People ask me a lot of questions on this topic, but there's also also a lot of hysteria, reticence, and general fear surrounding it "muh fertility" "muh apprehension of needles "muh steroids are evil" etc.
So I decided I'll do a FAQ on TRT, one and done, and leave it there.
If you have any questions related to the topic, ask them there, and assuming they're relevant or not already answered, I'll put them into the FAQ.
To be clear: I won't be responding in this thread, selected questions will make it into the FAQ, which will be published to Illimitable Men.

tylerismarla 8y ago
I.M. Can you discuss how TRT affects your energy and focus personally? Is it a steady stream of energy or perhaps a Ritalinesque manic drive??? I've read/heard people saying they have energy all day every day. Also people saying they can focus and work for hours and not get distracted. Like 16 hours straight type work.
How much sleep do you need on trt? Obviously sleep is absolutely critical, however I've heard some say the energy they have and the better sleep they get means they don't need to sleep as much as they used to.
Cheers, looking forward to the Q&A
megahurt 9y ago
Is TRT for me?
Age 39, 5'9", 165 lb. I run and/or work out at least 3 times a week.
Total: 473 ng/dL Free: 77.1 pg/mL
According to some charts I find online, my number is that of a 75-84 year old man, but somehow that still falls in the range of "normal". WTF?
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IllimitableMan 9y ago
It wouldn't affect your testosterone by itself, but it means you wouldn't need to include HCG in your TRT protocol to retain fertility because you've effectively already made yourself infertile via the vasectomy procedure. This means spending less money on your TRT protocol, and having less injections each week. On the flipside, HCG allows greater flexibility over one's fertility than a vasectomy does.
coarseturf 9y ago
If you could share some insights on low free T. I have high total Testosterone but most of it is bound. Have you come across anything where such situations could be dealt with?
bigribcages 9y ago
So this might sound bad but I am 19 and on testosterone undecanoate, I grew up obese so that probably was the reason I ended up at 250-300 total testosterone and close to 0 free testosterone. I lost 100 pounds in the course of 3-4 months at 16 when I discovered TRP and some other forums.
The doctors know nothing about the protocols and anything related to testosterone replacement but after 3 female doctors that thought my levels were perfectly fine and vitamin E was the reason I was low testosterone I finally managed to get myself on TRT. I did all the required lab works, tried everything before jumping on TRT I could naturally but it still didn't go up. Well now it's almost a year of TRT and everything is better but I still get a bit of a roller coaster effect in the last weeks before a shot due to nebido's nature.
I am finally building muscle in the gym and don't even need to get a nap at 2pm to function further. My problem is that the only doctor who decided I do need TRT thinks its temporary and plans to end it soon. This is obviously bad for me because I will be shut down and no, he isn't planning in doing restart because he never even heard of estrogen management or pct (he wants me to get total T and free T lab works after 2 weeks of my last shot to "prove" that I am fixed).
What am I supposed to do? Try other doctors or just use the money I have saved to continue maintenance dosage by myself? I am from Eastern Europe so the doctors are even worse regarding TRT, I know more than they do with what I've researched on the internet and books relating to TRT.
UrsusG 9y ago
Okay, basic questions I guess:
st3roids 9y ago
It doesnt , igf does and in general high doses of hgh aka growth hormone , .
If prostate cancer evidence suggest high estrogens do it not high steroids , thats why you use serms or aromatase inhibitors like arimidex
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SigmundRoidd 9y ago
You see I don't get this subreddit. What GLO said is true, a LOT of this is highly individual.
Any reputable doctor will tell you this, that's why bloodwork is so crucial; you do not want to be shooting in the dark when it comes to your physiology.
He just explained it in a more casual manner and someone will down vote. Seek to understand before you condemn an idea.
gripsman 9y ago
You do understand that no amount of bloodwork will give you insight to how long your genetics will allow you to glide by on abuse? TRT is abuse
blueboyroy 9y ago
Abuse? Do you have any literature on that? Do you have any science to back that up or are you just pulling that out of your ass?
