So my girlfriend and I have been dating for about a full year in a half and I thought everything was going great. This weekend I went on a 5 day vacation (July 1- July 5) with my family and left her in my home state. Day 4 into the trip I get a text from a mutual friend that says "you're girlfriend disappeared for an hour with a guy (we will call him Jim) and Jim came back and said 'they cuddled and held hands'."
Okay, so where to start. She left with some guy for an hour at a group gathering, and he claims they just cuddled and held hands. Just on the chance that it was totally innocent, why the fuck would he say that?
I felt sick to my stomach. Apparently she had a party at her place on July 3rd where this all took place.
So she decides to have a party at her house immediately after her boyfriend leaves?
So a little background into our relationship and Jim. We started our relationship by casual hook-up but it had to be in secret, Jim was a mutual friend of ours and really like my girlfriend in high school. They even dated for like a month more or less. So Jim would've been hurt if he found out that we were hooking up. He found out and got mad and there was some yelling but I thought he got over it. It's been three years since they even romantically did anything. I thought I was good to leave them alone but I was wrong.
So I can't figure out if he was hooking up with this chick when the other dude was still dating, because that would just give the guy an even bigger incentive to bang his girlfriend. So many red flags, I won't even list them.
An aside on my girlfriend, she's super independent and believes that you should always trust your partner not to cheat on you and to let them be with who they want for friends.
Oh, so he's good then.
She's always told me that if your partner cheats on you to break up with them. Now she's broken my trust so do I just end it? Or do I forgive her? Anyway now I don't know what to do. Is this even considered cheating? Did Jim lie and do more that innocent cuddling and hand holding? What do I say to my girlfriend about it? Why didn't she tell me instead of our mutual friend? Just lend me a hand.
This is so fucked up I don't even know where to start. So usually if two people leave in a party, and they want to make it innocent, they would just say they went for a walk. This retard says they cuddled and held hands, so tried to downplay what happened.
TL;DR My girlfriend may or may not have cheated on me and I have no way of knowing how to approach it. Edit: I haven't talked to her about it yet. I'm returning to my home state today in the afternoon and talking to her then. Update: I have just landed back home I will talk to her in about an hour. I've decided to have a slow deliberate conversation and see how it goes. Update #2: I did a lot of investigating before talking to my girlfriend. I called my friend to confirm what had happened. Then I called Jim up and he apologized profusely and reaffirmed the story, that they had cuddled and held hands under the stars. So when I confronted my girlfriend about it she said she didn't know what I was talking about. So I told her everything I've told you guys and she explained to me her side of the story. She told me that it was completely platonic and she has no feelings for him (Which I believe) and he has way overblown the situation. All she wants from Jim is to be his friend and nothing more, but she says that even 3 years later he can't get over it. (which I also believe because Jim is extremely emotional)
So the male gets super apologetic and still sticks with his story. He may as well have sent a video of them fucking. And then the girl denies they even held hands or cuddled? What would make him want to say that?
She broke down crying and it made me feel bad that I didn't go to her first. I got really nervous and made a serious error in judgement. The more I think about it the more ridiculous it seems.
So she starts crying and making him feel guilty and he immediately thinks that he is being crazy. Why the fuck would this guy lie about holding hands and cuddling with his girlfriend, WHILE apologizing? Bringing the waterworks on command.
My girlfriend has been perfect to me and I've never even been slightly nervous about her cheating so for her to cuddle with an "ex" of over three years ago is absurd. She hates cuddling. I think she didn't even realize what she was doing had crossed a line. I think that she thought she was within her bounds to lay down next to Jim and have a conversation, which personally I think it is.
WTF? Where are they laying down? In a bed? This guy is a fucking idiot.
It ended when she deleted and blocked all of Jim contacts because she says that if he can't be her friends without having feelings then they can't be friends at all. I feel shitty for breaking up a good friendship that my girlfriend had but I think it was for the betterment of Jim. I just wish I hadn't assumed so much.
