How am I supposed to hook up with chicks when I have HPV? I understand the concept of escalating quickly before the window of attraction closes & she gets bored, but pressing for sex carrying HPV is disconcerting to me.
Yes I can wear a condom, but how often does that get put on before a blowjob starts? In my experience it doesn't happen. Even using condoms this is going to be an issue. Should I just wait till the warts clear and don't ever say a word about it? What if I end up about to start an LTR with some chick and she directly asks about my past? Lie & keep the lie going till eternity?
With how quickly a person can be rejected and discarded this does not seem like something that I can expect to get laid with if I tell girls before sleeping with them. Maybe if I met some "wait till marriage" girl I could get her to fall madly in love with me and then tell her at the last second but thats a dumbass idea to holdout for.
For your personal information, the last time I got laid was about 4 years ago and I just had warts pop up about 5 months ago. It was dormant in me for about 3.5 years so if any of you guys get it, really, there is no way to tell where it came from. DONT go blaming whoever you are with automatically.
The wart causing strains do not cause cancer, and the vaccination only protects against the cancer causing strains. The vaccination will not protect against warts.
What is TRPs views on hooking up and moving on with life if one has HPV?
i_forget_my_userids 8y ago
Condoms don't effectively protect against HPV. Do the right thing. Disclose it. If they aren't down, move on. Abundance mentality.
jackandjill22 8y ago
Damn.
Questionnaire7 8y ago
That may be more abundance than exists. I cant see a girl being ok with it, EVEN if she already had HPV it seems like she'd still not disclose to a stranger & act like she was clean. I mean shit girls will reject a guy and then go home disappointed they didn't get laid that night.
Ultimately I think you are right but all I can see this ending in is me not getting laid again until Im in a more grown up crowd & people are mature, not to mention word spreading around here about me.
jackandjill22 8y ago
That Fucking sucks dude.
Harry_Fraud 8y ago
I'd say the problem is most girls who carry don't actually know. I was vaccinated, and AFAIK I am clean, so I can't exactly empathize with your situation.
Objectively, we have the options of disclosure or transmission. Disclosure carries the risk of terminating the interaction, or her saying she is okay with it, or her saying she has it herself (in which case you would have received the virus anyhow).
I can't say how I would behave in your place, but I would chose one method and stick to it. It's easier for the female hamster to rationalize away giving her illness to others, but as a dude, I perceive you as holding some social responsibility. Think of, "The Butterfly Effect," your nondisclosure could result in. Ethically, the choice is to disclose every time with every girl. But if you can live with knowing your direct inaction might have caused a woman to not have children, die, live on medications, etc, go right on.
Each one of us has the choice every single day to improve the world we live in, or not. We can throw our plastic can chokers into the ocean where they proceed to strangle turtles, but I, personally, cut these plastic scraps so as to minimize their risk in case they don't make it to the landfill. I'm disappointed when I see other people wasting less carefully, but I can live with my decision because I know when I am in a situation, I take care of the trash.
Part of my self esteem is deriven from my belief in my proprietary code of ethics. When I steal something, even when I don't get caught-- I feel bad. I have the pride of self in doing my best, and acting in the smartest, best way given the information I am endowed. It's a personal choice, though-- how sociopathic are you?
Questionnaire7 8y ago
Im an Eagle Scout. Not very sociopathic at all.
What I see in TRP and PUA in general is the same catch 22 situation everywhere else. Be the change you want to see or go with the flow. In terms of picking up chicks we are essentially telling guys to treat women less as well as their blue pill counterparts & expect them to react positively, which they do. And right there we are accounting for a positive reaction to a negative behavior, we are telling people not to be the change they want to see, but instead to swallow this red pill and go with the flow. So why should I be the change I want to see?
I can't imagine a single chick (that I actually want to bang, Im sure I could get 3s, 4s, & 5s lined up around the block even disclosing) at this age being ok with it. Even at 30+ years old I still fully envision a female already having HPV, not telling me about it and then acting like she holds all the cards & I should be indebted to her when I reveal.
Plate spinning with disclosure does not seem possible at all. Finding a decent LTR without having spun plates also does not seem possible.
-TempestofChaos- 8y ago
You are not the only dude with HPV out there. Do not for a second think that you are the only one with that problem. Do not think that everyone else with it doesn't have sex.
Will it change your close rates? Sure, but close rates are just that. A rate.
Every woman when she wants sex WILL have sex. I'd bet a decent portion won't give a damn if you make her want you.
That being said, YOU SHOULD DISCLOSE. First off, I believe it is illegal not to, and a judge will fuck you with The Long Cock Of The Law. Also being that it is a moral thing. We are not women, we have moral and ethic codes for ourselves.
