tl;dr Marriage lasted six months. I guess loyalty wasn't her thing.
Scramble
I was falling.
Her naked, weak body was practically on top of me, and I loved every nano-second of it. Glowing together after our first fuck, we felt nothing but each other's skin and the warm fuzziness of sleep approaching.
I was falling for her.
Three years later she walked down the aisle towards me. She was beaming, and I was breathless. We made it. It was the best day of my life.
"I have an idea," she said as I was scrambling eggs. It was a lazy Saturday morning, a treat for newly weds two months into matrimony. The living room wall still had bridal shower decorations. The fridge had a scribbled post-it about our upcoming honeymoon in Hawaii, still several weeks out. I mumbled, "What's up, love," from the kitchen as I studied our breakfast, trying to scramble to perfection. Our marriage just started, but she already declared the beginning of the end:
Why don't we divorce and go on our honeymoon as friends?
The eggs burned.
About Me
I come from a conservative upbringing. My teens and twenties were prototypical beta/bluepill, striving for a decent career, a sweet girlfriend, and maybe a family of my own.
Everyone was wrong about dating. By my late twenties, my internal compass led me away from beta/bluepill paradigms. Like Darwin on Galapagos Island, I took notes of my own little semi-alpha/redpill truths and tactics. Don't get a girlfriend, focus on having fun. Fuck her within three dates. Lead her; don't fall for her girly bullshit. Make out with her on the first date. I made progress in the sack, and I was damn proud of my Red Pill training wheels.
However, there is something that held me back, not only with women but in life: depression. Now, this isn't the clinical kind where I need supervision and medication, nor have I ever attempted suicide, and the few professional therapists I've met would agree I'm functionally healthy in the head. That being said, getting out of bed and feeling good about myself are the two most difficult things ever. It fucking sucks.
Then I met her.
Absinthe
I fell for her because she looked great naked. She fell for me because of my junior-alpha tactics. At the time I had just switched careers. It was a very risky move, since I left a decently-paying stable job and I knew I would struggle financially for some time, but my internal compass was leading me to bigger things.
Madly in love, the first year together was awesome. My dismal income as her boyfriend didn't matter because she was doing okay in her own career. I moved in with her and she paid for a lot of stuff.
A new romance doesn't cure depression, it turns out. There were many days I couldn't get out of bed, let alone do bigger things in my new career. I struggled and she tried to help, as any loving girlfriend would. I promised her the world.
My conservative upbringing kicked in, so I proposed. The day we were engaged is when her shit tests went from Bud Light to illegal hallucinatory absinthe, to a point where they were not tests anymore, but simply shit. Not even three hours had passed before she went full hypergamy on me, which lasted... until the day we filed for divorce.
- How are we going to pay for the wedding?
- Why aren't you making any money?
- Why are so unmotivated to work?
- Can you find a part time job to make more money for us?
- Can you go back to your old job? Wasn't that good money?
- How can we have a baby with you're like this?
- You can't even get out of bed every morning.
- How are we supposed to go on nice vacations when you're like this?
- We need a new car soon. How are we going to buy that?
- I don't want you to make a lot of money. I need you to make some money now.
- I don't want to move to a cheaper apartment.
- Why do you get to do what you want in your career while I'm stuck at mine?
- I know you're depressed but you still have to make money for us.
- Get a salary job or we're done.
- Will we be friends after we divorce? What will our friends think of us after we divorce?
My favorite line is still the one that burned the eggs. We did make it to Hawaii as husband and wife, but the love was dying already. In the four nights at the romantic resort, we fucked once. And she didn't even let me finish.
Fights got worse. If we weren't fighting, the silence was deafening. One morning she screamed in the shower. It sounded like an exorcism. I pulled the curtain back only to see her look up at me, naked, panting in a deep feminine rage, her eyes focused on mine. That was it for me. I nodded quietly at her, packed a few things, and headed out. I knew that was the beginning of the end. A few weeks later we agreed to an amicable, no-contest divorce. We couldn't get rid of each other fast enough.
Looking Back
I married her and endured her shit, as much as I could. It was seven hellish months of marriage, which actually could have ended a lot quicker. What can I say? I was beta/bluepill then and, to my horror now, I actually blamed myself for her hypergamous, money-obsessed attitude. If I can make a little money, she will be happy with me. It turns out that wasn't true because once I moved out, I got a decently paying freelance job. What was her reaction? The woman didn't care for it.
Suicide was never an option, but after I moved out dark days were had on my end. Luckily, there's Reddit.
As a boyfriend, everything is still cute and sexy. As a fiance, things get a little serious. As a husband, make no mistake. You are only a paycheck to your wife, and everything else comes second. She is your wife.
The woman does not care for your struggles. Struggling with mental health? It doesn't matter. You need to man up, snap out of it, stop being selfish, and provide for her as her husband. Her nice life is at stake. She is your wife.
You exist to finance her comfortable lifestyle which she can share with female friends and on social media. My ex-wife never posted on facebook except for pics of fine dining and vacations. I want everyone to know I am living this nice life. I am his wife.
She wants to cut back on work, or maybe even quit her job. Maybe you're beta-bux enough to suggest it, once you can carry both yourself and her financially, because that makes you feel like a man. On top of that, her job is harder than yours, regardless of what either of your occupations are. She is your wife.