And it ends with the guy thinking that he's a jealous asshole for thinking that his girlfriend would do anything. When I read this I thought this guy is so out of touch it's unbelievable.
But then it got worse. I read the comments, and almost all of them were saying shit like "just talk to her and be direct, don't assume anything, tell her you're concerned" (this was before the updates of course). Some comments even suggested that he was being unreasonable.
There were a few classic TRP comments, but they were downvoted to the very bottom.

juliusstreicher 9y ago
The good thing in the situation is that the BF has a friend who a. told BF what was up and b. that BF had a friend who actually challenged Jim about cucking BF.
DeathToTheZog 9y ago
That relationship sub is a black hole of male despair. I try to subtly lend a hand to some of the serious ones, but you get down voted to hell. Mods will ban you quick too.
If a girl posts then the responses are always hand coddling. A guy posts, he gets cucked. Told hes in the wrong.
TunedtoPerfection 9y ago
Congrats BF you just confirmed in your girls eyes that she can:
Take advantage of any situation Cheat pretty much anytime
Then cry and you'll believe and forgive her.
P.S. I have literally heard the phrase "no I'm not with a guy I would cheat on you I love you." come out of a girls lips who had my dick in her moth 2 second earlier.
AWALT
AllahHatesFags 9y ago
Blue pill beta OP will probably be raising Chad's kid in a few years.
AllahHatesFags 9y ago
I've been banned on there for posting Red Pill truths to these hapless betas. The mods there are blue pill cucks.
Throwawaysteve123456 9y ago
Yeah, the truth hurts some times. It's unfortunate because there were like 2-3 comments at the very bottom that gave pretty solid advice.
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Good god this is like a blue print guide on everything this sub warns against lmao
I lost it at the girls water works and the guy feeling guilty. Common weapon with chicks - cry and make the guy feel bad when he was 100% in the right. Also the fact that she didn't come clean until all cards were laid on the table is pretty damning evidence overall.
What a spineless twat, and she will never respect him again after this
Throwawaysteve123456 9y ago
I've found reading this sub is helpful for a certain perspective, but I get so much utility out of reading about someone seeing through the lens of an extreme BP. Really is a good reality check.
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It really is, as many here were at some point similar to that guy
79rustyk10 9y ago
It was hard for me to even read this.
Redasshole 9y ago
You know what, my approach is :
if she makes my life worse, I don't care what she did, I leave her.
Why does this guy cares about what happened? This girl makes him sick, that's all he needs to know to decide to leave.
SquidwardGhost 9y ago
So fucking beta and cringeworthy I swear and to think this would have been me a couple of years ago. Goddamn thank fuck I'm not a cuck or didn't turn out to be one lol
hyugafan 9y ago
Same. Thank god for the red pill.
DontTreadOnSnek 9y ago
Yup, this would have been me a year ago, ignoring the United Nations of Red Flags just because some woman told me not to worry about anything.
Throwawaysteve123456 9y ago
I don't know if I was ever that bad, but I've been close. It is pretty cringey to see how out of touch this guy is.
OneRedSock 9y ago
He'll wish he hadn't assumed so much every time until the time he wish he had assumed as much.
TonyZ554 9y ago
Just gonna say that cuddling and holding hands is not an innocent activity. It's actually very intimate, or at least it always has been for me.
Redasshole 9y ago
Yes, it shows she is emotionnally invested with that guy.
Sara_Solo 9y ago
It's ok you guys they only cuddled and held hands under the stars.
askmrcia 9y ago
To be honest they probably only did. But I still wouldn't be cool with it regardless.
And I say that because I'm around alot of women that have tons of thirsty dudes following them.
Just recently this girl I know calls this one guy her best guy friend. Yes everyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that this guy likes her despite this girl having a kid with her current boyfriend.
