Cutting and bulking
Before I start talking about weight loss I want to warn people about the cut/bulk cycle. You're body is programmed to fight weight loss, but it will happily take in fat. Hence why most people get stuck bulking and become fat. Even if they manage to cut, it is often temporary and they regain the fat. If you are going to bulk, make sure you understand what you're doing first.
Weight loss (Cutting)
Most people go through a breakup or whatever, they enter the anger phase, and they decide to become superman. Start an extreme diet and an extreme lifting routine for a few months, then it all fades off and they regain their fat and get tired of the gym. Most effective diets are slow (losing 0.25 to 0.5kg a week) accompanied with exercise and some cheat days where you don't exceed your calorie requirements. The reason why slowly losing weight is more effective is because you are able to slowly reset your bodies set point. If you're body detects a sudden extreme change in weight loss, it will dispatch it's entire military to stop it.
Keep your satiety level (fullness) as high as possible
Satiety is determined by the state of your food (liquid, semi-liquid, solid), and it's fibre, protein, fat content, and carbohydrate type.Resistant starch (RS) has been talked about, but it's difficult to properly implement it's mostly hyped by companies wanting to sell supplements for it that probably don't work. This is a good website that quantifies satiety. Just search the food and it shows you all kind of information on it. The equation used has some limitations to it, but overall it is good.
Hyper-palatable food
Also known as junk food, it combines three factors, salt, sugar, and fat to make a calorie dense, delicious, addictive, heart disease causing food. Avoid them as much as you can.
Calorie dense foods
Sometimes you don't even notice what you're taking in, extra virgin olive oil can be "healthy" according to so many articles, magazines, or whatever you read. But one table spoon is 120kcals. Get a good non stick pan or find alternatives to frying your food.
Keep your protein intake high
Different values are thrown around. But if you are getting 0.6g of protein per pound of body weight a day then you are doing fine. You need this not only for satiety but also to maintain, or build muscle.
Drink enough water and get enough potassium
Mushrooms, leafy greens, bananas, all high in potassium. You will probably be getting enough sodium so don't worry about that.
Intermittent Fasting
Can prevent your Resting metabolic rate (RMR) from going down, and help your body access fat supplies for energy.
Multivitamins
Only if you think you're not getting enough nutrient, but unless you are on an extreme diet, you should be getting enough vitamins.
Other nutrition related things
Whenever you can, choose low glycaemic index food, and avoid fructose. For vitamins and other micro nutrient always go for leafy greens and veg before fruits.
Diets
If you think you can maintain a diet that provides all the macros and micros your body needs, at a caloric deficit then go for it. If the diet is too extreme and you're probably going to drop it. Then it's a terrible idea.
Maintenance
You feel depressed, tired, the weight loss lifestyle you've chose is getting too difficult. Give yourself a break, increase your calories to a maintenance level and stay there for a week or two. (Don't increase it too much by lying to yourself. The results will disappoint you). You don't have to feel bad to do this either. You can go on a maintenance routine every time you hit a milestone decrease your chances of giving up at one point
Other things to keep in mind
Keep track of everything
- Count your calories. Buy a kitchen scale and take into account everything you eat. Don't account for things like a squeeze of lemon. Remember anything you take to an extreme and can't maintain results in failure. Preferably using an app like myfitnesspal (highly recommended, tracks your progress with graphs, calculates things automatically for you, you can scan bar codes on food)
- How much you were able to lift, run, swim, etc... And the progress you've made
- You're weight at the end of every week. If you see no weight change for a while, you're not counting everything you eat/you're eating at maintenance rate/you're doing something wrong. You lost 5kg in a week, don't tell everyone and start eating pancakes the scale is inaccurate, you were wearing a heavy jacket the last time, etc... You gained too much weight, then the opposite is probably true. If you slowly gain weight every week then you are overeating. Basic logic. You're weight loss should fluctuate between weeks but show a clear decrease over all. Progress pictures can be taken at the same state (relaxed preferably), and in the same light condition.
Cognitive dissonance
You're not eating that ice cream because you just worked out and you want maximal muscle growth or because it has a lot of protein in it. You're eating it because it tastes nice. Read about cognitive dissonance, it messes up your routine.
Edit: modified the protein recommendation

MisterRoid 9y ago
I have a big appetite and love to eat, so I think it's difficult to lose weight. But at the same time, it's necessary sometimes to be attractive. It looks really fucking ugly to have a weak jawline, and although I have a lover that is attracted to me the way I look now, I want to like what I see when I look at myself in the mirror.
However, you can use DNP to get it over with faster. I have just started a DNP cycle (600mg ed) and I'm hoping to lose 10-20lbs in 7-10 days. I will eat 1200-2000 calories and over 200g of protein per day. If one cycle is not enough, I will run another one in May after a 1-2 week break.
Trpscience 9y ago
Two things:
If your "lover" is attracted to you the way you are. It doesn't mean having a weak jawline is her type. She either likes that you are in her league, or doesn't mind your jawline. But you losing weight which does a lot more than just your jawline will make her a lot more attracted to you.