The woman does not care for struggling with you. Do you want to build a business? Do you want to go to medical school? Are you planning a career in architecture, writing, photography, research, acting or politics? Pick any path where you pay very hard dues for several years, and she does not want to go there with you.
"I would rather have you earn $50k a year than for us to struggle like this," my ex would say. She was making twice that at the time, so we could have lived modestly but comfortably on her salary alone, while I crafted my new career and eventual business. But no, her nice life was at stake. She would rather live a faux-luxury lifestyle that led nowhere, instead of struggling a little bit in order to enjoy the fruits of a small empire as king and queen.
To a woman, a man must be a finished product. Work-in-progress is worthless. What good is a beta husband if there is no bux to him?
Looking Ahead
I thank every day I am alive.
Divorce was finalized a few months ago. I have no hard feelings for my ex-wife. I wish her well, as I would for any person. There are no regrets, no bitterness. The memories of loving, fucking and marrying her sting less by the day. I am already looking back fondly on some stuff. Sure, it was a rude awakening, but I am better for it, completely.
I am thirty-three years old. Life for me now is simple and beautiful. I switched paths again and currently I'm building a business, something that combines my skills and experiences from my entire working history. By the end of this year I hope to have a small team working for me. I always disliked the label, but it was only until recently I called myself for who I really am: an entrepreneur.
I also lift, read, write, network, and go easy on the dating scene, for now. Being in semi-monk mode, my number one priority is building my business, and the focus and dedication seems to offset my depression more than anything else has before.
Along with a thriving business and better body, I plan on slaying local college red-heads within a year or two, maybe then I can take off the Red Pill training wheels. Marriage is dead for me, so is romance, and I can't be any happier.
Because hypergamy is the only bitch I love.
Lessons Learned
Elon Musk is divorcing the same woman for the second time. Take a goddamn hint.

SnailSwag 10y ago
What happened in the shower than morning? Was she just screaming in anger for no damn reason?
TomFoo 10y ago
We had been fighting over money awhile. She had enough.
CraftingAmbition 10y ago
"To a woman, a man must be a finished product. Work-in-progress is worthless."
Holy shit, you just took an abstract thought I've been struggling to put into words and wrote it out perfectly. Well done, OP!
Also, I really enjoyed your writing style. Felt very fluid. I hope you contribute more writings in the future.
stawek 10y ago
As Bill Burr said it: women don't care about the race. They don't want to share your struggle. They are waiting on the finish line for the winners, with a transparent saying "blowjobs here".
TomFoo 10y ago
Thanks but I think the phrase has been used in trp/manosphere. Looking fwd to writing more here.
hailhailhailandkill 10y ago
She didn't have red flags, red flags had her.
badkarma5833 10y ago
Do you still suffer from depression? I'm not a doctor or anything but you might wanna get your Testosterone checked just to make sure everything is ok.
TomFoo 10y ago
Yes I still do. It's a combo of depression and ADD, but nothing serious. I just get into a bad habit of self defeating thoughts which leads to a downward spiral.
badkarma5833 10y ago
If you can I would get your T levels checked. Its a simple blood test. Low T can cause all those symptoms just FYI.
TomFoo 10y ago
Hmm I will look into it. I've been trying to fap less too.
benuntu 10y ago
Thanks for sharing, but I urge you to seriously consider seeing a therapist if you can't get out of bed due to depression. It sounds like you're in a better place now, but seeing a good therapist is like changing the oil in your car. It's maintenance and will keep you on a positive and healthy course.
TomFoo 10y ago
Thanks, I occasionally consider seeing a therapist again but given that I am usually able to get out of bed these days I am fine for now. Lifting helps a lot.
benuntu 10y ago
Right on, glad to hear it. Just make sure to stay on top of it, because depression is a fickle bitch!
J_AsapGem 10y ago
haha i don't mean to laugh but what the fuck? just like that bro? that's crazy o.o
TomFoo 10y ago
Oh, I laughed plenty myself. And cried. And drank. And chased tail. Whatever to dull the pain from the insanity. Then I discovered trp.
monsieurhire2 10y ago
"Why do you go out and drink when you're not making money? "
Eh, you kind of just subtly slid that in the middle. Also, if you're laying around all day while she's working, it's a huge turnoff. You look weak. Women are attracted to strength and repulsed by weakness; its for the good of the species. Illness is a form of weakness, whether it be biological or psychological. A man who lays around because he is "depressed" isn't going to be able to generate enough energy to support a family. If the wife does it all, it means less energy for the child, and possibly a weak child. You basically triggered her survival instincts with your weakness. Also, why should she move to a "cheap" apartment when it could mean a risky neighborhood, lower quality goods and services, being further from events of value, etc.? This whole thing was preventable, but now you know the dark side to being a man: if your strength fails, your friends and family will desert you if it gets bad enough.
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TomFoo 10y ago
True. I should have known there were words missing from the end of her wedding vow: "...all pending your ability to provide, consistently and immediately."
monsieurhire2 10y ago
Yeah, they say that shit, but this here is the red pill where we have to deal with harsh reality. Maybe I take it for granted because I saw so much of it growing up, but where I come from, if the hubby doesn't provide, the marriage ends and the wife moves on to greener pastures.