Abuse is having to live with 225 ng/dl of total testosterone. That is having your manhood taken away.
Restoring levels to optimal physiological levels is not abuse. Being told it's "normal" to have suboptimal testosterone levels is abuse.
reddit_sucks3 9y ago
I wonder if this asshole above concern trolls on womens forums and harps about how taking HRT, estrogen and other female hormone replacement therapys are abuse as well.
I'd be guessing probably not because women are indeed wonderful, can do no wrong, and if a man is attempting to go out of his way to be more of a man he's a demon-scum-women-hater.
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BOSpecial 9y ago
Yeah, TRT should be done under supervision and I would take it only if I was 70 years old. Some these guys will do anything to get laid lol
reddit_sucks3 9y ago
I checked out some of your post history.
"Well, I do plan on leaving Brazil sooner or later. This country is faded to nothing more than failure at the hands of its people."
LOL. You're a "doctor" from Brazil? Bwuahaha I could be a doctor a lawyer, a pilot, or anything I wanted to in Brazil if I paid off enough people. I guarantee the education of my doctor would spin circles around your dumb ass.
Nobody gives a fuck about your shitty pseduo doctor opinion. If you practice in Brazil that means absolutely nothing; you are a doctor to third world shithole savages. If you came to America, your degree would mean absolutely nothing and you'd be a janitor.
There is a reason American colleges don't recognize degrees from places like Brazil, your supposed education means absolutely nothing. Come here and clean toilets!
reddit_sucks3 9y ago
If you are going to make a post here, use proper punctuation you fucking neanderthal.
If you're going to ran against TRT usage, drop some scientific studies outlining the negative side effects. Don't have any? Go fuck yourself then.
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reddit_sucks3 9y ago
You misspelled the word "you".
Yep, there is so much data out there that I asked for a single, yes a single source from you and you are unable to provide it. So much data that your unable to copy paste a single link?
Everything is up for discussion you simple man-child of a human being.
So let me get this straight. You come onto this board to rant away about how scientifically proven it is that TRT has negative side effects. You are called out on your bullshit and are asked to provide sources, and your response is that this "isnt up for discussion". If thats the case and this isnt up for discussion, why did you even bother coming onto this board if not for discussion purposes?
You are a pathetic waste of space. Please go concern troll somewhere else.
RubyOrchid13 9y ago
Sorry, no one is going to take you seriously with that atrocious grammar of yours.
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SigmundRoidd 9y ago
No you're right. Managing hemoglobin+hematocrit, proper lipid values, blood pressure and having adequate estrogen levels are all things many people don't consider when hopping on TRT. It's a lifelong decision that needs to be made with consistent bloodwork done ALL throughout your life, and many people aren't willing to do that.
zurgenfloggin 9y ago
LOL, no one is diagnosing or prescribing formally here. Just sharing information -- imperfect as it always is. Don't be so narrow as to think doctors are the only ones who should be giving inaccurate advice.
If you go to enough doctors over a long enough time, you see a vast array of conflicting advice. I've seen even a single doctor wildly change his opinion on treatments in very short timeframes. What never seems to change is the strident conviction that they are correct. That never seems to change.
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IllimitableMan 9y ago
You doctors don't even know what you're doing most of the time. The vast majority of you are vastly uneducated in TRT, misdiagonise, and run horrible treatment protocols. Maybe if you were more competent in your jobs, people wouldn't have to self-medicate or look to the internet.
You are ignorant flouting your alleged professional status. Nobody cares.
Oh and because you're a credentialist cunt, for what it's worth, I have the support of a specialist TRT doctor to run this FAQ. So kindly get the fuck out of my thread.
Temptationn 9y ago
I second this when I got gyno from roids and asked for the meds that get rid of this they said "that won't work just stop injecting, rofl no pct protocol a Dr with 30 years under his belt.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Which is doing even more damage to you, by not giving you the ancillaries you need. The level of pathetic incompetence can't be fully emphasised through the medium of text, it's that bad.
