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iggybdawg

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So, last week I went with my wife to a parent/teacher conference with my 1st grade son's teacher. Let's call him Guy+. The teacher talked about how Guy is so nice all the time and so good to all the kids, but only part of the class likes him. There's another boy, let's call him Dude+. The teacher said Dude has an older brother who's exceptionally mean to him. Dude comes to class and usually is as sweet as can be, but on days Dude's brother has been bad to him, Dude is in such a bad mood that he says and does terrible things to his classmates. Every kid loves Dude. It drives the teacher and my wife crazy because they think Guy is more deserving. I'm instantly reminded of my history of being nice to all beta times and my current efforts to kill my inner beta.

Later that day, I told my wife "We need to make sure Guy learns that he doesn't have to be nice to everyone, in fact it's important he learns to not be nice to kids who are mean to him." She initially resisted, but I continued to relate to her the story I think I read in either No More Mr Nice Guy or Married Life Sex Primer or both on an experiment of giving a lever to rats in a cage. Lever does nothing, they learn to ignore it, lever gives food every time, they pull it when hungry, lever gives food some of the time, the rats furiously pull it all day long to ensure they have enough food since they know they can't trust it. The kids are triggered by Dude's unreliable niceness to try harder to get Nice Dude instead of Mean Dude, not knowing that Dude's behavior has nothing to do with their behaviors. Guy is Nice Guy all the time, so the kids don't value his niceness. It's freely given to all, so has no value. Where I read the rat lever story, it was explaining the plight of the nice guy, exactly the previous 5 years or so of my marriage until I started deep diving into red pill knowledge, he's nice and sometimes gets sex, but erroneously believes he got sex because of being nice, so when the sex is unreliable, he turns up the niceness.

+names changed to protect the innocent.

TL/DR son in first grade, already showing signs of inheriting my natural Nice Guy state. Want to teach him not to be nice to the undeserving.

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iggybdawg 11y ago

Looking back, I think my parents tried but failed. I was a frequent "LJBF" reciever. Both my parents would tell me to stop giving these girls my time and find other girls.

I think they were just not framing it in a way I would believe it. It was too much nuanced hinting and not enough firm direct statements of "LJBF is mean!" "they will never want you!"

legendofpasta 11y ago

Have you ever tried to explain this to people who need it in real life? Its just like the red pill in the matrix... the older people are, the less likely they can take it. I know I was sick when I first had the epiphany. A lot of people can't take it, and won't take it, and accuse 'sexism' and 'misogyny' at the mention of it.

Teaching it to sons should be really important, but how does one teach these topics to a child? I have a nephew... It's my sister's child, and she's raising him in the most beta of all ways. From an early age, she's dressed him in pink, got his right ear peirced (at the age of 8) and has put him in only gymnastics and figure skating. He tells me people make fun of him all the time. I don't know what to do. I told her to put him in football, because it did ALOT for me growing up, but she says football is a sport for jerks.

She divorced my brother in law because he was taking naps after work, and making pizza for dinner sometimes. Screwed him for child support for three kids... She kept the house and gets all his money and is raising the kids to be ultra beta. . . He lives in a 1 bedroom apartment and gives all his money to her, and still does all the plumbing and housework there, never gets a thank you...

I mean... I know how women have behaved to me, but damn, look at what my own sister is doing to THIS guy and the kids!! I wish I could give red pills to everyone, before this happens to them

EDIT After she divorced Good Guy Greg, she started dating a 49 y/o guy who had been to federal prison 3 times for con artistry. He conned a church out of 40k. This guy then ran away with my LITTLE sister, who was 28 years his junior.

Hypergamy. Beta abuse. This is what red pill knowledge can save you from

iggybdawg 11y ago

I think you are going aggressively against your sister with the most extreme counter option. Probably it would be better if you work directly with your nephew on this. Tell him to suggest that he would rather do something like soccer instead of gymnastics and figure skating (damn those sound expensive). Find out what he really wants to do.

