Why should OP be qualified to answer the title question? Because my Mentor is a billionaire.
1. Mindset: As always, the mindset is the most important part. Most people will think/say: They will never answer my emails or return my calls. You are sabotaging yourself. I contacted 14 extremely succesful self-made Entrepreneurs worth 250Millions-3Billion. ALL OF THEM REPLIED (in most instances the secretary, but you'll get a reply!) (For example Marc Cuban. You can contact him via his app Cyberdust directly...) SELLING IS A GAME OF NUMBERS. Maybe your first request is granted, maybe you need to ask 14 guys (like me), maybe 25. But be assured: You'll get a meeting/phonecall if you ask enough different people.
2. Their Perception Being extremely successful surely has its upsides. But it also comes with some downsides. Namely: PEOPLE WANT YOUR MONEY! You asking for their expertise/time as a young entrepreneur is probably quite different from 99% of the other request they get since you don't ask for money but expertise.
3. Why should he agree???? I'm a nobody/just starting out/don't have a trackrecord You'll never know why they agree (unless you meet and ask them). It could be that the media said nasty things about him/her and he wants to feel good about himself. Maybe he want to get in touch with the younger generation and be on the pulse of time. Maybe he wants misses a little bit of the passion from the 'good old days' and subconsciously hopes to be re-ignited. Who cares as long as they agree to meet you...
4. How to approach them? I approached them via E-mail as I'm good in writing and in Person but for some reason phonecalls feel awkward to me. If you're more of a phone guy - by all means - call them. Quite a lot of times though, you'll only find email-adresses (and not phone numbers). In order to find contact details, use google (easier than you might think).
5. The Template My (translated) Template. ()=Notes for you guys
Dear Mr XYZ
I'm a young entrepreneur from (Cityname) and contact you because I'm looking for a successful, passionate and experienced entrepreneur who'd like to share his knowledge.
In the interview/documentary in (Newspaper/TV) I noticed (1-2 qualities you like about person - not too many, no brownnosing - in my case he had a 1bn exit by the Age of 36 I think and still kept on working/building businesses, which I admire. And in some cases he failed and was in the media. Takes balls to make that much money and still be willing to fail after such a huge success).
Would you consider training/mentoring a young, passionate entrepreneur?
I understand that you are extremely busy (remember, they are usually investors, on many board of directors, CEO's, etc of one or even multiple companies - so you are asking for the thing that is most valuable to them: Time.). To make it as effortless for you as possible, could meet you whenever and wherever in (Country/Region name - You show them that you understand their situation & you want it really bad and make sacrifices to meet them where and when they want). Whether a Skype-Call, Meeting or Dinner, I'm flexible and will do whatever works best for you.
Thank you and Kind Regards,
(Name)
PS: It is also important to notice that I'm NOT looking for an invenstor/financier in any way, shape or form (as noted above, this will seperate you from almost all the other requests).
6. After you contacted them If you don't get an answer, follow up on your inquiry. Be persistent without being pushy. If they turn you down (a lot will since they are extremely busy), just write sometime along the line of: Thank you so much (secretarys name) for bringing my request to Mr XYZ's attention. I fully understand the situation! If in the future there will be chance to meet Mr XYZ, please don't hesitate to contact me again. Kind Regards
7. The Meeting Maybe they agree to call you/dinner/meeting, whatever. Dress appropriately. But most importantly: COME PREPARED. Write down your questions beforehand. AND DON'T BROWN-NOSE THEM. They will probably be quite straightforward and frank. If they say something and you disagree, tell them. Or if you don't understand what they said, ask them to explain/repeat it. This shows that you are confident and makes them respect you. Make the time enjoyable for them, show your passion (but don't be a clown).
Hope it helps, share your questions & successstories below. IF YOU ASK ENOUGH OF THEM YOU WILL GET IT, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME
BTW: This approach should also work if you want a mentor in a different field. If you want to be a great engineer, ask the best engineer. If you want to be a world-class surgeon, ask the best surgeon. You get the idea
Edit 1 My country's population is roughly 8,3 Million people and 132 of them are billionaires. Also, the farthes point away in my country is only a 3.5 hour drive.

