Good work. I wish I had that kind of balls at your age. A few words of advice I'll add is never ever do food on a first date. Always pick an activity. Doesn't matter what. Mini golf, bowling, arts festival, gallery stroll, go to the arcade, whatever. Stuff like this frames the date as fun. If the conversation goes stale, you can focus on the activity as opposed to sitting in awkward silence as you've found out on your food date. Activities also makes Kino much easier. When you first see her start with the easiest one, a hug. The next easiest one I like is when you open a door for her, guide her in with your hand on the small of her back. After that, touch her leg or arm when you are about to say something. Playful bumps, shoves, get creative and keep escalating to the kiss that's bound to happen.

One other big thing is to be relaxed and comfortable, even if you're not. This is effective not just on dates but any social situations. It will help put everyone at ease, yourself included, and help the convo flow.

Keep at it and you'll be slaying in no time.

Thanks RedBloodline for a wonderfully homest and well written OP -- it's well worthy of being stickied as you cover so much so well, and you have really tried to get DOING the things you're learning about here, about self improvement and the SMV benefits it carries, as well as the wonderful information on The Truth about the 'Blue Pill' world and how taking TRP will change your life forever, things can never be the same!

I could say so much to you but two things stood out where I feel I may be able to help

Tapped her lightly on the shoulder. I had previously only seen her from behind so when she turned around I got even more nervous. This girl was way out of my league.

BALLSY bro! Talk about 'getting into it' ... and swinging for the fences with some HB, I like it!

First thing that came up to me was "I like your glasses, makes you look smarter.". As I said this I was cringing so hard from inside.

The elementary mistakes you made here were:

whenever you approach a girl, already have an idea of how you're going steer the conversation -- and preferably make a statement as your opening comment to her, as if you're already in the middle of a conversation with her and are now making another remark; i.e. (at a bus stop, IF it's windy) "Gee it's windy, I quite like it"- Her "Yes it's sure wild compared to yesterday, I can't say I'm a big fan of this 'change of seasons blustery weather" an IOI of a response, ,, or maybe she just says "Yeah" and looks away? So what? NBD,, and at which point there's probably no point in pushing it further! So don't, move on, Abundance right?

Or you're at a bar/club that has bands/DJ's so you might say "The Foobars are playing first, Yeah?" -- that's a question framed as a statment, they comes across a bit more 'self assertive' and confident

To use this method to begin talking as if you're in "mid conversation" with the girl takes a little practice BUT if you've got the balls to cold approach, more power to you little bro, this is for You!-

sometimes the girls can be a bit taken aback, as, for a split second, you've knocked them off balance and out of control psychologically, but they'll usually respond in a similar way to how you asked, women will naturally accept a mans lead if it's an acceptable request. You Need to "express your confidence and comfortabilty with yourself" in those first few lines (and then it's ALL up to what you say and do next.)

ProTip: And IF she's giving you lots of IOI's --- after a few minutes of chatting, when she's looked away for a minute FADE! And go do the same thing to another girl -- and then 'reappear' 30mins later to "continue the conversation" and then Fade again -- by the 3rd time you return, if this chick wants to get with you she'll be letting you Know coz she doesn't want you to 'fade' again and possibly not return! ((especially If she's seen you talking to other women, her hamster will be working overtime and ready for you to "take control of and soothe") "she's just a friend, you're waaay more than that, you're .... Big Grin, stop talking ... 'Her" "whaaaaaaat? What are you smiling about?" (she knows Full Well, it's a shit test 101) but you can simply deflect and change the subject

TL:DR Keep her/them guessing

Oh, and NEVER 'tap a girl on the shoulder'! (cringe!) Bro, just 'appear' within her peripheral vision or even right beside her, and after 20-30secs when you notice her turn your way, just casually "make your remark/statement/question"

Next was; and is a Perfect example of what you mentioned about RSD Tyler 'confusing too much RP ideas at once'

Made statements instead of directly asking a question to avoid this turning into an interview as I read on here a few times.

Matey, Game 101, Rule 1: "Women tend to Love to talk about themselves!

