We all know the chart and the RP philosophy, usually something like -- 'women enjoy the riches of sexual market and general histrionic overrated popularity in their early 20's and hit wall around 30, Men at 30 are (allegedly) only just walking into the grounds of their newly built castle, climbing the stairs to the roof to survey the land and to strategize what to conquer in their life (aside from personnel pursuits, this is basically when the women whom they couldn't attract before are now in an abundance). But personally I see a big contradiction and can't understand the logic.
Rollo mentions this in 'Dream Killer's' -
"If you are single at 35 with a moderate amount of personal success, you are the envy of man-dom because you possess two of the most valuable resources most men your age or older statistically do not – time and freedom. I envy you. You are unshackled by the responsibilities, liabilities and accountabilities that most men your age in marriages, LTRs, with children, or recovering from divorce must contend with daily. Without any intention you are in such a position that you can go in any direction of your choosing without considering the impact of your choice for anyone but yourself. Many other men, in the most ideal of LTRs, do not have this luxury."
Male SMV peaks around mid thirties, more than 10 years after a girl in his same demographic is at her beauty & bodily prime. So 33 year old Jack whom has had a few flings in his earlier years is now hot to trot and enters his high SMV paradigm - 32 year old Jenny at his work and and 29 year old Jane at the cafe want to be with Jack, as well as a multitude of other date-able but albeit older interests he is suddenly attracting. But he like most males Jack still just wants to go to bed with high SMV girls, the same types he wanted in his 20's - all of which are aged 17 - 24.
As discussed in various realms, girls seem to stick to men their age group, so these girls Jack likes and is attracted to are hooking up with college males or white & blue collar, early - mid twenties men, whom by a stroke of irony -> Have apparently the lowest SMV a male can have.
So basically Jack has the choice of one hundred women whom have rode the carousel for 10+ years? Wouldn't the men who are in their age group, bedding the women in their prime the ones with the high SMV? Obviously if this is the case than the charts are wrong.
If the 4's or whoever in their 20's are sleeping with all the best prime women whom all men want to sleep with, then these are the only high SMV males and is the reason for my confusion. Which sounds a lot like the argument that 20% of men (Alphas) are dating 80% of the women in the sexual market place.
Jack is still left with all the well worn 20+ notch, post wall women searching for beta bucks even though Jack is apparently an 8 and seemingly & rapidly according to all literature and discussion - 'going up in value' as he ages.
I find it hard to grasp and much of what is discussed seems to overlap and contradict, Would love to hear experiences and thoughts.

NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
Hypergamy
Women ride the Cock Carousel™ in their 20's "in search of" Mr Big™.
So the Cock Carousel™ is like practice for them... just toys to play with.
If a girl who is 24 and has had 10+ "rides" in the past meets Prime Time Joe who is 32 and doing well and demonstrates Alpha traits and has some $$$ then she seeks to lock down the guy.
If she fails (which happens often) then she falls back down to the lessor options and gets back on the Cock Carousel™ to ride what she can find.
When she reaches 30 she has hit the Wall hard and is worn out and exhausted. She significantly drops down to "anyone who has a few bucks and a pulse".
Women desire Access to the best men... this will always be true.
The only difference is that these days the "boy toys" are there for fucking and usually there are "beta orbiters" to act as an emotional tampon.
In the old days there were no "boy toys" and no "beta orbiters" so women had to take their choice very seriously. Women can make poor choices today and have no consequences. (which encourages many bad choices)
abdada 10y ago
I don't see this as true nor do I see it discussed in various realms.
When I hit 31 or so, the number of college girls flirting with me exploded versus when I was 27. When I hit my late 30s, I got even more IOIs from young women.
Women will bang the men who are highest SMV within their social circles and who they have access to. College women generally don't get hit on by dudes outside of college so they naturally stick with college aged dudes.
If you happen to live or work near a campus, you'll discover that being an older dude doesn't matter at all. Women will NOT go out of their way to find higher SMV guys, they assume they'll attract what they can attract.
I've plated women that I met in line at the university Target, FFS. If you aren't approaching, you won't discover reality.
masterpiece00 10y ago
Thank you for your opinion.
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abdada 10y ago
I run a business in a university district (something like 7 colleges nearby) so I'm always seeing gals at the local cafe, riding the bus with me, riding their bikes around (I bike to the beach from my shop), sometimes they'll even come into my business to see what we do, etc.
Normal every day life. See a cute gal, give her a cocky smile and see if she returns her own and mirrors my actions.
metallica11 10y ago
I have seen this same effect based on my experiences. Went to a college party (my brother is still in school) as a 31 year old. I noticeably look older than everyone, but I dress well/good haircut/in good shape, while most other guys at the party were slovenly dressed etc - reminded me of myself back then.
However, I was "that old guy" at the party. I never acted like one, but I could tell women were slightly uncomfortable after my age came out One of my brother's female friends told him that they felt weird having a 31 year old hit on them when they were 20-21.
Feel like you can't win. I've drastically improved my SMV but now I must date women who look far less attractive
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TheYoungPatriarch 10y ago
The SMV chart is exactly as you described, charts desirability/value of women from mens POV and men from womens POV for those in the same "age group." Using Rollo's chart to describe SMV of males to other age demographics is not the information the chart is designed to describe. If you try to use that chart for purposes other than for what its intended and for what data it represents will yeild contradictions. Because of user error... I.e: you. Go back to the drawing board.
NietzscheExplosion 10y ago
I suspect the dynamics are changing and more rapidly. As the 3-6 men start checking out like Japanese Herbivore men. Women's abundance mentality will take a fkin nose dive.
Our culture is not as homogenous as Japanese. The top 20% of men will abuse the power even more obviously causing an even more ridiculous response from Feminism, average women and even some wall-crazed scaredshitless ones.
What men (generally) do after that, will shape civilization for a hundred or more years.
kez88 10y ago
I don't believe ~35 is the peak SMV for men. If it is, thats just because thats a general median of population and u can date a few years higher or lower and be socially acceptable. Being 25, I can't speak from experience about how much vag u can slay in your mid 30's, but i very rarely hear of girls who are low 20's sleeping with guys in mid 30's. I've heard of it, but I MUCH more commonly hear of girls in low 20's sleeping with guys in mid 20's or a few years older than them. I'd definitely say its possible, its just rarer. Also being 35 you get all the loud annoying post wall complaining they can't have someone like you. All the girls who are married don't talk about how hot 35 y.o dudes are, because they're alreayd married to a 35 y.o dude probably
Govedo13 10y ago
Your assumption that all 17-24 y. hot girls are sleeping only with 20-28 y. old blue/ white collar males is based on what?
The said SMV charts that you cannot understand are based on actual facts. Like marriage/ divorce ratio between couples at same age versus couples with huge age difference. You also might want to check okpuid stats blog that confirms the same. The said stats blog confirms that the top 20% have it all. Look at the women response rates for example.
I know that the TRP truths might be ugly and the pill is bitter one, however when the logic,statistics and real life experience confirm it,it is realty.
TRP is not a ideology. TRP is toolbox- it is logical and based on easy to prove scientific physiological and social facts. Ideology is something like religion - you cannot prove it mathematically.
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i have a hard time with this male peaking at 35 theory. I understand why redpill says that but generally speaking girls in their peak smv years fuck guys that are their age (18-25) not 35 from what i have seen. Maybe has to do with logistics but still.