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SigmundRoidd 9y ago
Agreed. Some of the thought process in medicine regarding this is to just put people on antidepressants rather trying to source out the cause of depression /anxiety which in a lot of men is a testosterone deficiency. However it's difficult to just put all people in one category, each person's neurology is different and various factors can influence you, factors other than just testosterone deficiency.
That's why I always recommend people find a GOOD and trustworthy doctor whose had experience with this.
ben492 9y ago
Because there's no miracle cure for depression. It's a complex mechanism that we don't know that much about.
You can't always source out the cause as a doctor. So yes antidepressants are the way to go because they can, sometimes, improve things even though it's not a cure.
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ben492 9y ago
That's because medicine is so vast as a doctor you can't know about everything.
If you want a doctor who knows about TRT treatment, go see an endocrinologist specialized in men's health.
But please don't say that "doctors know shit about TRT". It's all about their own discipline.
ofc a general practitioner won't know much about TRT treatment because it's not his job.
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The back and forth of research, corruption/collusion with drug companies, profit over health and having concerns mostly ignored etc has eroded the fabric of trust between doctor/patient.
That is why the internet turns to "hacks", because they don't trust that a good thing isn't being withheld for one of the reason above.
For me, an example is BMI. I'm very muscular and my doctor just says lower bmi is better? And with some hard probing it becomes clear he means lower body fat. Ok, so test my body fat then . Nope, we don't do that. Ok. So they claim to care about health, but its clear they don't want to pay for the real answers.
RubyOrchid13 9y ago
You agree that doctors are shit, but think people should only trust the opinions of these shit doctors? Seems like you simply enjoy the power you have over people's health. Probably a real asshole doctor that your patients hate. I have worked in medicine btw. Most doctors receive almost zero training in hormone replacement therapy, I less you are female.
You are just using the logical fallacy known as the appeal to authority. A fact is a fact, no matter who says it. If a person says something that is true, having an MD in front of their name is irrelevant. Even if you are a doc, or PA, or NP. Telling people they must only listen to people like you, is patently absurd. For instance, I take Suboxone for chronic pain management, as it doesn't get me high like the others, and I can live a normal life after I was severely injured. I know more than my doctor does about this medication, by most likely, orders of magnitude. He has never been able to answer when simple questions about it, or gives me wrong information, and has an MD in front of his name, and even specialized training to boot. I educate him more than he does me. I'm the one taking the shit, and all he has are anecdotal reports from other people. When I served in the military, I only had my EMT basic license. I trained doctors at one of the biggest army hospitals, Madigan Army Med Center on proper suture techniques. So, stop thinking the two letters in front of your name automatically mean anything. Last I checked, the attrition rate at med school now is almost non existent. Meaning once you get accepted, you might as well call yourself a doc, because the likelihood of half the class, or more failing out, like it used to be, isn't the way it is anymore. You basically bought the two letters, so congrats.
No one is belittling anyone, with the exception of you. This individual simply came to give information based on his experience, and with the expertise of someone who works in the field. You don't know what credentials they have, and are simply guessing. Could be a PA or something. Which in my experience, unless they are specialty docs, know more than md's and DO's, simply because of hands on experience.
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RubyOrchid13 9y ago
On the note of Suboxone, my story is about the same as everyone else. The doctors don't know shit about the stuff the prescribe half the time. That's why we see one doctor who will prescribe 2mg to a patient, and another doctor will give the same one 24mg. You just come off as having a chip on your shoulder, sorry.
wheresMYsteakAt 9y ago
Hun, let's be honest here. You got your degree in a lawless, 3rd world country and you are a female... You are like a shade better then if you were a Haitian doctor.
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redpillavatar 9y ago
What is actually quite dumb is a Doctor trying to do anything out of their specialty and acting like the Shit^TM when it comes to medical knowledge. You aren't an endocrinologist, you aren't board certified in Endocrinology, and you didn't do a fellowship in endocrinology. If you had, you would of mentioned it. You basically know as little about hormones than a number of STEM fields, and you may definitely know less than someone who has been on HRT.
