Every time after a ONS or casual sex encounter I just feel hollow and empty. It feels quite nice while it's happening but afterwards I just feel an emptiness.
It also just feels like a huge waste of time/effort. I feel like I could be putting this time, effort and energy into investing in myself - I go to a top university and see opportunities to network, to read books about investment/finance, to explore hobbies, etc. All of this seems much more meaningful and satisfying than ONS encounters.
I love life when I'm going gym, hanging out with friends, investing in myself, studying, exploring my hobbies, meditating, etc but once I have a ONS I feel a lot emptier/shitty. Is this a sign that I desire compansionship/LTR?
Does anyone else agree? Is it normal to feel this way? I am only 21 years old yet I feel like ONS/casual sex is massively overrated.
CainPrice 5y ago
Stop thinking of sex as something amazingly special. It's more of a need you fill. If you're hungry, you stop for food on the way home from class. If you're horny, you arrange a hookup after class. Casual sex is kind of like the fast food of sex. Sure, amazing sex with a devoted partner is better, but when you don't have a 200$ ribeye from a steakhouse available and you're hungry, a hamburger is fine and can be pretty tasty, too.
Stop thinking of sex like this huge, big deal, special thing you do. It's just a regular part of your life, like eating. When you're in the mood and have a little spare time, you have a hookup, because getting your rocks off and connecting with someone else, even briefly, is fun and scratches the itch. Then you get on with the rest of your life.
TheReformist94 5y ago
Sex is a big deal and if the itch doesn't get scratched it literally ruins people's lives. Well beta males. Don't tell someone to not act thirsty when there's one drop coming out a tap a year
CainPrice 5y ago
That mentality is exactly what The Red Pill exists to overcome.
When you're not having sex and everybody else is, and women continually pass you over, sex is the biggest deal ever to you. And if you ever luck out and find a woman who's even the slightest bit nice to you, you invest everything you have into trying to win a relationship with her so you can start having sex with her, and if the woman is dumb enough that this actually works, you invest everything you have into not losing her. And you end up repeating this process for a few weeks each year, about once a year on the average. And the more you're rejected and the more you fail, the less confident you are and the harder it is to find your next one each time. And you end up alone and angry and sexless on the internet, bitching about how women suck.
When you're having regular sex and you're comfortable enough navigating the sex and relationship landscape that you know how to find people to have sex with you with at least some regularity, sex stops being a big deal and just becomes something you do if you have time and you're horny. And the more you do it, the more confident you become and the easier it gets each time.
[deleted] 5y ago
What if I resisted that need by abstaining and using that extra energy to invest in other areas of my life?
LethalShade 5y ago
Whatever you feel is right is right for you. Casual sex is good for some people at some times and LTRs are also good. Don't compare yourself to others because you have different goals. If your goal with TRP is eventually developing a healthy, beneficial relationship with a great girl based on value and reality instead of codependency and dillusion, then you're gonna need to fuck/sleep around to figure out what you want and develop your boundaries.
salinorum 5y ago
You sound like a good candidate for /r/semenretention
maintaining_frame 5y ago
Redpill is about providing many and good options--sexually and tangentially in other areas--as you improve yourself, and let's face it, having choices of all kinds goes a long way to helping you to have an enjoyable and fulfilling life. Sex does not have to be one of your constant choices but it's nice to know you have the choice when you're ready to rock and roll.
thecarryone 5y ago
Read Think and Grow Rich
FixYourselfFirst 5y ago
Sure, focus more time on the other areas of your life. You want to keep moving towards your life goals. Everyone needs to find the right balance that works for them. If you need a ONS once a week/month to take the edge off, no problem. Things might change completely in a few years. There's nothing wrong with focusing on yourself and your career.
[deleted] 5y ago
Username checks out haha.
effyouasshole 5y ago
Your problem is you're trying to find meaning in the wrong place. There is no meaning in casual sex; its just enhanced masturbation meant to brighten your day. Do you expect to find deep, philosophical meaning in playing mini-golf for an hour? No, and nor should you try; its only short-term entertainment.
True meaning comes from making progress on your mission. Focus on that until you're on the right track. If you feel like having some side-action in the meantime, then by all means: do it. Otherwise don't.
HumbleTrees 5y ago
Saved post. Golden.
TheReformist94 5y ago
Cope. There's a lot of meaning in casual sex. It's not just the physical act,but the validation of being desired. Men who get alot of casual sex tend to be very happy
LethalShade 5y ago
That's a very slippy road to go down friend. I don't think those men are particularly happy, happiness from external validation is very shallow and doesn't last long before you need another fix.
