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I feel that way too, but i have a tough time understanding why i get turned off by these type of women. I mean ya i'd still fuck them but i certainly dont want to wife her up. I'd also kind of be disgusted by her and lose respect for her...

Me personally i think maybe it has to do with

A) My lack of experience with women, being a beta all my life makes me jealous and angry that girls are willing to give it up so easily.

B) Because girls have an easier time getting sex... They basically can get it whenever they want, and therefore it has no value, where as a guy actually has to work for it. Hell even the ugly fat girl has tons of sex and acted out tons of her fantasies (orgy/etc... and acts like shes hot shit because she gets fucked), while the average looking guy might be lucky just to get a girlfriend.

C) Sluts dont fuck me... :(

D) I dont want to wife that bitch because she is probably more likely to cheat.

but seriously, i want to know what you guys think. Why do i feel this way, what are the other reasons why girls are sluts when they ride that cock carousel.

The question was inspired after reading: http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1bheuq/poor_guy_finds_out_his_fiancee_rode_the_cock/

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VZPurp 12y ago

My impression is that such women are incapable of pair bonding. Only seem likely to try to ring a beta for provisions. Why take a risk (committed LTR)?

It's one thing to have hang ups about sex, but on the other hand it's completely reasonable to assess a girl's sexual history if you want a monogamous relationship or marriage (don't marry).

theubercuber 12y ago

I think this is the main issue. When you spend the first several years of your youth with such constant overstimulation and satisfaction whenever you want it, and exhibit no self-control or long term planning, that fundamentally changes your transition into adulthood.

I don't think girls that spend a decade having tons of sex with the hottest alpha-est guys they can find are capable of being good wifes/mothers.

thedarkerside 12y ago

I don't think girls that spend a decade having tons of sex with the hottest alpha-est guys they can find are capable of being good wifes/mothers.

Why not? I am not sure how old you are, but most guys throughout their 20s tend to fuck around a lot too, then in their 30s, as hormone levels start falling off it becomes less of a day to day thing.

You have to look at this from a biological / evolutionary perspective: We are supposed to fuck each other silly while we're young, once you're going past 30 biology pretty much says the fuck times are over, you should have spawned by now. This was the case pretty much until very very recently (~50 or so years) and our biology clearly hasn't caught up wit societal changes.

I mean, think back, do you still enjoy all the same things you did 10 years ago? Or have your ideas / wishes / priorities changed?

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theubercuber 12y ago

most guys throughout their 20s tend to fuck around a lot too

False. Most ALPHA guys do this. The average American guy in his 20's right now has trouble getting laid more than ever.

If you want to bring biology into this, we are not meant to start raising a family in our 30's. That is a completely outlandish argument. Evolutionarily women are geared for having kids by 20. That's why we start deteriorating in our 30's, as we are past our physical and sexual primes.

But the point I am bringing up is constant overstimulation. Imagine two people - one of them is fed whatever they want - ice cream and candy every day, expensive restaurants... and the other is fed oatmeal and grits. Then you tell both of them you are switching them to a typical american diet of cheap meats, vegetables, cereal... Can you try to picture what each one will think of that?

thedarkerside 12y ago

False. Most ALPHA guys do this. The average American guy in his 20's right now has trouble getting laid more than ever.

That may be the case (I am far out of my 20s), but that a societal, not a biological problem.

If you want to bring biology into this, we are not meant to start raising a family in our 30's. That is a completely outlandish argument. Evolutionarily women are geared for having kids by 20. That's why we start deteriorating in our 30's, as we are past our physical and sexual primes.

That was actually the point I was trying to make.

Then you tell both of them you are switching them to a typical american diet of cheap meats, vegetables, cereal... Can you try to picture what each one will think of that?

Here's my problem with this argument, and the study that many people put out there: It is ONE data point and from there you try to predict the outcome.

Having said that: I am not going to argue that the way society is framing sex, relationships and accomplishments does not have an effect, but the analysis I think is seriously lacking in data to back up the assertion.

I can give two counter data points:

A woman I knew from highschool never had a boyfriend / sex until her early 20s. The first guy she ended up with she got married to. 10 years and 3 kids later she got a divorce because she wanted out.
Another woman met in my 20s was basically fucking everything and everyone that wasn't up on a tree by the count of three and at times she would try and drag them down from the tree. When she turned 30 her priorities changed, she picked the guys more careful, ended up getting married and shortly after popping one out and has now been married for more than a decade, even had a second one.

Point here: You're looking for a simple causation when the underlying dynamics are much much more complicated. So saying: She fucks a lot of guys, so don't marry her, is too simplistic in my book.

Of course that doesn't mean the male brain still doesn't like women that fuck a lot of other guys, but this rationalization between cause and effect seems to lack a whole lot of other data points and is way too simple a model for me.

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roe_ 12y ago

I'd like to see that. I'm assuming it's different from this:

http://socialpathology.blogspot.ca/2012/03/promiscuity-data-guest-post.html

(There is a greater risk of divorce, the more partners she's had, but we don't know why)

telnet_reddit_80 12y ago

(There is a greater risk of divorce, the more partners she's had, but we don't know why)

It doesn't matter why. Causal or selective, the point is that they're not relationship material.

roe_ 12y ago

I have a suspicion that it's deeply hard-wired in the male brain.

On one level, why should you invest in her with pair-bonding and the effort and energy to raise her kids, if she didn't ask for that from the guys before you?

