This is my first Red Pill field report. I am keen to know what you folks think. It was certainly a different experience then is typical for me.
About me:
I am a white Canadian who moved to Panama a few months ago to pursue business opportunities, and spend time with my family living there. I recently acquired work that allows me to practice my Spanish, though it has very long hours, and I live in a house by the beach.
Body:
Yesterday night, I was running along the beach as is my habit. I am overweight (probably 29-31 BMI) and I have been trying to cut weight since I moved. I move past a group of Latins, two men, and three women who are drinking by the beach.
"Hey Gringo! Come join us!" One of the men entreats, while the girls giggle and look me over. I am a little nervous, since my Spanish is still very remedial, but I take a seat and start talking with them. Immediately the women start flirting with me, and we trade a pidgin mix of Spanish and English as I try to pick up more words. I am handed a beer, and I sit beside one of the women. (HB7, she looked good in a bikini) (I will call her Lana for the purposes of this report.) It turns out they are celebrating a birthday of one of the other women.
One of the other girls, a close friend of hers pulls out some photos and say we look good together, and so I wrap my arm around her and they begin taking photos. I smile and press her closer, and she reciprocates by cuddling close. I get a wolf whistle from one of the other men and a comment of 'Buen Chica, Si?" I begin talking quietly with Lana, the language barrier is difficult, but she is throwing me all sorts of indicators, so I was not too frustrated with our occasional inability to communicate. I learn she is twenty eight years old, with a child in Venezuela, but no father. She is working down in Panama in clubs she says. (We will get more to this part later.)
For those who do not know, Venezuela is currently a socialist shithole, where hyperinflation has effectively destroyed the country, and citizens are trying to leave en masse. They often go to Panama.
I nod my head, and grab her another beer. She begins petting my leg. 'Dame un beso' she says. So I tilt her head back and we kiss for awhile. After about another ten minutes of this, while I occasionally talk with the other Latins, I ask if she wants to go to my place for some wine.
She says (Translated) "Why do you want me to go to your house? I like the beach right now. Wine? Bring it here! We could enjoy some on the beach." She smiles suggestively, and I nod my head, because I am getting some play, and I head back to my house. A five minute walk later, and I come back with two bottles in tow. I am greeted with a grateful cheer, and the party goers quickly pass the bottles around, with Lana pouring a cup for me, holding it while I drink. At this point we are slightly aside the others, and continuing to kiss occasionally, pleasantly drunk.
The birthday girl (We will call her Maria) gets up and runs towards the beach, and the other women move to follow her. Carlos, the leader of the group and the only one who speaks fluent English elbows me, and says "We are going to my house after, maybe buy some beer. Go grab your girl."
We walk arm in arm to Carlos' house, where he passes out a few more beers. I am offered some of the birthday cake, and Maria says she will cook a meal for me.
Lana grabs my hand, and begins dancing for me. She says "Do you know Salsa?" as she performs the steps. I say no, that I never danced much in my home country. She says 'Well, every man knows how to dance something." before turning around and grinding her ass into my crotch, hip-hop style.
At this point I am enjoying the night, and not thinking much about what would progress next. Then she says to me "We could go to your place, get some more wine. Carlos wants some money for alcohol."
I walk her to my house, and it begins to rain. Once inside Lana begins inspecting it, before settling on a couch. I pour her a glass of wine, and she says "I do not think we should go back, it is raining outside."
Recognizing this for what it is, heavy petting ensues, and she ends up in my room, on my bed, with me slowly removing her clothes while we grind against each other. I have her top off, and I reach for her pants, only for her to place a hand over it. "No, I do not do that." Recognizing this for LMR, I just ignore her words, and keep kissing her, occasionally reaching towards the button on her pants.
She says (translated) "Not in my pussy, only people who pay money for that." I admit I am pretty into it at this point, so I flirt with her, asking how much (This may have been a mistake), but realizing what is going on now. I pretend not to understand her words that well, while continuing to pet her. I remove my wallet from my pants, and tuck it into the dresser, while continuing to kiss her. She is straddling me at this point, grinding, but those damn pants are still on.
After three tries getting those pants off, I says simply that I will not pay for sex, and I get up, before slowly putting my clothes on, and helping her. I admit I was pretty pissed off at this point and broke frame a little. She kept asking me 'What is the matter?" with a concerned croon. I would only respond coldly saying 'Nothing is wrong." This happens for a few minutes, and then I stand her up, and say I will walk her back to her friends place. I had a decent night, but sometimes you just have to say no.
