I dated this party girl who had MAD fucking game.
She wasn't smart. Never graduated high school, worked in the club industry, stripped a bit. She was the social butterfly type. Only dated alpha males - rich, successful men.
She really knew how to play the game and how to get guys to want her and get them to do what she wanted (myself included). However, this was all unconscious competence. When I would try to talk game with her, she would never be able to analyze it like TRP does. Even though her moves were always precisely calculated instinctually, the most I could get out of her ever was "guys go crazy when you stop calling them; I just do that and it works."
But thinking back on our times together, every shit-test she ever made would be eventually referenced later on and turned into another one. You had to be on your toes all the fucking time. She just instinctually knew how to manipulate you. It was always so subtle and unnoticeable to the naked beta eye but she knew the right social pressure points to exploit you. She knew when to give sex and when to withhold it, when to ignore you, when to be attentive, when to act like a bitch, when to act nice, when to be vulnerable, when to be cold, etc. She was a machine.
She used TRP sexual strategy to make others do her bidding without knowing or being able to break down what she was doing and why.
How?
NAmember81 8y ago
It's like asking a centipede how it coordinates a hundred legs so elegantly.
That's just their true nature.
How do you circulate your blood? You don't know how you do it, you just do (until you die of course).
Women just be women and men themselves create all the mystery involved.
jackandjill22 8y ago
Cunnings a women's game. If you ever meet a man naturally as cunning as an ordinary women: run. That speaks volumes about both sides in this battle.
'When men & women engage it's more often that men are bowled over in a contest of wits' - H.L. Mencken
Most guys are naive & don't rationally asses situations, especially in matters of intimacy; circumstances in which women are most calculating.
DonaldBaelish 8y ago
Just because most women can manipulate all betas , that does not make Cunning a woman's game. It just shows that some men are too pathetic and don't have a spine , and would conquer the world for a woman's validation.
Ever heard of Victor Lustig? Cunning is an art and Being A Bitch Cause Your Man Allows You To has nothing to do with it.
EtchyTWA 8y ago
There are some women out there who are big and strong. They might even overpower some smaller, weaker men - but they'll never match most men and they are nowhere near the strongest men.
Its the other way with cunning - there are men out there who are more cunning than the least cunning women. They are not as cunning as average women and nowhere near the most cunning women.
How, then can men endure and win? - Simple. Cunning is short term, tactical game. As soon as a man starts thinking mid and long term in his own self interest, cunning mostly stops working on him. Thats why "make your mission your life, not your wife" works.
TitsAndWhiskey 8y ago
Came here to say this, but you said it better. Women don't have a strategy in the terms we think of the word. It's more like a well-practiced bag of tricks. Almost always works on the rubes, almost never works on the experienced. Like a chess player who knows a few gambits, but no actual strategy.
Case in point: I have an ex wife who is continually flummoxed when her transparent gambits get shrugged off. She gets angry and frustrated, then she starts the cycle over again with the EXACT SAME gambits. Which fail again. She simply cannot imagine a different strategy.
Put another way, if you see a monkey using a rock to smash something open, I'd hold off on worrying that they're going to start developing tools. There's a big gap between the two.
Stron23 8y ago
This is a great reply
marlybarrow 8y ago
Could you expand on this idea, sounds mighty interesting. Do you mean to not try to be the Chad at parties but rather to focus on gradual consistent improvement? And if you do get played by a cunning woman the answer is not to compete with her but rather to withdraw from the interaction and focus on creating the best life for yourself?
EtchyTWA 8y ago
You can be Chad at parties, I more meant that when a woman is using game tactics on you they will have limited effecitveness if you have a mid t long term goal in mind.
Lets say you want to have your own business up and running within 6 months. You've made a list of shit youneed to get done to make that happen and you are working through that list.
The woman in your life wants something - she uses her cunning to get you to do it - makes you feel good first then asks a favour or whatever. Momentarily you are sidetracked, but then in the morning you get your list of things you need to do and this puts you back on track.
Because of solipsism she will assume you have outsmarted her which will maintain attraction, when actually she's not relevant. You are just following your plan.
Minus a plan she will keep sidetracking you over and over until eventual betaisation occurs. This happens to almost everyone without a plan because you can't beat the cunning in the moment in a battle of wits. You can only win the war.
Did this help?
marlybarrow 8y ago
Yeah it helped, thanks.
Don't try to outthink her in the short term, because you will fail to do so most times, rather, devote yourself to a higher purpose and ensure that most of your time, energy and attention is spent on that long term goal. In this way you innoculate yourself to any significant damage caused by female manipulation.
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we only move backwards from our natural instincts
TRP is a reclaimation of who we are on the inside
Beta men aren't born, they learn to compromise through failure
vorverk 8y ago
Besides all the good comments here... show me a bitch, and I'll show you a guy that can't stand her. Her game is good and your SMV is lower than what she's used to dealing with. A natural alpha with good genes and mission in life wouldn't even break a sweat if she didn't call him. She would be the one waiting for his call. Everyone has a match. I've seen the most natural psycho manipulative 9s turn complete 180 and become little submissive bunnies when this happens.
