TL;DR- Fresh Redpiller makes eye contact with two hot girls on separate occasions and confirms how powerful it truly is when you apparently have SMV you never thought you did.
Before I begin, no I didn't talk to either of the women described in this post. Part of me is slapping myself for not doing so, but I am honestly in the early portions of Monk Mode right now, and need to get my own shit together first so I'm in that right mindset to be able to cold approach.
That said, in further reading the sidebars hear and the main sub I've been reading about how important eye contact is. I've always been bad at. Really bad. Couldn't even look guys in the eye while talking, let alone a girl I classify as attractive.
I forgot where I read this specifically, but it was advice to train yourself to do it more often, to basically stare down other people until they break their gaze from you. I've been doing it here and there subtly, but aware of the fact that I'm intentionally training myself to keep good eye contact...mostly just walking down the street people watching, but today I upped the ante by targeting attractive girls.
Example #1 was transferring from the #4 train to the #5 here in The Bronx. In front of me is this slim beauty in a slinky black dress. White girl, Long brown hair with gorgeous legs that indicate she works out, in nude colored heels I believed to be at least 4 inches high. I'd say she's an HB8 to 8 1/2 She gracefully traverses two sets of stairs in these things like a pro (which could have EASILY been my opener to talk to her, praising her performance...predicating the slapping of my head as I type this, you fucking noob), and I eventually get ahead of her as she's graceful but not fast. I didn't get to see her face though as I didn't want to stare, so I kind of eased up on my throttle a bit. Very pretty girl, and from the looks of it she was obviously on her way to some kind of event or what have you (how is she going there alone...on the subway...looking like a prom queen? Ugh...should have talked.)
Anyway, she's going downtown and I'm going uptown so we're on opposite tracks. I'm guessing she had a good look at me while I was going down the stairs. As I eluded in a previous post on the "ask" sub, I'm a "bear" type of body...I have muscle, but I've got pudge with it that needs to be rectified (though I'm aware some girls like that kind of body). I didn't mention however than I'm also a Black guy who looks really young for my age, and well dressed, so I'm probably pretty exotic to her (hooray for not being a stereotype!). So I catch her looking at me the first time, and she quickly breaks her gaze. I follow up by looking intently at her, and I could tell from her body language that she was into it. She looks back, and after a good 10 seconds (which is probably the longest I've ever looked at a complete stranger) she breaks gaze again. In my mind I'm thinking "holy shit, it's true!" She was clearly into the attention I was giving her, even if it was so little time as I think of it now. Downtown train comes, she gets on and that's that.
Second example is on my bus heading home. Black girl, short but thick in the right places, jeans straining from "dat ass". Mahogany colored hair, pretty face, she's an HB8 as well. We're both standing close to the exit door and she's applying lip gloss. We're really close to each other, but she's not objecting to my presence in her space. Could even look down for clear glimpses of "dat ass". Far, far close proximity than the other girl, but I do the same thing. No words, just looking. She looks back a few times and isn't uncomfortable. Again, probably could have (and SHOULD have) said something, but baby steps here. I'm only recently growing into a more social animal after 35 years of being plugged in. She gets off at her stop, I get one more look at "dat ass", and that's that.
So, I take two things away from my experiment today. First, strong eye contact is as important as they all say it is, and shouldn't be taken for granted. If you're like me and were never good with it, get out of your comfort zone and take a look around. You might see a lot to like. Second, and probably the most important thing I take out of this is that I REALLY need to get my head right, because I apparently have more SMV than I ever though I did.
That's why I'm here, right? Baby steps. I think I'm going in the right direction though.
EDIT: Thanks to everyone for the encouragement, and that includes the troll responses that made me have to take a firm look at holding frame and understanding that women aren't the only ones who shit test. I'll be sure my next contribution will be more high level than this. In the meantime I'm going to talk less and read more. I've got a lot of work to do it seems.

