Much better formatting of the article I wrote (with graph) is here (also feel to subscribe to my minds account for other red pill style articles some of which I don't post here because irrelevant):
https://www.minds.com/blog/view/756158913941872640
Shitty reddit format (without graph):
This is a two part article discussing the current and future state of affairs for human reproduction. The first part illustrates that a rapidly changing environment benefits the young, which causes a natural increase in promiscuity and thus increased rates of divorce and single-parenting. The second part discusses how single-parenting and the decline of reproductive rates in first world countries has positive benefits and could even lead to higher innovation due to increased wealth distribution.
Rapid change causes promiscuity
A rapidly changing environment for humans leads first to an advantage toward the young. We are seeing this now in the information age where the entire world has changed at an exponential rate. With the invention of computers the richest people in the country aren't experienced elders, but innovative youth such as Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Zuckerberg. This makes perfect sense, in a rapidly changing environment the knowledge and expertise gained by the elderly becomes outdated and useless. In a static environment, the elderly are regarded highly, as they have had more time to become experts. For example, in a hunter-gatherer environment the elder has a gigantic advantage over the youth, the elder knows all the best hunting and gathering spots, deeply understands the nature of the plants and animals in the environment, has connections to neighboring tribes for trade, etc. But in a rapidly changing environment such as the information age the youth have the advantage; they can type magnitudes faster than their parents, they can intuitively learn how to use computers, and they can rapidly adjust to changes in socializing such as mastering internet prescence on facebook or instagram. My own parents for example brag about their ability to do arithmetic rapidly which is now basically useless with phones in our pockets 24/7.
One of the repurcussions of a youth centered culture is promiscuity. The youth are naturally sexually adventurous, have raging hormones and often rather experiment than stay in a stable long term relationship. In an elder focused society the youth would respect their elders enough to control their hormones and remain at least somewhat chaste, but in our current culture, elders are disregarded. This leads to escalating divorce rates, unplanned children, and single-parenting. This in turn leads to decreased performance among children in every way: higher rate of criminal activities, worse grades, lower incomes(1). But, this is evolutionarily advantageous. A rapidly changing environment, requires rapidly changing genes. The only way to increase the spread of adaptive genes is through female hypergamy and limiting the number of males that reproduce.
When things are stable, the current genes are "good enough", and so the bottleneck becomes aquiring as much capital to raise as many kids as possible. This motivates marriage, which gives females a stable increased flow of income from the husband. But if the average person's genes aren't "good enough" it doesn't matter how much a man provides, genes take precedence. This leads to women advocating for welfare and ailimony, so they can divorce or remain single and gain access to the best male genes while still getting steady income. It even motivates women to work themselves, because that lets them have complete freedom in mate selection. With modern technology they can just goto a sperm bank and get the best genes they can find, as long as they have the income to support the child.
Humans are simply not quite optimized for our current technology, we need rapid genetic change, and the only way to do that without total collapse in birth rates is to limit the number of males reproducing to only the best of the best. Overall the number of births still decreases, children are financially and emotionally worse off, but the genes are better which is worth it in the long run. Afterall, what's the point of spending all that money on a child if their genes destine them to misery because the behavior that makes them happy is now maladpative; just look at the increasing rates in depression and other mental disorders(2).
Decreased population can bring about increased innovation
With birthrates rapidly decreasing in first world countries(3), people are in a panic. However, they fail to realize decreases in population are actually often a good thing.
This is a graph of wealth inequality. Wealth inequality is usually a very bad thing, it implies corruption and exploitation, but even without that, it means less innovation. If the pay for an average worker is only enough to pay for basic surivival, there isn't enough savings to invest in entrepeneurial companies or innovative technologies. It can even lead to working overtime constantly which means less time for the worker themselves to research and innovate. Notice in this graph how WW2 caused a rapid decrease in wealth inequality. This has been the case for every rapid decrease in population, including things are horrendous as plagues(4). This is because lower supply of workers means less competition for jobs, that workers are able to leverage for higher pay. In fact we have the black plague in europe to thank for an end to surfdom, with such few workers left the workers actually managed leverage enough to get rights we now take for granted(4). With higher pay the worker can now invest in startups, spend time on side projects, and obtain new skills and knowledge.