If you do still want to take DNP, I encourage you to do the following things. -Do not take diuretics. That includes coffee -Stay hydrated, drink a lot more water than you usually would -Stay away from other drugs, especially things like cocaine or alcochol -Get a decent medical thermometer (infrared ear thermometer) and monitor your temperature. Make sure it stays under 40 -Don't exercise
MisterRoid 9y ago
Yeah, I agree completely. And being attractive to other women is useful to keep her under control. She has told me that she loves me a few times when other women -- including her boss -- have made advances on me.
I have used DNP before and I know that staying hydrated is important, but thanks for the warnings anyways! My temperature actually never went above the normal range when I used it before (500mg on most days, 750mg e3d or e4d), even though I was sweating like a pig and felt like shit.
RainMaker27 9y ago
I lost around 17 kgs just by running everyday, drinking more watter and not eating junk food in 1 year. I did not read/watch a single thing about fitness.
Seriously, just eat in an ok way and excercise daily. Eventually you'll see improvement and you'll start liking it, then you'll put challenges to yourself and so on.
Like, it's seriously not that hard to lose weight in my opinion.
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GreenTrader 9y ago
I'm sure my pancreas is fine. All my blood work is very normal. IIFYM brah
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Cutting was always easier for me despite having a larger frame. It becomes mundane if you don't add a little variety to your diet, but it's fairly simple. Bulking, especially lean bulking, I find to be a lot tougher. The amount you have to eat consistently can easily make a lot of people, including myself, lapse into eating whatever they want
TelemachusRising 9y ago
Gram of protein per pound of body weight= total supplement company-driven myth. More like .6 to .8 (if you're a volume monster) per pound of lean bodyweight, i.e. minus body fat percentage.
Subtletorious 9y ago
I'm a heretic with you. This claim of 1g/lb is an urban myth that doesn't want to die, right along with swimming after eating.
It is my theory someone once said "1g per kg " and an American couldn't be arsed doing the metric conversion.
http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/
Focusi 9y ago
Actually it depends on the deficit you are running. The higher the deficit the more protein you need to eat to retain muscle nitrogen balance.
For maintainance or bulk this stays true however
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Muricanexpat 9y ago
Id say 1g per kilo seems to do the trick in my experience.
Trpscience 9y ago
Thanks for this. I wasn't too sure of the correct requirements needed so I said that 1g would be fine.
JoRocKStaR 9y ago
5 Tips to Cutting that have helped me lose over -90lbs in the past year.
NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
I'd suggest people just stop chasing sugar highs.
Get used to what it feels like when your body is operating with it's own stored fats and keep your glucose stable and low.
Food actually makes you tired (because you must focus on digestion) so get the lean, mean mentality.
Starving a little is good... it cleans your mind.
It's like cold weather, your body will increase it's heat production when it's cold and so simply getting used to colder temperatures will burn more calories.
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Just one note... You don't need 1g of protein per pound of body weight. 0.8g per pound of LEAN body weight is generally regarded as the sweet spot and I would argue 0.6 is enough. If you're spending 2-3 hours in the gym every day go for 1g, sure, but for the average guy you don't really need to go that far.
Trpscience 9y ago
Thank's, I've looked into it. I will edit my post.
The-os2 9y ago
I'd like to advice using caffein during cutting. As I prefer to be lower in carbs I often get sluggish or mentally fussy. Which gives me two choices; either suck it up or eat more carbs.
This week however I took a caffein pill (equivelant of 2 cups of coffee I believe) and it was difference between night and day. Just make sure you don't use 'em everyday due to tolerance and possible withdrawal.
Trpscience 9y ago
If you are on a low carb diet and you don't feel so good, then you probably need solutes in your system. Coffee is a diuretic and it makes you lose those. The stimulant properties of caffeine made you feel better. But I recommend consuming loads of water and potassium.
canadianbacon22 9y ago
Guys, counting calories isn't as complicated as people make it out to be.
Go out and look for a decent kitchen scale (around 20$), and then devote some time (literally less than an hour) and plan your meals for the next day. Once you plan a meal, it's done. Forever. Especially if you eat the same foods often in your house, like me.
There is no secret formula to losing weight. You just burn more calories than you consume. But nutrition also affects many different aspects of your health. Don't forget that either.
Kingern 9y ago
The most important word in your whole post; it can't be overstated how effective planning is for achieving any goal.
Losing weight, increasing muscle, being time efficient, starting a business, saving for a new car, anything. Don't neglect spontaneity and improvisation because those are vital skills too, but schools should literally have a whole subject devoted to teaching kids proper planning.
Making a good plan and following it is the magic bullet for success in almost everything.
theONE843663 9y ago
With the help of my fitness pal, I could lose major weight eating McDonald's, multivitamin, and potassium supplements.
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Seconded.
Calculate your macros for TDEE - 10% and figure your meals according to your macros.
And remember that cottage cheese is your friend.
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GenghisKhanSpermShot 9y ago
They're finding out more and more calories are not the same, go to keto sub and see the mass amount of people that are losing weight because fat is utilized different than carbs. Hormones and insulin resistance is also a huge part in weight loss, the old burn more calories is a very small piece of the equation. Also intermittent fasting is an amazing addition, we're not made to be shoving shit in our mouth 3 times a day, we're made for feast and famine. That doesn't mean you need to starve yourself but this fallacy we need to constantly eat is insane https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Aw0P7GjHE
Angel_Hunter_D 9y ago
even if you love fast food they've all started putting the calories right there on the damned menu, it doesn't get much easier.
