So this girl I have had sex with a few times had been really adamant about me needing to do "something" for her birthday, which was a few days ago. I really honestly did want to do something nice for her, but I just forgot all about it.
A day after her birthday she texts me: "so you couldn't even say happy birthday huh????". I did not know what to text back so I just did not respond. She called an hour later and was very whiny about the whole thing. In a moment of unplanned frustration I told her that I think she is a really whiny person in general and that I do not find that attractive.
Well, to my surprise, she started apologizing and asked me if she could come over - she would cook something nice and make it up to me. Of course I did get a pretty nice making up :):)
But it is such a surreal feeling. Old blue pill me would never in a million years have thought that such a thing was possible. For me to screw up and then have the girl apologize and be all nice afterwards. Wtf?
So I would say the key take-away for me is not letting her emotions and words cause you to react. Be solid when she tries to break into your frame - not sure how solid my frame is, but it is getting there!.
Back to lifting, and reading.

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Awesome job OP sounds like youre mixing your possible natural alpha instincts with stuff you've learned on here if i had to take a guess.. Fuck that ho. Quite honestly I take this approach, the most important woman in my life is my mother. The rest of these so called human female creatures aren't really worth anything to me. So fuck some bitches birthday. If a girl ever makes it abundantly clear she wants to be my wife at some point, sure shes important to. And her birthday will matter to me for the most part.
This is a bit off topic but the other day I was thinking to myself why do i like this certain blonde bimbo whore so much, and I still dont know why. However I figured the best solution is to probably for nme to probably just get a girlfriend. Because I realized that some guy could be and probably cumming on her face, and fucking her until she really hurts, possibly fucking up her muscular abomination ass. Thought about how she probably isn't a rookie and has sucked on many dicks, and may have had a few trains ran on her. Thats when I realized that `she has no value and honestly is probably a dirty dolled up 29 or 30 year old hispanic whore at best, and thats me being nice to her. Shes never done anything for me, hasn't talked o me, has never approached me, has never given me money, and doesnt seem like she would be down to be my sugar mama. Therefore she deserves no respect form me, and I should value as much as I would pig shit. Realized shes not even worth put fourth any effort at all, and I should find a girl who actually likes me more than a little bit and maybe fits me a little better and will help me.
Fuck doing anything nice for her OP. Has she done anything nice for you? If a girl legit spends money or offers to spend money on on you thats probably top notch wife now material.
tranx19 9y ago
LOL. You know what, I also sometimes just catch myself looking at a hot chick passing by and after minutes of thought conclude she's been sucking strange dicks since she was 18 and is not worth any special treatment. Fuck her.
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Exactly. More than likely someone has already pissed and bummed all over that "special little snowkflake." Sometimes I see these suckers kissing their girlfriends or whatevers and Im like this fucking guyis nothing more than a second hand cocksucker. Guys need to realize that the girl that is a super bad bitch has more than likely had her pussy absolutely massacred by someone. Shit her own step-dad could've tore that ass up. You just never know. I saw a really pretty girl, and although she kept looking at me I was like meh if she comes to me and talks to me, ill put in some effort. Because besides that phat ass, and those goddess thighs she has, what makes her so special? You really have to approach it that way to be quite honest. If a girl is willing to spend money on me, then yeah I know she really likes me.
Most girls are going to know you are only approaching them because at some point you are going to want sex from the her. If she likes you she will let you put your cock in her sooner rather than later. At least thats my thought process. Thats why all these supposed shit tests and whatever the fuck else. I have no idea why a girl would do that, if she supposedly likes me so much. I would rather be with a girl who is super fucking crazy and has mental issues than a bitch who is going to perform her little shit tests on me.
HumanSockPuppet Vanguard 9y ago
That's just it. You didn't "screw up". Getting apologetic would have been a screw up.
You demonstrated that you have more important things in your life to deal with than her pettiness. And if she wants to continue benefitting from your guidance, she'd best learn to show you some respect.
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Dread game, of course. He who cares less, who is less invested, holds the true power in relationship. It just gets unhealthy in the long run, when overused.
