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Cantloginhere 8y ago
Stop viewing women / people as individuals and open the door to social mastery. Specifically I am referring to cold approach and there after.
Consider this, people are a sum of DNA and experience and more alike than anyone will care to admit. In modern times you will find people living the same narrow mirrored lives side by side. The odds of a unique reaction to almost anything are very low especially within demographics. Humans are sickeningly predictable.
Start viewing women / people as the same individual and you will realise golden learning opportunities.
Imagine how quickly you would progress in a literal groundhog day environment, how your confidence would increase knowing you can simply reset later, like a pc game. Well the fact is practacly every encounter is exactly like that once you depersonalise it.
Tl:Dr. Treat people like clones test, learn repeat and you will nail getting what you want.
sadomasochrist 8y ago
The new way I think about all decision theory from a woman is this...
"What would Tiger Woods do?"
Hasn't really failed me yet.
Just imagine a person with unlimited resources, plenty of suitors and an interest in acting in a highly socialized manner with little to no self control who may or may not be good at golf.
Holes.
AwakenedSovereign 8y ago
The 'measure of a man' would be his delta quotient. This is his ability to adapt, improvise, learn, change and grow in a given measurement of time. The tip of the spear.
Regardless of their starting SMV in life or their peak / final SMVs, men with a high delta quotient will skyrocket from their origins like the IPO of Facebook. They tackle novel challenges with confidence, skill and emotional resilience, even in the face of failure. If you destroy them they will simply rebuild themselves, and likely become stronger, faster and smarter than before.
Men with low delta quotients stagnate or backslide. You can hand them a multimillion dollar inheritance, a family business, etc. and all they will do is piss it away or fail to improve on anything. Anything they currently have is fragile, subject to violation and destruction by stronger agencies. Once lost they can never reclaim it.
Crucially, female partners / prospects seem completely unable to identify the delta quotient. They see men only for what they have and what they can give, right now. They cannot see potential. Non-sexual females such as teachers, mothers, etc. are more able to see it, as are the men in your life who challenge you to grow and become better.
Ta11no 8y ago
Great theory, you should definitely elaborate on it more
empatheticapathetic 8y ago
What about women who attracted to general alpha traits that indicate future potential success: Connor mcgregors girlfriend, the girlfriend of the starving artist (many friends of mine are these).
AwakenedSovereign 8y ago
If Conor McGregor sat down in a wheelchair to never get up again, and lost his fame overnight, his girlfriend would disappear so fucking fast. If he does anything other than maintain or improve his existing status she will lose attraction to some degree. Maybe she stays, maybe they work through it. A has been is better than a never-been. But it will change.
The girlfriends of your starving artists are there because they ARE starving artists. Not their potential for being rich or famous. That is a niche, just like the tatted up drug dealer is filling a niche. Girls are attracted to such men because such men have something 'going on'. A mission, per se.
Stop slinging drugs or being an artsy hipster for anything that isn't cooler/better/higher status.. and she's gone.
Again, they do not see potential.
empatheticapathetic 8y ago
Conor's girl was with him when he was a zero. I agree she would leave if he fucked up now because she's been raised to this status and can't drown on a sinking ship if it were to sink, there's no longer a benefit.
Jailhouseredpilled93 8y ago
There is potential in every alpha at least genetically and she knows this instinctually. Her hamster tells her hes gonna be fucking president some day or some shit. Its the brains way of keeping her interested.
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The hierarchy of presentation is the word "reality" blocking out true reality. The biological competitive strain is built off of the malleability of how reality can be presented, not how it is in actuality. Oh, what's that? You have an idea that threatens the hierarchical structure? Have a nice burn at the stake, heathen. How dare you express ideas that threaten the bubble we've worked so hard to create. And so it is with dating.
Sex and entertainment have both been commodified by a hierarchical pyramid that turns us all into consuming, unfulfilled whores. The propaganda we're given is designed to benefit the top. Why do you think mind-expanding drugs are illegal and pharmaceutical zombifying drugs and alcohol are legal? The top benefits.
So what are we supposed to do? Do we just play along with the game, cater ourselves to "win" the game and extract as much as we can? What should we do in a world where anything reeking of deeper truth or profundity gets demonized and anything padding the walls of our biological prison cells gets worshiped and fucked?