Putins_Orange_Cock 9y ago
You can eat 4 Quarter Pounders a dy and lose weight as a guy. If that's all you eat. It's around 2000 Calories
Angel_Hunter_D 9y ago
Yeah, it's that damned Devil Water that'll get you
GreenTrader 9y ago
Exactly. Losing weight is super easy. Want to hear some real red pill truth? If you are fat, the only reason is because you are lazy. Stop being lazy and be a man.
fstrizzy 9y ago
I wouldn't call Roy Nelson lazy. He trains like a motherfucker. And I definitely would say he's not a man. He can kick the shit out of the majority of the human population. Yet, he's fat. I agree wth your statement to an extent but you are not accounting for genetics. You are just talking shit. There's a lot of "fat" dudes out there who guaranteed work harder than you do and are more manly than you.
Eastuss 9y ago
Losing weight is simple, losing weight is mentally difficult, and losing weight without losing muscle is not simple, not easy and potentially harmful for health.
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Eastuss 9y ago
That is why I mentioned potentially unhealthy.
And frankly, no, it's pretty NOT easy. I tried, did the lift, did the soft deficit, maintained a decent protein intake, all the weight I lost was 50% fat 50% muscle.
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Eastuss 9y ago
I'm normal, everybody lose that much muscles when cutting, that's why it's so much of a big deal on internet.
yapel 9y ago
while its easier than to add muscle, I wouldn't say its super easy, In my case, I get tired all the time, which it wouldn't be a problem if I didn't have anything else to do than to lift things and put them down again.
GreenTrader 9y ago
Bro just literally eat less and you will lose weight. It requires literally no effort. Stop making excuses.
Nigel_Johnson 9y ago
How much have you lost? Were you obese in childhood?
GreenTrader 9y ago
Lol no I was not fat because I'm a normal human that stops eating when I realize I'm full.
Blaat1985 9y ago
Once you come near the single digit bodyfat levels it's anything but easy.
GreenTrader 9y ago
It's honestly not that hard. Workout, don't eat like a hog, and you will get there. I've floated between 5-8% my entire adult life.
Blaat1985 9y ago
Sure you have. Contest ready bodybuilders need to be dehydrated, cut carbs and take a shitton of drugs to reach 5% for a day and you have been able to do it without effort your entire adult life. ????
At lower than 8% as a natural you become very weak, your testostone production crashes to zero, you become limp dicked, you feel hungry all the time and you will develop brainfog.
I call major bullshit on your claim. You like the rest of the population severly underestimate your bodyfatpercentage. Its more likely between 10 - 14.
GreenTrader 9y ago
Lol no, 10% is a dad bod. But I have nothing to prove so believe it or not, doesn't matter to me.
nebder 9y ago
Takes 10-12% bf to show 6 pack abs. That's a far cry from dad bod.
Don't spread misinformation.
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Jack and diet cokes.
Vodka soda w/lime
Mojito
Vodka cranberry
Rob Roy
Manhattans
Old fashioned
nebder 9y ago
Switched from beer to whiskey on the rocks. I order a pitcher of water to start the night. Sip some whiskey and drink lots of water for the beer replacement.
Works well for me.
GreenTrader 9y ago
Then stop drinking so much? I don't understand what your point is.
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GreenTrader 9y ago
Yeah people are making millions off of people's lack of self control and laziness. The red pill truth is lack of self control is a lack of discipline and blue pill. Be mentally strong and stop letting things control you.
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GreenTrader 9y ago
Be honest, most people aren't alcoholics. My one friend had real withdraw and almost died, he was drinking two bottles by 10pm. Most people have a a six pack a night. Most people just lack self control.
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I_Need_More_Space_ 9y ago
Go seek professional help on your addiction. This is not the place for that. You will just keep typing excuses here. Best of luck to ya.
yummyluckycharms 9y ago
Keeping protein levels high is easily the hardest thing - even when you cut down the cost by swilling protein shakes, the sheer amount that needs to be consumed is a lot to eat and pay for.
Trpscience 9y ago
You don't need anywhere that much. 0.6g per pound of body weight is more than enough.
yummyluckycharms 9y ago
0.6 seems quite specific - I thought the general rule of thumb was 1 gram per pound. Meaning a person who was 200 pounds would need 200 grams, and thats assuming the body is 100% efficient in absorbing that protein. But in practical terms, I dont find that easy to get up to the higher range of protein.
For example, taking the cheapest meat out there - ground beef - its 26g per 100g. Meaning you would need to eat 800 grams of ground beef (over 3/4 of a kg), which works out to be roughly 8 dollars CAD a day. Close to $60 a week on just ground beef alone. That is a lot of food.
Now of course, we consume other sources of protein, protein shakes and milk obviously, but when I measure out how much protein I get - its probably close to 125-150g a day realistically speaking. small stomach I guess
SgtBrutalisk 9y ago
I'd like to advise buying a food brush, dipping it in some oil and coating your food (steaks, potatoes) with it rather than pouring oil in the pan. Alternatively, brush the bottom of the pan with oil.