Heizenbrg 9y ago
Exactly this, long run dread is tricky, if you stay less invested she will to
brinkleybuzz 9y ago
2/3 dread + 1/3 comfort seems to work.
polakfury 9y ago
What kind of things do you do personally do show dread along with comfort ?
textualintercourse 9y ago
This.
LTR 38(m) gf 25, when she gets set off in some jealous fit, I literally don't care.
Hour or so later, after she calms down, she's apologizing and doing what she can to make up for it.
Me: "Be with me because it's something you want. If you don't like it, the door is always open."
GF: "God, you act like I'm just a placeholder! Any girl can do what I do!11!? You'll just go back to fucking sluts!"
Me: "I do enjoy our time, but if you leave, out of the 3.5 billion women? Of course there are more than a couple hundred thousand that are similar with traits I like."
I have no time or care for nonsense. Only about five "fights" in a year and four months together. The rest of the time is legitimately awesome. But I don't have oneitis and she very well knows it, and I really care less that she does. She is free to leave any time, but never free to come back.
spazgamz 9y ago
Self centered. Not fatherly. Wouldn't be said to a child, for example. She apologized. You reignited the argument. Best to stay silent. When it's time to speak, frame statements out of concern for her well being.
Also, don't give her the option to leave. Be indifferent without yeilding control. Silence works wonders.
Don't make argumentative jabs. If you can't keep your mouth shut, do the next best thing and be vague. The following statement communicates esentially the same thing but 1) shows concern for her, 2) doesn't yeild control, and 3) is vague.
"I'm concerned you're not happy. Pehaps the time has come for us to redefine the nature of our relationship."
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Dread game is designed with the LTR in mind. However there is a difference between active dread and passive dread. OP is issuing active dread by calling out her whining. Passive dread (unintentionally) by ignoring her birthday.
The passive dread caused an emotional response in this case a comfort test. (her phone call and whining)
He passed the comfort test by Deflecting and withdrawing. This causing the threat of loss. Since she is invested a positive reaction was the result of a fear of losing everything.
What /u/wallpunchist is eluding to is repetitive use of this tactic will not yield the same results and will have diminishing returns. So he advises caution in exercising this as your standard MO.
SuperStringMode 9y ago
i think you might have mistaken shit test for comfort test. You don't pass a comfort test by withdrawing and deflecting. You pass it by actually giving her comfort, or a sense of security. It's the pull of the push/pull dynamic.
This was clearly a shit test where she was trying to pull him into her frame. But when he held his ground, she was the one that cracked instead.
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Auvergnat 9y ago
"Frame" and the act of controlling it are difficult to define but clear to see in practice. Here's a perfect example. People can judge whether forgetting her birthday was good or bad and discuss at lengths whether not answering her text was good or bad, but in practice you just demonstrated to her that you own your actions and that speaks volumes directly to her 'gina, bypassing her frontal cortex.
In my experience, there's no better pussy moistener in an LTR than remaining unphased and owning your actions after a drama broke out. There's a reason why "makeup sex" is the best sex.
FrameWalker 9y ago
Very very true. In my experience when you double down, especially if youre in the wrong you win.
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speak_ur_mind 9y ago
He did not own his actions. He simply refused to acknowledge them and guilt tripped her for speaking up. I don't understand why pussy behavior is rewarded on TRP. OP needs to grow up. I don't give a shit if this gets downvoted.
Edit: Forgetting someone's birthday is shitty.
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he had sex with her twice or something. probably knew her for like 2-3 weeks. he's not in a relationship with her. its entirely unreasonable to care about a girl's bday if you just fucked 2 times and aren't in a serious LTR. she is being an entitled bitch. she probably has 12 other guys she is currently banging show she all demands make a big deal out of her stupid birthday. she is practically still a fucking stranger to him. would you demand that a girl you've known for a month and you've fucked maybe 3 times, care about your birthday and do something special for you? i wouldn't.
speak_ur_mind 9y ago
No mention of how long he knew her.
Assumptions. Assumptions.
They are having sex. They are not strangers. What tf is wrong with our generation? You just fuck people and don't give a shit about humanity? WOW.
Wishing someone happy birthday isn't going above and beyond. It is basic decency that this guy lacks. I have no interest in discussing this dude or fantasy theories about how she is sleeping with a dozens of guys. Grow up and get real.