This last week I've seen more and more about how underneath all of my existence as a validating tampon is just a pathetic tool being wrung out. And here I was thinking my compassion and listening was actually helping, even though the slightest nudge of someone's egoic weakness justified attacking me or defensiveness. "Be a good beta. That's it. Good boy."
Yea, I don't know what to do. It's hard to realize that anything I create that doesn't massage peoples' egos, whether it be a personality, music, or business, is just going to be boxed into obscurity like my flesh. Part of me wants to get revenge and outplay the competition, but why would I settle for such an empty game of unsatisfying bullshit?
Want to break down the pyramid? Stop playing the game. Stop letting adequacy be defined by slobbering, mindless pussies who demand daddies to provide dicks, funds, or reality masturbation. Men are supposed to lead the way? Then why are we letting the worth of this world be dictated by a petty superficial game of, "Who Can Cum on My Face?"
Fuck all this bullshit.
IwannaFocus 8y ago
"Part of me wants to get revenge and outplay the competition, but why would I settle for such an empty game of unsatisfying bullshit?"
Why not admit defeat and just do suicide while you are at it? You just think you are better than the rules set by the "Real" world (redpill and not beta lie), thus you do not want to follow them. Reality is; you're just scared. You are afraid to to play the game because there's a certain chance that you might lose it - can't lose if you don't try right? Well that is the mindset of a loser. Do not be one.
There's more to life than women and validation - it does not mean however that you should neglect these two. Find something you burn for and just do it. Explore, learn and become best version of yourself FOR YOURSELF - and nobody else; be it your family, friends or strangers.
Why does society bother you so much anyway? It's always been a shithole since at least the prehistoric times. Even if the pieces are swapped, even if the rules are changed - the chessboard remains the same. There are Alphas and there are Betas. I can spend hours writing why it is like that, but it does not matter. What matters is that your time on this little rock is limited - do you want to look back at your life when you're closing in on your end, and regret? Believe me, nobody wants that. Live a life without regrets.
[deleted] 8y ago
I think the real threat is that the game is ultimately unsatisfying to the point where death seems like the only reasonable other option. There's a reason why buddhist monks and nuns renounce the world to understand and end their suffering. I think it's obvious that the rules of society are not the problem - its the ignorance and delusion of humanity that keeps itself imprisoned in an unsatisfactory existence. I don't think I'm better than anyone just because I know the game doesn't bring fulfillment after playing it a little bit. I grow because I allow my heart to lead instead of my dick. I base my beliefs out of direct experience and wisdom, and these experiences and practices have shown me and continue to show me the ultimately unsatisfying nature of an impermanent world. People who live their life in terms of time running out have already lost their life to fear and death - your life was never permanent or your own. Don't look back on life - just look at it now. You'd be amazed what that simple act of surrender can do. Uh oh, did I say surrender? That's not very alpha is it? Gee, maybe there's more to life than a dichotomy between dominance and submission...
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[deleted] 8y ago
... I just think TRP should address the inherent suffering that comes with "spinning plates." Whatever.
BowlOfCandy 8y ago
In the later stages of life, having children or serving as a mentor to a younger generation (coach, boss, etc.) is critical to self-fulfillment. Without engaging in the process of passing knowledge down to the new generation(s) you risk a battle with depression.
White people - have more children.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
them crackers always salty thats why we call ems crackas
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5t3fan0 8y ago
RELEVANT XKCD
leotard-princess 8y ago
But energy beam weapons certainly fucking can.
Pro tip: Judy Wood.
noPTSDformePlease 8y ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA
They become weak when heated, even when still in a solid state.
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mrjoykill157 8y ago
That still doesn't explain why there was molten steel and iron at ground zero
[deleted] 8y ago
Thats bullshit
http://911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html
laere 8y ago
Parroting the narrative. Seen this before.
mrjoykill157 8y ago
But jet fuel and office fires in an oxygen starved environment cannot melt steel beams!
Look at the colour of the smoke, black suggests incomplete combustion due to lack of oxygen. It's impossible for those flames to have reached such a high temperature. What about that are you not getting?