If you save one spoonful of oil a day, it's 120 calories less a day.
GreenTrader 9y ago
Genetics, in human beings, are not an excuse to be fat. A hard to swallow red pill truth. A two standard deviation difference in RMR (resting metabolic rate) is about 500-600kcals. Hardly enough to make en excuse for excess body fat, male or female.
CHIPPENDALESIXNINE 9y ago
I get guys st work asking me how I get cut every spring for boxing and it drives me crazy. The reason being they know what to do, they just lack the discipline. The biggest thing I see is alcoholism. In their minds they're not, but if you're going home and killing 6-12 drinks every night after work (yes that includes beer), you're ruining your workouts and you have a problem. Cut out juice, alcohol, and replace it with at least 8 bottles of water a day and your average Joe will probably lose 10-15 lbs in a month.
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6+ beers a night and you're definitely an alcoholic. I'd say anything more than a few times a week and you're pushing it.
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You should to drink 33ml water for every 1 kg of your weight. If you are 100kg - 3,3l water.
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nigmondo 9y ago
16.9ml is a really small bottle of water wtf?
The_Koala 9y ago
To be fair, the whole "drink x amount of water a day" is t really supported by hard science, drinking a certain amount of water every day isn't really needed, just drink when you are thirsty and you'll be fine. And don't drink bottled water, those companies are the reason the 8 cups of water a day myth is even perpetuated.
I_Need_More_Space_ 9y ago
False. You lose your thirst mechanism as you get older via degeneration of thyroid activity. So, you can't just rely on the thirst mechanism your whole life.
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The_Koala 9y ago
It's actually not that hard to overhydrate, it happens quite regularly, mostly in people who are engaging in some sort of workout/sport who have been conditioned for years to always drink water whether you need to or not. Not trying to sound like a know-it-all, I never took some sort of class on the appropriate amount of water to drink, I just know that water brands like Aquafina, Poland Springs, etc really pushed the whole "you must have this much water per day" thing. Hell, if you even look on the my fitness pal app (which OP mentioned) they have a section where you can put in how much water you've had that day, which is a section coincidentally sponsored by Aquafina. Again, not a doctor or anything, but look into this sort of thing if you haven't already, it's interesting stuff. That being said, yeah, drinking that much water everyday is fine, I just think it's wierd that we are being told to essentially force the water down.
I_Need_More_Space_ 9y ago
It is actually quite hard to over-hydrate in this culture of prevalent sodium. Drinking lots of water is countered by adding some sea salt to the water if you are very concerned about getting too hypotonic (overly hydrated).
Anyway, the best marker to know if you are well hydrated is by the color and clarity of your urine. It should be pale yellow to yellow and clear for optimal hydration. If your urine is ever dark yellow or darker, you are in a serious state of dehydration. If its cloudy too. That is bad as well. Pee midstream in a cup and look at your piss if you are really interested in your hydration.
Finally, you should be pissing frequently. If 3 hours go by without pissing, you are not treating yourself right in the H20 department.
reecewagner 9y ago
Agreed on the water vs juice/beer thing. I'm not a big beer fan so this has never been a huge issue for me.
Where I'm stumbling lately is with the HUNGER. I have been eating primarily chicken breasts, broccoli/cauliflower and quinoa for the majority of April so far, and I am STARVING. I thought protein was supposed to fill you up but this chicken is doing nothing for me and I want some PASTA AND SOME GOD DAMN CHEESE.
I have enough discipline to last through April, but May 1st I feel like I'm fucked again because I can't spend another month hungry.
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Beans seem to kill my appetite pretty good
rockinhard130 9y ago
Chicken makes you weak. Eat more beef
ThirstyTimmy 9y ago
Meh meat is meat. And meat is good
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The_Koala 9y ago
Lean protein is much better for you than beef.
I_Need_More_Space_ 9y ago
False. You can have meats high in saturated fats and cholesterol as long as you don't have processed sugars with them. Google the scam the sugar industry (Coca-Cola/Pepsi) peddled in the 70's etc on how they paid Harvard researchers to blame saturated fats for coronary arterial disease while ignoring the HUGE role sugar plays in the diseases.
cosine88 9y ago
Don't forget to eat Fats.
-Fats are the energy source your body should run on -it's better for any endurance sport -Your body has huge stores of it, so when you run primarily on fat your body doesn't crave more food -Your body can't store carbohydrates that long, so if you run on carbohydrates, your brain constantly tells you to be hungry and eat more so you don't run out of energy
Just eat fats from good sources. Whole eggs, coconut oil, olive oil, nuts and seeds(almonds and walnuts are the best), and avocados. When you eat all that broccoli and cauliflower, add in some other greens and make it tasty with a healthy amount of olive oil and balsamic vinegar.
I_Need_More_Space_ 9y ago
Word! Why do people stray from fats?! You can have saturated fats such as in steaks as long as you don't consume processed sugars in conjunction (deadly coronary combo there if you have processed sugars with lots of fat). You also need saturated fats and cholesterol to make hormones. Forget the fucking chicken breast! Have boneless, skinless chicken thighs. Have grilled wild caught salmon. Have tri-tip. Have avocados. Cook with olive oil. Have nuts. Why the fuck are you just eating chicken breast, broccoli, cauliflower, and quinoa? Not a good plan, Bro.
moargainz 9y ago
Also, around 80g of fat a day is required for good testosterone production.
