I have a woman friend who seems like she would like to be something more, lots of texting, flirting, and inviting me to her place etc etc. She claims she is a staunch feminist. I have made my views on feminism pretty clear. Last night the topic of obedience training came up. It started being about dogs but it ended up being about her being trained by me. She is a successful, independent woman, who travels, has her own career, is strongly feminist. She still likes the idea of obedience training from a man! I pointed out that it is more than a spanking now and again and be careful what you ask for.
tl:Dr? AWALT
ThelemaAndLouise 10y ago
It's usually high power business guys who like being dominated too, because they have a power fetish.
daddymonsterpoodle 10y ago
Lol...I'll keep that in mind should I ever start fucking high power business guys. :p
ThelemaAndLouise 10y ago
haha, i just mean it's to be expected that someone who focuses all their time on power gets off on power play. like how i focus all my time on girls' booties.
MakeEmSayAyy 10y ago
Yeah there's a direct correlation between how feminist they are and how much they like to be dominated by a masculine presence.
But I don't reward women for their ignorant views, don't go with feminist girls.
KyfhoMyoba 10y ago
I can, from personal experience vouch for this. The more feminist they are, the more they enjoy a masculine, dominant presence. The ones with the weird hair colors usually want more than I'm comfortable giving, BDSM-wise.
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It's been bounced around here several times how feminists like ultra-alpha type of dominating sex. I think feminism is really a shit-test. A type of shit-test that excludes the vast majority of men in society. The few that get past this fucked up shit-test that should be illegal happen to only be those that are the exact opposite of what feminists say they want in men.
Entropy-7 10y ago
In my experience, BDSM type girls do not proclaim themselves to be feminists.
That is not to say that proclaimed feminists don't want a good bout of slap and tickle but I have never dated feminists and don't have an opinion on the subject.
Hard core subs are great despite the fact that they are nucking futz. The reason is simple: the contract.
It's weird that the SJW dream is "affirmative and ongoing consent" and yet the only subculture who can do this effectively is where the women are tied up, spanked and sodomized.
I have been out of the scene for a while but the contract, as well as safe words and such are the only way I have seen that a couple can meet the ridiculous standards of "yes means yes" that have been implemented in Hawaii and California or late.
daddymonsterpoodle 10y ago
I am just getting into the scene. I also have a fwb who is very fond of being my sub. I am happy to go with that. I am enjoying the Dom side. What the femnazis forget was that feminism was about choice. My fwb has made a choice. It gives both of us pleasure. She is not weak, or a victim. She is brave and honest with herself and me.
I haveclearned that it is hard for me to accept people doing things just to please me. I still have a shitload of conditioning to overcome.
Entropy-7 10y ago
If you have found a good sub, then kudos - I am genuinely happy that you have found someone good. Just keep in mind that - dollars to donuts - she is, at her core, fucking insane.
But get it in writing. It is something of a bonding ritual but it is also a good rape defense. It is also something of a museum piece to have a document that is signed (in ink, or in blood if you are really hard core) that says she agree to blow you three times on Thursdays and take it up the ass on Sunday.
daddymonsterpoodle 10y ago
That is great advice. As someone new to this, any advice is gold. Thank you.
Samantha_Cruz 10y ago
i can picture "affirmative consent" lawsuits in a few years..
"your honor, you can see in section 7, paragraph 15 sub paragraph b of the consent decree; witnessed and notarized by the law firm of almen arerapists and scum; as filed with the recorders court after pre contact negotiations in August of last year that the plaintiff agreed to allow the defendent to put his right index finger in her ass up to the second knuckle but she did not consent to any twisting of that finger so lacking that consent the prosecution has no option but to recommend the death penalty"
Entropy-7 10y ago
"Affirmative consent" is nonsense. If you give a kiss to your girlfriend in the morning then that is rape. My girlfriend and I raped each other a dozen times last week by this standard. It is stupid.
BluepillProfessor 10y ago
You will realize it is EVIL not stupid if your GF decides to break up with you and get you kicked out of school.
Samantha_Cruz 10y ago
it would also be so incredibly disruptive to the fun and spontaneity of sex that i think it would take most of the fun out of it. -
i play out rape roleplay scenes when i am lucky enough to have the opportunity and those scenes really require the sort of pre-scene negotiations that "affirmative consent" wants to impose on everyone but a rape roleplay scene is incredibly different and that up front negotiation takes a LOT of the "surprise" and "apprehension" out of the roleplay scene.. because i cannot "forget" what has been agreed to so there are sadly very few surprises... - in the context of a rape roleplay however it is essential specifically because the NORMAL means of communicating "no" are intentionally (and consensually) removed - i totally want the ability to resist, struggle, protest, beg and plead for them to stop and i would be totally upset if they actually DID.. it would ruin the entire scene. - that's why we have safe words; the pre-scene negotiation happens to ensure that i never have to USE the safe word because it really sucks when you have to disrupt a scene when things are getting 'really heavy'...
but normal everyday sex does NOT prevent communication; "no" almost always means "no", "stop" almost always means "stop" in every context outside of bdsm/non consensual roleplay scenes so WHY would anyone ruin the spontaneity and fun by "negotiating" every minor detail? it seems totally designed to make sex as unpleasant as possible.