Also, while you are on the point, it is fairly easy to become a doctor in many countries like Brazil as other systems lack rigor, discipline, and a science basis, or practicing medicine that is now deprecated. In some countries, a doctor has barely more than an undergraduate degree. This is why when they come to the US we make them repeat residency, if they can pass the US MLE 1,2,3 exams. The US MLE they then fail at disproportionately higher rates.
The point of the FAQ was to dispell some of the rumors of TRT and leave us better educated. That is hardly pushing a prescription down our throats, rubbing it into our wrists, or, into our glutes for that matter.
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wheresMYsteakAt 9y ago
Hate to break it to you, but the OP has the internet also.
Then put some bass in your voice when you talk. Wait a minute.....
Comes across as female.
From 3rd world country.
That is known for shemales.
Not sure if I want to take hormonal advice from you.
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grewapair 9y ago
Hair loss is much worse in your 60s and 70s. The GREAT NEWS about TRT is that, due to the expected increase in strokes, heart attacks, and other ridiculous, not worth it, health effects of TRT, it reduces the probability that you'll ever see your 70s, so the hair loss you would have seen had you lived to that age will NEVER OCCUR! This is just one of many fine benefits of TRT.
If you talk to one of the doctors who sell the stuff and make their living off it, A) they'll magically tell you you're low because, face it, if their income depends on it, you are low; and B) they'll also tell you about its wonderful benefits. If you talk to any other doctor or medical professional, they'll tell you you're out of your freaking mind for even thinking about it.
Honestly, OP's site is one of the best there is on red pill subjects if not THE best, but this recommendation is retarded. OP would do well to delete the subject from his site. If you have a severe deficiency, that's one thing, but almost no one does.
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what the fuck are you talking about and how the hell did it get upvoted.
I kept reading your post thinking you were actually using some advanced sarcasm but nah, just typical "I have absolutely no idea and no background to talk about this topic but it's the internet" horse crap.
reddit_sucks3 9y ago
Can you please provide a link to a scientific paper or journal outlining these increases in strokes heart attacks and other "not worth it" health effects?
RedIntrovert 9y ago
You didn't answer me yesterday, let's try again:
"RE: subfertility b/c TRT: Isn't that why you'd want to cycle off TRT, wait to recover (w/ PCT), impregnate, restart TRT?"
AnnaDrawl 9y ago
No. Just use HCG if you want to try to have kids.
redsailor365 9y ago
23 years old, about to turn 24. 519 ng/dl. Always had low libido, trouble with focus and discipline, sleep. Suppose I can't see improvement naturally, I've read that TRT before 25 isn't advisable because your brain is still developing, is this true?
SigmundRoidd 9y ago
There's still not many actual studies or research on this. I've spoke with a few endocrinologists and radiologists about this. In the simplest sense your HPTA is still in the process of rewiring itself from 18-25, however much of this is genetic and individual.
From a TRT standpoint, you won't notice any neurological issues, and since you'll be on for life, not many hormonal issues either (as long as your estrogen and test is dialed in). It's the people who cycle steroids who need to come off that experience issues if they start early. But again this is ALL individual, I have a friend who was on AAS for 5 years straight (blasting and cruising), wanted to get his wife pregnant so came off, natural levels came back to 800+ ngl. But that's also an anomaly.
The more you mess with your HPTA (take testosterone/steroids) the harder the chance for recovery, and the higher chance of hypogonadism. And from my own personal experience, a few cycle will permanently damage your HPTA where you will need to get on TRT (which is healthier than the ups and downs of doing PCT and cycling).
Obviously none of this applies to someone just looking for TRT. If I were you, I'd find a more progressive endocrinologist and explain to him your situation, and he/she will put you on TRT.
st3roids 9y ago
your too young , also one or two blood samples means nothing. I had a friend that had around 5.5 change his diet , ate a lot of good fast omega 3 and all , lost fat , use some hgc , start weight lift after few months he was at around 7,5 - 8.
1by1is3 9y ago
You are too young.