Proof: try eating 80g for a few day, then 40g for a few day, compare libido.
Trpscience 9y ago
Sorry but I will have to disagree here. You shouldn't avoid fat, nor carbohydrates. Any type of fat or oil has been stripped out of many essential nutrients. An olive will contain a lot more nutrients than it's fatty extract alternative.
120kcal worth of olives (about 100g) in your salad will be a lot more satisfying, filling, and nutritious than 120kcal of extra virgin olive oil (aproximately one tablespoon).
cosine88 9y ago
I think you missed my point. My point was to try to seek out fats and to run largely on fats. It isn't to avoid carbohydrates, or good food like olives. Or avocados. Or nuts....etc.
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JoDoStaffShow 9y ago
Yeeee boxing. What weight you fighting at boss?
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I_Need_More_Space_ 9y ago
Getting as big as possible for any reason just shows insecurity. It is really of no use to have lots of excess muscle. I think the natural and healthy approach is the best long game plan.
Galbert123 9y ago
Getting big can be pretty fun. For some it may be insecurity but thats a pretty silly blanket statement.
I_Need_More_Space_ 9y ago
And I'm allowed to make blanket statements.
Some dudes are naturally big. I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about all the dudes who aren't, and read muscle mags, and drink the Globo-Gym-Bro Koolaid. Size and plate strength means nothing if you don't use it to live a good life. Add up all the hours a "Bro" might spend in a lifetime under flourescent lights lifting plates, and that time could be better spent chasing a variety of endeavors. In my opinion, that is a wasted life chasing vanity.
Do something with your fitness is what I say. Take martial arts. Ski. Rock climb. Raft. Mountain Bike. Use your fitness exploring and getting out into the world. Don't spend it in a room filled with mirrors.
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I_Need_More_Space_ 9y ago
I taught my brother, whom is off the couch, to ski in a day as well. He ski'd green runs.
Honestly, I wouldn't consider skiing groom actual skiing. After all, skiing was invented to get around in the wilderness and back country.
I just started my skiing career this season, and when I arrive to Squaw today it will mark my 60th day of resort skiing. I have 10 days in the back country totaling 70. With stable Spring snow and weather coming up, the back country will sky-rocket soon.
Anyhow, cheers to you for starting to ski. Just don't get caught up in the groomed runs. Skiing really gets amazing when you go off piste, and even more amazing when you go back country. Back country skiing requires that you climb up what you ski. A few weeks ago, my buddy and I went from 8k feet to 11k feet on our skis outfitted with climbing skins. Then had lunch. Then pulled the skins off. Then shredded down untouched, corn snow. You could see our helix lines going down the face for miles.
You can't do that shit being bulky. I know this. I've been mountaineering for about 3 years now. I used to be around 230 lbs. with some good muscular mass (More than I need). Now, I'm down to 205 with less mass, but I'm still strong (Not as strong as before though). And climbing at altitude is much easier. My rock climbing has also improved drastically.
And that rock climbing has actually helped in the skiing. I know heights and exposure from climbing. So, when I look at an off groom, high, steep drop like Maggoos, Slot, or Rock Garden at Squaw, I don't panic. My body stays in control, and I can ski that shit. Most people freeze up and biff it or they bail out.
My ski posse cannot believe I'm a first year skier dropping in on gnarly. But, most of them are not rock climbers. ;)
I do go to the gym to squat, do pullups, shoulder press, and hit certain muscle groups I can't hit at home. But, my weight gym also has a climbing gym. So I hit that after my weight session. Sauna afterwards. I do that once per week. That is all.
I just can't see 2 hours per day for 5-6 days per week dedicated to just weights as a good way to utilize life time. I see the gym rats in my gym with absurd biceps, shoulders, and chest. And they don't even hit the climb wall that is right there for them to use! Why? Because they suck at climbing. And they feel humiliated to see a chick out climb them. Or they feel humiliated to see a smaller guy out climb them. Insecurity boxes them into a more boring life of vanity training.
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I_Need_More_Space_ 9y ago
Not fit through doors... Hahaha! That's hilarious. Do what ya do. I think many of us have had that phase. I've just switched to chasing natural highs and adrenaline. That's the best drug I've ever done, and I've done a lot of them in my 20's. Early 30's now. And I've tasted the rush of danger. Gonna hit the whitewater soon as well. All this snow in Tahoe is going to melt and make for a juicy season!
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GreenTrader 9y ago
Isn't this about being red pill? Being red pill is mentally tough. Eating less isn't hard, it's easy.
krazeesheet 9y ago
it is not difficult. eat good food, sit up straight, work hard, play harder
Recon_by_Fire 9y ago
If your a busy person, I recommend cooking Sous Vide style with a WIFI precision cooker. Perfect meat, minimal effort.
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SetConsumes 9y ago
Most men lack discipline or eat their feelings because of unresolved/addressed pain.
The rest is basically rationalizations of various sorts if those two aren't taken care of first.