[deleted] 5y ago
Being dependant on external validation is beta. To be content with yourself and internally validated is infinitely more fulfilling.
TheReformist94 5y ago
Ok mate, you tell yourself you don't like it when you catch a woman checking you out
[deleted] 5y ago
It's fine to like it. It feels nice. But if you need it to be happy, then that is something different. It is beta to be DEPENDANT on it.
Zanford 5y ago
GOOD! One of the best things about having a lot of sex young is you stop overvalueing it so much, and it helps you be more DGAF, whcih helps with game and sex itself (non-needy attitude), and focus on other things like career, fitness, hobbies, or finding a LTR. So do all those.
What you probably need is a very casual LTR or recurring plate(s). Girls you have some rapport with and you can enjoy not-just-sex but also doing other shit you like to do (like going to be beach or literal Netflix and Chill) but whom you aren't overly emotionally invested in (so you don't backslide into beta or get heartbroken).
[deleted] 5y ago
Some people just prefer sex with people they have a connection with and that's completely normal. I'm the same way.
I understand you about the time thing. But it's a worthy sacrifice. Not many girls are just gonna come straight over to your house and fuck with no effort. Right now I have 3 plates. Met 2 on the hinge app, and 1 from a cold approach. The first 2 or so times I met each of them we went on conventional dates and then fucked. But at this point they'll just text me that they wanna come over when they're done with class for the day or off of work then they just come straight over and we get to business.
That time investment up front makes things easier in the long run. I don't think I've been on a conventional date with any of them in 6-8 weeks but I'm still getting laid 2-3 times a week.
Rollo_Mayhem3 5y ago
You're probably just not doing it right or with the right girl. You're still young. Don't think too much into it. Just have fun with the girl, plate her, and develop the sexual relationship you want.
Quaternionz 5y ago
It’s pretty cut and dry what’s happening here. You’re falling prey to beta make psychology.
It’s crucial to realize that there are two fundamentally different male psychologies when it comes to mating: Alpha male psychology and beta male psychology. Which mode your brain is in at any given time depends on your circumstances.
Alpha Male Psychology In ancient times these were the pharaohs, sultans, war lords, and lesser nobility. They had the equivalent of $300,000,000 in 4,000BC money, and they had nothing stopping them from keeping large harams of women. They’d knock up all of their chicks and have literally hundreds of little princelings running around. They didn’t spend much time with most of their haram, but whatever, they had kingdoms to run. They probably banged a different new girl every other day, and getting them all pregnant was fine. Their reproductive strategy was to spread it far and wide.
Beta Male Psychology A thin feminized beta male hasn’t gotten a date or had sex for months. He meets Jenny, a solid 7, through a mutual friend. When he meets Jenny he does something by accident to impress her. Maybe he’s be killing it at work lately, or maybe he was especially entertaining the day they meet. He dates Jenny and love bombs her into a relationship. She had had wanted to date around, but this guy is here, he’s minimally attractive enough, and the fact that he’s being so nice makes up for her lack of genuine interest. He’s thrilled to be with her, and she becomes his whole world. He can’t believe he gets to sleep with a girl this hot on a regular basis. He doesn’t realize the sex is not the sort of passionate animalistic sex Jenny used to have with Alpha men. They’ll get married and he’ll invest all of his time, emotions, and finances into supporting her and the kids. He’ll have no empires, he’ll do nothing big or respectable in life other than fulfill his beta bux role. When she eventually leaves him he’ll be optionless on the dating market and will feel destitute. His whole life centered on her, and now she’s gone. Suicide is a distinct possibility.
These examples are extremes. Day to day people fall somewhere in between. The hot dude at the bar who’s not a literal pharaoh but has a rotation of 6 girls he’s sleeping with. The respectable business man who has some money and settles down with his oneitis crush, but isn’t necessarily a push over 100% of the time. Etc...
The extremes do exist though. Where do you think this guy falls? How about this one?
What’s happening in your case is that you’re not good enough at building a haram yet for your emotions to be in Alpha mode. Your biology is still telling you that it’s wiser to invest all of your resources in one girl and procreate just with her. Casual sex is hard to find and therefore not worth the effort. A ONS is technically a kind of failure when you’re in LTR-seeking beta mode, so you feel shitty after having a ONS.
Keep investing in yourself instead, despite what your current emotions are telling you. Once you have 1,000 Tinder matches and can bang a new girl every day for seven days in a row (literally), you’ll feel powerful and will be totally loving it. Your psychology and hormones will fundamentally change, and you won’t feel at all about it like you feel now.