So the 'art' of starting a productive conversations IS "asking questions" BUT, the type that allows the other person to talk about themselves, (something most women love to do) but once they've said enough, they settle down and become more comfortable with you and then it's easier for everyone. It doesn't always work, but it's my go to and I do ok :D

And as you know, ask questions, not as an 'interrogation' and try to be original, not "what do you do for work, do you like it" but more something like:

"I saw these guys hot air ballooning across the city one morning and I think it would be a really fun thing to do. The views, So quiet, like a bird! Would you be up for doing it?" -- to which a common response would be "Oooh nooo! I'm scared of heights" Or, "IDK if I'd trust a baloon!" or "Didn't you see that ballon crash into the powerlines and everyone on board was fried?!? 0.0

Now, at that point, you've got several more things you know about her, which gives you more things you can ask her more about to get her talking about herself, you can make a joke here and there, throw in some personal anecdotes and before you know it, a couple of drinks later she's telling you stuff "she never tells anyone" ,, and the conversation is flowing easily, hehe! And then you know you're in for some Fun!

The thing is that I was not getting much back except for maybe 3-4 words. This felt so fucking shit. What was I doing wrong?

I hope I was able to answer that question in this post, feel free to PM me bro if you have ANY questions or want some feedback about whatever.

Thanks again for such an Honest and well written OP

Good FR. The anger is natural and will pass if you adopt the right attitude. You will never have much luck with women if you deal with them from a place of anger; choose indifference over hate if you must. Women are people too, they can potentially be an ally or an enemy like anyone else. It gets easier as you learn the nature of men and women instead of the politically correct fantasy much of the western world is drown in.

At your age you must be aware your biological imperative to reproduce is at its strongest your entire life and will cloud your judgement for nature to get it's way so remember to always cover your ass. Some of the irrational seeming things women do in men's minds is their way of satisfying their biological imperatives and are sometimes impaired in judgement by their hormones too. It's nothing personal just the business of nature. Women socially have the upper hand and act like the in-demand party but it's really the other way around in the end. ~54 percent of the worlds population is women, technically men are the minority. You will never have the time, energy, or money to meet them all even after you filter out the ineligible. You can say and do the same things and one girl will say no and another one may say yes.

You are correct in not binging on info. What I suggest is work on yourself; lift, read, practice. Read the sidebar and put TRP down a few days and just go out and work on things to get experience. Then come back and re-read to glean new insights with more experience then go back out and repeat honing your knowledge. That technique works for more than TRP in life you may find.

Good luck man.

Double fist pumps OP! Never stop approaching! Welcome to TRP and carry your awesome enthusiasm everywhere you go!

Learn about frame bro. Confidence alone can skyrocket your SMV.

It's really a numbers game man, especially if you pick up at bars. You're like buckshot, you spray and pray. Most of it will be a total miss, but you don't give a shit, you're in for the couple hits you do randomly score. You may not realize it but the environment itself is working against you, girls are expecting to be approached nonstop and expecting to turn down everyone as cruelly as possible, it's all just part of the game there and you never take it personal, simply keep on trucking with zero thoughts about the one that just walked away. Next! Next! NEXT! Becoming a beastly no-fucks-given approach machine may feel shitty at first, but it'll steer you in exactly the right direction where all the further more subtle refinements of your game are already waiting for you to come take them aboard.

In fact it's kinda reassuring to know you cannot possibly completely fail with this "horror buckshot" approach. Some girl will always want to go for it, no matter how low SMV you look and feel at the moment, there's always going to be that unquantifiable factor that just makes her into you, you don't know why. So you smirk and ride the wave as it comes at you, as best you are able. Slowly, by steps and bounds you realize that a girl's judgements about you do not mean shit, she's not evaluating you in any objective way, and you don't even need her approval in the first place to feel good. The Red Pill takes on these "holy shit" enlightenment moment qualities the deeper you go, and you become frighteningly, excitingly free.

The actual skill of not giving a fuck about repeated "failure" and "awkwardness" is itself at the core of your RP toolset, and you'll be amazed how much girls are attracted by it, once it grows on you some more. They can SMELL that devil-may-care seen-it-all-before attitude on a man, and to girls it's somehow a sure sign that you're amazing. (Ha Ha Har)

Your response style and the funnies you used with the girls show great potential, if you ask me. You're just short on practice for now. You're going to be a major smart-alec heartbreaker once you put in the time and adjust, it's already obvious.

Awesome work on being honest with yourself.

RSD Tyler's

I like RSD.. .but bear in mind their business model is "pay us to tell you how you can say the right words and get any hot girl into your bed". Some stuff about inner game. Very little truth about women. Those guys know TRP very well, but their focus is on verbal/physical game rather than the importance of your SMV. Fits with their business model.

That being said... the bits that they do talk about, they're very good at and their stuff has helped me a lot.