InfidelSavant 8y ago
Holy shit you're a creepy creeperson.
ag_blank 8y ago
ITT: beta starting his RP journey gets oneitis on public commute
you are so overthinking this and giving yourself mental handjobs
Peter_B_Long 8y ago
Before TRP, the trick i used to enhance my eye contact was that I stopped PMO (porn, masturbation, orgasm). Scientifically, stopping porn can improve eye contact with people. You don't feel the shame and disgust anymore. That was over a year ago, and now I hold strong eye contact and I'm never the last to look away. Only times is when I make eye contact with a girl I don't find attractive I'll look away. A few times with a really attractive girl I'll break eye contact and then regret it right after, but that's only been like 3 times in the past year.
TheRealYekke 8y ago
I made a point never to smile on public transportation- it's just a bigger elevator and you never know if the person in front of you just cut off the head of their loved ones and is hearing voices to do the same to you.. I prefer to keep one hand on my laptop bag, and one hand on my keys while traveling in confined spaces called buses trains planes elevators etc
Thotwrecker 8y ago
For newcomers to actually flirting and attracting random women, being comfortable enough to look at them and hold eye contact is a huge step. Shouldn't minimalize that; it's a big deal.
It won't get you laid, but it will remove a huge beta 'tell' that stops many guys from getting laid. If you do not feel entitled enough to her time and her body to say "I am going to visually take in the sight in front of me", there's no possible confidence there, there's no leadership. Entitlement is super important; believing you're attractive enough for her to be interested and you deserve to intrude a little on her personal space is key.
You have to be feel entitled to just taking it. I met a plate by straight up taking her headphones out of her ears and talking to her on the bart, and if you know the bart, you know there's this kind of "everyone keep to yourself we're in such a gross shithole train and we're faggot SF feminine hipsters" attitude in the air. But women love it (or hate it, sure, if you do it at the wrong time or with insufficient SMV) when you are carefree enough to just take command her attention.
That's the next step. You only grow if you keep out of your comfort zone - after you make eye contact, say something and start a conversation. If she's sitting alone, sit close to her or fuck it, even sit next to her, even if there's open seats nearby. Who gives a shit, you won't fuck her (although you might) but you'll get more comfortable. That is the key - you can make eye contact now but you're not quite comfortable enough with it to just naturally stroll into their subway ride and impact their morning / night.
Forget the rules. Most of the times I've gotten my dick wet I got caught staring and I owned it, in fact, nearly every time people get laid, it's because they let themselves get caught staring and they held the eye contact and went with it.
kaane 8y ago
I jusy stopped reading when you said you didnt talk to either of the girls.
Grow some balls and come back later
sniffdat 8y ago
i was riding in a bus yesterday and it was a weird situation. A kinda hot girl stood like 3 feet away from me and I gave her eye contact. She returned it aggressively and didn't stop for like 30 seconds lol. It was getting uncomfortable and her stare became a bit creepy as her eyes widened up and she didnt smile or showed any emotion.
how can i interprete this?
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MrAnderzon 8y ago
What would you have done in that situation
BadMoles 8y ago
Crossed my eyes and stuck my tongue out at her, grinned and looked away as if she had lost my interest.
MisterOrigon 8y ago
Slowly crack a charming smile, then say, "Are we having a staring contest right now? Because if we are, I hope you know you're gonna lose."
sniffdat 8y ago
what would be the best reaction in this?
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sniffdat 8y ago
its clear thanks.
What is the purpose of that staring contest though? One would think if she sees someone as beta/invisible, she wouldn't give this kind of attention to him and just ignore?
SplitFigure 8y ago
Maybe she is a recent alpha-widow and is in the anger phase towards all men.
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lmao this is probably it. Best way to react? People do this to me all the time, I just raise my eyebrows and smirk as if to say "what are you looking at?" It usually gets a laugh from guys/girls that stare
Andgelyo 8y ago
Eye contact is the king of attraction. I remember girls in graduate school with dilated pupils giving me the star struck stare. If you are popular, charismatic, and friendly, look at both men and women every day, smile, and greet them. Makes a world of difference.
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SilverGryphon 8y ago
I have to try this one myself. I have a habit of being first to break eye contact, because I was afraid of being a creep. But looking back I realize that if the girl decides to get into a staring contest with me she must have at least a mild interest. Maybe I'll finally be able to provide a field report myself.