Nigel_Johnson 9y ago
My buddy who was anal about chronometer entries and would weigh a chicken before eating, then the bones after, has now got intestinal cancer and three to six months.
Guy got me into the gym, best shape of my life, and hottest most fun girls ever (HB 9 5'8" former Elite National Champion Cheerleader and HB10 5'9.5" Mila Jovovich twink who led me to le TRP). He's no slouch, at 5'8" hit 200 lbs. and a 280 lb bench, and would LeanGains down to 158. He's a senior programmer/analyst at FedEx.
Listen to your body, it's smarter than you are. I ate whatever and lost 30 lbs of fat, and was in a good mood. He was always down and laser focused on diet, despite what his body was telling him.
Don't eat for appetite, or just because it's that time of day. Wait until you get real hunger, which is for something specific. That can take several days.
Prostagmavolumelege 9y ago
That's not how cancer works. Don't listen to your body, it wants to feed it wants to store food, that's how it's been programmed and kept us alive long before when we were hunter gatherers, our genes are the same. Your body is always anticipating you won't get to eat tomorrow. So don't listen to it, mould it to what you want it to be. Also get your vitamins...listen to that.
Nigel_Johnson 9y ago
So how does cancer work? I'm sure that's the #1 question on his mind.
Prostagmavolumelege 9y ago
So cancer is your cells escaping some basic checks that keep all your cells in line. Stopping them growing when they shouldn't, and stopping them growing when the DNA is damaged. How do you get damage to your DNA? By making your cells replicate unnecessarily, and because your cells are replicating unnecessarily they are at risk to environmental chemicals. Think smoking, when you smoke you damage the lining of your mouth, and lungs, the body isn't going to just sit there so it will replicate cells to replace the cells that are damaged, as they are replicating the cells DNA is at risk of attack from chemicals to mutate. If the mutation happens in the wrong place in your DNA certain proteins that carry out the checks to make sure DNA isn't damaged or to replicate only when told might stop working. Now you have cells that are unregulated and able to replicate without a care in the world.
You can get these mutations by inducing damage to your DNA by unhealthy lifestyle like smoking, being overweight (overweight means more cells, more cells mean more risk of cancer). Drinking to much alcohol (combined with smoking it's a timebomb) which damages your mouth throat liver. Now for GI cancers you can be unlucky and have inherited a gene which predisposes you to cancer, you have two alleles, think (mum and dad DNA), so one could be mutated in just the right place which means if the other one gets mutated you get cancer. You could have an Unhealthy eating lifestyle (burnt bread), or the idea is if you eat alot of red meats and less fiber, red meats stay in your bowels for just a bit longer, meaning they could potentially induce damage to your cells, which mean even more replication of cells (the bowels already replicate cells at a past pace anyways because of the nature of the bowels work). This is like a simplified way of how cancer kind of works or can be induced.
Edit: When I say eating lots of red meats I mean like every single day and processed foods. Eating it twice a week or something would be fine.
Nigel_Johnson 9y ago
...or eating it every day, bleu, without veggies/carbs/processed foods. I do ZC, and it rocks.
PissedPajamas 9y ago
Came in here to say that while most people overestimate their calorie intake some people underestimate their maintenance calories and end up severely underfed.
I was hitting the gym 6 times a week for 60 minutes with cardio trying to cut at 2000 and I felt awful, exhausted as hell I could sleep alll day and weight loss stalled. Didn't start losing weight again till I upped my cals to 2500, my old "maintenance".
Turns out my real maintenance was closer to 3000-3200 cals. Watch out for this cause it's worse than overfeeding
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Damn. What's your height and weight?
PissedPajamas 9y ago
5'9 185lb 11.4% bf. Tried 20 different calculators and averaged out the results. It put me at 3000 but I'm still losing weight, so I'm suspecting it's closer to 3200.
[deleted] 9y ago
Damn that's a solid line. Any pics on reddit for reference? I'm at an awkward stage where I still want to lose some fat, but am feeling too skinny as well.
d0lphinsex 9y ago
The most effective diet is turning your body to burning fat instead of glucose (=being in ketosis). Ketosis + fasting is the ultimate combo. I've lost ~30 lbs (13 kg) in 3 months doing this, from 200 lbs (90 kg) to 170 lbs (77 kg). My goal for this year is 154 lbs (70 kg) because I hope that's where my abs will show. I workout 6 days a week as well and do some cardio (20 min) to and from the gym. I combine three diets: LCHF + 16:8 + 5:2, i.e. I eat LCHF every day between lunch and dinner (=16:8) and on the weekends I eat LCHF but only 600 kcal a day (=5:2).
Look up www.dietdoctor.com, www.ketogains.com, and www.leangains.com
Cicuta 9y ago
Your post should not be labeled "science." It is nescient dietary dogma. It is a well-followed rut to failure. I'm sure you have heard of the show the Biggest Losers. Do you know why they don't ever have a reunion show? Because they all gain their weight back. Why? Because they are following the "diet" you posted above. Why does that "diet" fail? The main reason is that calorie restriction as you propose causes the body to reduce its metabolism rate. Thus in the long run people gain weight back while eating less. The diet you suggest also does nothing to control insulin which is the only hormone that can put on weight or take it off. Food selection, when one eats, and when one doesn't eat is not only far more successful but sustainable long term. That allows you to take off weight without lowering your metabolism (in fact it often rises) and it controls insulin. All you've done with your post is show people how to be miserable, fail, and move close to diabetes.