End of day, disclose that shit. Get better at game. Go to gym. I guarantee you that if you are truly good at this shit, you will be able to bag women that aren't 4's-5's. Would people fuck Chuck Norris if he had HPV. Fuck yeah they would. Go and find your way. After all, if HPV people couldn't fuck WE WOULDN'T HAVE HPV.
But most women here are vaccinated. You could easily convince them that if it's an issue, they're vaccinated. Will it sway them? Who knows. Never had that issue.
Eternasphere 8y ago
Lots of women are vaccinated so you're just going to have to find that niche. And I think in your case you're going to have to go for quality over quantity. So fewer but high quality partners. Perhaps LTR'S. I can't give advice about how to screen for vaccinated women but maybe there are other redpillers with hpv who could help.
Questionnaire7 8y ago
Thats what Im hoping for. I agree with the quality over quantity but what quality chick will expose herself to that? Its the quantity sluts that would be ok with it. If abundance mentality was not so necessary to move a relationship forward to being physical I would totally hold out for a girl I could take it slow with, but that is a 180 degree turn from what TRP teaches isn't it?
Im gonna be the one guy out there trying to practice Blue Pill ideology looking for a mate AND also be the one guy disclosing this? Or one of the only.... I may as well buy some lottery tickets while Im at it.
Eternasphere 8y ago
Noone is okay with it unless they are vaccinated. You're going to have to fit hpv vaccinations into the conversation to find if they'd had one but this is beyond the limits of my experience.
Questionnaire7 8y ago
The vaccination only deals with the cancer causing strains, not the wart causing strains. Literally if you notice you have it you don't have the dangerous one. Its completely superficial. Getting vaccinated does not protect against warts. Thats probably something I should have put in the OP.
Eternasphere 8y ago
Fuck. I hope you get the answer you're looking for.
Tough_Luv 8y ago
I disagree with all these comments. "HPV is so common that most sexually-active men and women will get at least one type of HPV at some point in their lives." Reread that a few times. Everyone does already have it, or will contract it... in some form. I also read 2/3 of the 20s/30s population already has it. It's compared to the common cold. My doctor even told me I don't really have to disclose it to partners...
I have a low risk strand of HPV, you need to understand if you have the low or high risk. I occasionaly get pimples and get them frozen off, easy peasy, just need a few days for the scab to recover. Low risk has no effect on women, high risk can lead to cysts and cervical cancer. However, by passing your low risk on to her, she could potentially pass it on to another male partner.
Questionnaire7 8y ago
Are you worried about lawsuits or serious repercussions?
What would you do if you ended up starting an LTR? Never talk about it? Seems hard, especially when you two will be drinking together or doing other drugs that get people talking a lot & feeling high levels of empathy.
Tough_Luv 8y ago
I've told LTRs, explained as I did above, and none cared in the slightest. They didn't ask for protection.
This is HPV, not HIV.
Questionnaire7 8y ago
Has the topic of STDs ever come up with any of them later? For any reason? I was thinking posts of your type would be really common here but its getting no crowd support its seems.
Tough_Luv 8y ago
In all of my LTRs. One was a resident preparing to be a doctor.
Start with protected sex. Then, after you fuck her good well and get her hooked... "I need to let you know I have a HPV. It's the low risk kind, so it doesn't affect women at all, but I may get pimples sometimes and have to have them removed." "It's really not a big deal, do some research yourself, more then 1/2 of people in their 20s have it." Be calm, project that it's not a big deal.
Commence unprotected sex with no fucks given by either.
LordThunderbolt 8y ago
You're scum dude.
Tough_Luv 8y ago
I think you misread, this is HPV not HIV, and this is RP not BP.
Do you tell all your dates you have a cold? No. But you better let them know if you have Ebola.
It's more likely then not you and many of the women you have been with have HPV already in some form. Very likely actually.
LordThunderbolt 8y ago
You're making the assumption for them, you're a scumbag. If I have a cold I do give a heads up. What yoh have is an STD, you're supposed to disclose that info if you're rawdogging. Again, that's a dummy and I hope u catch some wild shit from a bitch to teach u a lesson. That bullshit statistic about one out of 2 people have hpv or whatever is nonsense. And it's still not a reason to pass it on to those that don't have it.
There's nothing RP about being a scumbag who passes STDs to people.
Tough_Luv 8y ago
You've done nothing but make assumptions in every statement you've made, nor do you understand even the most basic medical concepts.
You can find that "bullshit" statistic in every single relevant medical document that exists on the subject.