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he said he fucked 2 or 3 times. that is in no way shape or form a relationship where you have an obligation to do anything for her birthday. she wanted him to do "something special", which IS going above and beyond. way above. if he texted her happy birthday, then she would get pissed saying "why didnt you get me a present or do anything for me??". so he'd still have to pass that shit test regardless.
speak_ur_mind 9y ago
He said he forgot to wish her entirely.
You wish people you are not even having sex with. People forget birthdays. It happens. But to make her apologise is kind of immature.
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VasiliyZaitzev Senior Endorsed 9y ago
I think the only thing I would do differently is say right there: "I didn't want to remind you that you were getting older"
Beyond that, nice recovery.
our_guile 9y ago
That shiv should wound deeply, well said.
Need_vagina_pix_nao 9y ago
My favorite line similar to that is from Clint Eastwood's movie Heartbreak Ridge where he tells his ex-wife "That's not very dignified for a mature woman". Works like a charm to get them where it itches.
mk262 9y ago
It's unattractive when you xyz
vagbutters 9y ago
The one thing that hurts every woman in existence is the realization that she's getting older while younger, more attractive women in their sexual prime have more options than she will for the rest of her life.
This is why, if you have an ounce of game and take care of your body as a guy, you can age like wine while fucking young women left and right.
VasiliyZaitzev Senior Endorsed 9y ago
"Old age is a woman's hell." -- Ninon de L'Enclos
"Men age like wine; women age like milk." -- an anonymous, but very wise man.
Hell, I'm not even aging all that well, and I'm pounding hotties. I am the poster boy for "Good Game Trumps All".
Casanova-Quinn 9y ago
”Pussy gets old like bread, not like wine.“ —Patrice O'Neal
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Our sidebar has long, well-written essays about intergender relationships and evo-psychology from some truly brilliant men.
Then there is this little mini FR where a man shares an experience and makes an observation that takes TRP back to its roots.
Men shooting the shit about what works and how this is not congruent with their previous way of thinking.
Solid FR dude
brinkleybuzz 9y ago
Well done. When in doubt, say nothing. This applies to women and cops.
feminists_are_dumb 9y ago
No it doesn't. When dealing with cops, "don't say anything" ALWAYS applies.
harsha_hs 9y ago
+1 for mentioning cops. Never speak to cops. Always avoid cops, even if you are 1000% innocent
rhole 9y ago
Cant be said often enough, never talk to cops
Novembercriminal 9y ago
Very good video man. Thanks!'
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Seriously, I got hit by a car on my bike once, I was fine but some bystandards called the police. They showed up and I assumed they would be cool since I thought it was the cars fault. The cops tried to blame it on me and write me a citation or some crap. Immediately regretted not just going on my way when I got up.
vagbutters 9y ago
Cops are, more often than not, blue-pill enforcement. They can virtually get away with ruining your life if they're careful, and you can't do much against it. Best to avoid them entirely and lawyer up when you have to deal with them, even if you're truly innocent.
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JPR3959 9y ago
As a cop, I can assure you this is horrible advice
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"Everything you say can be used against you" - please share the opinion on that quote.
And the fact it does not say "or in your favor".
I'm not even American and I know American cops are more often than not bad company to have around.
KnowBrainer 9y ago
Civilians kill less than 50 cops per year. Cops kill 1000 people per year.
If I ever get cornered by the 5-Oh, you can 100% bet I'm shooting first, and aiming for the head.
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What advice would you give
Orso_dei_Morti 9y ago
He would lie to get you to incriminate yourself.
JPR3959 9y ago
Honestly "yes sir" "no sir" are very easy ways of getting police to leave you alone. I have always been a proponent of giving respect to get respect. So when I deal with people on the street, even someone who I've dealt with that has been an asshole in the past, I allow them to determine the course of the interaction. Just because you've been an asshole before, doesnt mean that you are today.
Things that won't help you,
"I know my rights"
"I didn't run that light (or whatever) " [because you probably didn't realize you did... But you did]
" you don't have anything better to do? "
And as for the people who think the police are out to get them I won't get into a pissing match with them. I can't attest to their interactions only my interactions with the public. Just know that when you call. We come. Regardless of who you are, what you've done, what you've said and what you think. We come.