We arrive at her friends place, but the gate is locked, and it is raining outside. I am not particularly caring much at this point, as this girl tried to hit me for cash. However, I do have my gentle side, so after ten minutes of waiting, I say she can wait in my house until her friends message her back. I may not like her behaviour, but I am not the sort of man who leaves a woman out in the rain at midnight.
She comes back into the house, and sits awkwardly, I disrobe to sleep, and say I will take a shower. She lies down next to me in the bed, her head on my shoulder. I do not make her leave, but I am not responding much. Eventually, the tension grows too great, and I begin kissing her again, and pull her on top of me. I disrobe her, but this time she lets me take her pants off, and immediately begins using her hand on me. I check her with a finger, and she was so slick she was staining the sheets. So at that point, I slip on a condom, and have some of the best sex I've ever had since moving to this country.
In the morning I cook her breakfast, and I walk her out. She asks me about money again, but I say that I would not pay her. She cleans my dishes, and straightens up my living space (I work too much to spend much time on cleaning.) I walk her out to her friends house, give her a kiss, and take her number, saying if she would like, we could meet again next Monday. I will message her in a couple days and consider offering her a present for her time with me. (But not money.)
Concluding Notes:
-LMR is a real bitch sometimes.
-Be prepared to walk away. Do not over invest in a sexual opportunity. Abundance mentality.
-Observe her actions, not her words.
-Poorer Latinas will occasionally try to hit you for money if you are a Gringo. They are not necessarily prostitutes. Do not give it to them if you want good sex.
-Women want sex just as much as men do. If you are getting IOIs, Maintain your frame.
-With enough money difference the AF/BB dynamic turns more into a power dynamic. Take note.
Update: Not a call girl, or a prostitute she works six days a week in retail. She just tried to hit me for cash because of my status. I recommend reading HS.Thompson`s insightful comment on resource disparities.

[deleted] 8y ago
ya, man, you're so busy with work and with the grind that you have time to jog on the beach, hang out with random passer-bys on the beach, and then write up a field report. you're not busy at all, lol.
Epictetus2017 8y ago
I work very long hours (13 avg day) I do not have to work very hard however and have easy internet access. I didn't sleep that night at all, just went straight back to work.
There is a distinction.
I also do not waste my time playing moronic videogames, or working for a corporation who does not give a flying shit about me.
I would rather build my own and live on the beach in the tropics.
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Well you must not be pushing yourself very hard if you can just fuck around and then go into "work" for ~13 hours each day. Do you just like spin a pencil each day and make a few phone calls? What do you do exactly? It must not be very demanding of you at all.
Why are video games moronic, but giving an alleged prostitute your attention all night and trying to get into her pants not moronic?
Dil26 8y ago
So you fucked a prostitute for free?
TheBunk_TB 8y ago
When I was down there, you always ran into moonlighters or chicks who were hustling for side money. There are a few full timers. Not every chick would hit you for cash, sometimes just for taxi money.
Epictetus2017 8y ago
Any tips on how to spot it/deal with it?
I can see a prostitute a mile away, but not someone suddenly trying to get paid. This probably will not be the last girl that tries this.
TheBunk_TB 8y ago
My only suggestion is honesty to tell them sternly that you don't pay for sex. Also, don't look thirsty. If you go anywhere near certain clubs and bars, (Josephine area?) They might be working. That and avoid when the Navy comes in. Most women that work out of a place might tell you that you need to pay a fee to go out. If you hear this, say you don't do that. They are prostitutes. I'm not saying you won't get a freebie but you might find a college student to try and hock you for money.
Epictetus2017 8y ago
That's pretty much how I intended to approach it. I work 6 days a week fourteen hours a day, so frankly I do not always have time for women. (Starting businesses requires this.) So I am willing to work out an arrangement, (gifts, cab money). I just do not care for prostitutes.
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Hillarysdilddo_2016 8y ago
First one is on the house. Her pimps (male friends) may pay you a visit later.
Epictetus2017 8y ago
I made gentle inquiries with one of her male friends to make certain I hadn't mistakenly stumbled into a cathouse party the day after I dropped her off. If I had gotten any hostility, I probably would have paid, and never contacted these people again.