Entropy-7 10y ago
"Affirmative consent" requires girls to ADMIT that they are whores:
"Oh yes, put your cock in my __"
It is the most insidious cockblock ever invented because most girls are whores BUT THEY WILL NEVER ADMIT IT! About 99%+ girls feel obligated to say no at least once because they have "never done this before". It's complete nonsense.
So if you specifically ask for the bang, they shoot you down; if you press for the bang and get it you open yourself up to a bogus rape charge.
[deleted] 10y ago
The only difference between a woman like that and a "normal" one is that she will need you to be even more alpha than usual. Career women have a hard time finding a man simply because they not only want alphas (like every woman), they want men who are more alpha than they are and those are rare.
pbgswd 10y ago
its a kink, go learn what kinks are.
TermsOfColors 10y ago
I just err on the side of caution with these types and assume they are fucked in the head. Next.
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daddymonsterpoodle 10y ago
Lol...not sure if my mojo is that strong.
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
Men love women, women love children, children love puppies.
Women are by their nature inclined to move towards feminine polarity which means they like to follow a man who leads.
The Blue Pill Feminism tries to sabotage women and guilt them out of their natural tendencies, but you can usually get her to go there since it is the path of least resistance for her emotionally.
Samantha_Cruz 10y ago
i have no idea how anyone else thinks; i can only speak about what happens in my head. - and i am certainly NOT a feminist. i do however love spankings, being dominated, punished, roleplay games etc. and among my fondest fantasies are some where men finally get so fed up with the constant whining of feminists that they fight back and teach women what a 'rape culture' really looks like -
granted thats only a fantasy and i wouldn't want to impose such a fate on anyone else (other than in a roleplay where everyone consented) but as a fantasy it is a ton of fun.
personally i think an awful lot of these 'rape culture' claims are "wishful thinking" because the delusional claims these feminist princesses make sound so much like the fantasy world i dream about so frequently. unlike them i know the difference between my fantasies and reality.
daddymonsterpoodle 10y ago
Smart men don't fight it directly, That is suicide. However we do show every woman we are with that not all men are lime that. Hopefully they spread the word that it is great to be with a strong man, not some feminized pseudo male.
I am a glass half full kinda guy. The more whining man bitches there are out there the better I feel about myself. Obesity epidemic, ha! The more pudgy gymphobic people there are the better I look by comparison.
Besides, engaging in debate with feminists is pointless. They can always pull out the 'you are a man. You couldn't understand.'. Why aren't feminists feminine?
Samantha_Cruz 10y ago
females tend to think in terms of emotion; making decisions based on how it makes them "feel" as opposed to men who largely make decisions based on a more rational/logical basis; this is not an "absolute" or "awalt" concept but it is clearly true in general.
using logic and rational arguments or facts does not work with a lot of women; it's like speaking a totally different language, all the facts in the world don't mean a thing if her 'fee fee's are in the way.
what i find truly amazing is when i hear feminists complain that there aren't any 'real men' around any more... don't they realize that it's feminists that have been waging war against masculinity for decades that's responsible?
daddymonsterpoodle 10y ago
I hope the 'real men' are too busy fucking the shit out of their happy partners and making them feel like women to waste their energy debating. Same reason I don't debate with religious fanatics unless I am trolling. I appreciate your insightful comments.
DeveilsEnDoughnuts 10y ago
Hard to make nuanced points without the extra effort required to explain it's nuanced in order to prepare the reader to be more open to the ideas presented. Glad you take the effort to do so.
Entropy-7 10y ago
I do not participate in "rape culture" because I like to be crystal clear what is going to happen. When I choose a woman who is quality then I want all of her: her mouth, pussy and ass are all valid targets for my cock.
I want to come on her face for the same reason that a wolf marks his territory.
Any further "rough trade" has to be consensual or it makes my dick go limp.
I have done some radical things, but at the end of the day I really think women are nifty; the accusation of misogyny falls short.