But I didn't mean to hijack OPs thread with this there are other subs for these topics. Just don't wanna see someone get jammed up over poor advice.
RedPillRedemption 9y ago
Hence "do not talk to cops". To not say shit you think it helps you but it doesn't. When in doubt, don't say anything (which was the original point anyway).
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Yea this is what I have noticed that is helpful lately. Sometimes when texting a girl it gets to a point where I just don't know what to say back, and instead of trying to formulate some good response (never works) I now just don't respond. Has a much better effect.
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kidwithambition 9y ago
gives you shit, you brush it off pretending it didn't even happen, she begins asking for your forgiveness for a situation she created herself and wants to pay you back - it's a cycle
you've experienced the female brain at work - it doesn't make sense like it's supposed to. use it to your advantage, and get laid 24 7
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Who are you trying to convince? Us or yourself?
If you wanted to do something, you'd of made it a priority, you didn't.
tranx19 9y ago
This is an interesting take. Thank you. I don't randomly forget things that are truly important to me
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Areu4realm8 9y ago
where do you find such low self esteem women? a similiar thing happened to my sister, and she never spoke to him again. she makes me proud.
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why would a man care about the bday of a girl he fucked 3 times? that isn't a girlfriend or anything....
[deleted] 9y ago
I agree that woman sounds pretty pathetic and this doesn't work on most girls
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I've tried to see how far the dread game can go. Don't go too far. You'll create a woman who will do anything for you. Know however that you need to be in good physical shape and have actual collateral eg. wealth, intelligence to pull it off.
tranx19 9y ago
How far were you able to take it?
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mikazee 9y ago
What the hell are you smoking?
You had sex a couple of times, you're not her boyfriend, but she's talking to you. She's not genuinely mad, she's just finding an excuse to talk to you.
Makes sense, she just wanted your attention and didn't realize she stepped over one of your lines.
That's the thing, you didn't screw up by not remembering her birthday. It's like when a guy awkwardly teases a girl and she thinks he's genuinely insulting her. She's flirting with you.
This didn't even seem like a shit test. This just seemed like her idea of flirting. It wasn't about breaking frame, its about spending time with you. If this was in person, she'd probably have a smile on her face, not trying to trip you up, just flirt. Like those new rom-coms where the girl and guy just make sarcastic remarks for the whole movie. It's that kind of shit. You're overthinking this.
Either way, you got laid.
tranx19 9y ago
I appreciate the fresh perspective on this! Lots of work lies ahead of me.
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BluestBlackBalls 9y ago
Red Pill: Change the quick bite for a quick quickie.
Abundance Mentality is a hell of a drug.
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Id be eating that dinner bro.
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Good point, eat it later haha.
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StuttBuffer 9y ago
Baller dude. Birthdays and Christmas are for children anyway.
DaBaulz 9y ago
Beautiful post. This is repeatable time and time again. I've all been the guy who has planned so much for a girls bday, only to not have her show. Horrible feeling. Ive also been the guy who didn't remember and had her reach out to me afterwords. Always better to be the one who doesn't meet these expectations.
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AncientScrolls 9y ago
Hey, I'm wondering if when you told her, that she was a very whiny person by phone did you use a teasing tone or your guys were really in an argument tone?
tranx19 9y ago
I said it in an easy tone while laughing a little
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Great show on dealing with a fastball. Had you given in, another would have followed. Then another. And another. A series of petty grievances, one after another to size you up, all because you allowed the first of that series to get the better of you.
Women know this little shit doesn't matter, but will gladly act like it does, because injuring you gives them a prize, and submission gives them joy. They win either way, but for men, there is only one option.
rp-one 9y ago
You didn't screw up, you did exactly what you should have done.
Could've even rubbed it in a bit more with a cocky "Lol, I dont have time to wish every one of my girlfriends a happy bday... that would be like 2 or more A DAY"
Unless she's asked to be your exclusive gf and proven that shes worth it, dont go out of your way to wish her a happy bday/merryxmas/valintines day and DEFINITELY don't be buying presents.