Oh, no. It appears you've underestimated your own beauty. Oh, oh wait. Now you've overestimated it. That's no good. Oh, you've underestimated it again. Overestimated. Okay, now you've got it. Oh, back to underestimation again. Over. Under. Goodness, this is difficult. And it's very important your impression of your own beauty is really spot-on, don't forget. It's important to listen to people when they tell you how important that is. Well, maybe it's not that important, but you definitely wouldn't want to underestimate it. Or overestimate it. But you might be, so careful. Caaaareful.
This behaviour is greatly enabled by websites like Facebook. Slightly above average looking girl uploads a picture, and bang! 5 seconds later, 20 likes. 10 minutes later, another 80. And this happens for every other picture they upload.
There are fat girls putting pictures of themselves on their page, and their friends enabling their fatness by telling them how wonderful they look.
Over. Under. Over. Under. Over. Over. Repeat. You have ugly girls and pretty girls both getting their daily dosage of validation online, and to them, that means they have a licence to be bitches.
Rather surprisingly, I've seen some men like that too. But in my (limited) experience, it's a mostly female phenomenon.
"Dove recruited seven women of different ages and backgrounds and had FBI-trained forensic artist Gil Zamora create composite sketches of them based on descriptions of their own facial features. In the above video, produced for the campaign, you can hear the women use phrases like "my mom told me I had a big jaw," "I kind of have a fat, rounder face," "I'd say I have a pretty big forehead."
This doesn't upset me, sorry guys. If women have OVERLY negative self image, and Dove wants to help them out, why not?
The problem is that current American society has taught women to overvalue themselves and their beauty. If you go outside of the US you will see much thinner, more attractive women who are also humble. American women on average are obese, manly and quite arrogant. Stuff like this contributes.
As do circling betas and their other (sometimes ugly) friends. You so pretty, I love that dress. You have such good taste. OMG, this is such a cute picture. The lighting doesn't do you justice! bla bla bla.
I live in a developing country that's quite, quite far from America (think two flights at least) and I see that here. The women aren't all that good looking (though there are exceptions, especially the expats) in general, and most are stuck up.
If you go to the villages, they're less stuck up and more naive and conservative, but with this place being so small, and attractive women being low in number, the odds aren't in your favour. And the place being small works both ways, I guess. The only way to know for sure is to do some number crunching, haha.
But I digress. It's not just a first world thing, unfortunately. Maybe it's because the influence American (pop?) culture has on the world has kept on increasing over the years. In the 90s and early 00s, many here watched shows like Friends, Seinfeld, 90210, and The Simpsons. These days, everyone with an internet connection watches the stupid CW shows. Before that, lots of people started getting satellite TV.
Women being encouraged to think they're more beautiful than they are happens here too.
What this article claims and the intended effect of the article are different. This article claims many women have self esteem issues. What the article is trying to do is boost up women's confidence. "Even if you think you are ugly, you are actually beautiful".
This is an American cultural behavior to tell women that they are beautful "no matter what they say".. My experience has shown that in other countries they call a spade a spade. If a woman is obese and ugly she is shamed the same way a man is shamed if he is unproductive and a "loser".
This type of cultural zeitgeist tell women that if they are obese, it's ok and they still deserve to "have it all". This is why so many men are frustrated about finding a decent girl in the US.
Humble means the same thing in this context as it does in any context. www.dictionary.com
Of course they are people. But I think you understand we all occupy different levels of the social strata. Outside the US it seems obese women understand that they would be better off losing weight than trying to gain fat acceptance.
exactly. That's basically my point. Being fat isn't attractive so I'm not going to pretend and I don't like the idea of corporations trying to persuade men that being overweight is sexy and beautiful. It's like Orwellian newspeak that is making the word beautiful meaningless.
"I don’t know when did fat became a disease where people feel bad for you. I’m watching Jerry Springer have a 1,000 pound man on… People in the audience, crying, “Oh my God. He’s a 1,000 pounds. What happened?” He ate. You don’t catch 1,000 pounds. Nobody stick you with a dirty needle and give you a 1,000 pounds. You eat." - Patrice O'Neal
[deleted] 12y ago
I ran into this headline:
Why Dove’s “Real Beauty Sketches” Video Makes Me Uncomfortable… and Kind of Makes Me Angry
But no... no... that's not why this and all the other Dove propaganda has made me uncomfortable and angry. No.
yougottawanna 12y ago
"...Axe, king of misogynistic ads that use headless breasts and "flirty girls" to hawk its products..."
Thanks HP, you just made me a lifelong Axe customer.
[deleted] 12y ago
You keep using that word, feminists. I don't think it means what you think it means.
[deleted] 12y ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNNimxeYeV0
I think the Axe commercials are actually pretty interesting.