Watch this guy's youtube channel, he had a tumor in his brain which inhibited testosterone production to almost zero when he was a teen, but he brought himself up to normal levels without drugs.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTA1AuuXSVk0u2iXKHe2S3g
GAYBLACKMIDGETS 9y ago
you'll never get a presciption for trt with that high of a level.
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TheElite3740 9y ago
Doesn't work. I had low in the UK they don't care. Just increase through diet heavy lifts and other natural means
reddit_sucks3 9y ago
Why is this topic so controversial and people so passionate about this? There is a flood of stupid in this thread right now blathering about unproven health issues.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Yes I know, lots of morons. This is why I don't talk about it much on the forum. I'm going to do this FAQ, possibly another article in the future, and that's it. There's very little incentive for me to help people who are going to be bitchy, ignorant, fearmongering etc - which seems to be the case in reference to TRT.
Funnily enough, all the people bitching would probably be less bitchy if they jumped on TRT.
Needless to say, when it comes to this, most in the community are completely blue pilled and not open-minded whatsoever when it comes to the topic.
It's not dangerous whatsoever if you know what you're doing, but of course like ANYTHING in life, there is risk. You don't not do something because there's a risk element, especially if you're a man. Ignorant people think the risks are super high and know little of the innumerable benefits, so they talk a lot of rubbish.
reddit_sucks3 9y ago
I'm about to get on myself. Have been researching immensely and found this doctor, Rand Mcclain. He has a ton of videos I've been watching but he seems to be legit: https://www.youtube.com/results?q=rand+mcclain
aanarchist 9y ago
i've been curious on the subject myself and if it would be a good idea to try in my latter years so i don't become some decrepid old man. i know some of the older movie stars had taken growth hormone and things like that and sly's been filming like in his 60s looking damn good for a grandpa. if technology is there for our benefit i figure why not use it.
do_it_or_leave 9y ago
Great idea man. I have some questions for you.
We all know increased T will bring a lot of benefits. But are these benefits better than the drawbacks(like becoming dependant of the treatment or be left without any T and a limp dick)?
Does the benefits go beyond crazy libido and huge gains? The aggressiveness can be viewed as a benefit or drawback depending on the individual.
If i am functioning properly, is it worth to jump in just to optimize/accelerate my gains?
How much T should you aim if you start?
When i went to a endocrinologist he included several other exams to properly evaluate if my T was fine or not. Does these other common indicators mean something of our concern?
I did my research some time ago and concluded I might jump in later in my life (3-10y), after I get past my peak (25y atm), and get closer to my natural growth limit on the gym.
Thanks for the iniciative. you provide invaluable resources to this community.
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Can't find the FAQ on your site.
gear_and_loathing 9y ago
For those of you with low levels just on the edge of low-normal (~350ng) and your doctor won't prescribe you TRT, you can tank your levels easily with an anti-androgen drug called cyproterone acetate for 3-4 days before your bloodwork.
Don't bother with the "stay up all night and drink while doing excessive cardio". Just buy 2 pills from a MTF trannie on estrogen. They'll usually know what it is or at least could refer you to a back alley HRT dealer. Or you could order it from the internet. It's not FDA approved in the US, so you'll have to import it if you choose to go that route.
Worked for me, I went from 321ng to 160ng (felt like absolute dogshit) in 3 days from taking 10mg cyproterone acetate daily. It's just a temporary hit to your testosterone levels and they'll spring back up again in a week.
My copay is $6 every month. Worth it.
Oh, and another good tip is to go to your local mom & pop pharmacy and ask for a list of hormone prescribers in your area. I found a "wellness" clinic that takes insurance and went there. Better than an Endo or urologist and certainly better that a family GP.
TheRedWay 9y ago
What clarity do we have on the long term effects of TRT?
Do you recommend a healthy aging male go on this treatment? If so, do you have a general age breakdown of when it makes sense to use TRT?
How much of a difference can TRT make?
I did Andro for a little while when it was legal (Supposedly the same stuff Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa were using). That was some good stuff. How will TRT compare with that experience?
What is actually possible (has been observed by medical professionals overseeing treatment) with TRT and overcoming the aging process?