Imagine you only need 10 workers for your factory. With an abundance of workers, you can get away with paying them only $20000 a year, assuming 20k is the minimum required to survive. You can also demand they have insane work hours with no increase in pay. WW3, a plague, or a mass decrease in fertility cause the population to plummet. Now when a worker threatens to leave you can't just say "there is a line of people begging for this job" as those people are dead, and so you are forced to give the workers increased pay. Lets say you only give the top best of your workers higher pay, eventually they leverage enough to now make 30k. You now have 5 people who can innovate or invest in innovation 10K a year when you previously had 0. Decreased population can result in more innovation.
It's speculated the population will grow to about 10 billion, and then plummet(5). Similar to how Japan's population is already starting to plummet. Countries in Europe are attempting to deal with this by mass importing immigrants. This is resulting in horrific culture clashes, rape, violence, and chaos. Unsurprising as many of these immigrants are illiterate (even in their own language), and come from societies where exploitation is the norm. Its sad to say that many people victims of exploitation, turn to it when finally given power "I suffered so much, I deserve to exploit others myself!" similar to the cycle of hazing in fraternities. These desperate attempts to increase fertility rate and population are actually bringing about inequality. We must follow Japan's example, in a few generations they will have a decrease in population, which will then cause an increase in wealth distribution and more rights as workers will become cherished instead of taken for granted. Of course if you're already wealthy and in the top 1% right now, you may want to maintain population so you can continue to obtain cheap labor.
References: Note I didn't want to link the actual papers these works are citing because these works are much easier to digest. They in turn list their own references which are more scienfitic if you want to fact-check.
(1): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um3EmS9DKsI
(3): https://ourworldindata.org/fertility/
(4): https://www.amazon.com/Why-Nations-Fail-Origins-Prosperity/dp/0307719227
(6): (Took for banner): https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ai-mean-less-people-more-profit-contact-centre-peter-elliot

AmeriStasi 9y ago
We’re going through population replacement, not a drop in population. Low birthrates are not healthy for your ethnic group to have. It makes you weaker and less competitive over the long term. You’re wrong.
sharp7 9y ago
You are right America is fucked because of illegal immigration. Japan is the example I cited though, which because its an island can control its immigration easily.
If everyone follows the rules overall things get better, but if there are cheaters in there (illegal immigrants and welfare abusers) cheaters win and everyone else loses.
talos42000 9y ago
We have entered the next Darwinian phase in history and the weak will be weeded out. My question is, who gets the real-estate after the Japanese are too weak to hold onto it? The U.S. has military bases in japan so it has the best claim, but what about China? Will the US be able to fend off a Chinese land grab?
sharp7 9y ago
Nukes change the game though. You dont need a giant army to defend your land anymore, you just need a relevant economy and some nukes. As long as Japan keeps enough people for those things its fine.
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And killer robots mean you never have too few men for your army in conventional warfare.
The world is on the verge of change as radical as the early years of the Industrial Revolution, which led to our current bloated population as we needed billions of people to run the machines. This time, we're going the other way, and will end up in a few decades with billions of robots making stuff for millions of humans.
sharp7 9y ago
Yep. Its a crazy time to live in. Shits probably going to get worse before it gets better.
talos42000 9y ago
Except for the fact that Japan doesn't have nukes. Also, you keep saying automation like it's supposed to mean something but here's the problem: machines don't buy stuff. People do. Without people to buy stuff, your economy grinds to a halt (there's no point to robot factories if nobody is buying stuff). As the population ages and decreases, whole industries are going to disappear, for example toy stores. Not enough kids buying stuff to keep them open, or any store that caters to the young. All is not lost, there is money to be made, particularly in the medical (taking care of old people) and salvage (tearing apart deserted towns for raw materials, e.g. copper) professions. Or renting derelict farmland to foreign countries like China. No matter how bleak the picture is, there is always some way to make money off it.
sharp7 9y ago
They have nuclear power plants and such so I'm sure they could build nukes (or have secret ones)?
You're right, lack of demand means that companies will have to shrink. Less people -> lay off people in company -> even less people -> minimum people to run society.
talos42000 9y ago
Sooner or later you will be absorbed by a more populous nation.
sharp7 9y ago
Definitely possible. But then why hasn't US absorbed mexico? Now adays its just cheaper to trade than absorb.
