze him a bit randomly. Tell him that you’re really gay, make him uncomfortable, take it with a smirk.
Apologize for hitting him, say it was because of your attraction to him. Slap him on his ass, be girly around him. Ask him if he wants to go on a date. Spread a rumor that he he said he said he is impressed by your muscles and that it looks hot and that he’s jealous of all the attention that you’re getting from the girls.
Agree and amplify.
allcryptal 5y ago
Yep. This. Agree and amplify always. Some guys while out try to be AMOG everywhere they go. They test me, and I just agree and amplify. Whether that's blowing kisses or pretending to suck a dick, I get the laughs, they lose the frame. Sounds gay but gotta fight fire with fire.
derrtderr 5y ago
Have none of you seen Fight Club? Remember when Brad Pitt gets his shit kicked in?
“You don’t know where I’ve beeeeen!”
Who really won that fight?
Ask this guy out already. He’s clearly into you.
Dirkz 5y ago
I'm on the other guys side, I think you have legitimate repressed homosexual tendencies... who gives a fuck what he says? Amused mastery dude. Punching some dude is the ultimate frame break and you looked like a bitch to everyone.
HurricaneHugues 5y ago
So sonehow to you, OP is the one with the gay tendencies? And not the other guy who isnt minding his own business and is always flirting with OP? Are u a fucking moron?
That dude is obviously a faggot. He has a thing for OP, and he gets off on gettong hut and roughed up by men. Dude is a complete faggot.
HumptyDumptyFellHard 5y ago
Just ignore it. Can’t really do anything about it. Act like nothing’s wrong and don’t give a fuck. It seems likes getting a reaction from you
Studioyacht 5y ago
I've tried ignoring for the past 2.5 months, it doesn't work.
HumptyDumptyFellHard 5y ago
You just have to ignore him. I’m guessing you haven’t read the sidebar and or about stoicism.
MisterDSTP 5y ago
2.5 months!??! Bruhh
Studioyacht 5y ago
Yup. He's done this to other kids before, months and sometimes a year after they've started ignoring him.
MisterDSTP 5y ago
Think you gotta lift more and follow the other persons advice of filing a harrasment report... he seems grest st bullying snd avoiding consequences.. id say just ignore it, defend yourself if things get physical. Get better/be the best you and just whatever you do dont shoot up the school.
BlackTemplar1989 5y ago
This is why being quick-witted is so important when it comes to quarrel with guys.
You could have easily turned the situation verbally by asking him why he's so obsessed with you being gay and he should outright ask for a date if that's what he wanted.
Now the damage is done and the only thing to do is to learn from it for the future.
streetlecture 5y ago
There's no way this is real. Sounds like a Disney Channel TV show.
yumyumgivemesome 5y ago
Reminds of when Zach Morris tricked the school into thinking that Slater beat the shit out of Screech, and it resulted in Screech winning the beauty pageant. I actually believe OP's story for the most part, but you're so right that about that Disney after-school sitcom feel.
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madhguru 5y ago
????????????
Studioyacht 5y ago
Look at my last post.
streetlecture 5y ago
no
WolfenSatyr 5y ago
The only way I see that you could have turned it against him was just after you pinned him to the wall you put a kiss on him and said "you still free tonight?"
The let him up, dust him off, and walk away. Maybe even spin around mid-stride and mimic a phone to your hear and mouth the phrase "call me"
But you got rough with him, totally entering his frame. You deserve the fallout for that. Learn from it and take the loss.
Studioyacht 5y ago
I thought entering his frame would be to try to snark back at him. I tried that and always lost.
yumyumgivemesome 5y ago
You had lost when the team was laughing at his jokes even when he was on the brink of getting pounded. At that point is when you respect the humor and even try to enjoy it yourself. Maybe a kiss would be too much in this #metoo movement, but picking him up and spinning him around and setting him gently back onto the ground would've been a better response. At that point you take the L and respect him for showing wit and calmness while knowing that you could pound him into oblivion if you wanted. He's not scared of you, and that deserves some level of respect.
WolfenSatyr 5y ago
Nope, best way to handle the "ur gay" situation is to agree and amplify, then pressure flip.