AtlasAtlasAtlas 9y ago
OP, this fuckin works!
I just did it, not with a billionaire, but someone who is highly skilled in their field.
Thank you so much!
chumjetze 9y ago
Glad to hear, Congrats man!! Awesome to see that you put it into practice and succeeded. Was he the first person you approached?
Just because most people think it can't be done (and haven't seen anyone do it) doesn't mean it can't be done ;)
AtlasAtlasAtlas 9y ago
Cheers, he was. I just sent him a nice email using your format and boom, long detailed reply.
Thank you mate, gonna use this all the time in the future!
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AI_entrepreneur 9y ago
A couple things (my background is a pretty successful hard-tech entrepreneur in SV, and I'm somewhat close to a couple of the actually successful folks (>$1b exits)):
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He is from Switzerland, it is a different place than Silicon Valley. I would vet that almost none of the contacted guys were tech billionaires.
Business advice is a lot more broad than science/tech and can actually help and give perspective.
Just by being born swiss he got unto global 0.1%.
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Always be thinking. Closing gets old.
Dubsland12 9y ago
I've known 3. They don't mentor people. They hire people that can do very well, 10-100MM, but not $1B.
2 of the 3 got lucky. They would have been very successful but they both found someone to way overpay on their exit.
The third is amazingly charismatic and sees way ahead of the rest of us.
Last point, none are looking to create more competition.
fearl3ss 9y ago
I completely agree with your points.
What you actually want to find is a partner (or ideally an entire team) with a high level of technical capability. You want to help create a low-drama, high-output group that is invested in a shared vision. This is going to do a lot more for you than 5 forced minutes with Mark Cuban.
Many successful startups were formed from a talented engineer or two, with at least someone possessing the social skills and the ability to sell, somehow acquiring the capital to work 90+ hours a week to get the company off the ground.
What you don't want is "4 bros with a dream" and no one with strong engineering skills. You need a lean team where everyone is pulling weight, and you're shipping product fast and iterating. If you're one of the people that doesn't have technical chops, you need to be doing everything else, and you need to be able to sell your ass off. If you can't cold approach someone, and you're not an engineer, you're fucked.
As for SV being Bluepill, this is by design. It is safer for PR reasons, and it is a defense against lawsuits. Discrimination is no joke in California, and the labor laws here are completely fucked and one-sided against businesses. There are a lot of RP-inclined founders in SV; we just keep quiet about it.
deepthrill Senior Endorsed 9y ago
Oh yes, I honestly am surprised that the OP actually got results. Is he lying or not, nobody has any idea. But my bs detector is tingling slightly. There are only 400 billionaires in America, out of 400 million people, for example.
You know, I've noticed this too.
I've actually interacted with some of these people (3 billionaires specifically, and 2 executive chairmen who don't personally have that much money but control it via their companies), and their advice comes with a few caveats:
They are extremely informed about whatever industry made them godly amounts of money. If you have a different opinion on this industry than them, you're going to be shown the door immediately, and dismissed. And they are usually correct. When they have an opinion about their own industries, it is backed up by hard facts nearly nobody else has (inside political information) and hard results that nearly no other human has achieved. Do not disagree with them about anything they have direct experience in. If you do, you're a fool.
They are so annoyingly prone to the overgeneralization fallacy. They have achieved a level of success that few other humans in history have achieved. And yet they assume that they know what led them to that success, and that these principles will apply to other industries. Now, this may be true or it may not. But several of the multi-millionaires I've interacted with, have the same critique of the billionaires we've met in common. That the billionaires don't actually understand niche industries, yet think they do.
Sephar 9y ago
Also mine, but the amount of billionaires in relation to total population shouldn't make you doubt it, as OP lives in Switzerland.
FieldLine 9y ago
I am sure you've read Mastery by Robert Greene; he argues that you have to make your own luck, the "masters" of history were so because they worked hard enough, long enough and smart enough.
While this is obviously true to an extent, I would argue that there is an upper limit that you will rapidly approach as you rise above your peers in a given field.