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sharp7 9y ago
False. They drive down the prices of labor by a lot. Which is normally good. The problem is the demand of jobs now exceeds the supply of jobs. Suppliers of jobs can exploit and abuse their power, and prevent the working class from enough savings to innovate which is the entire point of the post.
sadomasochrist Endorsed Contributor 9y ago
Get the fuck out of here with this orwellian doublespeak. "Enjoy the decline" is tongue in cheek. It's not literal. Though some men, do literally enjoy it.
You can love women, or understand them. Not understand and love them.
That's okay. But don't come in here Jim Jonesing us.
Hugh_Munghous 9y ago
I always figured some of the younger men here took the "enjoy the decline" thing seriously. In reality it's a fucking stupid idea and would lead to our generation committing a lot of the errors that we resent the Boomers for.
Reformed65 9y ago
Yes, so many beginners here romanticise "enjoy the decline", we mean that in a ironic way like "make the most of this fuckery"
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Dead__Hand 9y ago
Sounds like someone is still in the anger phase.
The sidebar material establishes clearly that women can be loved by a RP-aware man, provided he adjusts his understanding of what loving is. Rollo Tomassi has some great posts on this - particularly "Men in Love" and "Women in Love".
sadomasochrist Endorsed Contributor 9y ago
I am speaking in the notion that you do not adjust your understanding of what love is (male conception and love, the widespread accepted version), then my point stands just the same.
It's not the anger phase, you're just clearly a purple pill guy.
Still looking to get married and be an "alpha family man?"
Dead__Hand 9y ago
Read the fucking sidebar man.
sadomasochrist Endorsed Contributor 9y ago
Hilarious. Another straight out of Mitch's purple pill.
I mean what is your actual rebuttal?
Dead__Hand 9y ago
My rebuttal is:
(1) You do adjust your conception of love; and
(2) I am not "purple pill" for asserting the fucking sidebar material.
sadomasochrist Endorsed Contributor 9y ago
I'm calling you purple pill for trying to sideline comments of the uncomfortable truths.
If you adjust your concept of love then you're just lying to yourself. The male conception of love is innate, and that's fine. Just because it doesn't stand to scrutiny doesn't mean it's not real.
It's no different than understanding a woman's love for a man is real, but in a different way.
And again, I don't have to do anything except understand them and love what they can bring me. I don't have to do mental gymnastics for that.
There is no conceivable explanation other than self deception why a man would love hypergamy outside of admiration of it being an efficient system.
If men loved and understood or had no problem with this, the anger phase wouldn't exist.
So to argue for it, in any way, is just Koolaid bait.
None of the sidebar material requires you to do any mental gymnastics, just accept hard truths.
So again, I'm sure you still have ideas in your head about being "an alpha family man."
Point blank, yes or no?
Dead__Hand 9y ago
I was simply responding to your assertion that you can either love women, or understand them. That is not what the sidebar material says.
We have saying around here - a Red Pill truism: men love women, women love children, children love puppies.
sadomasochrist Endorsed Contributor 9y ago
Yes, but that statement contains a qualifier. As mentioned before, it requires a redefining of love in a non-male form (one way).
The male conception of love is two way. Women did not conceptualize love in the media, men did. So the concept of love, is a male one, which is unconditional, and bilateral.
We know this isn't how it works. So like I said, you can either choose to redefine love into a female compatible format, or you can retain the male definition, and realize that you can't love a woman, in that way, merely understand her.
I wouldn't call what I have for women now, a love at all. I feel it's more authentic to just say I understand them.
That doesn't mean I don't understand the content, and your steadfastness that I need to read the sidebar or that the red pill states that men can love women, is misguided.
It is widely acknowledged within TRP that our understanding of love, is not recognized by women. So men who love women in that way are inherently blue pill.
What you're asking me to do is to redefine my own internal feelings, which is counterproductive. Instead I merely understand what a woman is receptive to, and pattern my behavior accordingly.
But in that degree, I can no longer agree that my "love" is what I and most men understand love as.
Which is probably more akin to codependency.
I believe the traditional media representation of love is codependency.
Dead__Hand 9y ago
Right, I understand what you are saying. However, your refusal to redefine love into RP terms is a personal one at odds with sidebar orthodoxy. You do you, I was just putting that out there.
popthatpill 9y ago
Is promiscuity actually rising for men? I find it much easier to believe that male promiscuity is being ground down by ever-widening SMP inequality.