One time at a party, the girl was crying over some drama shit and they cuddled. That's literally all they did. Pathetic and creepy on the guy's part I know. The guy is friendzoned hard. Hell one of my best friends have women come over to his apartment often. Those women friendzoned him, but they gladly eat dinner with him for some reason. Well the reason is because they like the attention.
I honestly don't think the girl cheated, she just walked with him for attention.
Now with all that said, I don't know if I break up with the chick over this. Depends on how hot she is and how much sex she is giving me lol.
Throwawaysteve123456 9y ago
You could be right. She may just be desperate for attention, and likes to string guys along, so she held hands and cuddled, but kept it super light. Either way, it's still break up worthy.
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BluepillProfessor 9y ago
That a boy! COMMUNICATION. Talk. Cry on her shoulder. That will make her moist all over.
Want proof?
Yes of course she does! She hates cuddling...with you.
Cuck!
max_peenor 9y ago
Notice that her version of "communication" is to start crying.
keysomea 9y ago
As I assumed the TRP knowledge was held back by AFCs and white knights on that sub.
Here we see a classic example of a Nice Guy and insecure too. What the hell is going on with intra-gender dynamics? How come this guy is so goddamn blind to not at least breakup with this chick. I mean not to even breakup due to the fact that she must likely cheated on her but as way for him to develop some self-respect.
RPStone 9y ago
Because he risks being labeled "an asshole" (a nice guy's greatest fear) if he breaks up with her without undeniable facts, evidence, and truth from her.
Even still he may not leave her because he fears the memories of being single and being rejected by every girl he tries to win with kindness. To him, she is a special snowflake simply because she puts up with his weak behavior.
However, his snowflake will always naturally seek alpha cock every chance she gets (ie. throwing a party while he's on vacation.) and end up cuddling an orbiter if one is not found.
Too bad one of us wasn't at that party.
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dgillz 9y ago
Average frustrated chump. All acronyms are covered in the sidebar.
boyifyoudontiswear 9y ago
AFC was removed from the sidebar for being too much of an old PUA term, should be reinstated for instances like these
BestSC86 9y ago
Don't know...you seem to be letting your hatred and distrust of women make your hamster run away with you as much as the dude is letting his beta insecurity run away.....honestly
"Why the fuck would this guy lie about holding hands and cuddling with his girlfriend"
You don't know? Really? The damn dude has been orbiting this girl for nearly 3 years, a girl who was dating him when she got with BF and you know that everyone in the group knows that this dude has a severe case of one-itis for this girl. But you can't figure out why this insecure fuck might run around claiming that his one-itis finally came around and held his hand and 'cuddled' with him? Really?
Honestly they all sound immature as hell, but don't think she did much with this orbiter because as TRP will tell you....he isn't a sexual option. She sees him as a GF with a penis not anyone who is going to stick anything in her pussy. And just as likely this thirsty orbiter was head over heels that his one-itis went outside with him and went all "it is happening, my beloved is starting to like me" bragging to his friends.
If the girl wanted to cheat with the orbiter, she not have disappeared for less than an hour at some pitiful get together with friends, it would have been she disappeared for the entire weekend and rode his dick for three days.
yomo86 9y ago
Usually I would join someone like you against the anger phasers but holding hands, going for long walks and cuddeling is a far too long time frame for letting orbiters orbit. She was waiting on him making his move. Simple as that. I had women cancel dates earlier than the time this shit show took.
KarmaEnthusiast 9y ago
Yeah the story really didn't sound like she actually cheated to me. Sounds like the Jim guy wanted something to brag about and was extra apologetic since it didn't happen. Both are betas, the girl is probably a 6/10 and I'd be more pissed she didn't tell me she was having a party while I was away.
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MarangoniConv 9y ago
This sounds more reasonable. Jim doesn't have better SMV than OP, otherwise she'd have been with Jim, right? In other words, Jim is beta in her eyes--a gf with penis--like you said. But we have to be careful here, beta guys do have sex, just like how a beta elephant seal surreptitiously engage in coitus with a female under an alpha. It is a way for females to secure their backups. So sex with Jim was not really off the tables.
