Summary: TRP is not simply about shattering your own illusions … the unintended consequence is often shattering the illusions of those around you, including women. For many of them, it is the first time they will truly understand what it means to feel feminine … that freedom derives from boundaries.
The modern world has a weird relationship with the concept of freedom. Freedom is often thought of as being totally without boundary or obligation. Yet one's unbridled feral nature is as much a cage as any other.
We seem to oscillate between chaining ourselves to duties implied by Blue Pill societal conditioning and self-serving declarations of indifference and apathy and “I do what I want fuck you” mantras. Like step-by-step instructions. Rulebooks. The scripts we cling to in the dark of night. They are the things we hide behind. Not the things that lead us to our true nature. As Pook once wisely said: Be not contained by a formula
Between all the discussion about whether to respond to IOIs or not and over-escalation versus not escalating enough, something often gets lost in the context. I can go to a thread on askTRP about someone who’s fucking up escalation … I can explain to him push/pull, two steps forward one step back. But the reality is that while I am explaining the mechanics, I fail to explain the purpose.
For it is not the things you do, but the purpose for which you do them, that define the man.
A woman cares not for your philosophy, your words, or even actions … except perhaps in how she might utilize them to benefit herself. Your value is and always will be independent of her. Much the same could be said of the world at large.
Your value thus lies not in what you say or do, but in the authenticity with which you do them. Let me explain …
I have been experimenting with some things lately, particularly in the way I handle plates and lovers.
The older I get, the more and more I treat women like children. Not in a detestable way, but in the way a father might see a child needing guidance. Women live in a world full of lies much the same as men, perhaps the greatest told to them by feminists themselves. Indeed, most of these women are craving authenticity. Even they suspect something is wrong, even if they don’t know what.
I’ll give a specific example: I had a plate over recently. She had been being flaky that day, and when she came over she was being weird about physical intimacy, being distracted by her phone (something about waiting for a text from her dad). So I kicked her out … no, not in a mean “get the fuck out bitch” kind of way. I simply told her in a stern manner that her behavior was unacceptable and disrespectful to me and my time. She started to tear up, cue sad face, all that. So I kissed her on her forehead, told her she needed to trust me, and sent her on her way.
I then withdrew my attention for the next couple weeks. I gave her the gift of missing me. Let her feel the full range of emotions. I waited, was patient, never angry (yeah I was fucking other plates but that’s beside the point). I let her come back on her own. And when she did, things were different.
The problem with women these days is that they lack trust … in themselves, in others, in traditions. And they lack trust because they lack boundaries. And they lack boundaries because of the lack of authentic men … men willing not only to say NO, but to be guideposts. To patiently lead, where other men would nervously react. Stoic. Steady. Patience is your gift to the world.
As Pook said: Patience is the refined sense of self-confidence
The sweet, sweet irony.
I see occasionally the thread here or there on TRP with people questioning the purpose. Once you’ve plated enough women, done and seen enough things, what is the end game, they ask.
The women in my life, plates or otherwise, are not simply things I use. They are things that I engage with. I certainly get the things I want, but I also leave something behind. And that lies at the crux of the matter. The choice is not simply one of being a blue-pilled supplicating beta versus some emotion-less “asshole” who uses women … but rather the choice lies in the difference of what you leave behind.
In my blue pill days, I largely left behind bitterness or annoyance at my failures to be an authentic man or from my unwitting attempts at covert contracts. I left behind women who were rudderless and confused, lacking leadership or a willingness to submit, which my failures only served to further cement. Nowadays, between my frame and paternal behavior towards them, I leave behind women who, at least for a moment in time, understand the freedom that derives from boundaries. And in that moment, however brief, they finally knew what it felt like to be feminine.
We live in a world where our illusions are often the things that hold us back. That goes for women as well as men. A man who truly embraces TRP breaks those illusions … not only for himself, but for those around him. It is a freedom you give not only to yourself, but to others. A benevolent, if unintended, consequence.
Those who see reality for what it is, can bend it to their will … those who see only illusion, are bent to its will.