MaleToothFairy 8y ago
And waddabout building 7? Office fires... yea, right!
[deleted] 8y ago
Did you even read what I posted or is this your automatic reply to whoever disagrees with you?
[deleted] 8y ago
I have an essay which is sitting in my drafts for more than 10 months due to my lack of time and poor writing skills. It's about this paper that I've found long ago.
"WHERE HAVE ALL YOUNG WOMEN GONE? Gender-Specific Migration from East to West Germany".
Abstract
With the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, direct migration from East to West Germany became possible. Between 1989 and 2007 more than 1.7 million migrated from East to West – about 10 percent of the East’s population in 1989. There is a surprising and rarely investigated outcome of this migration process: About 55 percent of all (net) East-to-West migrants since 1989 have been female. Since more than half of the migrants were younger than 30 years old, this selective migration led to a tremendous deficit of females in the 18- to-29-year-old age group. Currently, the female-to-male-ratio in that age group is only 89 to 100 in the East German population. In some rural counties the female-to-male ratio is as low as 80 percent. This paper investigates the reasons for the gender-specific migration from East to West Germany. We identify a considerable discrepancy in educational levels between women and men as the main cause for the missing-women phenomenon in East Germany. The female success in education, combined with an inadequate demand for highly skilled female labor in the East and a deficit of adequate local partners in terms of education are the main causes that make young women leave East Germany.
It's 33 pages long and is extremely well written. It would be nice if someone with good writing skills could make a theory post from the red pill perspective on this topic. In short, it's basically about how East German women are abandoning their low-status East German men and are migrating towards West where all high-status West German men are living (hypergamy).
ObjectiveBuffoon 8y ago
Excuse grammar / formatting, I'm on mobile.
SELECTIVE HONESTY aka when to be honest
Everybody here knows those how too often a girl asks "do I look good in this?" or "am I getting fat?" and most people here are of the opinion that you ought to be honest (brutally sometimes) in these situations. However, I think it is a whole lot more nuanced than that.
Every girl has her certain insecurities, the one thing she sees in the mirror and can't help but be sad about. Try to know what those are for two reasons. 1) it is often best to avoid being too honest regarding those big insecurities as she might freak out, better to be honest about things with less downside and 2) if she's ever "acting up" or trying to take power from you, you can subtly pick on her insecurities, and hold frame - an insecure person can't take from a secure one.
Not sure where I'm going with this but I feel like the nuances of honesty / insecurity has more weight in a relationship than we give it.
AwakenedSovereign 8y ago
Essentially dread / negging.
I read in a book (The Rational Male?) about a different kind of Selective Honesty. Basically the assertion is that Lies or Honesty are just two ways of talking. Like GameTalk or StraightTalk, they are languages we use to achieve a certain goal.
Sometimes it is actually better for your goals to be honest than to lie.
Sometimes it is better to lie.
One is not inherently more powerful than the other. Stupid, simple, factless ideas have mobilized armies and toppled nations. Cold hard truths have done the same.
In the end it's about using the right tool at the right time
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There is an idea that I've been mulling over. Venture Capital in the Sexual Marketplace. An asset that while the underlying fundmentals are solid, but due to mismanagement has been put into a bad place. I'm just not sure on how to differentiate that from and prevent it from becoming an excuse for the "save a hoe" mentality.
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THEN1NJA 8y ago
Hmm
I would say they would easily do a comparison of the market and choose up if you aren't already way above them. Hypergamy just delayed at best
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theoracleofbromaha 8y ago
It's kind of like meeting a chubby or big girl with a really nice face and personality. Make the investment get them fit and they worship you when they become fit and hot.
sadomasochrist 8y ago
Does not work that way. Have you ever watched the biggest loser? It's basically "80% of us will leave our current partners, the show."
mental_models 8y ago
Or, at least once they become fit and hot, they will blame you for the slight guilt they feel for quickly leaving you for Chad
theoracleofbromaha 8y ago
Depends how strong your frame is. It's only worked when I've made them feel lucky to even be considered.
usedsparingly 8y ago
I hooked up with a chubby girl when I was wasted. Got the whole "bro wtf are you doing??" Thing from my friends. I said I rationalized it in my drunken stupor that if she lost weight she'd be hot as fuck.
