Love the chart. And the comment. After a long time swallowing the blue pill, this is all starting to make sense. Not only that, this mindset is actually what I'm naturally inclined to as a man, I've just been brainwashed into thinking otherwise and hating myself for having these thoughts.

Yes, some can. Yes it's hard, yes it's unfair. But that's how it is. You can complain about it or find some time to do your best to be like those guys. But no excuse : as a man, you don't have any excuse and never will.

You think I give a shit about the price of a woman's shoes? Or her make up? If she only looks good in make up then it's not worth it anyway. Generally speaking a man just wants a good looking woman with a good personality. If they eat right, sleep right, and are higienic, then, generally, it's all ok body-wise. A woman needs away less to be attractive to the opposite sex. And don't compare going shopping with exercicing like a manic, saying they are both hard work.

Yeah it was and I massively respect the guy for trying that ritual out.

Bear in mind, in the tribal culture he failed the ritual for crying like a little bitch. Those men have to act as though it's another day in the office.

Still, the point was well made and I'm willing to bet that 99% of us on here would also fail that ritual.

Actually, after researching it, I was wrong. I apologize. To everyone else, it turns out that the great Baroque sculptor Bernini modeled his style of sculpture after the Laocoon piece. Bernini is amazing though, if you would like something to do sometime, look up 'the rape of proserpina.' The way Bernini managed sculpt folds of flesh in stone amazes me.

yeah and he's probably been rejected a fuckload of times for not being big enough

But doesn't that go against evolutionary psychology? Women MUST want men who are good hunters. Good hunter = good provider. The way men demonstrate that ability is by being youthful and muscular.

I tell you, it all goes back to the savanna where the human race evolved. Don't underestimate how much importance women put on a man's appearance.

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I'm going to sort of drift away on this, but bear with me.

I actually think OP's underlying foundation is pretty accurate, and is a pretty interesting observation: We find beauty in each of the sexes based on their ability to fulfill their role. For instance, male beauty comes from physical traits that highlight their ability to work hard, build, create, fight, defend, take, gather, and grunt. While women beauty is defined by their role, which is feminine, sensual, erotic, youthful, childbearing, and whimsical.

I mean, while a fit girl is attractive, a buff girl usually isn't, because her huge physical physical relays non-desirable attributes. Men simply don't want a women capable of building, fighting, and creating. And on the flipside, women generally don't like scrawny men who's body reflects the body that is unable to bring in resources and defend from threats.

Now this is sort of where I am going to go off which is almost completely unrelated, but I've heard a common feminist trope many times before which is, "All men are good for is defending people from the damages of other men." For instance, most male rape victims are victims of other men. Or men who fight and defend their families in war, are just defending themselves from, again, other men. That men are the common denominator in situations in which men are useful (IE, men are only useful for protecting people from problems that other men create. If there were no men to begin with, then there would be no men needed.)

However, man's problamatic nature certainly has a net positive. Sure, men go to war to stop other men from taking their shit. But at the same time, these characteristics are what creates farms, builds economies, plunders resources for their own people, and drives innovation. And you know what? I do think this roots from male disposability. Because in nature, species go into the directions they are pushed into. And in this case, when men are disposable, they don't inherently have value. So men have to go out and create value for themselves. They can't just exist and create children. No, they must instead become strong and smart to start a business, build a building, plunder resources, and so on...

Do you really think the world around us would exist if men weren't disposable? That a man could live a perfect life just doing nothing all day? I guarentee you, that if a man could score an 8 and not actually have to create a high amount of value in the world, then he'd just sit around playing video games all day.

What is unfortunate for us all is just how profoundly maladaptive that sexual strategy has become in recent times.

Here I have to agree. I think the state of affairs within the gender dynamics is so fucked up right now because there isn't a balance. There is a huge push from the failures of both sexes to enforce equality among everyone, regardless of whether or not they deserve it. It's nothing more than a social version of Social-Marxism.

I mean, we live in a very free state (assuming USA) where anyone and everyone can do whatever they want within reason. If a woman wants to be a hardworking exec, she can do that. If a man wants to get into nursing, he too has that options. Realistically, the options are uninhibited. However, the confusion sort of gets all murky when no one is letting the dust settle, or the pieces fall in their place. You have women who want to be women, and do feminine things, by taking full pride in them -- only to get attacked by feminists telling them that they are victims if they don't try and act and do like men. And we have men who want to take control and do their own things, but are told that they are bad people if they don't praise women and bend over backwards for them.

Uggg... Honestly, I think I completely lost track here. It's 4 am, and I"m going to stop now.

this chart is perfect, it's bitingly ironic whenever it's said that "omg dating is so much harder for wimminz."

No perspective, none.

Admired equals beta males trying to suck your cock so you throw them some crumbs. For females adnired means trying to get some of your genetic material and then getting beta bucks to raise your genetic material.

Fight for actually oppressed women in the middle east?

The women in the middle east are not oppressed.