Every now and again you see articles that claim that promiscuity among the young is falling (eg. here's one I saw today), but (big surprise) they never provide separate figures for men and women.
jackandjill22 9y ago
Are there exact criteria Hyman have been identified regarding SMP inequalities yet? I've definitely seen it in a too myself.
sharp7 9y ago
I miss wrote, divorce rates aren't increasing, its just that marriage is declining and single-parenting is on the rise. In the minds.com link I edited it to include some more references to that.
jethreezy 9y ago
I'm skeptical as well about the mean level of male promiscuity rising, but the variance has probably been increasing. Back in more stable times, you had to be literally nobility or commanding the resources on par with that of nobility to be able to get ass like a king. Nowadays you just need to have tight game.
Kingoffistycuffs 9y ago
Well, while true how is it for getting poon? Perhaps it's super easy? Well my bet on the selection pressures that are affect (effecting?) are inquisitive and curiousness. After all while the numbers have grown here on trp it's a tiny fraction of overall population and an even smaller minority actually put it to use ( myself not included) so if you question and are a doer then your future as has always been the case is very bright.
For the people who just question but are not really actively doing things they're given the tools to become a doer even though the pace is slow.
So, for the "best" his points in my opinion are spot on. So while the tools are out there to build a perfect life many people are scared of them like a lefty anti gun activist even touching a gun.
So ultimately it's people's choice to be ignorant and to piss in there own tool box instead of stocking it with top quality tools. You get the metaphor I'm sure :D!
Thoughts?
Omnibrad 9y ago
How many years of declining birthrate do you think it will take for the American Welfare system to collapse?
saint_pill 9y ago
As technology automates more jobs, society becomes richer and it becomes easier to give people basic welfare. So it may never collapse. For example, in the 1790 around 90% of the world's population spent their time producing food. To give everyone free food would have cost something like 50% of the GDP. We now give about 1/5th of the US population free food for 0.3% of GDP. (SNAP budget is $70 billion out of $20 trillion GDP to give 44 Americans food).
Welfare can be horribly damaging to the communities that receive it, but it definitely becomes cheaper to offer.
[deleted] 9y ago
But why would anyone do that? In the Industrial Era, welfare was justified on the grounds that those people would be needed, sooner or later, to start another job, and would repay that welfare in taxes. In this case, they'll never, ever have a job, and never provide any economic value to those who are paying for it.
And, remember, those people have votes, so they won't be happy with 'basic' welfare for long.
The happy, fluffy SJW future where 99% of the human race is on welfare while the other 1% do all the work is simply not going to happen.
0signal0 9y ago
Or for the white American population to disappear? Because the Latinos and the blacks are not experiencing a decrease in their birthrates.
OP is dumb.
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ilovepooponmychest66 9y ago
Hey ask the cucks, based on your name a lot of people here are doing the same thing you're doing.
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DarkuSchneider 9y ago
It has been shown the birthrate has hit everyone. Immigrants also in one generation sees their birthrate fall in line with the average once they become part of the socioeconomic fabric of wherever they settle. In the last 5 years teen pregnancy has dropped by almost half in the US as well. That is part of Gen Z and their more conservative slant supposedly. I guess we will see how it plays out.
I_Need_More_Space_ 9y ago
I really hope Gen Z is conservative as speculated.
sharp7 9y ago
America's birthrate isn't declining because of mostly mexican immigration.
I think America is going to collapse sooner or later though. The debt ceiling increase is a huge warning sign for instance. And the 2008 crash is like a preview of whats to come, except it will be worse because the way we got out of that crash was with bailouts, meaning the core problem is still there but now even worse. Imagine you payed off your bills for a few years with credit cards, that's essentially what America did in 2008. When they come to collect the bills we are fucked.
popthatpill 9y ago
The bailouts were profitable.
sharp7 9y ago
Very interesting didn't know that.
Why does everyone talk about the next crash like an inevitability though?
popthatpill 9y ago
There's an old joke that goes something like "economists have predicted ten of the last three recessions."
Anyway, outlandish economic predictions get more eyeballs. It's clickbait.
sharp7 9y ago
True... could just be clickbait. But, the rising national debt, student loan debt, etc still scares me.
Bgb_bdn 9y ago
From a southern european perspective, i find it hard to believe that third world countries are lowering their population, maybe they have less population because their youth immigrates to first world countries.