"I like your glasses, makes you look smarter."

Actually this is a great line.

"I don't talk to strangers."

Not a shit test, not the truth. It's a line to get rid of you. Oh well, next, whatever :)

Great work on your approaches and numbers and date. Keep it going like this and everything just gets easier and better. And keep hitting the gym... and focus on your life purpose and mission and learn to make it a higher priority than women.

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Im honestly surprised other young people browse TRP. Good on you man, good on you.

Stickied as an example to other newcomers.

This is how it starts. With small victories. Big ones will come later.

Came here from the subreddit of the week thread.. That was closed by a girl moderator because feelz. Not surprising.

Keep learning, keep getting rejected because getting rejected doesn't mean shit, but it means you're out there putting in the work. You don't get rejected of you don't try, so keep going until you get it. I was 17 when I figured it out way back in the 80s. Once I got it I was off on a wild sex adventure. Two weeks after the first I got the second, a very sexy redhead, and the number kept climbing. My batting average is very low, I was rejected a lot, but only the yes counts and is remembered.

The big thing I'll advise is, never get married, wrap it up and take it home with you. The fastest way to fuck up your future is by being forced to pay some bitch for 20 years.

Keep trying, continue learning.

How did you started all with just few days and there are people who still mentally masturbate with TRP after even 2 years, what is the difference, if you were beta as same as most of people here. Most of us have similar starting point but you started within first week while others still masturbate..

That's a lot of progress in a week and you should be proud with how far you've gone!

Your ability to own your results, good or bad, is a very strong trait and as many have said already, finding this stuff out before you even leave high school...

Your college years are going to be truly insane!

And for the record: "I like your glasses, they make you look smarter." Is pure gold. I'm going to use it myself. You just complimented the chick on her glasses and said she's stupid at the same time. That's awesome!

I think it's awesome you are figuring this out at 17.

Think about what you just did in just a short amount of time: You studied the material and took immediate actions to better yourself.

You then withdrew and went out in to the world, faced 8 rejections, got 2 numbers and 1 date. The date was shit (probably more due to the venue you met this person and frankly your age group, which is not a knock, just the truth).

The fact that you did this is an awesome start.

Approaching and dealing with rejection is such a good thing to experience, and will help you a lot when it comes to business ($$) and women in the future. You are at the beginning of an awesome journey and it will only get better if you stick to it.

At some point I just had no idea what else to say and things got really awkward. Supposedly I shouldn't stay 'in my head', but my mind was just blank. I had nothing to say anymore. Don't really know how I can improve on that.

A question for the experienced guys:

How do you get through this situation? I happens to me a lot and I'm completely lost.

For complete info on game, read roosh's Bang and day bang, or mark Manson's Models.

Another thing missing: at 17, your life experience is naught compared to a guy who is 27 who's hitchhiked through Europe, learned to surf, read many classic books, developed a passion for whiskey. Invest some of that time you freed up in gaining life experience.

Great Post OP

Keep doing what you're doing it'll all pay off later. I have some things i can contribute to your issues.

Don't do food dates, it requires a lot of talking. Unless you have a whole lot of stories to tell of exciting things you've done, avoid this. Instead, do exciting things: kayak, fish, go to the park, have a dog? Dog park, roller blade, cycling, swimming, beach, hiking, mountain climbing. Action dates are always better, because it's much easier to lead her, and for her to feel that masculine side of you. So do something you're good at.

Download this app called 36 questions. It has tons of interesting questions, you might enjoy talking about with different people. The more you have these conversations with different girls, the better you'll get at answering and figuring out what works, what doesn't work, and more importantly, what it is you actually value. You'll kill hours talking. But choose a comfortable location to talk. The beach on a towel, a picnic, a swing set at a park, it just all depends on your area. Somewhere you can break the touch barrier easily. Somewhere around the time when you're talking, look at her body language. If she's smiling and receptive to you, kiss her. She'll be completely open to it. Women enjoy good conversations of substance, as long as you're not saying mushy shit, you're making her laugh and using kino you're good. Once you start kissing and touching it's over.

Little by little as you raise your SMV and go on dates, you'll be unaffected by women, and you'll become more and more stoic. What will begin to matter is your happiness. Instead of getting women, or impressing others. Enjoy your journey.

Dude, you are lucky. I am 28 and have to catch up quite a bit. Keep up the work, it will pay out - in all life areas ;)

Got rid of my LoL account (I played about 40 hours a week, if not more). Felt really fucked up, I vomited when the confirmation e-mail came through.