My wife hates american football, but she had the idea of putting our son in soccer. I deflected any suggestions of gymnastics with a "we can't afford that" excuse.

At my highschool, the soccer team was just as good if not better at getting pussy, probably because they were state champs, and our American football team was nearly always defeated.

Also, tell your nephew if he doesn't like his earring, he doesn't have to wear it. He's old enough to dress himself. That's something maybe I needed to believe in Highschool that I didn't take to heart until my twenties, that my parents were fallible and often wrong, and it wasn't the end of the world to assert my independence. I guess I didn't get there until I had true physical independence.

Hmm, does your sister's ex have time with your nephew, maybe you could reach out and hang out altogether. That's something I've thought of in the past. I like my brother-in-law enough that if I got divorced from my wife, I'd still like to hang out with him. He's currently having trouble with trying to be a man going his own way, but his sister (my wife) and their parents are giving him shit for approaching 30 and still not married. Now I know that he's not yet reached his peak SMV. English is not their first language, and my wife was mad I taught him the phrase "don't stick your dick in crazy".

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Lol, that was a pretty funny ass thread, I thought my blue pill days were bad till I read through that one ~

iggybdawg 11y ago

It's true, it's difficult not to be labeled sexist misogynists.

I tell my coworkers these days the things I do and say to my wife and they are horrified... but she can't get enough of it. I'm much happier than before taking my redpill, but so is my wife. She likes when I take charge, she likes when I tell her when she's wrong. She likes it when I tell her my opinion, especially when it's different than hers. If she can't trust me to tell her the truth, can she really trust me at all?

legendofpasta 11y ago

I've seen that post, and I just shake my head at it. And posts asking womyn for relationship advice... I weep for this society.

I have been thinking about going to the czech republic. The society there is very traditional. Women aren't the feminist harpies they are in North America, and the guys are basically all beta, but over there its ok because family values are paramount.

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legendofpasta 11y ago

Which is sad... seddit was, during my formative time, very useful. I actually became very successful at pickup, which taught me a lot about women's true nature. No one who has been as successful with them as I have been could ever argue is favour of white knightery.

Example:my most vocal opponent in my real life is a guy who is a virgin, 25 years old. Never known a woman's touch. Thinks they can do no wrong. One day when he realizes how the world works, he is going to be crushed.

Anyone with experience knows the truth. I think a lot of the reason we have so much opposition is that most people are AFC/blue pill/beta.

iggybdawg 11y ago

My current plan is to simply start with "you must not be nice to people who aren't nice to you". and then later I can open it up when he hits puberty with nuggets like "'let's just be friends' is definitely NOT NICE"

Other topics will be harder, like "trust and believe a person's actions whenever their words and actions don't agree"

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IT'd be nice to see how this goes.

I'm definitely curious how a child would react to these home lessons when he's constantly bombarded with opposing concepts - specially from television.

Just be careful with "you must not be nice to people who aren't nice to you" - sometimes we must be 'nice' to people who have more power over the situation than we do - I'm not sure if a kid can grasp this concept.

Have you talked to your kid? How is it going?

iggybdawg 11y ago

It's interesting, because he seems to be in a phase of "that's not fair!" Whenever I said "that's not fair!" my mom just said "Life isn't fair!" So I'm trying to spin it with my son as "It's totally fair... if you know the rules!" He seems to be picking up on it somewhat.

Anyway, yeah, I see how it could backfire if he takes it as absolute and thinks teachers, bosses, or parents aren't being nice to him. It's tough. But I'm starting with showing him by example by not giving him anything he wants unless he asks and acts nice about it. I try the ignore tactic, but my wife is more confrontational.

At the same time, I'm trying my hardest to teach both my kids to recognize when they are hurting themselves. I had trouble getting sex in highschool and college, and had trouble with money till my late twenties. I blamed others, but it wasn't until I blamed myself that I was able to fix those problems.