Samantha_Cruz 10y ago
rape roleplay is very different from rape; rape roleplay is absolutely consensual and negotiated in advance - it is a means of fulfilling a fantasy and has an illusion of being non consensual but it is very much consensual. without that consent it is rape and totally immoral.
my fantasy is 'just a fantasy' - as i mentioned i would never want to impose that on anyone outside of a consensual roleplay. it is simply one of the scenarios that comes up from time to time in my fantasies. never actually acted out that particular one in a roleplay but it seems like it could be a lot of fun to act out.
rape roleplay is not at all misogynistic, in fact i feel incredibly selfish about the scenes because they feel to me like everyone involved is totally serving MY needs and acting out MY fantasies - i get to be the center of attention and have "all the fun" - when i'm resisting and struggling against my attacker, calling him names, refusing his advances, and losing badly; the illusion is that he is NOT wanted at all; that he is hated and reviled... that is soooooo not true; in those moments i am about as horny as i ever get; but there is an in character illusion that i want nothing to do with him; thus from my perspective the entire act feels selfish and totally about "my fun".
i am submissive most of the time and in almost every other aspect of our lives i am very willing and eager to do anything i can to serve him; those rape roleplays are an 'exception' a break from the normal day to day routine and a reward to me; they are an incredible energy release and leave me in a mental high for days... there is nothing at all misogynistic about it :)
almost every person alive, male included; despise real rapists; they are vilified and ostracized from society and rightly so. we do NOT live in a rape culture; if we did rapists would be welcome members of society; parades would be thrown in their honor; that is so far removed from the delusional claims of feminist myrmidons that i just think they live in some fantasy land of their own; a fantasy land where they imagine themselves to be so totally irresistible that men just can't control themselves...
Entropy-7 10y ago
The first thing to get out of way is that women want to be raped, but only by their fantasy man.
In a fantasy the woman can control every aspect of the narrative. In real life, that doesn't happen.
Not every woman, but there are a surprising number who want to be smacked about and have their hair grabbed to give ATM and go the full 9 yards.
Samantha_Cruz 10y ago
I don't know many women that want to be raped. I do know plenty that love their rape fantasies and enjoy acting them out. these are entirely different things.
as for 'fantasy men' - i have no idea how common this is but I sometimes fantasize about being raped in an alley by a group of homeless men that haven't had showers in weeks; the alley smells like a urinal and the men appear (and smell) like they've been living on the street for years... They are hardly "prince charming" material. I've fantasized about being raped by home invasion robberies by groups of hooded thugs and at the opposite extreme there's one with a powerful ceo; but unlike that "disney princess" 50 shades bs - this ceo doesn't shower me with gifts and luxury, audi's and helicopter rides (and he isn't a whiny bitch); he uses his wealth and power to ensure that i am subdued and kept helpless and terrified; his security team is there to prevent my escape (and torment me constantly) but absolutely not there to 'protect me' from abuse. his power doesn't give me any "benefit" it only gives him massive power to control me and make me suffer for his amusement.
Fantasies are not always rational - i have no desire in reality to wander into a dark alley filled with actual vagrants and i'm not heading to a homeless shelter to invite men over for a rape roleplay session but that's because fantasy and real life are entirely different worlds; i don't roleplay with anyone where there is doubt about their health (recent std checks required) - or hygiene (yeah; i'm getting close; it needs to be clean). fantasies don't have std's; unwanted pregnancies, scat or any actually unpleasant aromas.
i love being slapped, hair pulled, spanked and ridden hard; used for his pleasure and put away panting, sweaty and sticky.. that's the best way 'for me' - it is certainly not "awalt" - on this it is essential to remember that women are individuals that may not all have the same desires. - what i totally love would be a nightmare for many women.
Whisper Vanguard 10y ago
There's a difference between sexual fantasies and sexual tastes.
Of course not all women are into your sexual fantasizes. Even you aren't into your sexual fantasizes. (This is actually common. Fantasizes must be headier than reality to make up for not being real.)
But the underlying sexual taste, that of a man having power over you, isn't a fetish. It's mainstream. What makes you kinky isn't the inclination, but the intensity of that inclination.
Samantha_Cruz 10y ago
yeah; they are pretty 'unrealistic' at times :)) usually involving dozens of men lined up around the block waiting for the next available port to dock with... spotlights from circling television crew helicopters illuminating the stage while large crowds of people call me lewd/filthy names... oops, sorry, i need to run take a quick emergency break. be back when i run out of batteries.
Entropy-7 10y ago
It is rather well documented that a good third of women have rape fantasies. Of course, they want to be raped by the "right" guy. I had a girl admit as much to me directly: in their minds, they have complete control over their fantasies, but reality is a bit different.
As with so much, women will squirt over the idea of being raped by David Bekham or Christian Bale. By some AFC? Not so much.
The point here is to present as well as a fraction of Beckham or Bale and then get your rape-on.