Pro escorts always count the money first, and insist it is on the table when they walk in. I've enough experience with that through business. They do not get hot and heavy and start drinking first, or spend five hours seducing a John. (Hardly a good ROI in that.)
A good reminder, it is different out here.
Epictetus2017 8y ago
Possibly. I am still not certain. Language barrier is a bitch.
I am inclined to think she just saw me as an easy target to get some money, and not necessarily as a working john. It was clumsily executed compared to other call girls I have known.
TheRedPillRipper 8y ago
Good job holding frame u/Epictetus2017.
Beach/Sand sprints are insane for building speed, leg definition and cutting weight. If you haven't got them in your workout throw them in. Your legs will thank you for it!
1v1crown 8y ago
Or her pimp has already shown up since you posted this response and you are dead. Life is cheap in panama
Epictetus2017 8y ago
You may be thinking of another Latin American country. Panama is actually pretty safe when it comes to violent crime, especially if you are an individual with some status. (Like an expat or a wealthy man with a good ZIP code.) Lots of petty theft, but the murdering and assault tends to occur in other countries.
Obviously, walking through a slum is a bad idea, but I do not need to ever go to those sorts of places.
destraht 8y ago
Hey man how is the "Romance" district these days near Noriega's old house/palace and that famous diner with the Coca Cola sign? Last I was there approaching ten years ago the heavily armed police had cut out paths through hard core druggy areas and they would try to stop you from going just one block off of that path. I imagine that it could be completely different there now.
Epictetus2017 8y ago
The city feels modern and alive. It has terrible urban planning, but it is generally a far safer place then during the dictator era.
If by Romance district, you mean Casco Viejo, (Which is the old city, with the coca cola sign) it is a combination of slum, and entertainment district, filled with squatters, but also the best bars and clubs in Panama City. I was there for a Halloween birthday party in one of the rooftop hotels and it was an incredible party on every block, with so many people that cars couldn't use the roads effectively.
The city is offering impressive incentives, such as near zero property tax for those entrepreneurs willing to buy property, and renovate it after kicking out all the squatters. Just have care not to go down the wrong street...
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
Good Lord! Well then asshole it is darlin.
Epictetus2017 8y ago
A poor translation on my part, but I will take this under advisement friend.
[deleted] 8y ago
If you give her a present you are paying for sex. Don't be stupid and don't let her use you, she wants money since the beginning
Epictetus2017 8y ago
Of course I am being used for money. Just like she is being used for sex.
Every woman uses men for resources. The difference is in whether you buy favor because you want to, or because you have to in order to keep a woman. I pay on my terms, not hers, but I will still be expected to pay somehow. Especially in a conservative culture. The difference is I am choosing the transaction terms, and suckers let predatory women choose the terms for them.
I will not buy sex, or attention, but I will pay for other aspects (Dinner, the occasional piece of jewelry, clothing, or experiential opportunities) to better enjoy female company.
No such thing as a free lunch.
[deleted] 8y ago
I not agree, you are paying to a "beta" women istead of invest time, money, whatever to get interesting womens.
HS-Thompson 8y ago
It's different in third world Latin American countries, the prostitute/civilian line is a little more blurry when you're a wealthy white American.
Some girls in a Latin American town are whores, when they left the house for the evening they were looking for men to pay them for sex. Some girls aren't whores, when they went out they were looking for a normal good time, but when they meet you they're interested in what you can do for them, and they might start to resemble whores for the evening at least.
Whether you care about that distinction or not is up to you. The analogy I use is to imagine that you went out for the night in NYC and had $50-75k to spend on entertainment that evening, and everyone could tell. Like you were acting like your normal self, but your shoes cost $24k and your watch cost $125k. You have a private jet on standby outside.
Girls would fucking notice that's for sure. And a girl who might have been going out normally for the night until you showed up would definitely start to wonder what you could do for her if you ended up hitting it off.
It's just different when there's such a mismatch of resources. I've spent a bunch of time in both kind of situations -- specifically in third world environments as a westerner, and in NYC with a group of billionaires -- and the situations have a lot in common.
All relationships are transactional to some extent. Some more than others, but generally the greater the mismatch in resources the more transactional they are. That's how the world works, might as well enjoy the ride.
mikeys_legendary 8y ago
You don't even have to be a white expat. I lived in Colombia (Medellin) for quite some time and I'm pretty far from white. Finding a good looking non-working girl was still easy as shit.