EDIT: What should one's goal be when requesting TRT? Another way of saying this is what will TRT do for a person that needs it?
tylerismarla 9y ago
In the uk is it worth going private with the extra expense and ball ache of getting a script or is self medicating on the black market just as viable??
firewelt 9y ago
the black market has some seriously bad stuff which cant be trusted for quality, you need to pay more for a quality product.
DarkRenaissance 9y ago
I am lifting, eating right(using glass containers etc.). However, levels will naturally go down after 40. Would it be a good idea to start TRT then?
hccps 9y ago
It's been a few years since I practiced medicine and, even still being fully licensed and having left my post in good esteem with research degrees and completed training, I find myself unequipped to offer wholesale advice on how to safely engage with hormone therapies, given the complications that are prone to arise, especially in terms of possible thrombosis and ischemic stroke, managing those risks, and monitoring oestrogen and lipid levels while self-treating. There are a whole host of issues.
The want to be a source of knowledge for men is commendable but the recent purview of Illimitable Men into recommending medical treatments in wakefulness-agents like Modafinil and TRT is somewhat questionable. My instinct was to withdraw paying subscription from the blog after that happened.
You write well about topics related to the Dark Triad - we have unparalleled analysis in that area. Would you consider containing yourself to that domain and sexual strategy?
Thanks
The0penBook 9y ago
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IllimitableMan 9y ago
Honestly, I don't consider having to monitor your blood work every few months a good reason not to want to improve your hormonal health. Monitoring blood work is really not that difficult, yes, some may have more problems than others with it eg: they can't get their hematocrit down no matter how frequently they have phlebotomies and thus TRT isn't an option for them, but they are the unlucky minority. Anyone in that situation would quit TRT.
Another one people like to over blow is the prostate cancer risk (which has been overstated and is barely a risk) - what do you do if your PSA gets too high? You stop TRT and it goes back down. Most men on TRT have no issue with their PSA, yet it's constantly brought up as a reason NOT TO do something that can lend immeasurable benefit to the life of the average man. This seems like disingenuous fear-based thinking and doesn't stand up to scrutiny when one does a cost-benefit analysis.
If you want to unsubscribe over this, that's your choice and you are free to do so and I will nonetheless be thankful for the support you gave up until that point. I've done one modafinil article, and will do one TRT FAQ in tandem with an online American men's health clinic. It's hardly a central focus of my literature, and I can't allow the community to dictate what I do and do not write due to their own apprehensions, lack of knowledge in an area, personal taste, or general reticence. As an adjunct, my modafinil article urged extreme caution and gave practical tips on minimising the risk of side-effects - far more than any other modafinil article on the internet has done.
We are an unorthodox community and should be willing to push the envelope as much as is safely possible. Fear of what could go wrong is not a sufficient reason not to do something, it's not a masculine value in my eyes to not do something due to potential risks, especially when the risks are overblown and the benefits are downplayed.
I've been on TRT with a primary care physician, and he did a terrible job despite being better trained in that area than most physicians (default practice in the UK is 1000mg/4ml testosterone undecanoate every 10-12 weeks, which is a horrible protocol that messes most men up). Simply reading a book by a top TRT doc, I now know more than most qualified medical physicians do when it comes to TRT.
That sounds absurd and pathetic, because it is, but not because I'm talking out of my ass, but because most physicians truly know little in this area, and are incapable or unconfident in administering and managing a regimen properly (as you admitted in relation to yourself). So often, TRT patients have to find an open-minded doctor that they can actually educate on the current literature in order to get an optimum protocol, assuming they simply do not give up on the medical profession and self-medicate out of frustration with said profession's incompetence.
I'm not prescribing regimens or playing doctor. I am fully aware I am not a doctor, but I do not believe one needs to be a doctor to understand this topic and answers questions in relation to it. I will also be linking book resources in the FAQ that people can read from and do their own independent research with before they come to any finalised decision.
I am simply answering questions about something people have a lot interest in, based upon my personal experience and research. I see nothing wrong with this. These men will be able to go and see a licensed physician and will be well equipped with the knowledge necessary to have the best experience with said physician, rather than blindly follow the medical profession, who are unfortunately not all that skilled or up to date when it comes to contemporary TRT practice.