In spain the future demographics look very depressing. Most young people want 0 or at max 1 children. Many men i know are in his 30's with no prospects of children, they hate the modern dating culture and dont want to deal with the backlash of a possible divorce etc.
Economic situation is very unstable and people have a hard time dealing with having a stable job, a house and things that were considered normal to be able to raise a child properly.
Meanwhile we dont stop to see young immigrant women, mostly from north african countries having children nonstop, i assume to get some sort of welfare. Things will probably get very scary once this immigrant children rise in countries with not enough jobs and the rest of the european population is way older.
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sharp7 9y ago
This is the case for basically all first world countries minus immigration.
3rd world countries are still increasing their population as technology increases how much food, water and other resources they have. That's why people think the population will still grow to 11 billion, then decline.
lala_xyyz 9y ago
No it won't. Africa didn't decrease its population growth despite shitload of technological and social improvements after WW2 and the end of colonialism. Neither did most Middle Eastern Muslim countries where patriarchy is going strong. Global population will keep increasing until carrying capacity is hit, and the we'd have resource- and Lebensraum-related wars, which will be sold as ideology of the time. Population reduction of the West is but a symptom, the death throes of a sick civilization which steals from the young and productive and gives to the old and parasitical, and it all started by enfranchisement of women. It can and will be undone, together with democracy, before we turn into a Brazil.
sharp7 9y ago
But literally every first world country has the reproduction decrease though. You are basically saying "1st world countries that maintain traditional roles will keep reproducing" but its not true in every case. Even for muslim countries look at indonesia, they have similar reproduction to western countries.
African countries arent even close to a first world country, of course its going to keep increasing population.
Country needs a lot of people to build factories and machines and technology. Country is still 2nd or 3rd world.
Country is now 1st world. Machines now build machines and the country doesnt need that many people anymore.
I_Need_More_Space_ 9y ago
I did not read the whole post. I would agree that total births are going down in the West, but argue that poorly gifted genetics are propagating at an alarming rate due to promiscuity of slobs.
sharp7 9y ago
Its possible that only the intelligent are reproducing less, while the dumb are too stupid to follow the program. Could be awful, but at least the new generation will be happier in their ignorance.
Jobs are getting easier and easier with new technology in many ways. Maybe its more efficient for humans to be dumb and happy in the future instead of intelligent and bored out of their minds in their simple repetitive job.
Arnoux 9y ago
What is intelligent exactly? Looking at evolution perspective, not making babies is not intelligent at all.
Meanwhile "dumb" people prioritize family over career or study. Are they really dumb? They will last longer.
sharp7 9y ago
You have to look at long term over many generations.
Poor/dumb people tend to have more kids, but how many of those kids die to criminal violence? Or wind up as useless incels? Smart people raise a few kids but guarantee them to reproduce.
However, because of WELFARE this artificially changes so that poor people can now reproduce with abandon. Welfare rewards bullshitting.
[deleted] 9y ago
This is why we're not all super-intelligent nerds. Smart people have a hard time reproducing, for numerous reasons. Few of the really smart people I know have any kids at all.
DarkuSchneider 9y ago
Japan is already screwed unless they increase immigration or invent a video game that makes alphas out of the players. Their birth rate is below the level where a population vanishes unable to recover. The average age of the populous is around 60 or something. More younger people are leaving as well. Australia used to be the hot spot now its becoming Brazil for Japanese ex-pats.
I think we are seeing the human version of the mouse utopia experiment so yes the population will peak out and socially degenerate until it fails to reproduce in sustainable numbers and we will see steep drop after that. Though the question then is if anyone and anything of value is left to start over.
jackandjill22 9y ago
Everyone keeps referring to that "Mouse Utopia" project like it's the "Stanford prison experiment".
DarkuSchneider 9y ago
Because it bears many similarities to observations in society.
weeaboowehrbroo 9y ago
Limitless population growth just isnt sustainable
[deleted] 9y ago
Agreed. I won't make the stupid ass counter argument that "there's lots of available land". That's like a full gas tank and leaving your car on idle all night. Gas won't be available for long like that.
Hugh_Munghous 9y ago
The solution to population decline doesn't always have to be immigration or everyone banging like rabbits. After all, will the immigrants themselves not get old? Fortunately the Japanese are smart enough to know that importing foreigners into their country won't save it; it'll actually destroy the country by making it less Japanese.