She goes to rehab, comes back 3 months later and lo and behold, every guy is drooling over. Who does she bang first? ;)
empatheticapathetic 8y ago
Doesn't fit in with conventional TRP logic. My explanation is she isn't fully aware of her new value yet and is testing some reliable waters for an assessment.
kempff 8y ago
Human evil is a mystery. I can't wrap my head around why some parents are just evil to their children. They must think they're doing something right; otherwise they wouldn't do it. I just don't understand it. Maybe there's nothing to understand. And then the children grow up thinking the evil is "normal". That's one way to fill the world with women who are utterly unsuitable to be in any romantic relationship with a man.
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First off, when parents commit crimes towards children most of the time they understand their actions are wrong, but it is often them lashing out at the kids based on emotion which i will give examples of. People do not behave rationally, they use their animal instincts. The red pill trys to teach us to do the opposite of this and stay in control of our emotion but most people fail at this.
Here are some reasons why parents are evil towards children:
Out of frustration. Kids are extremely hard to deal with and you get no break. They are unreasonable, selfish and do not care how you feel or if you are struggling. These people are not mature enough to handle the stress.
They may also grow to despise the children for taking away their freedom and ruining their life. Although it was their own choice that put them into that position, they do not take responsibility.
There are people who genuinely just do not care, dark triad, people with psychopathic traits etc. They may harm children or use them for their own selfish gain or even revenge.
Drugs alter peoples morals as well. This is a huge factor in human violence.
Look up Jordan Peterson's talks on evil and the capacity for evil.
kempff 8y ago
There are a lot of them - would you point out the specific Jordan Peterson videos you had in mind?
empatheticapathetic 8y ago
Define evil? It's a matter of agenda and perspective.
kempff 8y ago
Evil is nonbeing, basically.
saint_pill 8y ago
You might enjoy Nietzsche: https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Good-Evil-Philosophy-Editions/dp/048629868X
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CallMeHaseo 8y ago
Is it fair to say rape is a sexual strategy for low status males to gain access to females and reproduce?
[deleted] 8y ago
Here's one very interesting comment from July. It's about how orangutans and gorillas cause paternity confusion among males. There's a lot of rape among these species, but females make sure they've been knocked up by the Alpha ape before Betas manage to rape them. And males won't kill an infant because it might be theirs, nobody can tell for sure as everyone raped everyone.
Potomato 8y ago
A woman i know very well, is raging against the wall, its sad.
26 years old 3 kids, 2 baby daddies. Both are low SMV. She is still cute a solid six, has baby damage.
I don't know if its me, but she is now dating a guy at our work and i think she is trying to get some sort of jealous out of me, the dude is ugly as hell too. she is past the wall and she rejects higher value males, confuses the hell out of me.
my theory is she gets wet for any man that calls her beautiful and smothers her and clings to her. I did try to fuck her but i did not come on to her like that because it feels very beta to me.
her first two baby daddies treated her poorly, she says. But they see eachother everyday and go out every weekend and its been one month and within 3 weeks he was saying he loved her. he seems very clingy and weird to me. I'm waiting for the crazy person to come out since when they dated he once parked outside her house and he caught baby daddy and texted her that he loved her then and wanted to be with her.
is it low self esteem? i think so. I will keep a solid watch on this but how long does everyone give this, they are clinging each other, when does the honeymoon phase wear off, i give it 2 more months?
ShotgunTRP 8y ago
Next it and get abundance mentality.
Potomato 8y ago
not stuck on her lol, just use her to get inside these bitches heads, its educational.
ShotgunTRP 8y ago
It just seems like a retarded mess, somebody who likely is deeply troubled. Way too much baggage for educational purposes.
Imagine using an aids cancer disease infested carcass to study a healthy human body.
empatheticapathetic 8y ago
That's a weak explanation and anecdote.
Once you've studied the normal healthy body then yeah it's time to start looking into the AIDS cancer bodies and finding out how that works differently.
Potomato 8y ago
She does not know who her father is and even her mother does not know his name, being a whore runs in this family.