Now, let's put the shoe on the other foot. Do you really expect me to believe that if you marry a girl and she starts acting crazy and refuses to change that you would put up with indefinitely? Sure, you'd try to help her, but if she persistently acted like a nutbag, maybe you'd say to yourself, "Gee, I think I made a mistake, time to execute my exit plan."
Sure, she could afford to take care of you, but she didn't marry you to take care of you, she married a man that she thought was strong and would take care of her. That's what women do. Also, you were lucky enough to get a woman that actually worked a high-paying job; she wasn't even asking you to make more money, she just wanted you to work. And look, I've been there; depression is a hell of a drug, but you can't blame her for acting in her rational self-interest. What if you stayed that way indefinitely. She did you a huge favor by leaving you; it was a wake-up call. Also, back in day, you'd be eaten by animal or stoned by the tribe to set an example. So, you got off easy.
Themooseconnection 10y ago
this is true of everyone. Women, men, employers.
No one cares what you've over come, only what you are and can do now.
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KartagoPill 10y ago
it's natural men blame themselves.
It's not like woman can do any wrong. Women are wonderful
[deleted] 10y ago
I don't get the part where you are depressed and still propose based on conservative values.
A wife is not a nurse and no woman on earth is happy with supporting a man's problems.
Origami84 10y ago
With a conservative mindset, you want to be married and put that stamp on your relationship. Its what it should be, and it should work - you think that, even when you are aware nowadays it doesnt really work like that anymore
probpoopin 10y ago
I think he was referring to the traditional, stay together at all costs because that's what husbands and wives do...in 1950.
KartagoPill 10y ago
But alot women work as nurse.
TomFoo 10y ago
I proposed because I was in love and I felt the need to make an honest woman out of her, that it was the right thing to do. I always saw myself becoming a family man. I knew if just one or two things clicked and came together for me, I need I would overcome depression. That happened, but only after the marriage ended. Perhaps I needed it to end before I realized I am my own number one. Nothing and no one else comes before me.
trpftw 10y ago
Rule #5: never get married without a stable career/finances.
Rule #6: Date after, you've solved any mental health issues.
No woman will put up with the opposite of the above. I wouldn't either if I was a woman.
I don't date financially unstable women or mental health issue women either. Even when I'm not looking for them as a provider.
probpoopin 10y ago
My marriage ended very similar. I was getting out of the army and wanted to use my gi bill. My income was pretty much halved in school. Before I got out we talked about it and I told her I wouldn't be making as much money while in school. Of course she would never leave because money got tight, she loved me and only gold digging whores do that. That was her hamster talking. As soon a as I started school, and the money actually got tight, she flipped to Mrs Hyde. Why don't we ever go out any more? Why don't you get a job while you're in school, my friends do it. (The friend in questions major was dance, mine was bio chem.) She assumed that because her friend had spare time to work, I would too. Also, I completely emasculated myself by being the stay at home dad while she went to work, classes were at night. I asked her if I started to work, when would I sleep. Her response, figure it out, we need money. The marriage was over within a year of starting school.
So many rp truths I learned, actually a big reason of what brought me here. First, the hamster will hamster away almost any and all logic from a womyn. Remember, only a gold digging whore would leave, she isn't like those people. Bullshit, awalt. When I brought this back up, the hamster hit overdrive. She wasn't a whore, she needed a man who could take her out on the weekends and not provide time to our daughter, she needed cold hard cash at the age of not even one. At the time I was in school, we rented a house and the owner wanted to sell. Instead of living in an apartment for a couple years to finish school, she literally wouldn't not even entertain the idea of living in an apartment or even townhouse. She was above that as a barista. We ended up moving into an even more expensive house, and the money problems got even worse.
Fast forward a few years, I'm done with school, have my own place, nice car, nice clothes and have hit the gym like a fucking beast. We exchange our daughter and the conversations are slowly changing. At first, I hadn't landed my job and was still living off student loans and the gi bill. Once I was back to making money, looking good in nice clothes, and driving a 50k vehicle, she started to be nice again. Now, I apply red pill thinking whenever I talk to her, and guess what? She wants me fucking bad again and realized she fucked up. I have a hotter girlfriend. Yeah, pre-election is a very strong force in a womynz desires. Anyways, I went from a loser who didn't need or deserve sleep, to fuck me eyes everytime we make the exchange. I've thought of making a field report because this was picture perfect red pill theory in action and I think a lot of people could learn a few things from my experience. Happy to answer any questions because this was to the T showing awalt to the extreme, along with almost every other main theme here in action.
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TomFoo 10y ago
We have been both saved. But then again we saved ourselves. When the student is ready, the master appears. The master is actually is yourself. Or some shit like that :)
Respect to all those who serve/served. Share your story as a FR when you get a chance. As a civilian I don't know what I'm talking about here but I sense there's something about the military culture where most guys get married quick and early, isn't there?
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Great story, I'd love to read it again as a FR
TomFoo 10y ago
You and I have been through the frontlines, brother. You said it better than me. Maybe my ex wasn't exactly shit-testing me-- it was just her hamster going nuts. In any case, happy to hear you are finished product now. I'll be joining that club soon enough. Cheers.
probpoopin 10y ago
Women don't understand sacrifice in the moment, to improve yourself in the longterm. It's all in the moment and they live off of instant gratification. I forget the saying or who said it. Women font care what you have done for them, they care what you have done lately for them. They don't care what you will be able to do in the future by sacrificing the present. They live in the moment and always will. They can't help it.