I wear kilts in warmer weather. Once I was in a Taco Bell and I caught a "are you gay?" question from flannel wearing hick. I turned my head and replied "Did your boyfriend send you to me for blow job tips?" His girl giggled and he took a step towards me. I kept eye contact and smirked. She ended up stopping him and I blew him a kiss. His options were walk away or take a swing, both pulling him out of his frame. He walked away since taking a swing in a busy fast food place would have resulted in jail time.
HurricaneHugues 5y ago
That's stupid. The kid obviously is gay and enjoys that type of shit. OP would be playing right into his hand.
Dabunghole 5y ago
Just move on. Take the loss and hit the gym. Then fuck his girlfriend if he has one and post it on Snapchat.
Auxfite 5y ago
He can’t fuck his girlfriend he’s gay
juliusstreicher 5y ago
You didnt punch him. Had you punched him, he wouldnt speak as he did. You fondled him.
Brutal13 5y ago
Read both of your posts. Long time The Red Pill reader and, yes, I graduated already.
I have questions:
Respond and I'll drop more points.
Firstly, sadly no one advised to avoid physical confrontation. Consequences could be dangerous: legal and health. You should not physically attack anyone who is not treating you physically. Simple. I'd fight only to protect my family/friends and myself. You can and should strike first if you see that it's imminent. In your case, I don't see any reason to use force. But, hey listen, we all were young.
Secondary, as a redpiller you need to understand your feelings and thoughts. Why you did you punch him?Is he too cool and you just envy? Or you feeling upset that a scumbag like him, who have been trolling and stalking guys(you mentioned that he basically ruined social life of others just for fun). Or perhaps, he just found a tiny hole where he break your ego. He can feel that you're trying to increase your SMV etc. Ask yourself questions why you feel and think.
Be happy that you had that experience. It's gonna help you a lot when you reach adult status.
What I would advise now:
Tell your director, or who manages the school(your class) that this guy is a predator and stalker. Tell that he would make fun of people based on their religion/nationality/race etc. Remember all cases, don't lie and show facts. You can even ask to invite guys who have been trolled by him to back up your claims.
It's gonna help you legally, and you will not look like a dumb wit psycho wrestler.
Make a video, if you're so snapchat oriented. And say something like this — I merely slapped him. He is an asshole who trans passed all borders of sanity. He just stalk people, I'm not the one. One slap to recharge his brain. You want to keep easy and fun. Check Nata Diaz's videos. Be calm but confident. It's just a slap, he looked no good, I just wanted to help him. I bet, you all guys, wanted to do the same. We all like it rough.
Worst advice, besides beat him-esque, are to ignore him. Don't ignore, use his tactics. Have fun too.
The only thing I found suspicious that your teammates from the wrestler team would laugh. I mean they can laugh, but they should you stop from that scene. I joined MMA club 5 years ago and I'd say that many guys respect personal borders of others and would not make stupid jokes, fighter's culture. Looks like your team has no culture. Consider to drop it off and join another one, where adults go.
Edit: mistypes
Edit2: one more mistype
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Rollo_Mayhem3 5y ago
I would, based on what you posted so far, making a report with the school guidance counselor or vice principal. Simply state that this guy has repeated call you 'gay' and goes out of his way to say this to you. You told him to stop and he won't.
You can write it in a letter and have your parents sign if you want. Regardless, of what you think, you are being harassed and bullied, and that kind of behavior interferes with your learning. I would try to record him making fun of you a few times. If he continues or crosses a line, then you can let him have it, if you feel like it.
Studioyacht 5y ago
I live in the bible belt and all our teachers are hella religious. The kid who's shit talking me isn't, at least as far as I know, just an asshole.
Maybe I'll be more general and just say he is shit talking me.
failingtheturingtest 5y ago
Mate, if they are "hella religious", then telling them how he keeps making sexual remarks at you and suggesting that you're gay and into him would be abhorrent to them.
OneHandToFapThemAll 5y ago
lol what happened to being stoic?
if you were gonna beat him up you had to make it count. you punched him in the face which meant repercussions no matter how hard you hit so idk why you did it softly enough for him to joke about it lol. you still get punished by the school or whatever and he gets off with barely a scratch.
this was the worst possible response. should have done nothing at all or more than what you did.