But I am inclined towards agreeing with you that she wouldn't take risk of getting caught over Jim; he wouldn't incite emotions in her enough to bypass her fear, unless Jim changed--became bulkier or something. Who knows? All I can say is you should set boundary with your girls, private time with any man should be a deal-breaker, no matter how platonic their relationship is.
Throwawaysteve123456 9y ago
I thought about that, since Jim sounds pretty damn beta according to OP, but I also wondered how accurate his impressions are. Everything else this guy says show he has absolutely no social awareness, so I wonder if he just misunderstood the situation. And even if it was just some orbitor making up a desperate lie, it's still a fucked up thing to hold a party when bf leaves and invites men over she knows are infactuated with her, and then goes on a private excursion with them. Not acceptable either way.
Throwawaysteve123456 9y ago
There's a total possibility you are correct, but ask yourself this. Why the fuck would a male orbitor LIE about HOLDING HANDS?! Unless the dude just wanted to get into a fight with OP, it wouldn't make any sense. It wouldn't improve his status, it would only hurt his prospects with the girl, and it could actually be a massive reptuation ruiner. Do you think girls want to hook up with a guy who lies about holding hands with girls? Who knows what else he will say?
I personally don't see any incentive for the guy to make this lie, while also being apologetic about it, unless something else happened. For him to go for a walk and claim they were SOMEWHAT intimate, seems absolutely insane.
You think it's my hamstering in this case? This is a girl who without any notification to her boyfriend, throws a fucking party at her house right after he leaves, inviting men over, including men that she knows have a thing for her. Then she completely denies anything happened, when the guy presents his own fucked up story.
BestSC86 9y ago
Young dudes do that level of shit all the time.....he told his friend who then told the BF.
I get you are bitter toward women and want this girl to have fucked this dude but it is simply unlikely. If she wanted to fuck the dude, she would have just invited him ALONE over to her house and fucked his brains out for 3 days without you ever knowing it happened it, not invite you load of cucks over then go outside for 45 mins with him in front of all the noisy nellys around to go running to her BF. She threw a party with their friends as evidenced by all the other of their mutual friends around for the BF to ask about what happened.
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I think you are completely right. The situation sounds immature. If I had to guess these people have to be 18-20. The main issue in this entire story is naïveté. There sounds like a complete lack of understanding of how relationships work which will only develop thru time and experience for everyone (not necessarily with each other). I see a lot of issues here but none that are sad.
Throwawaysteve123456 9y ago
I think the title said he was 21 and she was 20.
Willkuer_ 9y ago
Jim is her orbiter and she gave him a bit of carrot to keep him around.
I don't think she fucked Jim but the way she plays with men indicates she slept with some other men (probably some more alpha-type than her BB and Jim). She now has the confirmation that nothing bad happens if she sleeps around. She just needs to cry and everything will dissolve.
Btw. I think I read somewhere that crying women will change your hormonal system so that it is easier for you to start your own hamster. He is not aware, he is manipulated by her, and he can not trust his own body. How is he supposed to solve this issues?
Throwawaysteve123456 9y ago
That's actually a really interesting theory.
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 9y ago
Being around crying women lowers your testosterone. In essence making you more female and awakening the hamster.
Gawernator 9y ago
Do you have a source for this
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 9y ago
Dr. Bing has the answer. Don't ask Dr. Goo-Gal, he'll sell your info.
Gawernator 9y ago
http://healthland.time.com/2011/01/06/the-crying-game-womens-tears-dial-down-testosterone/> Being around crying women lowers your testosterone
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I don't think she cheated but if somebody has to text me on my vacation that they suspect she is, for me that would be enough for a soft next.
Trickle truth.