Or find a oneitis and LTR her right up. The choice is yours.
stylesm11 5y ago
This is underrated but it's pretty clean cut, nice analysis, hard to swallow truth
OPTIMUSL1ME 5y ago
You're forgetting the part where Jenny hitchhikes to San Francisco and later dies of aids
[deleted] 5y ago
I would say the self made millionaire is more of an alpha than the guy who fucks a lot of girls, even if that millionaire settles down.
You'd have to be delusional to think Chad who works at McDonalds in his spare time yet can fuck who he wants is more Alpha than a guy who has made his millions. Alpha status is about what you achieve in life. Fucking a lot of girls is not a noble or masculine endevaour IMO. Making lots of $$$ is however.
Quaternionz 5y ago
Incorrect. Women decide who is and isn’t Alpha. They vote with their vaginas.
If you think that the millions are better than the pussy in some way then that’s fine, but this isn’t how TRP defines the term Alpha. TRP is a sexual strategy first and foremost. The other stuff about positive masculinity is an integral but nonetheless secondary aspect.
Any attempt to measure Alpha with anything other than lay count smells like an ego preservation attempt.
[deleted] 5y ago
By that logic anyone who is a male model can be an alpha. Lots of women could want to fuck one but that model may be a beta and in an LTR.
More women would want to fuck the high school football star who works at McDonalds over Donald Trump, Barack Obama or Warren Buffett yet that wouldn't make him more Alpha than any of those guys.
It takes a certain level if delusion to believe that the stoner lowlife who could get laid anytime he wants is more Alpha than a Forbes CEO. Which do you think is more masculine ? having a high lay count or making millions?
LethalShade 5y ago
Well you're both right and wrong. Depends how you define alpha. If we're speaking strict biology then whoever can fuck(reproduce) the most is the most alpha. Making millions is just amassing resources which is part of being alpha but biological alphaness is very biological and physical. It's kind of the caveman equivalent of the dude that has a badass cave with lots of tools and food in them and then the bigger dude comes into his cave, clubs him to death and takes it for himself.
We've moved to a point where we're beyond biology though. Alpha has to have a different meaning in today's society. It can't be about accumulating resources though, ever watch the show millionaire matchmaker? Plenty of awkward dudes with no social skills that aren't very interesting to be around that made millions. It has to be about being on your path, getting what you want in life and having solid boundaries.
I don't consider the millionaire having to beg his wife to go play golf with his buddies to be alpha. I'd consider a stay at home dad which has his finances in order without being wealthy who has a strong relationship with his wife to be way more alpha.
Quaternionz 5y ago
I’ll give you part of that. You’re right that there are betas who can get laid. The other half of the Alpha equation is being a man who other (also mostly Alpha) men want to follow, be, or emulate.
Lay count is still mandatory though, but not sufficient.
rockyp32 5y ago
How do ur hormones change
lozboss 5y ago
Get home when you need it. Don't chase it.
Focus on your improvement. I'd suggest to you to do your CFA level 1 asap. Will open lots of doors career wise for you at your age.
freew33zy 5y ago
You just sound like you're fucking girls you don't really like. I've had many-an-awkward pillow talk after fucking some chick who's either not hot enough for me or has a shit personality otherwise. Usually, though, those are my low-investment pulls (something like a message to just come over off of Tinder). So I don't have a lot of emotion tied up in them.
I'd say to just find a girl or two you really like to fuck. I'm in a one-way open LTR, and a lot of times I just prefer fucking my LTR to other girls. It's a lot more relaxing, she knows what I like, and she's hot and my type--all things not always present in random girls. Consistent high quality. Maybe don't rush into an LTR, but you do sound like you'd benefit from a closer connection as the fuck-a-million-chicks lifestyle isn't for everyone.
Flintblood 5y ago
I felt the same way after a recent ONS - yet I knew I couldn’t promise anything and I could tell she wanted much more - to go serious fast.
From my point of view, if I can’t be with the one unicorn, then the best realistic option is to enjoy serial dating and sex with a female that’s fun to be around, then just always accept that it won’t last. Have fun while you can; be ready to move on when times up.
Wrath_of_Trump 5y ago
Do you feel better beating your meat alone in your room in the dark? Ok then
[deleted] 5y ago
I feel no difference between doing that and having a ONS.
W_O_M_B_A_T 5y ago
If you want an LTR, get an LTR.
Whatever you do, strive for continuous improvement.