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Wow, I was going to write a post on my friend's divorce negotiation that is similar to this. Basically a buddy is going through a divorce. She was going for half his retirement. He had about 50K saved up. His lawyer tells him to offer that money in lieu of getting half of his retirement pension. He says she will never go for it since half the retirement is a bigger pay out in the long run. Lawyer chuckles and tells him that "women only see what's in front of them now. A majority never plan longterm."
TomFoo 10y ago
They can't help it. I understand my ex now and sometimes I feel a little sorry for her. She couldn't help feeling the way she did, she was completely enslaved to it.
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What is this? A rough draft for a female summer romance novel?
P.S.: what did you expect? The only requirement she had to be your wife was to look good. Fucking of course she isn't going to hold your hand till the end if that was the only qualification for you to marry her.
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"To a woman, a man must be a finished product. Work-in-progress is worthless."
A hundred times, this.
FakeGuru 10y ago
Friend:you were under a major misapprehension of what marriage entails.
The woman was committing herself to you, and expected to have your children.
In return she expected you to be the husband, which is not what you wanted to be.
TomFoo 10y ago
You're probably right. I recently shared with a good friend that if I was still married and had decent income, I would be a father by now. I didn't just dodge a bullet, I dodged a whole clip.
PabloEscoba 10y ago
Sounds like OP lacked ambition. I put the blame squarely on him.
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
Weak Frame is a terrible thing.
It was your weak Frame (ego boundry, internal sense of Freedom and abundant source of energy) that made her and any other woman impossible for you to handle.
Women are like horses that must be tamed.
You never tamed your wife and really haven't even gotten control of your own Frame.
It really does begin with your internal Freedom and strength.
Without the Frame to act as a solid Rock in this world nothing will ever work well for you.
Focus on making your masculine polarity stronger.
Beta weakness is the default these days because the Blue Pill emotionally indoctrinates you to have a suppressed consciousness, so to attain your potential you need to Kill the Beta and discover your internal Freedom.
There are no depressed Free men.
destraht 10y ago
My $100 Windows tablet just borked a Windows 10 update. This feeling will pass though.
TomFoo 10y ago
I am the master of my own fate. There is only one guarantee in life and it is me. I am the only one responsible for myself and no one else. These are simple words which I didn't understand not long ago.
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
The simple truths take the longest to get good at because simple things are subtle.
Obvious things that are myths are easiest to learn.
It's easier to imagine Santa than ponder Jesus.
nicolauz 10y ago
Kill the boy, let the man be born.
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
Exactly what needs to happen.
Every child begins without his masculine polarity because that's what it means to be a kid, but at some point you must get rid of that androgynous child self image and begin the quest towards masculine polarity.
evilindy 10y ago
Would give gold for this.
My favorite line, so far.
nicolauz 10y ago
Just make sure not to get murdered by Olly.
malparido9 10y ago
Key words: "There is no depressed free man". One's ideologies come first, as is the understanding of ourselves and the root of the decision making process.
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
The depressed man by definition cannot master his inner Frame because to do that means you know how to reprogram yourself.
Depression is when unconscious emotional patterns exist which are beyond your awakening.
As you awaken you reprogram... problem solved.
TomFoo 10y ago
none of the therapists have come close to what trp offers.
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
My mother (who is now 82) went back to school and got a Masters in some type of therapy. She actually did it as a job for a decade... mostly with children.
I've read many of the therapy text books and they all are geared towards adapting you to a Blue Pill future.
If you want to go deeper asleep you go to therapy.
So Red Pill is better for masculine polarity. Frame, Game, waking up.
However, the opposite direction of Blue Pill adaptation therapy will get you better adjusted to a Blue Pill mindset.
If you wanted to become Transgender for instance you would feel more comfortable in Blue Pill therapy because they make that transition less painful.
If you say you want to be Transgender in the Red Pill you get a response like:
"Kill the bitch inside you... kill the beta."
So be aware of what you get. If you secretly desire something like being one of the "Alphabet Peoples" the Red Pill will seem unwelcoming to you.
TomFoo 10y ago
Which is why the Matrix analogy fits snugly. Like a ring.
I live in a big city. I have friends who are all plugged-in alphas, professional, making solid coin, slaying college girls, doing well for themselves. And yet they all still think about settling down eventually.
Jesus Tyrone Christ.
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
Reproduction used to be a no-brainer before 1950.
But it's a scary world now. Every avenue has it's troubles.
It's not a good time for humanity.
TomFoo 10y ago
I'm not as concerned as you. And I try to be concerned about being unconcerned, but I can't. I'm the howling Joker splashing my last glass of Glenlivet on my bright clown face as the world as we know is burning to the ground. I just wonder if I will live long enough to see govt bots raise babies.
malparido9 10y ago
Thanks for the explanation
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TomFoo 10y ago
Don't get your panties bunched up, Jean Luc Dick-hard. 150 upvotes. I'd say half the newbs like me are finding trp because of divorce.
daskaninchen 10y ago
Damn I gotta start saving posts like this. This shit I'm learning is too gold
PantsonFire1234 10y ago
This is really where you went wrong man. Should have been pumping on top of that woman.
TomFoo 10y ago
You enjoy pumping passed out women? What's good, Cosby.