Fuck that.
reddttt 9y ago
More like a cuck 101: how to let your girlfriend friendly cuddle with her ex and accept it because she's independent and it's totally literally ooh emm gee not cheating
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Am I the only one laughing at """"cuddle"""" it seems pretty obvious to me that they had sex...
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Throwawaysteve123456 9y ago
Well based on the info, I would see it like this. Chance of something sexual: probably 90%. Chance of his story being correct: 10%. If they did actually hold hands, then that's pretty fucking intimate, and it's still a breakup.
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Its breakup zone no matter what for sure. Lied about a party and not coming clean? Break up
Throwawaysteve123456 9y ago
Exactly, it honestly doesn't even matter really.
exit_sandman 9y ago
It's not as if it's inconceivable that women cuddle platonically, even with exes - it also works fine as bait to keep orbiters around.
But the overall frame here (her trickle-truthing and her insistence on him not keeping tabs on her whereabouts) is more than a bit fishy.
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I can honestly see her and her ex not having sex here (though likely isn't the case)
But her throwing a party and not telling the boyfriend along with her not admiting to it until after he said he knew shows that the relationship needs to be killed
JoJoXPilled 9y ago
OP lost his frame when he saw his girlfriend crying!
exit_sandman 9y ago
I am talking about the frame of the situation, not his frame.
reddttt 9y ago
I know, awalt is tattooed in my brain. But even so, her actions were a consequence about being in a "relationship" with a weak male devoid of testosterone
RPStone 9y ago
No healthy man with an ounce of testosterone would have anymore than fuck benefits from this slut.
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reddttt 9y ago
Yeah, ltr is trp on hardmode and a ltr with this hoe which has more red flags than a missile parade in north korea is almost like voluntarily cutting your own balls with a plastic dull knife
But even then, that guy has his share of blame because he acts like a fucking insect
Throwawaysteve123456 9y ago
Exactly. Seeing examples like this opens my eyes up more.
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victordmor 9y ago
I feel for this guy. Doesn't have been enlightened yet. Someone bring him to TRP asap.
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Throwawaysteve123456 9y ago
No idea, I am going to send the guy a PM to this thread.
Redasshole 9y ago
They wonder that about us as well.
powerbaseballfan 9y ago
Whatever happened to your dad red asshole
Redasshole 9y ago
i don't understand the questin sorry
powerbaseballfan 9y ago
You had a story about your dad freaking or on here like a year ago I stumbled upon it
Redasshole 9y ago
Yeah. Well, my mum blamed her bad behavior onto her problems. So my dad was like "she's behaving badly because of her problems...let's be supportive, it's not her fault if she is acting like a cunt, it's because her problems are so huge she can't help but act like that".
After 10 years she finally solved those problems. My dad's first reaction was saying with a big smile on his face "now at last things are going to be a little better in the house".
Of course, nothing changed, because it wasn't my mum's problems that caused her to act like a cunt. It's because she was a cunt AND because she despised my father for being a beta that she acted that way.
So after a few days my dad broke down crying, reminded my mum everything he had done for her, and told her it's not fair. He went in his bedroom and yelled "I'm dead! dead! I'm dead!". Tbh my father is very BP but he endured a lot from my mother for a decade. He finally collapsed and fell on the floor, hit his head and cracked it open while puking. We found him laying on the floor in his blood and puke one hour later. He went to the hospital and even when he was taken away by the hospital crew my mum couldn't resist insulting him.
Since then my mum hasn't changed her behavior. My dad comes home from work as late as possible. He cooks, do the dishes, and basically everything in the house while my mum insults him and criticizes his every move (not an exaggeration, litterally every thing he does she criticizes it).
To deal with it, he drinks alcoohol. Whenever he has time (on the week-end for instance), he drinks himself to sleep. He wakes up at 8 am, do the chores, eat lunch, and drinks while doing all that. Then after lunch he goes sleeping until dinner. He eats and stays up all night because my mum sleeps at night so he is at peace. And he drinks all night of course.
