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bondbandito 5y ago
You'll have to specify what exactly you consider as liberalism. That banner has been co-opted to mean a lot of things.
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ardu- 5y ago
how do you support markets and bernie? lol
ardu- 5y ago
When you say gender equality, do you mean equal protection under the law, or that the genders are fundamentally equal and there is no differences between them?
bakachelera 5y ago
I am up with race equality and all other shit you said, but gender equality... TRP bases its beliefes in the acknowledge that we men and women are not the same. I still get you, thats more libertarianism that liberalism, but it is reasonable.
bondbandito 5y ago
That's just libertarianism then. Which I believe is the vast majority of red pillers.
SirGoon 5y ago
As much as I like libertarianism I just don't find it feasible in the real world. I don't align myself with anyone one party but I don't normally vote for the Libertarian Party, and I usually end up voting democrat (expect this time I did for for Johnson).
bondbandito 5y ago
I'm saying you have libertarian values - whichever you vote is subject to the lesser of all evils at the voting booth. Your vote doesn't lock you in into ideological synchronicity with the candidate
There are plenty who voted for Trump or Hilary while not believing in more than half of their policy positions
clausternn 5y ago
Do you believe government should use taxes to subsidize or pay for everyone's healthcare and higher education? Do you believe government should provide some form of assistance to less fortunate families (below the poverty line)? Do you believe richer people should pay a higher proportion (percentage) of taxes than the middle-class, which in turn should pay a higher proportion than the poor?
These are some of the main ideals that separate left-wing politics from libertarian politics.
Mewster1818 5y ago
Hmmm no. Bernie definitely isn't a libertarian though... I couldn't reconcile my libertarian beliefs to ever have supported Bernie, though I'll admit Johnson wasn't my ideal libertarian choice either.
bondbandito 5y ago
He said he believes in freedom of markets and speech. I don't think his support for Bernie has anything to do with economic policy.
Libertarian beliefs do not necessitate support for the Libertarian Party
Mewster1818 5y ago
He himself responded to me that he's not a libertarian though.
bondbandito 5y ago
Where's that
In any case, the values he listed all are classic libertarianism. He might not identify as one, but they are libertarian beliefs
Mewster1818 5y ago
It was his response to my comment on this thread.
I agree that he probably isn't the kind of liberal he states based on that set of core beliefs. But that's his own personal journey to figure out.
bondbandito 5y ago
I saw that but he said liberalism not libertarianism
Yea, I think he is unaware of the actual ideologies and what they stand for. Nothing to feel embarrassed about though, many people think they were liberals until they realized their personal values were not the same as what whichever politician they support stood for
Mewster1818 5y ago
Yeah, politics has a pretty high learning curve and unfortunately most education programs now cloud the issues more than define them. I've met plenty of people who have been terribly misguided on it all, so its definitely reliant on a bit of personal discovery.
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
TRP is apolitical. It is a normative description of how inter-sexual dynamics work. Does studying physics have anything to do with how one feels about gun rights?
That said, RP awareness is not consistent with the mainstream brand of liberalism in vogue today, just as climate science doesn't really jive with policies advocated by popular conservationism.
I'm not really a mainstream liberal so much as "on the Left." My vision of how society should be run is so far away from what the privileged liberal elite support that I might as well be talking to a wall when I try to discuss it.
Nov51605 5y ago
I would say I am not liberal, however, there are definitely some legit red pillers who are
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 5y ago
If you think you are a liberal and redpill now, there will come a time when one of those is going to give way to the other. Guaranteed.
bondbandito 5y ago
I wonder how many people give up the redpill and continue being BP.
I was actually made aware of TRP because a male feminist whined to me about how misogynistic it was
Mewster1818 5y ago
There are, however don't be surprised if other liberals do not like you purely for your RP beliefs. There are plenty of liberals who are open minded, but a significant portion who are not and would see RP in direct opposition with their focus on feminism.
Edit to Add: I assume you're using the common definition for liberal, not the political definition which is commonly referred to as "classical liberalism", and in some cases viewed as conservatism.
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Mewster1818 5y ago
I personally think that you can absolutely hold different views on interpersonal and sexual theory than most of your political peers. However, the liberal movement currently is trending towards more progressive, feminist identity politics which ultimately I think do not jive well with RP theories.
Obviously identifying as liberal doesn't make you a progressive, though you may find it difficult to find footing in left leaning politics if you aren't a feminist at the moment. Which would be directly at odds with RP theory.