Nice job and welcome! That vomit was hot blue filth leaving your body.

I was not getting much back except for maybe 3-4 words. This felt so fucking shit. What was I doing wrong?

Caring to much what she says or doesn't say. Leave her sitting there while you go talk to another girl and she will open right up. Also, girls don't always use "words" to speak. Use her language- emotions. She is not a guy friend that you are going to discuss the nuances of politics and philosophy.

Read the Book of Pook immediately. Pook will get your head on straighter, quicker, than anybody else.

You're doing everything great and putting a lot more effort into this than the majority of posters here.. It's just a matter of doing this over and over and seeing what works for you. I'd suggest checking out good looking loser on youtube and employing some of his approach anxiety exercises.

Welcome!

Looks like you're off to a great start. It will all come with time. Take everything in moderation (including this sub) and stay positive.

P.S. Don't fear silence.

Only thing to keep in mind is that you are young. Your SMV can increase by working on yourself but keep in mind it will naturally increase over time. Therefore, keep trying over time and you will get where you want to get.

I'm 17 as well and I found this powerpoint to be extremely helpful.

"Way out of your league." You are a man and she is a woman, that's all there is. Let HER decide that.

You are doing good. Results take a while. How are your work/study right now? At that age you should focus on that and lifting.

Good job taking action.

On the club scene: your tapping her on the shoulder isn't bad, but it isn't good. Try to catch her glance or meet her eyes when you can; it can slightly warm up an otherwise "cold" approach.

There's a whole field of subcommunication you can explore, before the first words are exchanged.

Your nerves are normal. People without nerves on a first meeting are uncommon. I have progressively (over time) internally reframed them to myself as excitement, which allows me to enjoy them rather than dread them. Much like soreness after lifting became the feeling of progress. It altered that feeling to something I missed when I'd skip a day or days working out. Different people have different degrees of nerves and you have to start where you are and work with that.

Your date actually wasn't bad as a learning experience. Next time take things another step or so. The reason you bailed was that you didn't know where you were going. Think about that. What would you have liked to have happened? Next time, try something else, and see if you like what happens then.

Good job on taking action. Dont do eat dates when you havent made a connection yet. With an eat date you never know if shes genuinly interested or using you for a free meal.

Awkwardness could just be her not being into you due to low SMV. Could also be you being nervous, too much in your head, lack of physical contact, not making her comfortable enough etc.

Id focus on lifting and just getting more social experience for a bit. Youll get better with time. Also dont wear graphiv tshits.

Good for you man, keep it up, ignore the pricks...like the world isn't shit enough, people gotta come online and try to shit on people...same team, ass hats

Sounds like you're already starting to win bro, keep it up!

This was so satisfying to read. I'm so happy for you bro.

Hell yeah little brother. Just keep at it. Read, digest, implement, practice, improve, repeat. I wish I had found TRP theory when I was a teen. Proud of you. Go go go.

first thing she said was "I don't talk to strangers." Don't know why you would say that

What she said was "I don't talk to those who have no obvious social proof or pre-selection" If she saw you be cheered upon your arrival by your friends, followed by somebody through the bar, or recognized by the bartender, you would have heard an entirely different reply.

If you continue to work on you, it will come to you.

Good job so far! 2 tips to improve:

1. Never eat on the first date, save that for 3rd or 2nd date. Go for a walk or something fun.

2. Touch her (kino) you wont go anywhere if you don't touch her.

Here are the 5 steps of kino:

1. Kino the target as you would and should to anyone in the group. Light elbow and shoulder touches and plenty of em. DO IT ASAP!!! The longer you wait the more awkward it's going to be later. Do this in conjunction with attraction material. Stand the same length away as you would with a dude and make sure you're not invading they're psychological space. Stand at an angle and be open. This is still friendly, non- threatening touching. She should be laughing and bantering with you.

2. The set has hooked, they like you and want you to stay. Step a little closer; a satranger would feel a bit uncomfortable with where you are at. I'll start doing play hugs now when I call her a brat or bust on her for something. I'll kino behind the back and probably on the hip. You're still sorta perpendicular and her psychological space is still safe. This is still in attraction phase.