For instance, I have poor hand-eye coordination. Despite this, I achieved "mastery" on the piano, only because I spent countless hours as a child practicing in front of my black Baldwin instead of going out to play baseball with my friends. But I will never be a great composer or a famous performer, simply because I wasn't "lucky" enough to be born with the right cards. (By no means am I complaining about the hand I was dealt, don't think that I am. I admit that I only got that far because I was lucky enough to grow up with parents who could afford a grand piano/private lessons.)
Likewise, I believe that you can attain financial success and become extremely wealthy through hard work. But you aren't going to become that kind of rich without someone cutting you a break plus a crazy amount of luck.
I'm curious to hear your thoughts about this.
chumjetze 9y ago
My country's population is roughly 8,3 Million people and 132 of them are billionaires. Also, the farthes point away in my country is only a 3.5 hour drive.
We would also role-play negotiations for example, which is really helpful. Not too much philosophy :)
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What AI startup!? Thoughts on deepmind, ( and also calico? I'm super interested about it... ).
Fuck, can you just do an AMA? It's interesting to come across an actually (assumed) high-IQ dude who's on some level of social acuity that other people aren't on. ( 1 - 2 qualities I like about you lmaooo )
AI_entrepreneur 9y ago
if there's enough interest sure. obviously i'm not gonna disclose which company it is given that SV is pretty bluepill overall
have a lot of respect for deepmind, they're pretty much the best AI lab in the world right now (though I think my co might overtake them in the next couple years in a few verticals). Have not heard much about Calico though I do know the best ML folks are not heading there.
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Dude, I read through your post history and you're just my fucking hero. I know no one on this entire website will agree with you ( high, idk, axiomatic rigor??? and like extremely high standards of how a sentient human should use their intellect lmao ), but holy fuck I feel you. I just want you to know I'm in full beta admiration mode at you right now, and definitely fucking look forward to more posts.
Also any frameworks for thinking or a thought/problem-solving process in general?? Idk how to properly phrase this question, but I imagine AI + H/Y/P imply good problem-solving ability and i'm just really really really curious af about any sort of... like, underlying pattern or any consistent theme you've found to " I have solved a big problem X ".
thanks, sorry if this sounded stupid :) haha
chumjetze 9y ago
Thanks for your reply, interesting to hear different perspectives.
Just to clarify: I only met one, not multiple. Meaning: 13 rejected the proposal / 1 agreed. It's a numbers game :)
I agree with point number two. Still, I gave him numbers of the product I was thinking about acquiring and he could tell me immediately no. They are really business-savy and straightforward and even if they don't have good knowledge of a specific industry they can still tell you alot just by looking at the numbers. He made his money with a brick & mortar family business in which he increased the revenue in 10 years x3 before the exit. He was CEO of 3'000 Employees by the age of 26 which also gives you a lot of real word experience (read: being fucked, failure, hard work and evenutally success)
What was also really interesting was (tying in to your point 4) that he told me: Mr XYZ, you need to know 3 things:
FieldLine 9y ago
1/14 is still crazy. It's not because they're too busy to help you (and they probably are), it's because they're not incentivized to help you. I've met people who are ultra wealthy - they're just regular people who have a slightly higher work ethic than the average schlub, and regular people aren't really interested in helping a stranger who randomly reaches out to them without an introduction. Is it possible? Sure. But it's also possible to win the fucking lottery.
And, respectfully, the "advice he gave you" reads more like the advice of someone who wants to be a billionaire who's never actually done it himself.
Someone who has a net worth of over $300 mil either
1) inherited it, whether in the form of a company or real estate; the vast majority of ultra-high net worth individuals fall into this category
2) got really, really lucky. Hard work and smarts makes you millions. Luck makes you billions.
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Soarinc 9y ago
I'll respectfully point out a couple flaws. Being the son of a billionaire is a pretty good example of "winning the birth lottery" I'm not sure if external links are allowed so I'll just quote the summary of what I tried to link:
If you realize that by your own (1)(2) bulletpoint schema that bullet point 1 is an absolute subset of bullet point 2 because being born to rich parents is the basis of the legal concept of inheritance.
I'd argue that anybody worth more than $1,000,000 is extremely lucky in the grand scheme of things because the human race has largely existed in misery, poverty, and putrid existence for like 90% of our existence. To have comfortable lives for even a tenth of our species at a given time is actually super rare and uncommon.
