red pill theory post/question
I've swallowed the pill many years ago but I'm still struggling with this red pill theory part.
TRP main advice for oneitis is 'fuck ten other women', and consciously redefine your image of her in your head by realising her bad characteristics.
However, oneitis and alpha widow are not conscious thoughts, rather emotional feelings/states. So consciously changing your thoughts about her do not change your oneitis status.
Statements:
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A man will no longer have oneitis for a girl if he can fuck a girl with higher smv (in his mind) than his oneitis
- A woman will no longer be alpha widowed if she can fuck a man with higher smv (in his mind) than her chad
One can state that the chad of an alpha widow has an SMV that is so absurdly high (in her mind), as it is subjective etc. that a man with higher smv does not exist. Therefore she is an alpha widow and no other man can reach or surpass this chad smv.
For oneitis the solution could be 'fuck at least 1 woman with higher smv than your oneitis', which might give you oneitis for that girl. Avoid that by plating multiple women of that smv.
The question:
When we're talking about LTR, it's best to have a partner that is of 'one or two' points lower SMV than you are, low n-count, .. but if you've built an abundance mentality by fucking women of higher SMV than your LTR's, well then your standards will just be too high, resulting in the same dynamic as her being an alpha widow (craving someone else).
High n-count is (rightfully) noted as a red flag for women, as she might be alpha widowed and her emotional connection diminishing because of multiple sex partners.
But isn't high n-count a red flag for men as well then? Shouldn't the advice we give to men who want an LTR (or sequence of) be to try and get in an LTR with the woman with the highest SMV they could get (while still being the captain in that LTR) instead of first building abundance and then getting in an LTR with a lower SMV, resulting in an (to him) unrewarding LTR (as he craves other women)?
Having fucked and plated many women myself, but still wanting an LTR, makes me a red flag, and is a bitter pill to swallow. Of course I could try to change my view on LTR vs plating.
DiscordantMonk 5y ago
Quit hamstering. Learn how to vet woman for LTR. Be the best version of yourself possible and learn how to be a good captain.
rp_nc 5y ago
Although I completely agree, that's not the question.
DiscordantMonk 5y ago
Correct, it's the answer to your question.
Killing__Time_ 5y ago
You were biologically designed to have a high n-count. So this should not bother you.
rp_nc 5y ago
Excellent point! How do you explain oneitis from a biological standpoint? Maybe it's only psychological?
Killing__Time_ 5y ago
Oneitis from biological standpoint: lack of options. Beta. Survival mentality. Scarcity mentality.
youcantdenythat 5y ago
Paralysis by analysis something something.
A man will not be able to get/keep an high value woman unless he has enough experience with multiple women to understand them.
But remember, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
I've been in LTRs and I've been the player. When in and LTR I usually get bored of her and want out. When a player, I think I want companionship and go for an LTR.
It all comes down to fantasy vs reality. We could think/fantasize about this shit all day when we should be out working our way up the totem pole of women.
Once you get to the top we realize that women could never fulfill us anyway and we need to find that fulfillment in ourselves. But we'll talk about that another day.
rp_nc 5y ago
Thanks for your reply, good reminders.
7Fig 5y ago
When you say things like:
You are clearly feeling bad for these "poor helpless women". Women are only deploying their own sexual strategy to achieve their biological goals. Their behavior (whether you like it or not) is actually Amoral. A red pill man must come to terms with the fact that when they interact with women the interaction will be a game of sexual strategies. Knowledge of these strategies and a deployment of your own strategy is how you place yourself in a position of power and high value male status.
rp_nc 5y ago
What I actually meant was 'how to demolish the oneitis in my head'.
E.g.:
Oneitis phase: she's a unicorn. Then consciously redefine the image: she shits like everyone else
Leads to: she's not a unicorn.
But I don't think that adds up emotionally as you will still crave a woman of higher SMV.
Two_kids_in_a_coat 5y ago
No, evolution says we have cheap sperm we need to spread as much as possible, women have expensive eggs that they can’t risk going to the wrong man (pregnancy is risky, difficult and rare, only the strongest sperm is worth that cost).
We are simply hardwired to fuck more.
rp_nc 5y ago
Agreed. How do you explain oneitis from an evolutionary perspective? Sexual strategy is all about finding the best genes to reproduce, so your children have a higher chance of surviving & reproducing.
Therefore it does make sense that you try to fuck the highest SMV women you encounter. I don't think our goal is to fuck ALL the women, as I am repulsed by low SMV women.
So our nature isn't to fuck all women, it's to fuck the highest SMV women possible. Once you fucked high SMV women, an explanation could be not go produce children from low SMV women as they could best the children you had with the high SMV women. (or something, I don't know)
Conclusion: I'm not sure whether our biological nature 'spread your seed' holds true in this topic.
uwotm891 5y ago
If you’re an alpha male, then impregnating as many women as you can will ensure that your genes are successfully passed on. What you aren’t taking into account is society. We’ve all had the great big LOOOOVE bomb shoved down our fat gullets since day one. Why you ask? Because the nuclear family is what’s best for a functioning society. There’s your oneitis. Like someone else said, oneitis is a phenomenon caused by a scarcity mentality that’s ingrained in our psyche from societal rules and pressures. Could you imagine if you had no obligation or legal repercussions when getting women pregnant? You wouldn’t give two fucks about a oneitis. If it were tribal times, I’m sure all of the alpha hunters would fuck all women in the tribe and loooove would never even cross their minds.
On the other side, oneitis could be due to recognizing the perfect attributes, to mix with yours, to produce perfect offspring. Again however, societal rules force a man to “court a women” rather than dragging her back to your cave. So it could be a compounding effect from not mating immediately.
Note- these are just my thoughts at the moment. There could be truth in what I say or it could all be complete bullshit. Or a mix of both.
FUCK/end rant
rp_nc 5y ago
thanks for the mature discussion
cglehosit 5y ago
No. Red flags look different in the same way that attractive attributes are different to the different sexes.
If women with a high N count are "sluts," the male version of a slut is a guy who gives his Attention/Love away quickly like a woman gives her sex away. High N count is unattractive to men, needy/desperate "omg I'm in love with you 2 months in" is unattractive to women. Do not bring up past relationships, do not bring up your count, and when you face that shit test you say "oh yeah I've slept with probably a thousand women... you're the 1001st." Agree and amplify.
rp_nc 5y ago
I agree. I know high n-count for men is attractive to women, preselection etc.
A woman can be high SMV, alpha widowed and still be attractive. Yet she is a red flag for an LTR.
A man can be attractive as well, even though he still craves higher SMV (or has a oneitis) but still be a red flag for LTR. Actually, having a high n-count itself is an indicator that a man is not looking to settle down and be monogamous with a woman whose SMV deteriorates over time.