Acropoe 8y ago
You're correct about baby steps.. just take that word out of your vocab when describing yourself.
drnemola 8y ago
Great post! I also need to get a bit better at it. Regarding the talking to girls, I've just started saying a enthusiastic "hi/Hello" with a confident, polite smile to pretty girls I pass on the street. It might help with that initial nudge for daygame.
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Want to congratulate you on the baby steps while at the same time calling you out that the entire second paragraph is a gigantic limiting belief.
ru_ghey 8y ago
this is a story of u not talking to girls. cool story bro
ru ghey
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I am genuinely trying to be constructive when I tell you this, but this is exactly how a docile beta talks.^
Sometimes people are going to throw shade, and the best thing you can do is "agree and amplify", as u/TheStumblingWold has already suggested.
Responding to shade with shade only proves that you're on the defensive. How can you be cool and calm and under control if you're on the defensive?
Final nail in your own coffin. Blocking another user is tantamount to hiding behind your mom's apron. Its conflict avoidance, and conflict avoidance is the hallmark of beta behavior.
Good luck on the path.
M1ster_X 8y ago
Live and learn. Someone's already stated something similar in the thread. But as I stated, I'm still new to this. VERY new to this...if you've read the TL;DR. Like I said, I've got a long way to go, and I own up to that fact.
That said, I'd send him a note apologizing for being a beta bitch, but I don't know how to unblock people. So...yeah. Live and learn.
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No worries man. Again, I only shared my thoughts because I thought I had something constructive to offer. We're all (ideally) here to help each other live (better) and learn (more quickly!)
cheers.
1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 8y ago
Baby steps...np, just keep going. Working on the eye contact is going to make more of a difference then you believe, until you see it in action...
For next time....
"hey...I just saw you standing here, and I wanted to come over here and say hi...what is your name...?"
Gallobrax 8y ago
I like being skeptical, and I'd like to point out that that line probably would not work. IMHO. Just doesn't seem natural.
Mouthpiece 8y ago
Have you ever tried it or are you just shitting your fears onto everyone else here?
1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 8y ago
That line has been my salvation and my saving grace, ever since I came out of my shell (crashed out of it and broke it into a million little pieces actually).
I have used that line more times then I can count anymore, and have never been denied the name.
I am a direct, no BS, give no fucks kinda guy...so for me its quite genuine...
allblackerrrythang 8y ago
you got a name but what else? Cuz we may feel obligated to give our name (or fake name if we feel creepy vibes) to be polite
1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 8y ago
At that point, if I am lucky, I get an opportunity....that's all.
You are correct, not every girl wants to talk to me at that moment.
I will observe her body language, her eye gaze, her demeanor. I am not going to force the conversation. If she is closed off, not facing me, or not looking at me, I'll (also be polite) and move on. But sometimes, they are willing to chat. And that's how it begins.
When I was just getting started, my cold approach rejection rate was high, probably 9 out of 10. Today its a lot less, as I learned to also rely on IOIs now before I approach.
Gallobrax 8y ago
Makes a bit more sense with context. Personally I've never done a cold approach and it looks like with where I live that's gonna need to happen as I don't really know to many people here now since being away for a decade.
LethalShade 8y ago
Yeah, this is definitely a legit opener.. I've used something similar myself countless times and it's gold because it implies a reason for your approach and it's no pressure. I see a lot of guys straight up using "Hi, I'm X, what's your name?" as an opener and that results in mostly wtf do you want stares unless your SMV is through the roof.
One of those cases where you shouldn't give input unless you have the experience, what seems natural in your head and in person when you actually do it are two very different things.
styper12 8y ago
Probably works if you're attractive, talk, dark and or handsome. Try being a pale, petite guy if 5'6.
1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 8y ago
You do not need to be attractive, dark, or handsome. You only need to be able to approach girls with some confidence and style.
I don't care if you are Asian, Black, Indian, don't care how tall you are. None of that matters in the first 30 seconds.
You do need to talk though... :)
MisterOrigon 8y ago
Get yolked and get some sun. Then wear a pair of boots. Now you're a buff, dark 5'7 guy.
styper12 8y ago
As for working out, I've had a personal trainer before and work out 3 days a week with my brother, who's jacked as hell. I don't build that much muscle. It's my physique. Even the personal trainer said well.....after all this work you've done, looks like this is as big as you're going to get.