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Trpscience 9y ago
I clearly mention how weight loss must be slow and gradual. I also recommended IF and low GI food for the metabolic issue you talk about.
Subtletorious 9y ago
The reason The Biggest Loser contestants often regain weight is multi-fold. Because the show is based upon rapid weight-loss under unusual circumstances, when the show ends the contestants return to the same lifestyle patterns that caused the original weight gain. Additionally, because the weight loss is rapid, the body's drive to maintain homeostasis pushes the person to want to return to the original obese 'normal'. Because homeostasis has not been slowly adjusted, a normal weighted 'obese' person's body is reacting like it is being starved.
The Biggest Loser is one of the worst role models for healthy living ever shown on television.
Cicuta 9y ago
No... for many the weight loss was over many months, that is not sudden. And most of them do not return to their old ways. They had a new problem to deal with, metabolism. The problem is they have driven down their metabolic rate but not reset it. One's metabolic rate can be changed but it is better to move it up to lose weight than down.
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Cicuta 9y ago
Only recently. I realized about 11 years ago that the medical establishment really had diet and nutrition very wrong. It is slowly righting itself one doctor death at at time. Fung makes a good argument for new ears.
GreenTrader 9y ago
As a graduate with a BS in kinesiology, you are incorrect. Calorie restriction does not reduce metabolism. In fact, metabolism is a non factor in humans as almost everyone is within 500kcals a day. All that matters is the third law of thermodynamics.
Cicuta 9y ago
You may have a BS in kinesiology but your knowledge of metabolism in regard to diet is BS. Your reference to thermodynamics indicates you are really ignorant of what is going on physically. If I put a gallon of gas in my car I can expect to go a certain distance accounting for heat, friction et cetera. If I put a gallon of water in my car things don't work as well despite the fact that water has a huge amount of energy. Or if I have a full gas tank and I add a little water that is different than if I have a near empty gas tank and I add a little water. The fuel influences the engine, the amount, and when. It is so with the human body which is chemically far more complex than a car's motor. What you eat can have dramatic effect on the body, as can when and how often. And all of this does not violate any laws of physics.
GreenTrader 9y ago
Lol okay bro, medical doctors agree with me too. All that matters is calories in calories out. You can not violate laws of the universe. If you are fat, you eat too much. End of story.
Cicuta 9y ago
Not, not only is not the end of the story. It is not the story at all. Your reply is ignorant. Note I did not say you are ignorant but your reply certainly is and that is because it is based on doctor dogma not facts. Indeed, doctors, on average, get one afternoon (one class) on diet and nutrition in med school and that is related to disease states — like scurvy — not optimal health. They are usually extremely ignorant of diet and nutrition hence your ignorant comment as it is based on that dogma.
Nothing I have said violates calories in calories out. However that model does not describe the chemically complex human body and how it works. The statement “if you are fat you eat too much” is a tiddly wink piece in a chess match.
First, only one chemical puts on weight and takes off weight: Insulin. All weight gain and all weight loss is directly tied to insulin. How you control your insulin affects metabolism. The body has two metabolic systems and within both systems it has two choices: Burn energy or store it.
Did you read a previous answer that has the car analogy? What if I put a gallon of gas in your car? You expect it run a certain way. What if I put a gallon of water in it? How will it run? Water has a huge amount of energy so it should run just fine as, according to you, it is just about calories in calories out. You ignore what the machine does with the calories and the kind of calories. Water has a different effect on the car’s performance was would kerosene or alcohol. Also when is the water added, when the tank is low or when you have 30 gallons in there. That will affect things, too. Point: Just as the kind of fuel you put in your car affects its performance it is same with the human body except the body is far more complex and chemically easier to screw up.
The type of food you eat (and to an extent when you eat it) affects insulin and that effects which metabolic system you use and whether the energy is burned or stored and if the metabolism needs to be shifted down or up. One meal might get 35 percent burned and 65% stored. Another meal of the same caloric amount might get 90% burned and only 10% stored. If you store more than you metabolically burn you gain weight. That is directly controlled by insulin and that is controlled by food choice and when you eat. That can also effects metabolism, which can be turned up or down by the same mechanism. Exercise, while adored by many, is a wash at best. It increases appetite and in the long run does not contribute to weight loss as much as diet. There is a huge amount of research about exercise’s failure in that regard.
In 1976 the obesity rate was abut 6%. Today it is about 66%. Do you think in those 40 years more than half the population became excessive gluttons and lazy sloths (which also carries a lot of judgmental value.) Or is a more likely explanation people changed what and how they ate? There is a huge amount of evidence for the latter. When I see a fat person I don’t say — like you do — there goes someone who eats too much, too many calories in, not enough out. I say there is a person whose diet is constantly telling his/her body to store more energy than burn while turning down their metabolism to accommodate that so no precious laws of physics are violated.