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PantsonFire1234 9y ago
You are really far along the learning process of gaming, plating, women in general. It's great that you are sharing your knowledge with the younger crowd.
Having said that, those who are just beginning their journey need to understand that they aren't ready to be at that level yet. Mastery of anything takes thousands of hours of practice and dedication.
I've been lifting for a long time, it was a necessity for the things I did in life. Both professionally and recreational. People often ask me how they can get in shape like I am. They want the simple dietary/workout schedule hand out..
.. you can't do this, it's a process for everyone. You will find yourself hitting plateaus every time. After seven years of tough military military training I am still bumping into them. It takes adaptation skills, discipline etc to continue growth..
.. the same can be said for plating women. You need to experience it yourself. Experienced men like OP here might share a nugget of wisdom with you. But this doesn't mean you can skip the work..
you will never be done learning. The game never stops so you better get on with it fast. Stop looking for that magic formula that will give you easy access to poon. That in and of itself is a beta mindset.
CopperFox3c 9y ago
Well said ... also tip of the cap for your military service.
And of course, I still fuck it up sometimes. Things go awry. Plates still break. Perfection is never the goal.
To your other point, most of what I write for TRP is really for those more at the Depression and Acceptance phases. But hopefully even for those not as far along their journey, the posts shed some light on the nuances of what they're doing and why.
rickception 9y ago
"I see occasionally the thread here or there on TRP with people questioning the purpose. Once you’ve plated enough women, done and seen enough things, what is the end game, they ask."
What a misguided question, "what is the end game?" Whats the point of eating food, youll just get hungry again. There is no end game. I fuck women because I like to fuck women. So whats your end game? A relationship? then what? marriage? then what? a house? then what grand kids? then what? retirement? What is your end game?
No one really "achieves one thing" becomes 'done' and remains content
Whats my end game? Another one.
KingLemons 9y ago
I'm new here, but like, what about love? Do you guys just not care about being in love?
kinklianekoff 9y ago
Your understanding of love is about to change. Read the sidebar.
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the_red_monk 9y ago
Always leave them better than you found them.
Great post.
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Love the references to Pook, still the greatest writer and that ever happened to grace the manosphere. This post really is a cut above the usual standard. I do not really see a clear point to it but all of your points and thoughts give pause for thought and reflection. We are all here to learn to be better men and to be happier generally. The truth does lie somewhere in between two extremes.
I like the quote at the end but in some ways we all live in a cage. For example we have a fixed lifespan, sure we can live clean and make sure it is maximised but not many people make it past 100 and they are not in good shape if they do. I would prefer to live in a healthy 20 something year old body for at least a few thousand years, maybe more. We also face financial limits, family issues, loneliness and indecision. Our reproductive rights have been stolen from us and our grandfathers lived more masculine lives than we did.
Much of how we will be happy depends on how far we can push our limits, what level of control we have and how we react to adversity. Too much freedom and control can be a bad thing. Does anyone actually think that Johhny Depp or Mary-Kate Olsen are happy? They have been wealthy with maxed out SMV since they were very young but their lives are a train wreck. No-one has all the answers, life was not meant to be easy. At least TRP and the manosphere exist to give us some guidance with women. As for the rest of life, it is a puzzle that we all spend our lives trying to figure out.
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In short, patriarchy, the rule of the fathers. Engels, and subsequently feminists, demonised this word as some sort of evil conspiracy to keep women underfoot. But fathers are not about keeping people down, but about raising strong and well-balanced children, about protecting their family. This does have implications beyond the family, because a person with this mindset, with the characteristics required of a good father, also benefits all the people to come into his life, but most especially women. Men have become conditioned not to lead their women, but this is not the TRP way. Excellent post.