DarkuSchneider 9y ago
There's this thing called replenishment levels to maintain a stable level and they have been below extinction levels for years. In 2-300 years at current pace there will be no Japanese born that's why their government is freaking out because they know this. All that will be left in Japan is robots when everyone dies of old age but will be taken over by someone else probably before that when they are too weak to be a country anymore.
[deleted] 9y ago
Doesn't hurt being a small country on an island, either. They don't have to worry about a wall.
[deleted] 9y ago
Japan is going to become a world leader in automation, because they refuse to import masses of foreigners to do the work.
Population across the West should be declining, because there's literally no use for 90% of the population in a post-industrial world. Mass immigration of incompatible, unskilled foreigners is a complete disaster.
DarkuSchneider 9y ago
They will do lots of innovating but with an extinction level birthrate they will not last forever. It's not that great of a place for large immigration as they have little usable land for housing near the jobs as consequence of geography. They are also a very racist and isolationist. Their homogenous society while orderly is stagnating itself to death and youth kill themselves at faster pace or leave for another country because it sucks now. Expats that move there fully intending to integrate to Japanese society and customs often find they are shut out. Japanese racism is one of the more softer forms now days. They just pity that others are not perfect like the Japanese and even if one integrates fully will NEVER be allowed to be Japanese in their eyes or regarded as one of them fully. The PMs aide got heat years ago by saying the only way foreigners could work in Japan is by using the apartheid state model and praised South Africa as an example which is a shit hole.
[deleted] 9y ago
We're 20 years away from growing kids in vats. More like 10 years if they were to ignore 'medical ethics' restrictions that are restricting development in the West right now.
So, long term, it's not a problem.
sharp7 9y ago
I don't think so. There overall GDP might decline a bit, but the per-person income will likely skyrocket.
I used to think it was a mouse-utopian experiment type plummet, but now I have a feeling its going to be more like WW2/Plague. Since we can't really wage giant wars anymore, and we wiped out plagues, we just have a reproductive massacre instead. And after the weak genes are gone, and you have all this infrastructure left so we all get more capital.
DarkuSchneider 9y ago
Well the difference with the utopia experiment is it was a very small closed environment with no migration to mix up the town and was in a large scale number for the small area they used to simulate crowding. We have in the past bounced back from hits before but nature is upping its game with new resistant STDs and HIV rates are going back up as well as other medical issues. While we don't do huge face to face wars often the world has major armed conflict somewhere 24/7. The weapons of today are also much more destructive not counting nukes which many crazies are trying to attain and will use them if they have them eventually. Growth-wise we are still in the leveling off phase where there is a long period of low/flat growth. Many spitball the 10 billion estimate but who knows where it actually tops out at. At the rate of consumption a global populous will not last long with the limited resources of Earth and will kill each other for the last scraps unless we get off this planet while possible but that's long term.
sharp7 9y ago
I don't think the natural resources are that much in danger. We already have "tree farms" so even wood is essentially renewable. There is also still a TON of oil out there (oil companies and certain countries stockpile it to make it seem scarce). By the time it runs out we'll have solar and who knows what tech to replace it.
True, but for now the amount of deaths from violence and war is way way way way way less than ever in human history. Humanity may need a new "filter".
DarkuSchneider 9y ago
Wood and oil are not the only things we need and oil has many uses besides energy production. There is also a growing shortage of heavy metals China has angled themselves into being a monopoly on a few. Contention of resources is the largest driver of conflict. The Earth habitability and resources will not last forever no matter what we do.
sharp7 9y ago
It will last a long ass time though probably. Also if china tries to hoard a metal, good chance people will find an alternative material.
But ya in general definitely need to keep sustainability in mind, but I definitely think its possible.
Luckylancer96 9y ago
First half of the post realy good. I have diffent opinions for second half tho. Some of sentences around post (even in first half) it bothered me. so many people use that kind of sentences and they are annoying me for some.
People here dont have good biology or evolution knowledge. They just hear thing around rather than taking any lessons about it. Level of analytical thinking is not that great too. These add up and result misconceptions about evolotion and instincts. I will shed some light.
Until intellegence emerged, no human, no AWALT, no animal fuck for better genes or reproduction. Fucking's purpose was only but only pleasure. Animals dont look for good genes too, they look for sexyness/tingles. Our primordial hindbrain cant understand concept of reproduction nor genes. First of all everyone who want to talk about evolution or instincts should understand the cause and effect relationship. Fuck/sexyness is the cause, reproduction/gene selection is effect.