[deleted] 12y ago
I find them all quite annoying. But that's just me.
redpillspeeddate 12y ago
Oh, no. It appears you've underestimated your own beauty. Oh, oh wait. Now you've overestimated it. That's no good. Oh, you've underestimated it again. Overestimated. Okay, now you've got it. Oh, back to underestimation again. Over. Under. Goodness, this is difficult. And it's very important your impression of your own beauty is really spot-on, don't forget. It's important to listen to people when they tell you how important that is. Well, maybe it's not that important, but you definitely wouldn't want to underestimate it. Or overestimate it. But you might be, so careful. Caaaareful.
[deleted] 12y ago
This behaviour is greatly enabled by websites like Facebook. Slightly above average looking girl uploads a picture, and bang! 5 seconds later, 20 likes. 10 minutes later, another 80. And this happens for every other picture they upload.
There are fat girls putting pictures of themselves on their page, and their friends enabling their fatness by telling them how wonderful they look.
Over. Under. Over. Under. Over. Over. Repeat. You have ugly girls and pretty girls both getting their daily dosage of validation online, and to them, that means they have a licence to be bitches.
Rather surprisingly, I've seen some men like that too. But in my (limited) experience, it's a mostly female phenomenon.
why_downvote_facts 12y ago
"Dove recruited seven women of different ages and backgrounds and had FBI-trained forensic artist Gil Zamora create composite sketches of them based on descriptions of their own facial features. In the above video, produced for the campaign, you can hear the women use phrases like "my mom told me I had a big jaw," "I kind of have a fat, rounder face," "I'd say I have a pretty big forehead."
This doesn't upset me, sorry guys. If women have OVERLY negative self image, and Dove wants to help them out, why not?
Crackertron 12y ago
If that's their problem, how is a Unilever commercial going to help?
why_downvote_facts 12y ago
beats me, but awareness can't hurt
i don't get the problem here at all, frankly
redditalias7 12y ago
The problem is that current American society has taught women to overvalue themselves and their beauty. If you go outside of the US you will see much thinner, more attractive women who are also humble. American women on average are obese, manly and quite arrogant. Stuff like this contributes.
[deleted] 12y ago
As do circling betas and their other (sometimes ugly) friends. You so pretty, I love that dress. You have such good taste. OMG, this is such a cute picture. The lighting doesn't do you justice! bla bla bla.
I live in a developing country that's quite, quite far from America (think two flights at least) and I see that here. The women aren't all that good looking (though there are exceptions, especially the expats) in general, and most are stuck up.
If you go to the villages, they're less stuck up and more naive and conservative, but with this place being so small, and attractive women being low in number, the odds aren't in your favour. And the place being small works both ways, I guess. The only way to know for sure is to do some number crunching, haha.
But I digress. It's not just a first world thing, unfortunately. Maybe it's because the influence American (pop?) culture has on the world has kept on increasing over the years. In the 90s and early 00s, many here watched shows like Friends, Seinfeld, 90210, and The Simpsons. These days, everyone with an internet connection watches the stupid CW shows. Before that, lots of people started getting satellite TV.
Women being encouraged to think they're more beautiful than they are happens here too.
why_downvote_facts 12y ago
your point is basically the complete opposite of the article, which seems to be based on something besides 'hot air'
btw WTF does 'humble' mean in this context?
redditalias7 12y ago
What this article claims and the intended effect of the article are different. This article claims many women have self esteem issues. What the article is trying to do is boost up women's confidence. "Even if you think you are ugly, you are actually beautiful".
This is an American cultural behavior to tell women that they are beautful "no matter what they say".. My experience has shown that in other countries they call a spade a spade. If a woman is obese and ugly she is shamed the same way a man is shamed if he is unproductive and a "loser".
This type of cultural zeitgeist tell women that if they are obese, it's ok and they still deserve to "have it all". This is why so many men are frustrated about finding a decent girl in the US.
Humble means the same thing in this context as it does in any context. www.dictionary.com
why_downvote_facts 12y ago
I live in another country. Some of my girl friends are fat.
Somehow we still manage to accept them as people with out excessive 'shaming'.
edit: you might have a point about this being addressed to all women, but, I think it's a bit pedantic
redditalias7 12y ago
Of course they are people. But I think you understand we all occupy different levels of the social strata. Outside the US it seems obese women understand that they would be better off losing weight than trying to gain fat acceptance.
why_downvote_facts 12y ago
yea fat acceptance is a pretty weird concept, i mean, i guess if you wanna be fat that's cool but i'm not going to be very attracted to you
redditalias7 12y ago
exactly. That's basically my point. Being fat isn't attractive so I'm not going to pretend and I don't like the idea of corporations trying to persuade men that being overweight is sexy and beautiful. It's like Orwellian newspeak that is making the word beautiful meaningless.
[deleted] 12y ago
"I don’t know when did fat became a disease where people feel bad for you. I’m watching Jerry Springer have a 1,000 pound man on… People in the audience, crying, “Oh my God. He’s a 1,000 pounds. What happened?” He ate. You don’t catch 1,000 pounds. Nobody stick you with a dirty needle and give you a 1,000 pounds. You eat." - Patrice O'Neal
Just thought I'd put this here. (hahaha)