I am no professional athlete nor a movie star, but I have been able to take some bitches in hand, and then put the blocks to them because THAT IS WHAT THEY WANTED.
Samantha_Cruz 10y ago
as always i am totally incapable of speaking for anyone other than myself - For me i know that there is obviously going to be a minimum standard of health and hygiene and reasonable fitness and clearly men that have it all together are going to be more appealing however as long as a man has acceptable levels of the above criteria it is almost entirely attitude and demeanor - how they portray themselves and how they make me "feel" inside - if they exude confidence and strength they don't NEED movie star looks to get me drenched. A confident masculine man is going to be appealing. - looks certainly don't hurt but honestly most really good looking men do NOT interest me because they just don't have the right demeanor. i.e. Brad Pitt, DeCaprio, Orlando Bloom - all waaaay over-rated.. no interest at all here - they are physically attractive but their attitude is entirely 'girly'; no amount of "looks" can make up for that. Sean Connery, Viggo Mortenson and even Clint Eastwood today are f'n hot even though two of them are close to 3 times my age. - Their appeal is not because they are the most attractive, but because they are incredibly masculine and exude exactly the sort of attitude that gives me the tingles. (granted none of these are ugly either, but it's the attitude that makes me drool; hollywood just doesn't use many 'ugly' performers so i don't know of many well known examples - vladimir putin comes to mind; he certainly isn't "good looking" but the image that he crafts for himself is seriously masculine and gives him a 'wow' factor that i've never felt about obama who is certainly much more physically attractive.).
edit: i cheated and scanned some lists of celebrities and found 3 good examples, sylvester stallone, jack nicholson and charles bronson; none of them are going to win any beauty contests and all 3 are excellent examples of men that make me wet pretty much entirely because of personality (or at least how they are portrayed in their movies) all three of them are way older too. I can't say all women rate things the same way; wish it were that easy but i suspect i am not the only one that considers attitude/personality far more important criteria than looks or wealth.
rp_newdawn 10y ago
Thank you for your insightful exposition of your own fantasies. I have learned quite a few things in the comment thread about how to safely activate some sides of sexual psychology that were previously unknown to me. Now I just need to pick the right girl to experiment with lol
Samantha_Cruz 10y ago
good luck on that front :)) it's not an easy topic to bring up but for those of us that love these sorts of fantasies it is truly an amazing experience. most women are afraid to bring it up because of their slut denial and men are often afraid of scaring her off if they bring it up; plus a lot of men don't really understand that consensual rough sex can be an incredible rush to so many women; there is a lot of natural aversion to 'hitting women' and being branded as an abusive man but playing these non-consensual roleplay scenarios can actually be a loving gift and i am truly grateful for those that have allowed me to enjoy these scenes.
rp_newdawn 10y ago
Yeah I definitely agree that those full blown fantasies are difficult but that's not necessarily what I'm after. I'm fine with fulfilling that role if that's what she wants but to me it's more about balancing a dominant and aggressive side sexually once I've achieved a level of trust with her. I'm finding that no matter how innocent the girl is, the two barriers in order are (1) my comfort/confidence with taking control at that deep of a level and (2) that she trusts me enough. The more I toy with some fantasies like rope play the more I realize how much they enjoy it if they trust me. I never though they would... But they do. You are so right, I find that consensual rough sex surprises both of us with how much it invigorates us. That's why reading your comments in this thread was so enlightening because it suggests that there is a continuum there that I can continue to explore. I just have to find a girl who trusts me enough to dive down that rabbit hole
rp_newdawn 10y ago
Also, maybe consider creating another username if you want to keep posting here... I find that the rare girl who is comfortable with discourse here often suffers some harassment from boys that still need to grow some more. A more vague name would allow less-enlightened members to evaluate your thoughts without pre-conceived judgement
Samantha_Cruz 10y ago
one of the reasons i follow this subreddit is because i find it very interesting to understand how men think and one of the reasons i offer my opinion on some topics is because i think it might help others understand how women think. (not that i think exactly like all other women but i certainly have a different perspective on many topics here.)
I hear women complain that they just don't understand men, (or men saying they just don't understand women) quite frequently. I know that reading the comments here helps me and hopefully the results of that help me in my relationships.
regarding harassment: almost all of the harassment I've received so far in reddit have come from feminists that are pissed off that i point out their lies; The worst i've received from men were a couple of angry responses after one of my comments but that was hardly harassment; they probably assumed i was working against trp simply because i disagreed with them on some point (or at least that's what i think upset them). I try to honor rule zero but i understand some people can get territorial at times.
rp_newdawn 10y ago
Well I appreciate your insight and I think you have a good perspective on it all. If it's alright, I may PM you from time to time to pick your thoughts on things posted here