MisterOrigon 8y ago
How much do you weigh? Also, fire your personal trainer.
styper12 8y ago
I've spent my whole life spending tons of time outside. This past summer I had 4 moles removed that were cancerous, and my skin doctor said to limit sun exposure, even if I wear sunscreen. My skin doesn't tan. It burns, with or without sunscreen, and then cancer shows up.
MisterOrigon 8y ago
Tan isn't a prerequisite to being attractive. The point I'm trying to make is that there's always SOMETHING you can do to better yourself.
unspecifiedthreat 8y ago
Thanks for sharing. Now challenge yourself to keep it up until it becomes natural! Once you become more comfortable you will be blown away at how many women in NYC you'll share eye contact with.
Plenty of opportunity! Up to you to take advantage of them, though.
Good luck.
BargainBinBoyfriend 8y ago
I get pleasant facial expressions in return often from my eye contact, but for the life of me I don't know the difference between a friendly smile simply being contagious (and so making the woman feel a little better), and a "what a handsome and intriguing man" smile.
serio1337 8y ago
You really don't know unless you act on it tbh, or if she acts on it. Otherwise it's just a missed opportunity
THE_StrongBoy 8y ago
eye contact is strong because it is a conduit for power and sexuality. The more you do it the more natural it becomes until you don't do it any other way.
My advice to you is to read and reread the sidebar, and read and reread rollo tomassis website until you have a solid grasp of what its all about. And the top posts
If you do that, and start getting lean, building your mind, and take action based on what you learn you'll fuck like a pornstar.
one of the most important things to do is build a cool hobby that you can use to generate attraction. Girls like cool guys who do cool stuff and have cool skills. it takes a while to do that so you have to start early
abundance mentality is the strongest thing you can have, and its precluded by outcome independence
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Spot on.
Added benefit of cool hobbies is it helps you fill time that women love monopolizing.
LOST_TALE 8y ago
In countries of higher criminality and ruthlessness, eye contact is considered a threat. In countries of lower criminality and more empathy, eye contact is a sign of caring. Eye contat = attention, if you live in the former, attention is a potential threat, etc. I think you get it.
This is why people in arabic countries look down as a sign of respect and it is considered disrespect in, say, canada.
Phoenixtorment 8y ago
Nice going, also remember this:
When you look someone in the eyes as you make a statement, what you say is 80% more believable.
Skayruss 8y ago
No wonder people buy whatever I tell them despite knowing jack shit about some of the products.
wanderer779 8y ago
However when you look straight into the camera it's the exact opposite.
BigBrotherZiggy 8y ago
I've noticed that, I wonder why.
mwobuddy 8y ago
Looking straight at camera looks like selling, probably because its holding over the '5 second rule'.
Looking away looks like 'thinking' ergo, honestry.
BigBrotherZiggy 8y ago
What I wonder is why it's like that on camera. It obviously isn't like that in person. It's not the stare that confuses, it's why the camera makes it weird. Even if you're talking with a salesman you'd want him to look you in the eye, otherwise he would look like a wimp.
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M1ster_X 8y ago
There was one on the train today who seemed like he was interested. Maybe I'll slip him your digits?
max_peenor 8y ago
Great. Now the homeless guy on BART is wondering why I'm laughing.
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Kommanderdude 8y ago
So op just went creeper mode in the subway and awkwardly starred at women. Got it.
mwobuddy 8y ago
I don't know, I think you're converting the event into a desirable narrative in your head.
If I look back at someone who looked at me for a long time before I broke eye contact, I'd be looking back to see if they're still staring, then wondering wtf is wrong with them in a combative sense.
max_peenor 8y ago
I'll toss in my two knuckles here. A couple years I was on a very crowed train and there was this approaching-the-wall with spectacular tits standing next to me. She had an ill fitting blouse for her needs, because the way she was holding her bag caused a huge gap up front. If (haha if) I looked down, I got a spectacular look at her superfluous udders, full nipple and the hanging parts and all. Now, I notice the guy next to me trying to crane his neck and steal looks. Creepy! So I look her in her eyes, slowly look down and behold the booming bosom then do the double eye dart in the direction of the creep. She stiffens up, Looks at him and down and then moves to make me more of a shield since I'm quite a bit taller than her, but leaves her features on full display to me for the rest of the trip. She was even grinning. Yes, I looked some more. Ok, they weren't THAT big, but nice. Very nice.