3. She likes you now and is attracted. She likes you, but needs to know more. Lighten up on the attraction, do some light rapport and vibing. Start gather facts and getting to know her now. Now when you kino, it is more special and personal, your hands will stay for a few seconds, slide them down her arm, across her back. Also now you will turn in to her and invade her psychological space you are face to face with her and a stranger would step back from you. Start mirroring her a bit. I might kino both hands on her hips when I am saying something deep. Also the point of the psychological space invasion is in part to isolate; this is how that "Bubble" is created where it is just you and her. Try to isolate here if you like.

4. Even closer now. I'll be perpendicular to her again, but my arm is around her and our hips are probably touching. I can leave my hand behind her and on her hip. The hand test (If you grab her hand, she'll hold on to it) should work here or in step 3. I'll bring down my tone and whisper in her ear, I should get face to face kino. I can also reach across her body and kino her hip and leave my hand there. a sincere complement would be nice here too :). This is also the step where she will start to kino you back and leave her hands on you or drag them after kinoing.

5. It's like 4, but now you should slip your hand behind her neck and play with her hair, pull it a bit and rest your hand on her neck. If she lets you, she should be available to kiss. You should be able to get VERY close to her face, like an inch and she won't back away. initiate the kiss how ever you want. I like to just lock eyes, slide one hand over her shoulder and behind her neck and pull her in for a kiss. Slow and steady, don't force it. The only good thing that stupid movie Hitch said that was true was the "90/10 rule" go in 90% for the kiss and she should come 10%, if she doesn't, she doesn't want to kiss you.

Started looking up on here what I should say blablabla. Couldn't really find anything good for beginners on that topic

This is so true, it's the hardest shit about TRP.. I've found this sub 1.5years ago, and have never found any good advice on talking, no matter how much I searched or asked for it..

As you said in your OP, my mind also just blanks out often when conversing with people (not just girls) and no matter how much experience I try to get, it's barely helping unfortunately, but I'm still trying.

Good on you OP. You are off to a flying start in life. Just keep it up. One thing which is missing from your post is your mission. You should have some idea what you want to do or be and work towards it everyday. If you focus on your mission and the gym, then everything else in life will be easier. Add in meditation and practising game and you will be unstoppable in life. I am a successful businessman in my early 40s and I can already tell you will go very far with your attitude.

TRP need more men like you. Not theory geniuses that are in rage phase for 20 years and write AWALT stories all day long, but people who go outside, get experience first hand and learn from it.

To other newbies on TRP: op's post is an example of how to post correctly.

• You read the sidebar
• You mark your post correctly (in op's case: Field Report)
• You format it well with paragraphs and shit
• You state your age early on, so if old farts dgaf about your teenage problems, they can skip the rest.

To everyone else getting all harsh with the teenager:

We know he doesn't have much to contribute at this point, but he followed the rules, so no need to curb stomp him.

OP, When you are on a first date with a girl try to do something that doesn't result in you both sitting on a table facing each other. Instead take her to a museum or a bowling alley, have a few alcoholic drinks in a trendy bar whilst both of you sitt on bar stools rubbing arms but not facing her. The alcohol will loosen her tongue and shield.

The date doesn't have to be totally bases on conversation.

For example if you take her to a museum you'll find that you'll have a lot more topics to discuss with her due to visual stimulation and the conversation will flow easier. Your also in a better position to give and receive what is called kino (light body contact)

Give it a try on your next date and see if it helps. GL

Loved this read. Always brings a smile to my face seeing the first few steps of the newbie. Settle in, for the road ahead is long and hard, but the results will be there.

To cover off what you appear to be looking for... there are two text guides I'd recommend, both as parts of online/internet/mobile dating guides.

• The first one comes as part of a more generalised guide for online dating by my buddy /u/OmLaLa - who in my opinion (and others) set the gold standard when he wrote this - Link
• The second one is a guide for Tinder game by /u/JayGatsbyFan which has some good text examples with outcomes. Worth bookmarking for when you can get on Tinder - Link

Last but not least, for when you're out in the field running game on chicks, you can check my submissions history to find my TRP Field Toolkit. It's a 4 part series outlining and explaining all base game used to navigate the vast majority of situations you'll ever come up against in the field, taking you from meeting to sex. Best of luck lad! Send any questions to AskTRP and you'll likely get covered by at least one Endorsed Red Pill Man.

Since you bought the Buff Dudes training program I assume you have no issues investing money in this, so I WARMLY recommend buying the two RooshV books, "Bang" and "Day Bang". These are going to be your bibles for the Game, and help you in all the issues you've written about it this post.

Fuck man, I wish I discovered TRP at that age instead of 36.

Can you PM me the post you talked about in the beginning?

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