Sadly, most physicians will mess your body up rather than optimise you due to their lack of knowledge, assuming they agree to a protocol at all which is all the more reason correct and current knowledge in this area should be propagated. There is a serious lack of physicians who know what they're doing when it comes to male hormonal health. This is why self-education in this area is paramount, and I think the constant dissuading and hysteria surrounding the topic is well-meant, but ultimately foolish.
I will press on.
uwotm891 9y ago
I've actually read studies that target prostate cancer as a result of a skewed t:e ratio with low test and high estrogen being the culprit. It would make sense since most men don't have prostrate troubles until they're older, and testosterone naturally lowers while estrogen gets higher with age. Although we can't be one hundred percent sure, I think we can scratch off prostrate problems as a side effect, given that estrogen is kept in range.
Redasshole 9y ago
I summed up your post :
I do what I want you don't dictate what I do
My article is better than all the other articles on the internet
It wouldn't be masculine to not write on a topic I'm not an expert on
I met one doc who was terrible
I read a book by a top doc so I know better that the docs you'll find anyway
I'm just answering people's questions
What I think would be best is that people should educate themselves in order to spot shitty docs but never take any decisions without consulting a top doctor. It's hard to find? Well I guess it's masculine to do hard things.
lurkingtacopiller 9y ago
I think you doing this is a good idea strictly because of the lack of knowledge of the majority of trained professionals. I've personally been tested 3 times and my T has been below 400 ng/dl each time (low 20s age) and each time the doctor tells me some shit like "fix your diet" (diet is fucking on point) or "exercise more" (in the gym 5 times a week and sub 12% body fat, I'm lean as fuck) and refuse to entertain the notion of even clomid.
I've read about TRT and hormone treatment for months and months and would love some more literature on it from someone who appears to be in an identical situation as myself and can clearly put words together nicely .
IllimitableMan 9y ago
400ng/dL in your early 20's is bad. Really bad. A lot of these endos are terrible and doing a real disservice to their patients. Get a 2nd opinion or pursue alternate routes.
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AnnaDrawl 9y ago
What about trenbolone replacement therapy?
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Lmao that was my first thought. Except for 700mg of Tren A has got my sleep all fucked.
Temptationn 9y ago
On a serious not I was thinking of readding tren to my cruise at 100mg. It's been 3 months since I'm off tren yes some hair is gone but not feeling like a god kills me lolol. with that being said people have cruised at 100mg tren with great success
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TheEagleAndTheSnake 9y ago
Amateur questions. 1) How do you maximalise your T levels naturally? 2) What range should your T & free T be in to consider TRT over natural enhancement? 3) How often do you have to inject (is there another way to get it in your body)? 4) Is there a definite amount of years (or decades) I will die in if I go on TRT? Example: I go on TRT at 40. Will it prevent me from living to 80 (considering I would die of natural causes, no accident or fatal illness)? 5) Have you personally encountered any side-effects? If so, what were they? 6) My basic understanding of hormones is that they function in balanced pairs. If this statement is not wrong, what happens to your levels of oestrogen & other hormones after starting TRT? 7) If you start, what happens if you stop? 8) What was the highest level of your T & free T on TRT? Thank you for your time.
TheElite3740 9y ago
Your UK bound like me. Can any private companies here do TRT? Bupa etc etc, I know the NHS doesn't.
Trying to avoid needles and use oral tablets I know they're toxic to liver long term. Thoughts on clomid and testosterone gels you can apply
firewelt 9y ago
i am with bupa and i saw a doctor who did put me on a testgel which i get here:
http://www.lloydspharmacy.com/en/testogel-50mg-gel-sachets
its made a wonderful difference for me but nobody i know got an nhs doctor to put them on testgel.
[deleted] 9y ago
Ain't worth it unless your pinning m8
Chinny4daWinny 9y ago
I'm 20 years old and while I've had no problems weightlifting, some days I'm unable to get hard and other days I can stay hard for 3 rounds.