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Luckyluke23 9y ago
when you say this. do you you mean
by kicking her out, she will experience the FULL range of her emotions by herself.
interesting man, I always thought you had to invoke EACH one of these emotions. but it seems like, The LESS you do the more powerful it is.
so by guidepost you mean something to judge her own behaviour on?
a lot of women now just do what every they want because society just lets them. there for she doesn't know when she has crossed the line
she needs that boundary in her life to know when she has gone too far.
i think this is the BIGGEST thing i took away once i read it. I just said " yep that's me"
thanks for posting this. I got SO MUCH out of it. if i had some spare money I would give you gold.
thanks again man and keep up the good work!
edit: after reading the comments and thinking about
I've come to the conclusion that i should stop looking at my failures in life and start embracing what I do have. no one cares what you CAN'T do. it's about what you can!
103342 9y ago
Think about this line right here, this is an idea that gets thrown around here ocasionally. The idea that women are the way they are because of men, because men are "weak" now and not like they were in the good'ol days.
But I honestly don't agree at all with this.
Men are not being leaders not because they are weak, but because being a leader (in general or for women) is equal to self-sacrifice these days, you get very little reward.
Women gave up on their traditional gender role without realizing that men would consequently do the same. This generation of men looks weak because in the current state of society the traditional idea of a strong man was turned into a joke.
Don't fall for the idea that you should be the one true man holding up, think about what you have to win.
Stythe 9y ago
Im halfway with you. Strong men aren't born and with no role Modals they certainly won't exist the same way. This is true for feminine women as well and you're right about there being little no no payoff in modern times.
What I disagree with you on is on the foundations of this. what I've found through my life is that when you act the part of the alpha (or essentially mature person) and you do it towards everyone, that's where you see the difference. You can be patient with a woman, a man, a child or a dog. The outcome is the same. You remain in control and you see how appreciated it is and how much it is lacking the world.
TRP does gives most of its focus to women, but the examples have far wider reaching outcomes than that.
When you become the man you aim to be, you see the reactions from people everywhere and that's what it's all about. Women are a side effect of the net benefit.
As for who's at fault, it's everyone to an extent. Both the people in power and all the puss is who let them get away with it. At some point or another, we're all blind. We learn to progress or we sit idle.
CopperFox3c 9y ago
There is a difference between doing something for someone, and something simply being an unintended consequence of striving toward your own goals.
You reach a point in your progression through TRP where such subtleties become critical.
103342 9y ago
The problem is that the path of self-improvement converges more with selfshness than with benevolence. In our society, being selfish will get you what you want: Be it money, women, w/e.
Let me give you kind of a stretched example, just to illustrate how the idea in your post might not be ideal for you as a person.
Several years ago I was dating a girl and she was annoying as fuck, she denied me sex, complained when I went out with friends, etc.
I cheated on her with her cousin, almost intentionally, to get back at her for being an annoying brat.
She cried, she cursed, she was bitter and lost confidance in the next relationships (as far as I heard). And almost 10 years later she still calls me for casual sex when she hears that I'm in the city.
If I tried to stay and be a leader to her I would get more head-ache than head. But by being an asshole and making her bitter with me, she didn't became a better person for the world, but she became better for me.
TheRedRand 9y ago
You can probably tell from my username that I'm an Ayn Rand fan. She was a huge advocate for self-interest, and the characters in her book that were deemed most selfish by society were the ones who, ironically, could give the best gifts and truly feel joy and sorrow.
She was also a huge Red Piller. All of her strong female characters (and they are very strong) willingly and very enthusiastically submit to the strong, driven, goal-oriented and self-interested men, who live our their ideals and DGAF about what people tell them they should be. Not adolescent assholes, and not whiney doormats. Men.
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topapito 9y ago
Alpha gives of his time. He tends to his herd. Makes them feel wanted. Not just pump and dump. Kudos OP, very very well put. It is a pleasure to read. Oh, and btw, if you do something looking for recognition or give of your time expecting gratitude, you lost.
Gratitude is a fickle lover, never expect or demand it. Just do things for others and feel good you did it, or not. makes no difference, but life is best led when you give.
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topapito 9y ago
So to recap, when you get older, you'll understand. But there is nothing wrong with that either. At least you are on your way. more than can be said for way too many others. Questioning everything is also good. So stay the course.