As soon as they hear Spanish isn't your native language it's a wrap.
destraht 8y ago
I have a 19 year old amazing looking black girl down in Cali, Colombia and I'm considering returning in January when my time resets. She is good enough looking to attract almost every foreigner or local for sex (unless they just don't go black) but getting that commitment/regularity for her with a larger package is always going to be difficult to find. Over the last twenty years I've had a number of super amazing looking girlfriends so I know that I can get them in any country, eventually. In the Northern California it just means more work, less often and with more emotional and personality compromises. Well this black Colombian woman is one of the very best looking I've ever been personally connected with (not services) and I attribute this to my combination of foreigner/passport status and my looks. There isn't much obesity down there but many men have a small pudge belly and just don't give a shit since the puss flows so easily. The abundance mentality is just baked into the environment and so its just a matter of with her or not with her. In the beginning I did two soft break ups with her and she was terrified into submitting to my reasonable preferences. Yes though she is living in a shit part of the city and is by definition rather poor. The thing is though that she has such simple immediate expectations that I don't need to actually use my resources on her and just having it goes a long way.
Epictetus2017 8y ago
I am traveling to Medellin for a business convention soon. Colombian women are stunning, and I had to try not to openly gawk last time I was there.
I recall pointing out this one gorgeous girl on the street (HB8, huge bust, big ass, long flowing brown hair, slim, and with perfect cheek bones) and my companero shrugs in that detached manner of a veteran degenerate and says "She is about average, amigo."
I later saw enough of the country to confirm his comment.
okiedokie321 8y ago
Do you care if she gets dick on the side? They almost always do. It's Colombia after all.
Troll_Name 8y ago
The Official Redpill Standard is that she's just supposed to be part of your fan club and vice versa.
Do guys in general care? Yes. Have they been conditioned to shut the fuck up about it? Yes. Do women like being attached to men who have been beaten down like this? No.
Think whatever you will of this.
destraht 8y ago
Name a place where that isn't a thing?
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Epictetus2017 8y ago
Yeah, I think you summarized it very well for my situation. This was the part I was mulling over and trying to make sense of, because I do not have much experience with this kind of economic mismatch. I never used to think of sexual strategy this way.
In my own country, I was pretty well off in resources, but here it is about being a bigger fish in a smaller pond. One of my friends who is heavily involved in business startups and stock trading described it as 'Your share value just went up by moving to Panama, Epictectus2017.'
HS-Thompson 8y ago
Yes this is a very important point. I have posted a fair bit on this exact topic here at TRP actually because it seems like a situation that many men here don't really have any first hand or intuitive experience with.
When you're middle class or even upper middle class, you run the risk of being "beta bucks" and have to be careful not to be taken advantage of. It's a common discussion here, there's an argument that women will be less sexually attracted to you if they see you have resources.
That's of course nonsense, they aren't attracted to you either way, "beta broke" isn't somehow better than "beta bucks". If you aren't attractive and also don't have money, you're literally invisible. But if you aren't particularly attractive, but do have middle class money, they might be interested in what you can do for them. Hence, beta bucks.
That dynamic only works in that middle class context. When you have way, way, way more money than they ever will, when you are on an entirely different level financially from the rest of the culture you are in, that represents power.
Power is viscerally attractive. Men who are obviously way more wealthy than everyone around them are not beta bucks, they're just rich and powerful. It's sort of equivalent to being a celebrity, where women are just drawn into the whole thing instinctively.
Most American or European men, including those who post here, have really no direct experience with this and don't have a language to understand how it works, because it's out of the usual Alpha/Beta or AF/BB dynamic that applies to most of us most of the time.
But extreme imbalances of financial power have interesting implications on male/female relationships, as you discovered. It's fucking awesome by the way, all you have to do is understand it and learn how to hold frame and have boundaries and the world is yours.
Epictetus2017 8y ago
This is exactly the sort of comment that I was hoping to find when I made this FR. Thank you for explaining something I had realized in my gut, but not yet mentally made the connection. This is by no means the only encounter I've had here, but it was the one that demonstrated what you have said the most.
WhorehouseVet 8y ago
That's an excellent dissection of having money doesn't mean you're automatically beta buck. I'm still surprised that some TRP posters don't want to Rich because in their heads BB is rich, and AF is poor. It's like Donald Trump prior to being the POTUS, he's not that handsome, but he's rich enough that it gives him power.