He is miserable and she is litterally killing him by abusing him mentally. He is mentally broken. And he drinks far too much to escape his shitty reality.
Anyways, I tried to help. I gave him NMMNG and he gave it right back at me after reading the first chapter, saying it's BS and I shouldn't waste my time reading that. I tried talking to him and tried giving him advices but he just tells me to fuck off.
He is developing lots of health issues right now. And he is now obese. I don't think he has much time left to live. It's a shame. All his friends died during the past year (all but one) and my mum uses that against him, to hurt him emotionally. He used to go out a little, now he doesn't anymore. He is just a human slob who does nothing but enduring life with my mum and escaping it with alcoohol and sleep whenever he can.
TL;DR : better grow old alone than with a woman
ozaku7 9y ago
Worse is that he left just for 5 days and GF decides to throw a party without telling him. This stinks like an excuse to invite Jim over to her place and get laid in her own bed. "I didn't invite only Jim, but lots of others too!".
Classic hamster.
Also.
Denial
Trickling the truth and playing it down.
Male confirm what really happened.
Cries because she was caught.
First she seeks it out, then she denies, and only started to feel guilty when she was caught. Women will only feel guilty when they are caught... Or rather, they cry because they got caught and have to deal with the consequences.
xeneize93 9y ago
Fucking detective over here!
Throwawaysteve123456 9y ago
Good emphasis on the trickle, I didn't highlight it well. You see her slowly reveal more info to explain the situation, once she realizes he has more info.
ozaku7 9y ago
Women will always omit information from you to keep the relationship intact. She will always downplay anything AFTER it happened, not during or before it. Just look at research and statistics how many men got cucked. Real, hard, statistics from scientific research. A woman that was supposed to have a lifechanging event with you, having a baby together, and she decides that there is nothing better than to fuck you over so astronomically by having a child from someone else and let you pay for it with your money, energy and time. It's easy for women to cheat, they will hamster is away, and there is no reason for a man to not cheat on their girlfriend or wives. In their world, you are faithful, and that's what matters.
The odds of women cheating is atleast double of that. If they have the guts to get pregnant with another man and pretend its yours, just imagine how much easier it is to just casually hookup with another guy without the intent to get fucking pregnant. The emotional state of the women, the desire to have a baby, completely overrides anything. The only thing she cares about getting as much sperm as possible in her babychamber and getting pregnant.
So the only right choice for a man that wants to get children with his woman, is to dick her any opportunity he has, and demand a DNA test after birth. Do not sign the birth certificate unless you get positive DNA results that the kid is yours, regardless how much you trust her or what background she has. This little test will determine whether you will waste your life on a cunt and son of a bitch.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 9y ago
Here's what really happened, in one sentence:
"While away from her boyfriend, this girl set out to spend some alone time with an ex to see if he was better than her current boyfriend."'
It doesn't really matter who held whose hand, who cuddled who, or whether they fucked or not. This woman set out with the deliberate goal of cheating or leaving if the opportunity was a good one.
Maybe the opportunity wasn't. Maybe "Jim" sucked at life and she didn't do anything. Maybe the opportunity was just an opportunity for fun. Maybe she fucked Jim but he wasn't a good relationship prospect so she hid it and decided to keep dating her boyfriend.
Whatever did or didn't happen, Jim wasn't available or wasn't worthwhile as a new boyfriend, so she stayed with her current boyfriend after illicitly exploring the possibility with Jim while her boyfriend was away.
This is just how the game is played. Every time a girl interacts with a guy, there are subtle, innocent probes for sexual and romantic availability being fired from both sides. 99 percent of the time, these don't go anywhere. One side isn't attracted, or one side is attached and more attracted to his or her current partner, and those little probes don't even look like probes, more like slightly awkward conversation. Sometimes, the probes look exactly like probes, complete with cuddles and sharing your feelings since the boyfriend isn't around to stop it.
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