Only problem is when people reach adulthood they look around and assume what they see is the status quo and has always been the status quo. I mean, we're like literally the luckiest "batch" of humans that the earth has pooped out, ever.
FieldLine 9y ago
Yes, this is an accurate observation, I only differentiated between the two because they are different kinds of luck - in one case our hero worked hard and built a fortune using the particular advantages he was born with. In the other, he didn't work particularly hard, he was just born into a family where daddy already did all the work.
When it comes down to it, there's always going to be a certain amount of luck regarding your social/economic class, regardless of how hard you work. Someone born into poverty is extremely lucky if they make it to upper middle class, regardless of their work-ethic. It's a dirty secret in our supposedly opportunistic first-world society that social mobility really doesn't exist anymore.
In TRP we always talk about how there are no excuses for not succeeding, and this is true - to an extent. For example, you can always get fit enough to have an attractive body, but most guys, no matter how hard they work, aren't going to be world-class bodybuilders.
It works for TRP because the goal here is sexual strategy, not becoming part of the elite. To be successful sexually you only have to pass a minimum baseline.
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Not true, the richest people in the world (Gates, Zuckerberg, Brinn) all graduated in the top 1% of their universities. The richest and most powerful people are generally the most gifted with high IQs at birth. These people do not even need to work hard to be the best, they just are. Most of the other rich people in the world got there through talent and hard work. Your 2 point summary is simplistic and way off.
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JSploosh 9y ago
are you troll or legit retarded? Gates and zuckerberg both dropped out of harvard.
you also think they didn't work hard? give me a break.
AI_entrepreneur 9y ago
Gates was off the charts smart - google gates math 55 Harvard and you'll see
JSploosh 9y ago
that was never in doubt. But they still dropped out.
FieldLine 9y ago
Bill Gates had the luxury of attending a private school as a child, with access to a ASR 33 Terminal, the computer of the day. The equivalent would be you having access to a private helicopter growing up. This isn't to minimize his accomplishments or his intelligence, but he most certainly is a product of his environment.
Likewise, I had a coworker who went to Harvard with Zuckerberg - while smart, Zuckerberg wasn't exceptional. He was in the right place at the right time, stealing an idea that his friend had (they later settled for a few million).
I don't know anything about Brinn and Google, but I imagine the trend will be similar.
Point is, these people are smart and worked hard, but they also got a break, whether from childhood or later on. Would they have been successful otherwise? Maybe. Probably. Would they be worth what they are today? Not a chance.
You are conflating standard rich and that kind of rich. I'll repeat: hard work and smarts make you millions. Luck is what puts you in the billions.
666mafioso 9y ago
Keep that mindset. It means less competition to the top for me, son.
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Repeat as much as you like. You do not have a clue. I am rich, many people I know are rich. Uber rich work very hard same as rich. You will never know because you use a blue pill lie that they were lucky or had it handed to them. Enjoy your blue pill delusion, I will not waste my time educating you
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FieldLine 9y ago
Correct. I will repeat myself a third time because you aren't listening: millionaires work hard and billionaires work hard. What sets them apart is that somewhere down the road the billionaire got a break. The millionaire probably did too, but not to the same extent as evidenced by his lower net-worth.
You bet.
marplaneit 9y ago
Lol don't even bother... Even Richard Branson got lucky. The only billionaire that didn't got lucky and didnt come from a good background is Elon Fuckin Musk but he is playing at another level.
iamrsj 9y ago
i think this post is gold, thank you bro This can be applied to find any kind of mentor - anyone who's sold a company above a million dollars certainly has some wisdom that they can share. I've never really had a mentor (outside my family that is), but I'm a part of several groups and it's helped me a lot. Getting a good coach/mentor is definitely a bar raiser and a way to hit your goals faster
Vigantio 9y ago
This is worthless without any proof.
CamTalbot 9y ago
This is the mentality that drags you down.
Kafkaevsky 9y ago
Doesn't matter, the point is you should try, if not billionaires then millionaires. What is it with people and proof on anonymous subs.
The most important point of this sub is to get new ideas for you to experiment on.
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Nice!