HurricaneHugues 5y ago
You're dealing with a faggot who likes you. Everything he says is about some gay shit. There are actual dudes like that. They like to get hit and roughed up by other men. I'm not even joking. He gets off on that type of shit. It's like foreplay to him when u pin him against the wall or hit him. No joke. Don't bother with that homo.
Think about all your interactions with him. Doesn't it all seems a little odd? You mind your own business and he's somehoew always talking about some gay shit about u. Really sit down and think about it.
The others won't see it, but now you know.
Ironic_Gangster 5y ago
Challenge him to a straight up fight in front of a few people. Establish time and place. If he laughs in your face again, shove him. Get physical and hurt him enough that he will need to fight back. Smack his face, shove him, physically control his movement so that he must acknowledge you. Be prepared to fight him right there.
salamchik 5y ago
I would just put him on the ground and slap him with a smile on my face until he gets tired... after 10 slaps his enthusiasm and humour would disappear. Then I would ask him : will u continue to be bitch?
Show your wrestling abilities but make it fun for yourselves by not showing any aggressiveness. According to the book of 48 laws of power: Aggressiveness shows your weakness. Do not take him seriously, treat him like a stupid child.
BloodSurgery 5y ago
You punched him and he agreed and amplified? Well punch him even harder, until he bleeds and begs for mercy!
Quality advice guys, keep it up. Report to the principal, or whatever, I don't know much about American schools. Tell them that he started to bully you and you tried to defend yourself, because you didn't know what else to do, so you want to fix the problem once and for all, or something like that.
Punching him even harder won't do any better, like at all. Reputation, your family, maybe police, who knows how bad it can go.
Studioyacht 5y ago
Lol. What's your advice?
BloodSurgery 5y ago
Edited my first response btw, in case you miss it.
Studioyacht 5y ago
Well, he's the teachers and principal's favorite, but I'll try possibly, thanks.
Ricklogical 5y ago
Tell them if they support harassment you will go to the local newspaper or start some shit online. Dont let it go. Make it an issue and get all the victims to work with you.
FearGarbhArMait 5y ago
Hahahaha, the teenage darktriad jester. There are only two ways to handle a real jester, crush them or befriend them. You caused him injury but not enouh that he should fear you.
dickpillsjones 5y ago
Damn that sucks. I remember your post from the other day. How old are you? I presume under 18 and in Highschool
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What you SHOULD have done is beat him up a little worse until he wasn’t laughing anymore. That’s okay that you didn’t though. Don’t beat yourself up
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I would A) find him outside of school and beat him up worse OR B) just continue working on yourself and stop giving a fuck about this faggot. Get better and better at wrestling, and at other stuff, until you feel superior
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Even if you decide to do A, you should also do B. Also realize that if you beat the shit out of him you could get arrested so beware. But if you’re young (under 18), Maybe go for it. Make sure to break his nose and bloody him a bit this time. Keep punching until he begs you to give up. Then keep punching him some more.
Studioyacht 5y ago
Hmm. Wouldn't I go to juvie for that?
dickpillsjones 5y ago
No you definitely would not. You have to repeatedly do lots of actual bad things to go to juvie. You could spend a minute in jail getting processed if you were to get arrested tho
allcryptal 5y ago
Seems like this guy wouldn't go crying to cops or administration if you truly knocked his face in. He's got too much of a strong frame, reputation and ego to do that.
To reinstate what others said options are: agree and amplify the gay talk, beat his ass til it's right before the point of too much, physically bully him anytime you see him (control his space, exert your dominance and superior energy). I don't agree with the ignoring unless you fail again. He's checkmated you. Losing like that is enough for me to find a better way to come out on top. Gotta rescue that reputation.
Gravel_Roads 5y ago
You tried to solve this problem by becoming an even bigger bully than your bully. And you failed. Now try it like an actual adult and ignore him. He would not be getting under your skin if you didn't care. Physical retaliation is a hallmark of a person losing control, not taking it.
It sucks, man. I'm sorry, that sounds terribly embarassing. But you're a wrestler and he's a "skinny asshole". You're making him look like the brave underdog standing up to the thin-skinned bruiser. Stop needing to win every fight and learn to walk away from children. Even if you beat him all, all he has to do is stay calmer than you, and he will still look like the winner.