You spoke of some topics you've posted, what would you recommend?
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TopTRP 8y ago
I lived in the zone for 2 years.
Thoroughly enjoyed my time there, and yeah it's common for women to target gringos for money.
Don't pay attention to the people throwing around the prostitute label, things work a little differently in 3rd world countries. Doubtful she is an actual sex worker.
While you're there make sure you go big for Carnival (honestly it's hard not to) and get in a fishing trip if you're even remotely into that kind of thing.
Epictetus2017 8y ago
I have heard Southern Panama has pretty awesome Marlin fishing. Will do.
I have heard similar comments of Gringo targeting by 'normal girls on the street', because I asked a close friend who I knew would keep my confidence his opinion on this. Good that someone here is confirming it.
max_peenor 8y ago
Well, given the transactional nature of the sex most people have, I think it's a label not thrown around enough.
TheBunk_TB 8y ago
In Panama and many parts SA that i visited; it was always a shade of gray. Moonlighters, students, party girls, etc.
Troll_Name 8y ago
This is what 'dirty word' looks like in the 21st century.
TopTRP 8y ago
I absolutely agree, in fact i actually wrote "all women are prostitutes in some way" in my post originally but took it out since it changes the focus of the message.
ThomasHobbesROK 8y ago
Very believable story. Even if she was just a prostitute, be proud you held frame. Seems like you had a decent night.
Epictetus2017 8y ago
She was not a prostitute it turns out.
[deleted] 8y ago
Looks like cold silence won out in the end even if it took all night
Epictetus2017 8y ago
It took about 5 hours of buildup, but I enjoyed most of it. I was not objective oriented.
There is a certain 'push and pull tension' I think to these sorts of interactions that I never noticed before my TRP readings. Someone else might be able to explain it better. But the result of that tension was I had a pretty damn good night.
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ThickDickWarrior89 8y ago
I would have declined when she mentioned that she fucks for money. Idc how fine she is; that’s a turn off for me. I’ve got abundance and do not need a prostitute to get my load off at this point in my life.
Additionally- your post lacks credibility when you stated that you’re not in shape. You cannot be RP if you don’t lift. Unless you have some sort of debilitating illness, you’re wasting you’re selling yourself short.
Epictetus2017 8y ago
You are entitled to your opinion, subjective as it may be.
I do lift, and I do exercise. I've lost over 60 lbs in the last four months. In six more months, I will probably hit 10% BMI. In my athlete days, I lifted very respectable numbers due to my natural size and frame.
The reality is that you have to work with what you have in this very moment, and strive for better each day. I am confident in myself because I know I am doing the very best I can for my health at this particular moment in time.
ThickDickWarrior89 8y ago
What do you mean by “probably hit 10% BMI”?
barb9212 8y ago
I think he means 10% body fat which is extremely hard
Epictetus2017 8y ago
Losing weight is difficult to predict over long term as your body changes. Your minimum calorie intake and metabolism can change as you lose fat. Hence my six month estimate. It's a topic better left for a different discussion thread.
curiouswanderer2 8y ago
Dito sir. I don't get all the praise around here for banging prostitutes for free. I applaud your standards.
Epictetus2017 8y ago
I made some inquiries since the report. She was not a prostitute. Has a legitimate retail job. (Hb7 for Venezula, means more like Hb8 in North America. )Just a typical pretty woman off the street who thought she could get some sex and money. She just wanted one more then the other in the end.
The line is more blurred down here, I now realize.
curiouswanderer2 8y ago
Sounds like the philippines to some extent. Some girls here will cross that line. But they're always a hard next for me when they do. There's just too many other good girls to need to bother with that type. But that's just my standards. Nevertheless good on you for sealing the deal for free.
Troll_Name 8y ago
There's no such thing as standards.
In countries wealthier per-capita than USA, you can still find whatever facets of society you desire if you're truly looking for them. People complain more about mentioning this fact than they complain about the fact itself.
These women would pay to have sex with a rich guy, if not for the fact that rich guys are throwing the money at them. Match made in heaven.
JR-DC1 8y ago
Would never kiss after finding out her business activities. For the rest, well played.
Children_can_consent 8y ago
Congrats on the score, too bad she had to go back to the socialist shit hole that is Venezuela.