Either way do you need support from others to maintain your beliefs? Does it matter if there are other liberal RP believers? It certainly makes life easier to have a group to identify with, but if doing so costs you your own values then they weren't really genuine beliefs to begin with.
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CalvinRichland 5y ago
And free speech... because the left doesnt believes in free speech.
ardu- 5y ago
and markets
Mewster1818 5y ago
I think you would be in the minority. Men tend to be more conservative in general, and RP is in some sense a return to traditional values and gender roles that's been adjusted to handle modern issues(like divorce-rape).
SirGoon 5y ago
See I agree with traditional values and gender roles, and sometimes keep my views hidden among other liberals because I know how they act but beyond that I vote left because of some reasons I listed before along with the lefts desire to protect the environment, less keen to fight wars for Israel, more relaxed on immigration (but I'm not for open borders), and universal healthcare.
bondbandito 5y ago
Dude that's just libertarianism with allowances for social democracy to correct for believed negative externalities - classical liberalism really
ardu- 5y ago
If you dislike wars for Israel, you are pro-environment, like center-left leaning economics/social programs, and agree with traditional values and gender roles, maybe consider going over to /r/DebateFascism or /r/DebateAltRight. You may actually change your views a bit and realize you have many views in common already. Be open-minded :)
Mewster1818 5y ago
Other than universal healthcare you genuinely seem to be closer to a libertarian platform than a modern liberal one if I'm being entirely honest.
I couldn't vote for anyone who supports progressive or feminist social issues(to a certain extent, I agree with gay marriage as an example, but mostly I want the government out of social issues entirely, including marriage and divorce). But I predominantly vote based on economic issues overall so I can understand voting based on issues you're the most passionate about. Sadly, there's always going to be compromise on beliefs when voting for others to represent us.
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Mewster1818 5y ago
I suggest doing the isidewith quiz. I took it knowing who my top candidates were to test if it was biased and found it to be very accurate.
Ultimately I think politics boils down to only a couple basic premises(they branch off almost infinitely from these):
Individual vs Group(the individual is protected by a minimal state, the group by a larger state)
Regulated Markets vs Unregulated Markets(level of government interference in economics)
And,
Realism vs Idealism/Liberalism(IR Theories)
From these you can get into the smaller nitty-gritty which will bring you to your overall political position. For example I strongly prefer individual rights , but I am a realist IR thinker.
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Two_kids_in_a_coat 5y ago
What exactly do you find conflicts with your beliefs here?
arrau98 5y ago
Not OP, but there's a pretty pervasive belief that women are mentally children
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Which I don't agree with. Some are, certainly, and a greater portion of their population compared to men, because many are raised to expect certain things without working for them. But I don't believe there's a mass biological tendency. A lot of TRP likes to think "most women are retarded because they're retarded, most men are retarded because of modern society!"
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I also think there's a tendency towards confirmation bias - RPers try to fill their life with quality men, but don't discriminate as to the women they choose to interact with. Think about what the average RPer does to get girls - tinder sluts, clubs, dive bars. Inevitably, filled with dumb women. They're filled with dumb men too, but a lot of people on here are so fucking fixated on the women they fail to notice the retarded, childlike tendencies of 90% of their own gender
GammonBoi11 5y ago
Well said
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
You can, but it’s rare, and those guys who are tend to be center left and not “crazy” left.
IVIaskerade 5y ago
Liberals can follow TRP, but they won't stay liberals for long.
king_of_red_alphas 5y ago
So wait, somehow supporting social safety nets and believing that access to health care is a fundamental right makes somebody incapable of understanding the dynamics of the sexual marketplace?
The ONLY portion of the political positions that I would say are incompatible with TRP are the dogmatic SJW’s on the left and the fundamentalist bible thumpers on the right.
Granted, the SJW left are having their day in the sun right now and are thus the loudest, but that will end soon as they are bound to overplay their hand.
If you’re old enough to remember, the Christian Right has their reckoning in the late 80’s and 90’s as their demonization of gays and sex came crashing down around non stop scandals and revaluations of rank hypocrisy. The same will happen with the SJ wing.
In just about every case, a persons politics has fuckall to do with knowing how to be attractive to women.
Aggressive_Beta 5y ago
No you can’t. Read my post “The Free Market Economics of The Red Pill”:
http://archive.is/vS3DD