A system which operate a chickens', spiders' and snails' sexual behaviour is not way too diffent than ours in core because it evolved very in an early ancestor. Animals dont select best genes or do this to reproduct. But if a organism gonna stay in nature for mileniums, it should
surviveor reproduce. Those who found better traits (genes) sexy lived with better offsprings, those who felt urge to have sex had more offspring even if they wanted or not. So fucking and reproduction, sexy and better genes have a lot in common but they are not the same thing and knowing this will increase your understanding of evolution. Without any understandation of a topic, newly generated knowledge is garbage unless you hit the bullseye with coincidence.Women dont look for better genes, they look for sexy men. Better genes make them sexy to some point. Sex drive lost its purpose as reproduction because of birth controll. Intellegent humam brain, the upper brain decide when to breed. So pls stop saying "women look for better genes(AF) after they found provider(BB)". They just want to have fun, get rewarded by their evolutionary hind brain with potantialy better gene mating. BUT women decieve hind brain with using birth control. So they dont want to have better gened children from side dicks&affairs but their hindbrain force them to fuck bad boys (AF) with hope of having better gened children. They are still sluts, bitches, AWALT but they dont do this to have children. Dont say "women chose best genes in sperm bank" too because it have nothing to do with sexual strategy of hind brain, it is just selecting better things. Selecting better thing is way diffent behavior than sexual strategy behavior. Selecting better things is operated in diffrent parts of brain with general usage rather than specialised usage. All of humans share this behavior.
There is another "evolition" misconception in this post too. "Better genes" dont mean better offspring in this era, atleast better genes of old time which cause sexyness. In this era intellegence, hard working, cunning have high priority rather than muscular bodies, cocky attitude. Nerds who study all day should had babes, high grades supposed to be sexy but evolution dont transform that fast. So OP's theory about having better gene children wont gonna help us unless we abandon tecnology. Better genes of old are not optimised for this era, they were good for old way of living.
I think a little self promotion is needed to distinguis myself from other people around here who excel in diffent professions but not science. I m not a TRP or relationship expert, I m have my own pros. I have high curiosity, I can understand basics of complex topics and this allow me to generate correct knowledge systematically (analytic thinking). This increased my sucsess in all 3 science classes in highschool. I could correcly found what would happened to a stich which thrown to black hole, how evolution worked, orbitals of atoms' effect on diffrent types of chemical boundings without seeing this in lessons. Now i study medicine. I m not the best. I m not supperior than other people. But I did not want to get treatment of "generic internet guy" after typing all those text walls. Maybe i can make a post about this topic too if people like what i said here.
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Bandos15 9y ago
Stop sucking your own dick. I do agree on the point that the genes women go for do not necessarily give them the best children for this modern time.
sharp7 9y ago
This was a pretty shittily written post I have to say (especially the last paragraph), but you bring up a good point: That women choose "sexiness" not so much "better genes". This is true, but I think you vastly underestimate how much pussy you can get from being CEO, rich, and coming from a fancy Ivy League school. Especially since there is a big difference between the guys chicks "fuck" and the guys chicks "fuck with the conscious intention of getting pregnant".
We will have to see if women are smart enough to actually pick good genes like hard work and intelligence over muscles and cocky attitude. Definitely would be awful if we have rapidly changing genes, but the new genes suck and are filled with cocky idiots.
[deleted] 9y ago
'Sexiness' is effectively a gene for future reproductive success. By mating with 'sexy' men, they improve their chances of having 'sexy' kids, who will have greater reproductive success and produce more grandchildren. Our DNA doesn't care about anything but reproducing itself as much as possible.
In the past, that was a great strategy, because 'sexiness' really didn't change for thousands of years. Today and the future, not so much, because the things that ensure reproductive success are no longer as cut-and-dried. A nerd with a few dozen artificial wombs in his basement can easily pump out more kids than a jock with a hot cheerleader girlfriend.
Patriarchysaurus 9y ago
You lost me when you referred to Bill Gates(62) and Steve Jobs (62 and deceased) as "youths."
saint_pill 9y ago
Bill Gates started Microsoft at 19. Steve Jobs started Apple at 21.
sharp7 9y ago
They made their fame and money when they were young. Bill Gates dropped out of college to start his own company for example.