Look. Don't steal glances. If you get caught, give a boyish shrug and a wry grin. I like tits? Of course I do. I'm a MAN.
MrAnderzon 8y ago
Don't be afraid to admit that you were looking. She wants the attention. And she wouldn't get it dressing differently.
Despite all the lies where they say "I just like to dress this way"
AiAmDreamer 8y ago
Confidence like that takes your SMV miles. As embarrassed as a girl might get, they love the validation they get when stared down as sexual creatures.
eagle_267 8y ago
So True that why the poster was amazed at his SMV. For men confidence i so much more important than anything else. You don't have have a body of a greek god but if you are working on you everyday you feel amazing. That feeling is contagious and draws people toward you.
purplecabbage 8y ago
With the first one, a 10 second stare? Or did it just seem that long? That's a long time, dude.
CQC3 8y ago
If that's true this bitch stared at OP for ten seconds and he didn't do anything. You'll rarely ever get such a come and talk to me signal.
Girls don't stare at guys they think are creeps, women who don't like you will intentionally avoid your gaze. Ever had a girl you thought was repulsive crush on you and stares at you all the time? You know she's doing it, and you make every effort to not look at her, which ironically makes the situation worse.
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Homie, they were on different trains
CQC3 8y ago
Oh whoops, that's my bad. Should've read that more closely.
Still, OP should've sprouted wings and flew over there. The bitch.
Five_Decades 8y ago
What's your method of telling If they are into it or not when you maintain eye contact?
Also, do you always wait for them to break contact first? That's important. Has anyone just ended up in a staring contest?
Sir_Distic 8y ago
You did well. Keep it up. As soon as they make eye contact, smile. But hold they contact until they break it off.
Also STOP beating yourself up about not talking to them. You don't have to approach women. Maybe you weren't ready. You might have messed it up. Now if you see them again you can. Just have outcome Independence. No real goal. Just talk.
Eclectiqque 8y ago
hey man, great to see you progressing. i've been through that or still am. just my two cents, the only reason i've started this comment: don't go so hard on yourself! don't slap yourself! you have to go through some missed chances like these in order to build up
to become THAT version of yourself that will look at a girl in a train, get her IOI and start talking to her like you've already fucked the brains out of her yesterday. we can do it!
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redaftrp 8y ago
So many gay dudes wanting the D huh?
M1ster_X 8y ago
Not sure I get your joke here if I'm being honest.
Buchloe 8y ago
He's saying you were probably making eye contact with dudes. Seems to be insinuating that your post is "gay"
M1ster_X 8y ago
I see. Just trying to start some shit. Sad. We're all on different legs of our journeys here, and as I eluded to in my TL;DR I'm really early in mine. Lots of mental baggage I need to deal with first before I'm ready to take that next step, and I'm not afraid to admit it.
I can't even properly detect trolling it would seem. Or, it could be he's just a terrible troll. lol
Buchloe 8y ago
Yeah until you have adequately absorbed the sidebar and have somewhat of an innate understanding, any posts that aren't sent to asktrp or thanksTRP or whatever are likely to be scoffed at. People prefer top-level insights around here, not to dog on you or anything. Good job taking steps and making observations. Before long this type of thing will be ingrained and you won't even think about it
TheStumblingWolf 8y ago
Since you're admittedly new here I'll tell you this. You'd have come off a lot less fragile if you'd have gone along with the joke and exaggerated in your reply. This is known as agree and amplify.
AnonymousAndLovinIt 8y ago
Just curious, but how would completely ignoring such statements go? It's something I prefer, but I don't know what vibe it gives off.
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Waboombo 8y ago
You still responding to something like this is a good way to examine your frame or lack thereof.