On another, it's perceived as a red-flag for likely future infidelity, which stands to reason (past actions being a good predictor of future actions and all).

telnet_reddit_80 12y ago

Ask Red PillWhy are women you rode the cock carousel viewed as sluts/skanks or in a negative light (ie not relationship material)?

Because, quite directly, they're just not relationship material.

[deleted] 12y ago

Adding to what has already been said... it's more of an achievement locking down a classy girl than an easy one, so i guess it's an ego thing too.

thedarkerside 12y ago

From a male perspective?

Because you could not be certain that if you are with her she won't do it again AND if she gets pregnant you would wonder if it's yours or just someone else's.

Men, in contrast, don't have that problem, because we don't have to keep them in us for nine months and then pop them out, by the time that happens we could be over two more mountain ranges.

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biology. you are hard wired to seek out the most fertile mother for your child. the more men a woman has been with, the more your hind-brain is aware that she's not as good of an investment as the mother of your children for a variety of reasons. also, most importantly, your hind-brain knows damn well that if she gets pregnant, you can't be sure if it's actually yours if she has a habit of sleeping with tons of dudes. as much as they want to deny it, sluts are a shittier investment for passing on your genes. i, for one, am not ashamed of my mating instincts, and to fight or deny them is to be unhappy.

in the modern part of your brain, it's because you know damn well that those women probably aren't able to just drop their sexual validation-seeking lifestyle and love one man. they are more likely to cheat and leave you for a bigger, badder dick once they get bored after a few years of not receiving that sweet sexual validation from tons of randoms like they used to. also, you know that they have a fat incentive to divorce you thanks to divorce laws and court bias in favor of women, so what's stopping them from going back to the cock carousel? "love"? beware that naivete.

Whisper 12y ago

Things to understand:

Every woman rides the penis train. Even if she gets off at the first stop.
Women get off the penis train when they find the best station they think they can.
They think the station is the best they can get for one of two reasons. Either they have found someone whose SMV represents the best they think they could ever do, or their womb is nearing its sell-by date, and they are having to settle.
This means that a woman with a more realistic idea of her SMV tends to exit the penis train sooner, and after fewer stops.
This also means that a woman with a higher SMV tends to exit the penis train sooner, and after fewer stops.

Conclusion: Riding the cock train for a long time is not so much a reducer of SMV, as it is a symptom of being a bad catch.

r_rships_account 12y ago

Insightful.

Dizzeee 12y ago

Women think they can ride the cock-carousel during their 20's and ignore it after when they are in their 30's and get married like nothing happened. No one wants to wife a chick who's had 1000 dicks in her.

[deleted] 12y ago

George did a great write-up on this by collecting the best sources from the manosphere. Here it is. https://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/manosphere-virginity/

[deleted] 12y ago

A woman's only intrinsic value is her ability to reproduce, and when she disrespects her body it is not attractive. When you find out a woman is a slut you instinctively lose respect for her even though you still want to fuck her brains out.

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LinkFixerBot 12y ago

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[deleted] 12y ago

Usually because a great lay is all they bring to the table.

thecajunone 12y ago

I think it's because we tend to associate a girl who has had lots of sex as extra promiscuous and possibly untrustworthy. This is not necessarily true in my opinion and I believe it's a side effect from the media's perception of what a woman should be.

[deleted] 12y ago

It's the same reason I haven't become a pornstar yet myself, I want to have kids someday and I don't want to tell little Jimmy or Sarah that mommy and daddy were prostitutes.

Who knows, maybe we just need to get adjusted to the idea that sex is completely meaningless? Like a handshake.

rickaboy 12y ago

I think men who are insecure within themselves have an issue with this.

[deleted] 12y ago

Why?

rickaboy 12y ago

First up, no-one in my opinion has really given a solid, convincing answer to this question.

Second, OP himself gave reasons (which I resonate with) that indicate it's because he himself is inexperienced and girls don't like him.

Third, one of the posters above said he's insecure about his girl fantasising about her prior lovers while with him.

[deleted] 12y ago

Because if you are a stable guy, it is hard to match your girls alpha conquests.

Also, people gave you studies, what more do you want?

Let me ask you: Deep inside (no pun intended), do you really find a girl who has fucked 500 guys the same as a girl that has slept with 0 to 1?

rickaboy 12y ago

Personally, I don't.. But then I have a lot of insecurities around this.

I imagine an alpha wouldn't care how many guys his girl had been with because he knows he's better then them anyway.

[deleted] 12y ago

An alpha looking to score or an alpha looking to build a long term relationship?

[deleted] 12y ago

I'll put it this way. I'm a dude, and if I were to get married, I'd want my wife to look up to and respect me. How can I feel secure that she will if every time we have sex, she's thinking about Joe who had a bigger dick than me and fucked her like a monster, Steve the Men's Health fitness model, Bill the Millionaire, James the artist with the piercing soulful eyes and great hair, or the biker who banged her in a bathroom within 5 minutes of meeting her, because he was a man who knew what he wanted and wasn't afraid to ask. She'll begin to miss those things, and when another Steve or Bill comes along, who's to say she won't decide to have a little fun...

[deleted] 12y ago

I do agree with the other guys, this is just another bit of food for thought.

mutualaid 12y ago

Isnt it pretty beta to be insecure about that?

[deleted] 12y ago

It is pretty beta, yes. The majority of men are indeed betas. But it's not untrue that if you wife up a chick with a very high partner count, there is bound to be at least one guy who outshone you in many aspects, and many more who outshone you in others. If I get married, I'd want to marry a woman who was proud to be my wife, and didn't feel like she was settling.