PantsonFire1234 10y ago
So she lay on top after the sex, gotcha. Wasn't there mate, pardon the mixup.
TomFoo 10y ago
I'm just being a smartass, figured there was a mixup. Thanks for reading.
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whisky1111 10y ago
The simple answer is don't get married. No pressure, work as much or as little as you want without a vagina at home "keeping score".
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TomFoo 10y ago
Insane. And yet understandable, thanks to redpill.
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VIICHYVALOIS 10y ago
Hypergamy is a bitch. It never stops and it never settles.
Your comments at the end signal that you're moving into the acceptance phase/are firmly already there (for those curious about the reference please search this sub for 'acceptance phase')
But like others have mentioned, and what I found to be telling, is something you acknowledge: women don't want to take care of a man.
It sounds like you're mending the issues that hounded you. I recommend therapy to sort out those self esteem issues. You've started your own business. If you've done that, you can certainly tackle those thoughts.
Good luck, OP
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RaptorFalcon 10y ago
Yep, everything is about the woman and what you can do for her.
I/we were all born in the wrong time I think
gonorealover 10y ago
women have always been like this. This is female nature. Even if feminism gets destroyed women will still remain like this. Its in their genes to be like this .
We are all waking up to the female nature thanks to the Internet . Before the Internet all men were oblivious to female nature .
If all men in this instant found out what truly women are and their true female nature , they would put women in leashes and strip away every human rights they gave to women .
It still boggles my mind that men gave women the voting right . How insane were those men ? Women's suffrage has allowed this whole mess to take place. If women didnt have the right to vote , by now , the leftists wouldve been skinned alive publicly and hanged upside down like in Game of Thrones. This was all in their scheming plan , to give women the same credibility as men when making decisions and then influencing them to vote for liberalism .
daskaninchen 10y ago
Thanks for taking your time and writing out this well written article. I'm still shocked on all those questions she came at you with, and the shower scene... Like wow. I'm glad you got yourself out and now building a business I really respect that.
TomFoo 10y ago
Thanks for the good words, brother.
empatheticapathetic 10y ago
Sorry to hear about your struggles bro but hopefully you understand now that only you are responsible for your own life and issues. Never rely on someone else, especially a woman/SO. If they are in your way or disrespect you, remove them from your life. You were even relying on her for money and support it seems, it was doomed from the start, but it's not the end of the world as you've learned, in fact it's the beginning of your life. What I've learned the most from this story is how marriage is clearly a losing battle.
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I can tell you girls usually don't want to be with a guy who's working for himself and going through all that entails. I'm doing that right now and I make totally good money, but I find that girls just want something boring and certain. If "what do you do" takes more than a simple job title to explain, they tend to get skittish.
TomFoo 10y ago
I see the majority them checking out as soon as I finish saying what I do for a living.
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The "Shit tests" your ex wife threw at you, the ones you wrote down, don't really seem like shit tests.
That one, for example, seems like a pretty reasonable comment when there is a shortage in money. Not trying to disprove your post or side with your ex wife, but your wife wasn't a succubus, as you mentioned she also paid for plenty things during the time you didn't have a job.
Anyway, keep looking and moving forward.
TomFoo 10y ago
Yea, shit tests may not be the best way to describe what they were. However, I didn't emphasize this: We could have lived comfortably just under her income alone maybe for a few years. She agreed to that arrangement when we were engaged. But then she completely backed out of it once married, for which she took no responsibility or saw no wrong in doing so. Her "loyalty" as my wife lasted two months.
2plus2makes5 10y ago
I agreed with this sentiment, until I came across the part where she makes 100K/year on her own. There was no shortage in money, there was a shortage in money to support the lifestyle that she thought she deserved. Thats a nuclear level shit test. You're not good enough for her unless your are elevating the lifestyle she already possesses.
TomFoo 10y ago
You understand, my friend. Thank you.
KartagoPill 10y ago
still they went on hawaii honey moon
CumForJesus 10y ago
People who marry are retarded. Marriage is retarded. "I love you, let's spend everything we have on a party no one will enjoy as we vow to live together forever".
Sorry but I got out of that cult-like mindset in my pre-teen. Marriages like that are stupid for both gender, even if you don't take divorce into account. If you're 30 and you think "I need to spend all my money on a marriage", I won't feel bad for you even if you get divorce raped one year later.
KartagoPill 10y ago
Let's spend money and get fuckd up.
Entropy-7 10y ago
According to the OP, she was already making six figures. I agree it wasn't a shit test but whether it is reasonable or not is another story. Women are notorious dream killers, and that was what she was doing.
TomFoo 10y ago
Turn it around, I was her dream killer. I was dead weight that she had to cut off. So glad she did. Oh, the irony.
Entropy-7 10y ago
Maybe it was the best for both of you to part. Your dreams have to align, both in terms of end goals and the paths through which you will achieve them. If not, then it won't work on a long term basis.
VasiliyZaitzev 10y ago
I thought some of those were pretty reasonable...like "Hey, why are you going out boozing when you're broke and depressed?" Alcohol isn't exactly going to help either one of those.