A good example is how in years past, the man of the house would always eat last. His self sacrifice for the rest of the people made them want to leave him the best food. It is maybe a poor analogy, but i think it kinda proves that presenting sacrifice always gets you more than seeming greedy. It's tough to get it right, but you'd be amazed at what giving of your time, yes, even to a plate, will do for your returns. I'm not saying give the house away, give selectively and you'll reap rewards you never thought possible. It's a balance really. Give and take, limit access, but then give it suddenly. Limited. It's a mind fuck for women.
RedEyesBlueShades 9y ago
Patience is the virtue of the strong.
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If you put a rat in an empty space, it probably run around here and there but then gives up due to a lack of purpose. If you put the rat in a maze, it eventually navigates toward the end. Then, the creator rewards it and so it is ready for another challenge (made up).
You can create the boundaries that women can figure out, then reward them so they learn to respect the boundaries. This analogy to rats is not particular to women and definitely not an attack. The emphasis should really be on order and disorder. There needs to be a leader to navigate toward mutually desired outcomes; the reward may not be evident to the follower, so it is the leader's duty to show the reward.
hawkeaglejesus 9y ago
I was looking up more info on this and came across this excerpt
Which reminds me of something /u/Archwinger posted a while back.
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That's very interesting, thanks for sharing
Rodear 9y ago
'Kissed on forehead ...on her way'. Oh man that is so damned the right thing to do. Instinctively, we all know this but needed a reminder. I think your whole post smacks of what a man should be like to a woman. Seriously, if men were like this, both sexes would be a lot happier. Willing submission of a woman to a man is both romantic and panty-wetting for her. The two can most definitely co-exist. Unfortunately, I think a lot of men here think submission=vicious aggression-no doubt that is what gives this place a bad reputation. Either that or just totally letting her make all the decisions which is equally detrimental. There is a middle way and your post illustrates that beautifully.
RobertCarraway 9y ago
As I mature as a man (as we all mature) I've finally gotten to a place where I sometimes exhibit this type of quiet, refined authority.
I haven't been prepared for the response from women. They are in awe. They drown you in compliments. Its like you're the only fully grown man in a sea of children, where everyone is looking for a daddy.
It's a spiritual process, what we're doing. You somehow tap into a universal truth, dig a stake into the cosmos, and everything begins to revolve around you and cling to you like a stone in a river.
WolfofAnarchy 9y ago
I'm probably fucking the retarded but I don't understand this post or how to apply it to life.
Could someone ELI5
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kinklianekoff 9y ago
3) A benevolent alpha does not fuck the retarded.
NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
Wisdom is found between the extremes.
The wise man dodges the Shit Test and gives comfort to pass the Comfort Test.
Thinking you can have a singular nature is an error.
You guard yourself from the extremes and must react in realtime.
aznredpill 9y ago
We learn about shit tests here constantly but because most red pill guys want to be extreme alpha, they don't allow conversation about comfort tests.
Can you please give some insight into this and what an appropriate amount of comfort is? Thank you
NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
When a woman seriously gets scared you know it, or should know it.
Just be able to comfort her when she really is near breaking.
Just saying:
"Hey, things are okay."
...in a compassinate voice can calm a woman down really fast.
CopperFox3c 9y ago
Here's u/NightwingTRP 's post about it on TRP a year or so ago. A good place to start reading:
The TRP Field Toolkit - Part 3: Shit tests and Comfort tests
Luckyluke23 9y ago
thanks gunna read this when i get back from the gym
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JudoMonk 9y ago
Thank you, this is refreshing to hear out of all of the "women are bitches" posts here, I so sick of reading that stuff and want to read more positive inspiration like this
671futbol 9y ago
Firstly, I like to thank you for the post. After being subscribed for 9month via friend suggestion, I actually (and finally) got behind what someone wrote up. I'd like to mention that I mainly enjoyed the calm and collected demeanor, since I am very much like that naturally.
Secondly, the part regarding her feeling "feminine" - I get your point and agree with the boundary part, but I don't understand is, how exactly you found out you made that impression on her?
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