GL_HaveFun 8y ago
Sounds like my ex to the T... even the referencing stuff that turned into more testing...
magicplayer123abc 8y ago
I know a girl like this. Stripped all over the country for a long time. Seems you made the same mistake as me and thought her game was calculated but nope they are just like that. She impressed me actually caught her lying a few times and called her out on it but never mattered, fucking inhuman ability to just make up bullshit on the spot. Make no mistake women show you the face / character they think you want to see.
anaccountant2b 8y ago
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^0.1570
Officer_Dick_Johnson 8y ago
I don't think it's instincts, it's just alot of good practice, cause the're are chicks who have bad game. Though, even those chicks are miles ahead of bad game having dudes and it's because every single dude wants to fuck them and give their attention to them.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
Birds fly, fish swim, women extract resources from men. Nothing new under the sun.
SocialJusticeWhiner 8y ago
Women are cunning due to the nature bestowed upon them by evolution. Men are physically much stronger and more logical then women. This would allow us to physically force them to do whatever we want. This forced women to adapt so they could survive. They developed more robust Machiavellian and social skills so they could better manage men and influence the world around them. It is engrained in their nature to be seductive towards alphas, and able to manipulate emotionally but it's all subconscious, features not bugs, due to evolution.
robochadtc 8y ago
Just a shit test, its natures way, if she manipulates you , you failed.
throwwhatthere 8y ago
I think OP's question is asking "how are women good at it instinctually, yet men have to bet taught."
One answer may be, "Men are good at it instinctually too, but the feminine imperative has so pervasively won out that men are taught from age 0 to suppress their nature and adopt a beta position.
I'm sure that's part of it, but unsure if that accounts for all of it. The question is if you removed the bitchification crammed down the throats of boys by our feminine primary society, what percent would "just get it" vis instinctual optimization of male sexual strategy. Maybe the same percent as women. Maybe not. Thoughts?
zenRP 8y ago
Women are using their social skills all the time. They simply have more practice. The world preconditions them for it. A girl like that knows how the game is played because of all the times she's done it before.
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Women are innate machiavellians.
This is can be explained from the perspective of evolution. Men being naturally stronger than women have developed in the physical sense. Women developed on a psychological level as they could not compete with men physically.
I believe there is plenty of information on this in The Red Pill Handbook and it is discussed in Rollo Tomassi's The Rational Male and the Book of Pook. There is also an article in the side bar on Power Talk which is a covert form of communication that is based on plausible deniability.
MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
It's not rocket science.
Still not rocket science. She's just doing standard girl stuff.... join in a bit, then back off a bit, be random, be interested, be ADHD.
Learned behaviours. Women get endless free opportunities to practice. Guys try stuff with them, they just do random stuff and learn what works. It's all at zero cost to her don't forget... it's not like she's facing daily rejection or has to have a good job or has to learn how to seduce or like.... do anything much. Passive game is EASY when the other gender knows they are expected to be active.
jackandjill22 8y ago
I honestly think the majority of guys have terrible active game generally which "poisons the well" for everyone.
1barney1 8y ago
Yeah, I wasn't implying that what she SAID was rocket science. I meant that she was running complex game without being able to explain it.
But I think the rest of your post is the correct answer... Game practice for them is zero cost and it starts happening when they hit puberty so by the time they hit 30 it's hard not to be a master. Add in a job that massively increases the amount of times you get hit on (any service industry pretty much, sex industry) and your mastery comes in way sooner.
It's way easier to adjust even if you're not smart you still get to see patterns. You learn what makes people tick and make adjustments in your strategy even if you can't verbalize it. If she does enough random things and they work, she just keeps doing them. It's like evolution. The strongest, most effective strategy stays and the strategies that don't work die.
blackedoutfast 8y ago
That's also why girls are terrible at certain aspects of game. Girls don't have a lot of practice at the things guys have to practice. You can see what I'm talking about when girls see a guy with extremely high SMV, because it reverses the roles. Most girls have extreme approach anxiety because they never have to approach. Girls don't know how to open or anything like that because all they usually have to do is sit back and look pretty. And they are bad at dealing with rejection because it doesn't happen a lot.
MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
It's all learned behaviours... from seeing what works, watching other people, reading magazines, reading jezebel, etc.
Women do have an instinctive understanding of the weakness of others, I'll give them that.
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Because they have been manipulating others and lying ever since they were born. Its like your ability to speak your native language. You have never formally learnt the grammar rules but you're able to speak it because you have been doing everything in that language your whole life.
DonaldBaelish 8y ago
From personal experience , I can say most of the ProManipulators are people with bad parents who had many troubles during their upbringing.
They had to hide from mom and dad , they did not share with them , they lied to them and as time passed , they started doing it with others and became proficient in it.
Women do it better because they rely mostly on their emotions.
walawalawa 8y ago
They are better at "feeling" their way through things while guys are better at "thinking" their way through situations.
Which is more about game? I now pause and think..."what would a chick do?" followed by "what would a jerk do?"
Works a charm.
ThePillAdvisor 8y ago
You make the point of saying she isn't smart... In order for a person to manipulate it requires a fair bit of intelligence... You also say she manipulated you? Does that mean someone you claim isn't smart out smarted you?
Just my observation :)