Ohboohoolittlegirl 5y ago
Proof you can't just follow RP advice without scrutinizing it. Getting physical is always the worst advice you can get, cause it's not Alpha at all. What you could have done is turn the narrative to him being obsessed with you.. Now, you made yourself look absolutely stupid and he was expecting and hoping for your response, he already had it planned out. Don't play people's homegame.
sx_appeal 5y ago
I know nothing about your school system and if it could mess up your future if you hit him badly but whatever you do, don't mess up *your* future? That's the most important thing and you need to know that looking back at it in a few years, it will be too trivial because you will have other problems.
If you think it is a lost battle, then just act as if it is lost and don't give a fuck about him. Don't check snapchat shit or FB shit that will make you depressed or furious. Just leave it alone.
If you think you can win this battle, then do what you need to do but again don't mess up your future if what you will do could mess it up (like being a criminal).
I truly wish you can figure it out.
BrodinsOats 5y ago
If you were gonna go the violent route, you should have gone far enough that it was no laughing matter for him.
But you really shouldn’t go the violent route.
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Do you have autism?
Studioyacht 5y ago
What do you mean? That's literally what people suggested on here.
[deleted] 5y ago
Bad advice they gave. As soon as you respond by showing him he's getting under your skin, you're under his frame. By attacking him, you've lost frame. At this point, you've lost badly. Play it cool, don't let anything he says or does bother you, as if you were dealing with a child. Keep walking around like you've got the biggest balls in Missouri. It won't pay off immediately, but eventually it'll blow over
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SanPedroLover_ 5y ago
You didnt damage him enough, imo.
Talk shit get dealt with. Dont start nothing, wont be nothing. Thats how i was raised.
Young people are too soft and sensitive these days.
FearGarbhArMait 5y ago
We don't give a what what, we dont give a what what!
get it on the floor, get get get it on the floor
Don't start nothin it wont be nothin, dont start somethin it wont be somethin.
LETS GET IT ON
Studioyacht 5y ago
If I did anything harder, I could be expelled.
SanPedroLover_ 5y ago
Catch him slipping off campus
Studioyacht 5y ago
Wouldn't I go to juvie for that?
Dabunghole 5y ago
Don’t get caught.
Ricklogical 5y ago
Eh... done give a fuck. Forever. Talk I'd talk and it worked.
Perfect opportunity for you to practice not caring
quadraticreciprocal 5y ago
This is how you hold frame people.
Concernedblue 5y ago
All you got left is to aggree and amplify
Rape him in the ass dude
NotoriousSnake 5y ago
I'd beat him up worse if he says anything again.
I'm a BJJ guy so I'd choke him out... can't say shit when you're gasping for air
Studioyacht 5y ago
I'd probably be expelled. And knowing him, he'd probably mention some shit about sexy choking later on.
HurricaneHugues 5y ago
Getting expelled isn't a death sentence. When you're in high school, your whole world revolves around school, and you don't know much else. But I can tell you right now, life doesn't stop after high school.
Loolong back, there's a lot of things I would've done differently in high school, and some of those things even include the risk of getting expelled. It's really not the end of the world. Nobody cares about what you did in high school once u leave high school. It doesn't matter for jobs, it doesn't matter for your adult friends, it doesn't matter for women.
NotoriousSnake 5y ago
Amused Mastery might be the answer here.
OR....
Fuck with him and rough him up whenever you see him (physically push him out of your way) and say he's your bitch.
Studioyacht 5y ago
I'll try amused mastery, but I'm worried to try anything new, cause so far, he's managed to turn everything to his advantage: trying to roast him back, ignoring him, A & A, and as you've seen, even beating him up.
Ricklogical 5y ago
Me too isn't just for women, hes breaking actual laws already.
Ricklogical 5y ago
I would like to see him force this guy to tap every time he sees him but with video footage hes going to get in trouble.
Away from others, when this guy is alone, sure he could get him.
He has power in a crowd because of laws, but so does op.
Fuck this dude needs to be hurt so bad. Totally risky though.
wrightedgeworthy 5y ago
Then open his pants and fuck him good to show who is the alpha!!!! Don't forget to make him clean your cum as well