As of recently this hasn't been an issue, but I'm not sure if this is a sign I should get my T Levels checked.
Should I get them checked, and if so, where can I do it in The states
[deleted] 9y ago
You should probably not jack off. I find that I get strong erections after abstaining for two weeks, or not masterbating as much.
I don't know if you do, but fapping probably affects your erections.
Chinny4daWinny 9y ago
I've stopped jacking off and I have Sex daily. The days I have it more than twice I find it difficult to get I up the next day at least until I have a lot of foreplay.
That's just the side effects of heavy lifting and frequent sex right? Only reason I'm worried is because in high school while I was going through puberty I could beat my meat 4-6 times a day (often within a few hours) and do it the next day, and then the next but it seems like I've lost that stamina.
[deleted] 9y ago
That's how most men are. When you have sex two or three times, you are gonna find it hard to get aroused the next day. That's pretty normal. Good for you having sex everyday. Heavy lifting usually helps with erections because it increases testosterone and getting the blood flowing.
You have to consider that your hormones in high school are gonna be a lot different than your 20s, 30s or later.
Chinny4daWinny 9y ago
Thank you so much for your responses. Reading FRs where people say things like "we fucked like rabbits all weekend" had me assuming that going for 3 rounds on a daily basis should be normal around my age.
[deleted] 9y ago
I have had nights in the past where I have had sex multiple times and it's harder to get aroused. Reason being is that you aren't as horny. It's why your orgasm will be a lot stronger when you went without sex or a release in two weeks, versus three days.
It is possible though, but definitely not the norm and you won't ejaculate as much each time, the more rounds it happens.
Chinny4daWinny 9y ago
So if I'm barely cumming but still orgasming, should I take a break? Or just keep at it. Talking about the once or twice a day
[deleted] 9y ago
Nothing wrong with skipping a day. Taking a break will help. Is this your girlfriend? No way a man has sex with his wife everyday. Lol
Chinny4daWinny 9y ago
Yeah it's my girlfriend. We're studying abroad together at the moment and we have a lot of free time between exploring and classes
st3roids 9y ago
K since i am on trt and in general steroids i ll say couple of things.
1 ) forget it in young age , there other ways to increase your testosterone naturally or with hgc , unless you have a severe case which is very rare. Most of the times is diet , eating too many estrogenic foods , been fat and lazy , not exercising and such .
2) by trt we mean slow ester testosterones like enanthate best been the Testosterone undecanoate. Nebido is one of the best one injection every few weeks and your set.
We also mean low doses of testosterone , since an average male produces around 70mg a week , 150 mg a week is sufficient. Again this isnt for bodybuilding purposes.
3) Monitoring your estradiol is to be expected , if high the use of aromatase inhibitors is in need.
trt isnt only about the body. Low testosterone is associated with obesity , diabetes , alzheimer's , depression , low libido low energy , avertion of risk taking and many more.
yomo86 9y ago
My T-levels are ok for my age and I am feeling still hungry for life. Which leads me to my question which age is the 'perfect' age to start replacement therapy?
throw17453 9y ago
Not too long ago I thought I might need this, although lucked out, and now levels are high naturally. Few questions
Does TRT not shut down the HPT Axis - or at least significantly lower LH and FSH. And therefore cause you to become dependant on it?
I've heard most methods, with the exception of injection, can have disappointing // low results. Which method is most effective, in terms of both health, and raising levels?
Fertility - As I understand, goes or is lowered, and may require hCG to maintain.
st3roids 9y ago
10 depends of doses , age and you self. Some guys shut down with low doses like 150mg a week others dont shut down with 300 mg. Usually you shut down after few weeks completely. But to start trt means you have very low testosterone anyway
2) injections are the best , for trt best testosterone are the nebido aka very slow ester , you do 1 shot every 5-6 weeks.
Low testostoren and low fertility go together , you dont go into trt if low fertility you just do hgc
4) not if you start hgc inside trt you wont but again trt means you wont ever need to go off testosterone shots thus you need to be older
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