Anyway, good luck to the OP from here on out.
probpoopin 10y ago
I thought the same. First, if you're depressed, alcohol is your worst enemy. It's a depressant, and will further depress all body function, including thought and emotion. When I was broke in school, I didn't go out drinking. I bought a 12 pack of cheap beer and hung out at the house or with friends. You still have life responsibility and the depression really is an excuse here. I think he would benefit from being more honest and not sugar coating it. Should have said, I was going out a lot and knew I shouldn't be. But I was depressed and enjoyed the getaway to the bar or club to forget my problems for a few hours. Instead, he tries to shift the responsibility to her, when it was his own choice to begin with.
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trpftw 10y ago
Yeah I honestly feel like OP might have had a lot of fault in this marriage too.
I'm sure both the woman and man made several mistakes here that could have allowed for a successful marriage.
Why does he keep mentioning hypergamy, but no evidence of cheating or other men? It seems more like she was just upset that she was literally having to take care of a grown man-child who didn't make enough money at the time. Well maybe you shouldn't propose until you have a stable career.
He's lucky that she didn't just take all his assets or money or anything. Seems to have broken up amicably.... meaning that the girl wasn't that bad.
TomFoo 10y ago
Yes, I am at least and at most 50% at fault for my failed marriage, but that's mainstream/bluepill thinking. With redpill hindsight, it was 100% my fault. Thank gawd I fucked up.
Cheating or other men aren't the only sign of hypergamy. Escaping a weak male is just as critical as latching onto a strong male. Who knows, maybe she have been cheating on me since day one. Or not. It doesn't matter.
When we're used to reading about divorce rape, a girl who doesn't take any money from a seven month marriage is a fucking angel.
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I don't blame her, why shouldn't she be allowed to realize her potential?
TomFoo 10y ago
Neither do I. On the other hand you don't swear in front of family and friends in an elaborate, formal ceremony that you will stand by the other person no matter what happens. It only took her two months to give in. So much for vows.
RedSugarPill 10y ago
Vows are made to fool men into marriage.
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This is what happens. $$$$$ is what it's all about and there's nothing wrong with going about it like that. Marriage (and divorce) don't get called "industries" for no reason.
favours_of_the_moon 10y ago
I guess being severely disabled during the entire decade of my 30s was actually quite lucky in a sick way. LOL
SilentAlpha 10y ago
This is half directed at you OP and heaven knows certain elements of this story are common to all men in marriage.....but I have to ask.....
Where do you guys find some of these women????????
I guess where I come from it's a Midwest farm culture. My friends married sensible women and had solid enough frame that no one I knew in my friend circle ever had shit like this happen. Ever.
You cannot have a fulfilling red pill marriage to a psychotic skank. Wayyyy too many guys on this site are falling for them hard even after knowing the truth.
The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.
TomFoo 10y ago
SF NY LA. Come to any major liberal city and enjoy the downfall.
SilentAlpha 10y ago
One other thing I noticed in your replies. It's good to improve yourself and admit fault but you aren't 100% at fault here. No matter the character of a man a woman is always obligated to be submissive to him in spite of his failings.
Something I know this site doesn't support but it's the way things should be.
TomFoo 10y ago
Thanks. I'm at a point where I don't care how much of it was my fault. When the divorce was finalized, she apologized profusely for not supporting me as a good wife should. I thought that was interesting.
SilentAlpha 10y ago
She knows she was in the wrong and that she should have been different.
TruthOverLiez 10y ago
You need to have money in the relationship no matter how good looking or "alpha" you are. Women don't care about a man's "potential" even if he has the potential to be a billionaire. They want him to be the finished product.
Entropy-7 10y ago
Those weren't shit tests. I think the technical term is "nagging".
jace81 10y ago
Yea sorry mate, you gotta work and be providing. I've been upset that I haven't found a decent girl with all the effort and work I've put into myself, and I suffer from depression also. But I think you have a bit of growing up to do and a lot of us go through what you have talked about. Love is simply not unconditional... If you were working 90% of the issues you talked about wouldn't have existed
They're girls, they don't expect us to be millionaires but you gotta be able to feed her and the kids. Asking someone to marry you if you have no job is insanity.
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I have some good news and some bad news...
First the bad news...
Even when you are a strong alpha type marriage contains an absolute financial requirement.
There are very, very few women out there who are financially secure/independent and willing to support a fun sexy husband (who makes them cum hard) to share their good fortunes with - and in my experience on this earth the ones that do only do temporarily. All women want financial security in marriage. All women want a man who earns a solid dollar. All women want the man to take the financial reigns over in the long term. AWALT.
Despite all the the allegedly prescient narratives to the contrary, this is the unshakable truth and will continue to be for a long time - likely forever.
If you want marriage and family, you have to accept this reality and take on this risk and responsibility.
Period.
Sounds to me like you just weren't ready to take this on. You had not yet conquered your personal demons. Your personal issues held you back from meeting your potential. Now I will confess your ex-wife does sound like a total cunt - but then again pretty much all hot, high earning women are. Any woman HB8 and above making 6 figures has serious expectations. Its a matter of opportunity cost in their eyes. They want Alpha Bucks/Big Beta Bucks generally, and when they make up their mind that you aren't going to be that they begin to fill with resentment - and eventually (sometimes very quickly) resentment turns to rage. How wonderful and nice a woman is to you is directly relational to her needs and expectations being met. All women have a vision of what their life should be - as a result of their own personal assessment of their own SMV. If they are confident that their X should equal Y outcome, then you can count on them looking to rectify unwelcome situations.