I'm guessing they offered to make you a millionaire too after you sign up to their stock trading classes :P
chumjetze 9y ago
instead of being sarcastic you could have already drafted an email and googled their email-addresses...
Kafkaevsky 9y ago
Unfortunately you can't always help some people.
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arrayay 9y ago
Small point of advice, if you want to appeal to the class of the high station guy, you should probably use the term "beaucoup" over "bookoo".
snow_angel022968 9y ago
In order to get the most out of the mentorship, you'd have to study up on the topic during your spare time, including reading and understanding any books that they might have out.
Make a good enough impression and there's a slight chance they'll refer you to some of their business associates, which will help you further your knowledge, but the first step has to come from your end.
chumjetze 9y ago
Thanks for your reply and concern. I know the kind of people you are talking about. Fortunately, my mentor never went to University (for which he was criticized by the media a lot) and is extremely down to earth. His net worth is around 1.5bn and he doesn't have a plane/yacht and drives a normal Audi RS4 or RS6. People can't fathom how such an 'uneducated' guy could make so much money. He always says that theory and practice are usually completely different. He feels comfortable around 'ordinary' people.
The way we interacted was that I could ask him questions and he gave me answers (which I understood - he's from a brick and mortar world, nothing extremely complicated). I also provided him with numbers of a product I was thinking about acquiring and he could give me specific advice I could understand.
AI_entrepreneur 9y ago
Yeah this is right. The best way to get these folks' attention is to become the best in the world at something then tell them you want to pivot into an area where they could provide guidance in. I don't really see this failing unless you try talking to Zuck or Musk -- they're legitimately too busy and have plenty of these guys already clamoring for their attention.
FieldLine 9y ago
Not provide guidance - "guidance" is code for "I can't do shit but I'm a great schmoozer" - you want to show them that you can provide value. Go out and do something, show your worth. Don't sit around and talk about it like a fucking academic.
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FieldLine 9y ago
I misread the post I was replying to - I understood is as telling Mr. Dollahbill that you can provide him with some of your guidance.
In any case I disagree with the whole premise of the post, but your objection to what I wrote here is valid.
WASPandNOTsorry 9y ago
__ZEAL__ 9y ago
TL;DR: Treat them like a normal person and they'll appreciate it.
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Fedor_Gavnyukov 9y ago
a friend of mine who's an up and coming actor contacted a pretty well known actor via email. the actor is not an A list actor, but most you definitely have seen him in many many films. anyway, my friend got a response back from him and now they're friends. he's been mentoring him on the business and even got him a small role (non speaking) in one of the upcoming films.
if you never ask or take a chance you'll never know what opportunity you might miss. gotta create your own luck.
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I would like a mentor who is currently in the same field that I would like to pursue. Which is within a certain agency. Literally f I could find a bitch who had connects to get me commissioned as soon as possible and, get me what I want. Im wifing on spot.
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Good thread or good troll either way.
It seems to me that it's a numbers game, you have a 1-2% chance of getting a response, you can't really increase this but as soon as you make a mistake (type, be rude etc) you go to 0. I imagine in person it's similar, it doesn't really matter what you do, just that you avoid making mistakes which will blow you out straight away.
Is this similar to what you've noticed?
chumjetze 9y ago
Not at all. I received replies from all of them (mostly secretaries/gatekeepers). Just give it a go. Google "Family Office XXZ" and email them. They have direct access to the billionaire.
GOATmar 9y ago
fuck being a mentor they can be my sugar daddies foh smh
MyTrapsCauterize 9y ago
Less than a couple thousand billionaires on Earth, so I'm calling bullshit. Less than 500 in the US.
chumjetze 9y ago
My country's population is roughly 8,3 Million people and 132 of them are billionaires
RICCIedm 9y ago
Why would you want to be a billionaire? Seems like an excess in one part of life, which inevitably leads to failures in other areas.
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chumjetze 9y ago
Don't want to be a billionaire. But it never hurts to learn from the best of the best at what you do. He's extremely down to earth which also attracted me
slutnip 9y ago
this is not true at all, excess in that aspect in life grants freedom in all others
RICCIedm 9y ago
for sure you have a lot of freedom when you work 10 hours a day