Also the way you write makes you seem like you have brain damage.
Questionnaire7 8y ago
You roasted him in a professional manner until this point.
a_regular 8y ago
There are a lot of types of HPV. The kind you have is on your dick. Almost every woman in a 1st world country is vaccinated for this at 9-12 years old. Take this however you want.
EseJandro 8y ago
I feel like I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I passed it on to other ppl. Know you are doing the right thing and disclose. (That's what I'd do)
Questionnaire7 8y ago
To be honest I have a hard enough time with women. Ive had sex 2 times in 25 years. I want to disclose but I also dont want to be alone till the days of my prime are past.
EseJandro 8y ago
I can understand that, it's a tough situation for sure. But I know you're posting because you know in yourself what the right thing to do is. You just wish there was some selfish prick here that told you want you want to hear.
Questionnaire7 8y ago
So far only one of those pricks has spoken up
[deleted] 8y ago
You stupid selfish mother fucker.
plasticslug 8y ago
Sorry to hear what has happened to you. What sucks is a huge percentage of dudes here spinning plates here have it and dont show symptoms. Shitty part is you do have it and and you are aware of it. In a perfect world you would calm your game down, disclose it and hope for the best. Truth is if you would not ever want to be with someone who could change destroy your sex life, and they probably would would want the same. I think acceptance is the first step, wrap it up, disclosure and go from there. Best of luck
Questionnaire7 8y ago
Thing is this doesn't destroy a sex life. Herpes kind of does, HIV certainly does
blarggggggggggg 8y ago
I've had it 20 years and disclosed it to everybody when the time comes. I've had 5-6 short term things or one-nighters and 2 LTRs since that time. Only one time was it an issue and it was only that she didn't want to give me unprotected oral.
I actually had to deal with this disclosure conversation this past weekend. I was somewhat nervous about her reaction but it went well - it seemed to be a trust builder and was not a deal breaker at all.
sunkindonut149 8y ago
Yes it does. It protects against HPV6 and 11, which cause warts.
[deleted] 8y ago
Isn't that the virus that does nothing to men?
Questionnaire7 8y ago
It can cause warts to pop up. But yes its mundane as all get out.
[deleted] 8y ago
Disclose nothing then
jackandjill22 8y ago
WTF.
[deleted] 8y ago
If you don't disclose you have a cancer causing virus then you deserve every lawsuit you get OP.
Tough_Luv 8y ago
The virus increases her chances of contracting cervical cancer, if it's the high risk strand (most are not, nor is OPs), but it does not directly cause it. Tell me how you will objectively prove the cancer developed because of the HPV. You can't, and no lawsuit would hold water. Can you reference a single specific case of an HPV based lawsuit? Try you won't find any.
Doctors will even say you don't need to disclose it.
Questionnaire7 8y ago
The wart causing strains do not cause cancer.
OldSnoop 8y ago
Whether they cause cancer or not, it's the right thing to do to inform someone they have a risk of getting a disease.
Imagine how shitty it would feel to be in their shoes.
Good luck
Questionnaire7 8y ago
There's no imagining I already know
[deleted] 8y ago
So you've been tested for all the strains you have? Some how I think not...
Questionnaire7 8y ago
There is no test for men. You may as well err on the safe side and begin disclosing to partners yourself with that logic.
Questionnaire7 8y ago
There is no test for men. Do you tell women that you may have an undetectable cancer causing strain of HPV? I think not.
If you notice you have warts its not the cancer causing type. If you notice you have nothing you may have cancer causing HPV. So let me ask you, do you have nothing? Do you tell women you may be giving them cervical cancer? Didnt think so. I appreciate the time you are spending in this topic but it seems like you should brush up on HPV facts.
[deleted] 8y ago
I don't need to brush up on my HPV facts. You KNOW you have an STD stupid.
Who knows what other strains you have.
The__Tren__Train 8y ago
It's illegal not to disclose it, you could be sued for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Tough_Luv 8y ago
For HPV lol. Show me one documented lawsuit. There are none.
The__Tren__Train 8y ago
you can be civilly prosecuted under tort law
Tough_Luv 8y ago
Show me one case, ever, of someone being successfully prosecuted from transmitting HPV.
It's near impossible to prove, nor does the severity of the incident constitute a valid reason to waste valuable court resources.
The__Tren__Train 8y ago
ROSSITER v. EVANS
compensatory damages of $700,000.
punitive damages of $800,000.
The__Tren__Train 8y ago
here's the link.
http://www.leagle.com/decision/In%20IACO%2020091230338/ROSSITER%20v.%20EVANS?