Yes this is hypergamy and when you get caught up in the gears of it - it is a motherfucking bitch.
Here's the good news...
At 35 years of age the game changes. Its not just the age where single malt scotch suddenly becomes delicious. Its the age where you begin to get the upper hand in the dating game. Combining this with the fact that overcoming difficulty is what breeds strength in us - and I'd say yes you have a future to look forward to. Note from Twilight of the Idols. When you feel the real life consequences of mental and emotional weakness, you begin to see the folly of it. All those mornings you had difficulty getting out of bed now replaced by the sting of what happened when you failed to rise to life's challenges. You learn what you need to and apply it.
I can say this because I went though difficulty myself and 35 years old was about the time I got sick and tired of being sick and tired. You figure out that your weakness makes you an easy mark for predatory behavior. You either pull yourself up by the bootstraps or you get torn asunder by life.
Then something fantastic happens...
Faced with no other choice but to build what needs to be built, you start to put in the actual work. You achieve some successes. You empty your personal basket of negatives and start filling it with positives. That weight that drags you down lifts. You find new energy and new confidence.
Being a successful business owner is no small accomplishment. I'm surprised that women aren't already sniffing.
A fit 35-45 year old man with no baggage and a fat wallet gets laid. He has his way.
mtl_dood 10y ago
Yes. Read this. You can fake alpha for a bit. But come on. At some point there has to be something behind it. And with yourself, you have to be comfortable. You have to know yourself better than anybody.
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RedDeadlift 10y ago
Beautifully written reply. 100% truth.
[deleted] 10y ago
Nice one TDAT, Side bar material at MRP.
Many newbies and even some regulars there think they found a good one.
Wrong. The only good women have been shaped by strong men with boundaries. Left to themselves, children would eat birthday cake for every meal. Women are no different and will ruin their own lives chasing Vag tingles and drama. Its biology, save the outrage for the gym. And...use this knowledge to pursue YOUR dreams, cause no one gives a fuck about you but you.
You (and I) ain't special
Long live the patriarch. It worked for thousands of years and our little experiment with feminism has families separated, boys on Ritalin, and women living with cats.
trpftw 10y ago
Absolutely... Don't think that it's just about money. It's about taming the lioness to be your hunter.
I dated a millionaire HB9. She still had expectations...
She wanted me to take care of her. She wanted me to make money and provide for her, in case her father cuts off her allowance.
She imagined scenarios where her father cuts her off and you will be the financier of her very expensive lifestyle (laser, botox, exquisite bags, high heels, and never-ending clothes, maybe even plastic surgeries).
The anger in her from when you tell her that she needs to get a job... She was very angry that I wouldn't be her sugardaddy (even though she should be my sugarmommy as a millionaire's daughter).
By the end of the relationship she was cleaning my house (something she had maids do since childhood), giving BJs (something she had claimed she would never do in beginning of dating), cooking, and I swear to you, she even folded up my laundry wtf... None of these things were things I asked her to do. She wanted me to go on vacation, but knowing how fucked up and unpredictable she can be sometimes, I said "no". She said "but what if I pay for EVERYTHING while on vacation, you just come with me..." I still said "no." because you never know when she'll change her mind, start a fight, start some drama, and fuck up this vacation.
Had to get rid of her because she just wouldn't learn lessons sometimes, so slowly I introduced things that made me look less alpha just to get rid of her, because I know she won't take a simple "go away" as an answer... "oh yeah hon, I lost that promotion chance unfortunately... I failed..." Even though I got an amazing promotion and tons of more money. She had no idea just how successful I really was (although maybe she did, might be why she was so in love, offering so many gifts, and wanted kids/marriage etc.)
TL;DR: Girls are fucking entitled princesses and they think you are their daddy. Treat them like a spoiled brat who needs to be disciplined or a lioness who needs taming. Make her feel just how useless she is in this human society. That she's literally just a pretty little girl who contributes nothing to humanity and that she actually needs to START contributing.
She literally thought like "oh yeah I'm gonna donate a lot of money to charity like my dad..." Literally spending her daddy's money to charity that daddy already spends to charity... and taking credit for it... and then not even doing it.
I blame the father, spoiling her daughters without ever teaching them humility, discipline, and hard work... or just fucking decent behaving and empathy.
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IMO, its a spectrum. Some are better than others. We'd be crazy not to tell guys not to be mindful of disqualifiers, but the point is still the same - the goal isn't to find the perfect girl - but turn yourself into something that's difficult to replace.
Then finding "perfect girl" magically becomes so much easier. Funny how that works.
probpoopin 10y ago
I would say even with them being financially stable, they still want a guy who is more financially well off. Women want to be taken care of by men, not the other way around. Even if she was well off, I think it would be a turn off knowing she was the breadwinner. Rich, wealthy womynz, just want a richer more wealthy man.
RedPillDad 10y ago
I enjoyed this so much I read it 3 times... OP and his wife had a difference of ambition. Things tend to be easier when the man's ambition exceeds the woman's. When his is lower, she'll make endless jabs of "Why aren't you winning?"
TomFoo 10y ago
This pinched a little because it was so true. I talked big, but that was about it ambition-wise.
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TomFoo 10y ago
It was the best thing that ever happened to me, because it led me here.
What I love about TRP is we're here for ourselves. Like a network of thousands of one-man islands, it's a selfish community, an oxymoron, the best kind.
IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 10y ago
You must know my good friend Bill W...
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Well that's a story that deserves its own post. Maybe sometime I'll post it.
IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 10y ago
Please do. 5+ years for me, sober at 34, 39 now. Also thinking of posting a bit about my journey and the RP tie-in, would love to hear yours as well (as would others I'm sure).
[deleted] 10y ago
I've got 8 - but it's not even something I think about any more. I don't drink alcohol, do drugs or smoke cigarettes. It's just become who I am and it's pretty effortless now.
I may tell that story, but up until now I was thinking that certain darker secrets should stay buried in the past.
That may change though. Who knows. My story is compelling, no doubt. I have more building to do yet. Maybe after that. 2016 should be a transformative year for me - so it could happen.
aanarchist 10y ago
blue pill fantasy or not i really wanted to find a good woman and build something together with her. i've seen other guys do it, but not all of us are so lucky. at 35 years of age, i sure as hell won't be wasting time with a woman that has anything close to resembling a flaw. at 35, relationships will be more about numbers than feelings.
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Build it and they will come, brother.
It's not about them. It's about you and how you construct your life. You create your own condition - and you do in a way that mitigates the amount of influence a woman is able to exert on your life.
You make it so they desire your company so much that they police their own flaws. If it's worth it to them they'll make the effort. Otherwise, NEXT!
You set boundaries and stick to them. You develop an abundance mindset. You have no reason accept less that what you have to. If a woman wants to enjoy your companionship and share in your good fortune, then she'll respect the boundaries you've set and live up to the expectations you have.
aanarchist 10y ago
i'm not going to have a shred of respect for a woman who just wants a piece of my pie and hides bullshit so that she can stick around. i wanted someone who was genuinely good natured, not some bitch who polices herself so that she can keep me. i sure as hell won't have a relationship with someone who gets to relax and be happy while i have to bust my ass doing work and holding frame 24/7 lest my life crumble. tired of these disposable women and their vampirism.
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You're preaching to the choir man, but you have one of two choices:
Go MGTOW - and only have short term, sexually-focused, casual relationships for as long as you can.
Or...
Realize how shit works and make sure your long term effect is not very easily replaceable. Overcome. Win the game.
I hate to break it to you - but AWALT bro.
You're still missing the point. If you are a struggling broke dick, those "good natured" women you desire aren't going to give you the time of day. They'll make you feel unwanted and seem very wicked indeed.
Women are self-interested creatures. If they are beautiful and sweet, they aren't going to waste their lives with some ne'er do well. They are going to leverage that into the best possible lifestyle they can. If you have one who you think is your best friend in the world and you meet some unfortunate long term crisis (especially financial) she will leave your ass dude - and she'll frame herself as the victim in the process.
I know this realization can be difficult to accept. You and I as men are expected to be givers and make personal sacrifices as a matter of recourse, but the same expectation doesn't exist on women. In this world, women have the right to be selfish. We do not. They have the right to live blameless, despite the conditional nature of their love. We don't have that same privilege - narratives be damned.
Yes we all want that beautiful connection, that passion, that ground-shaking love... We want to know a woman's compassion, her empathy, her desire... We want to be the priority in her life... But we can't have any of those things without being the things we need to be in order to get them.
Yeah I get it. I got to a point where getting sex was easy, but finding love was so elusive and that was 20 years ago. It can cause one to lose faith. Today its so much more rare.
Have you read Michael's Story on the sidebar? ------->
Women today live this ethereal life path where they are duplicitous party girls until 28 years old - then they switch gears and start looking for a higher status man to provide them the lifestyle they desire while having children. All through this they are expected to retain full respect in the professional workplace and full status as adults in society all while living under a vast set of special and different societal protections. If you dare criticize any facet of this nebulous existence you're a terrible misogynist.
Yes it hurts when we discover how conditional the love that we thought transcended the universe, really is. We find out that the so-called fairer sex lives by a different set of rules; is commonly thoughtless, selfish, dishonest and cruel; and blames us for all their terrible decision making. What a disillusionment! Its quite the mindfuck, is it not? When that cold reality hits us we enter a hard period of cynicism. It can shatter you into a million pieces - especially if you are fresh off the wrong end of a romance related catastrophe (and some of them are quite horrific).
There is only one thing we can do about the situation - admit to ourselves what the truth is, accept it, learn to navigate it, work towards neutrality and then ultimately to personal mastery.
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All I can add to this is that when a man's expectations of women line up with reality then much pain can be avoided. You never give her 100 percent for two reasons
One is that she is less likely to get bored if she is the one chasing and feeling a bit of dread.
Second reason is that your mission is your emotional center, not some bitch. Bitches can be replaced and that attitude will serve you well during the life of any relationship that you do have
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supergilbert 10y ago
Just want to say guys, I'm very grateful this community exists. It's impossible to have this kind of testimonials from the media, even from your friends it's extremely tough.
Seriously, thanks God for this subreddit and all the people participating in it.
daskaninchen 10y ago
Amen to that I'm loving experienced posts like this. Fabulous information
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alvlear 10y ago
People actually say this? LMAO.
The bluepill is still strong within you OP. Keep reading the sidebar. I suggest you buy the complete book Sexual Utopia in Power by F. Roger Devlin.
TomFoo 10y ago
I sense you didn't finish reading the entire post.