A fat person gets fatter even if they eat less because their body is in a “store” mode and will save as much energy as it can and will turn down metabolism to accommodate that. So it is more like calories in, some burned for critical processes, and the rest stored. This requires more and more insulin and at some point the pancreas wears out, and they have to start taking exo-insulin which makes the problem only worse and chronic. To solve the problem one has to change the fuel (often change which metabolic system one uses) reduce the insulin need and use, and decrease the storage mode. That is directly affected by food choices, and also when one eats.
It is a far more complex issue than just calories in, calories out. It is what kind of calories and when, it is which metabolic system to use, it is how much stored, how much burnt, the metabolism accommodating that and most importantly the regulation of insulin.
GreenTrader 9y ago
That's a really cool story bro, but end of day it's all about macros and calories in, calories out. And yes, all fat people eat too much. This is red pill, this is life. Really strange I drink tons of beer, eat full meals at 2am and go to sleep, eat fast food, and yet still don't get fat. Oh that's right, it's because I'm not lazy and I exercise daily and don't eat over my calories out amount. Strange how it works every single time. It's not complex at all.
Cicuta 9y ago
Your short-term view does not reflect long-term reality. What you are doing is already taxing your pancreas, making your cells more insulin resistant and packing fat around your organs even if you can't see it (by the way that fat is metabolically active and will raise your estradiol levels.) You ignorantly going down a bad road.
Focusi 9y ago
This is one of the most retarded and uninformed comments I have ever read on TRP
Cicuta 9y ago
Then get fat and stay fat. Not my problem. I have given you the fundamentals you will someday return to to lose weight permanently.
Focusi 9y ago
I've lost a lot of weight and kept it off using the above method. I have also built a lot of muscle mass and gained a lot of strength.
Cicuta 9y ago
That's an oblique answer without a time frame and age. How long did it take to come off, how much did you lose, how long has it been off?
Focusi 9y ago
Lost around 100 lbs over a 1.5 year period and I've kept it off for 2 years now
Cicuta 9y ago
That's too short of a time to call that a success. Email in in 10 years.
MisterNotKnowItAll 9y ago
Cognitive dissonance is my biggest issue when staying on a cut. I will lie to myself just long enough to get those last 500 extra calories in for the day and ruin my deficit. I think the biggest thing that helped me succeed daily is tracking every calorie BEFORE I put it in my mouth, helps me hold myself more accountable.
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What worked for me was eating healthy each 3 hours. Seriously, the weight loss is amazing.
[deleted] 9y ago
As someone who is very into health and fitness, this is an incredible post. I often see shitty fitness/ lifting/ nutrition posts in TRP that spew the same bullshit you see all over the internet. This is top quality.
Blacklabellogics 9y ago
One point on number 3. Always weigh yourself at the same time in the same state. I recommend morning, after using the bathroom, before breakfast/drinking anything.
alvynart 9y ago
Overall great tips. The first statement is overly broad and vague, the body does not fight weight loss, it wants to maintain homeostasis. The body does want to maintain muscle (to a certain degree, body builders must eat a ton to stay big).
First everyone's body is different, and everyone s state of health is different. A person that is obese is going to have fucked up hormones (ESP insulin) as well as brain issues that require a more tailored approach for that specific person. Get a blood test done to check for any issues or deficiencies. Dr Rhonda Patrick recommends Wellness FX
Look into her podcast for amazing thouruogh really science Found my Fitness. Found her through Joe Rogan, I'm not even being paid to promote, she's just on it.
One thing I would add is get good sleep, so beneficial for both brain and body.
I_Need_More_Space_ 9y ago
Dr. Patrick is the shit! I've seen every episode she has done on the Joe Rogan Exp. She is a doll too.
Draviz 9y ago
i somewhere heard "you have to protect your self from your lower self" you have to build an environment that protects you from falling off track
GEN_GOTHMOG 9y ago
I'm one of those people with a seemingly inefficient Basal Metabolic Rate. My body used energy from food at a high rate and thus putting on weight is something I can only do if I try my absolute best at it.
I put on 10kg of mostly muscle in 2013, which took me 9 months. When I had to stop working out I was down 10kg in 2 months.
Trpscience 9y ago
Drink your calories. It's easiest way to get massive amounts in. A scoop of whey (diet whey phd 25g = 90kcal) in milk (500ml full fat = 300kcal) mixed with oats (100g = 380kcal) is. 770kcal in a very small volume. Also, you can put olive oil on your salad, in your soup, or on your food (The Italians and Mediterraneans told me it goes with anything). Every tablespoon used is 120kcal.
Keep in mind that you can only realistically gain 0.5lb (0.25kg) of muscle per week. So if you gain 1kg in a week you're probably closer to becoming obese rather than superman.
I_Need_More_Space_ 9y ago
Weight loss is not that difficult. Pick up some great physical hobbies that involve cardio and strength. Eat well. Stay active all the time. Intermittently fast 3-4 times per week. And, seriously cut out junk food.
I struggled with being pudgy for so many years. Then I found out about IF'ing. I was already active, but that was the key. Now, I'm getting in pretty damn good shape.
NihilistMonkey 9y ago
That's why two of my six daily meals are whey protein isolate drinks with almond milk. Incredibly filling for the caloric content and helps reach my daily protein goals.