Summary: A long walk on the beach with a 25 year old. Hamstering, solipsism and feelz ensues.
Body: I'm 18. I'm just out of High School, I have options, but I don't know what I want. I met this girl at the gym, at first her brand new BMW and well paying job made me think she'd be somewhat unplugged, but no, as soon as she mentioned quitting to do "weight loss coaching", I had doubts.
She wanted to meet my dog, so we went for a walk and I started probing. Why does she want to do 'weight loss' coaching? Because she wants to feel the satisfaction of helping someone find themselves, not because she has a passion for fitness (You can tell she doesn't), and certainly not because it's a flexible lifestyle, but because she would get good feelz from doing it. I pretended to be the usual Netflix watching wall approaching vapid fiancee many women are these days, and even when presented with a fake scenario, she gave me a bunch of feelies and empty promises and told me to just 'become an expert yourself'. My response was "Weight loss is simple. See that soda? Stop drinking it. See that fast food? Stop eating it. See everything in your meals that isn't protein? Half it. Keep doing that for the next day for the next week for the next decade.", she didn't like it, hamstering ensued.
When inquiring about her job. She told me in the same sentence that she's meant to be on call 24/7, but then took sleeping pills and didn't wake up for an entire day, she called that "Awkward", I called it a fireable offence, we all know why she wasn't.
After her not being particularly receptive to kino, the topic moved to a LJBF minefield, relationships. She'd just gotten divorced, she told me I actually met her ex husband in the car, unsurprisingly he was completely quiet throughout the interaction. She then told me that she was currently seeing someone in a city on the other side of the country, when asked why, she told me because he "Challenges her, makes her want to be a better person and makes her feel like a princess". From there I knew I was talking to the hollow plate of someone with a far, far higher SMV than me, 20 years of age difference will do that. I couldn't help but laugh, I asked her wether or not she thought it was just too much of a convenience that the guy she'd found and the traits she'd listed were the same thing (Traits that any woman wrapped up in tingles has), she couldn't draw a connection.
If I wasn't enlightened, I could easily become her gay best friend. But in half an hour someone who I thought was a pretty together human turned out to be one of the most solipsistic and vapid women I've met this year. I now know why endorsed contributors have no respect for the women they fuck and why they never move above being a plate. I'm throughly disappointed this is the calibre of woman I have to look forward to, and have now lost whatever was left of my blue pill pedestal.
Lessons learned:
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No matter how well presented they are, all women are like that.
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Women are incapable of understanding their own Solipsism.
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I have little to no SMV with women older than me.
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The reason why contributors endorse plates is because it's the best way to deal with them.
- Lifting is more important than anything.

Thotwrecker 10y ago
At 18 the best thing you can do is go experience life rather than reading about it. You determine what you have to look forward to.
Women can be good if you are a great man; they are as good as they have to be to get the desirable males in their life.
I endorse plates because you're at an age where you are still forming your frame and sense of identity. A hot girl who's had more experience being high value and getting what she wants through manipulation WILL stunt on your face and WILL pull you away from your life goals by fucking with your state. Plates keep enough distance that you don't wind up relying on her and becoming a bitch. When you get a LTR, your mind starts to forget the universal truth of RP - you are in this ALONE - and you get soft.
Don't worry about women dude. Fuck this shit, you need a plan to get to the top 1% of men. Women are beautiful when you're at the top and they want you. Trust me, if you are better than them and they know it, they treat you well and are fun, energizing concentrates of emotion. Instead of draining you and frustrating you, they will invigorate you. But that only comes when you are superior and they have no doubt of this; if they do not see you as superior, they do all the hamstery bitchy crap you described.
So if you just use the fact that you're young and have time of your side to build a platform of high SMV (career, money, body, game, posture, speech, dress, social status, etc) then you have a lot of great stuff to look forward to.
It is a fundamentally disappointing reality, but it's a beautiful one. You really are free, and freedom is the ultimate male goal. You have so many different paths to high sexual value, and they all are rewarding and fulfilling if you commit your passion and drive to them. The red pill is that women treat 95% of men like dogshit, and 4% like human beings, and 1% like gods.
All you should be thinking about is how you're going to reach that 1% or at least 5%. Don't be thinking about women and solipsism and hypergamy and cock carousel and wall and such and such, don't worry about that shit. Think about what you are going to be great at, how you're going to construct a great career and life, and how your going to intellectually, physically, and emotionally improve yourself every day. How are you going to become a superior male? What's the plan?
If you don't have a deep, multifaceted plan that has some short term aspects and some multi-year aspects... if you are not currently progressing in your large-scale mission as a man... then how are you better than these dumb thots spending their alimony on a bimmer lease? You have superior faculties as a man, and thus, the threshold is higher for you, more is expected from you.
catacamas 10y ago
Women don't like younger men ... when I was 18 few women looked at me, I thought I was ugly. Around my mid-20s I started getting a lot more attention, getting told a lot by women that I was good-looking, it took me a long time to believe it. But you need to work on it.
SarsaparillaCorona 10y ago
That's the way I think about it. Everything I do now is going towards having the best SMV by the time I'm 20, it's just disappointing I can't get much apart from a shitty "Love is worth more than sex" lip service LTR from a teen.
catacamas 10y ago
Note 'women don't like younger men' is of course just a generalization, not an absolute 100% rule (maybe more like, 90% of cases) ... so I guess if there's a chance in a particular situation, may be worth a try to go for it. But one will probably have a better 'success rate' if one goes for women closer to one's age or younger.
Do you 'look younger' than the average man you that is your age? I know I have a 'young look', I look anything from 5 to 15 years younger than I am. So the girls hardly noticed me. but did more so as I got a bit older.
I had my first gf (and sex) at 18 and she was I think 21 at the time.
SarsaparillaCorona 10y ago
I give off an aura of maturity (Because of my deep voice and RP tendencies), so people place me as a 20 something.
catacamas 10y ago
If I was 18 again, I'd probably focus on dating women around the same age e.g. 17 or 18, and just trying to have fun and enjoy myself, most relationships from that age mostly don't last anyway. There is no love like young love ... and there will be girls who want sex too. 'Gather rosebuds' as they say.
SarsaparillaCorona 10y ago
Indeed, friends of mine seem to have success so when I reach their SMV I might too.
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
Odds are that the BMW is not paid for and she has piles of student loans and big credit card debts.
She's basically screaming out:
"I'm trapped in debt, working too much, and want out."
Post Wall.
What the hell are you thinking?
This woman is 38?
She's a Cougar.
catacamas 10y ago
25 and divorced already is a bit of a red flag in itself. I can practically guarantee she didn't pay for that BMW, unless she was doing hooking or something.
SarsaparillaCorona 10y ago
She's 25, which is why I was so shocked.
Battle-Scars 10y ago
She's 25, her crosstown Alpha is 38.
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
She's 25 and you are 18.
Doing the math:
25 - 18 = 7
7 / 18 = ~ 40% older than you.
At 25 years old she's likely deeply in debt.
Find an 18 year old girl with no debt and have some fun with her.
This old chick has already failed and is already nearing the Wall. (30)
SarsaparillaCorona 10y ago
Indeed she has, at least she's got some pretty toys...
Battle-Scars 10y ago
This woman is 38?
I'm not OP, I was pointing out the summary said she was 25 and in the body it put the age of her Alpha at 38.
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
Still, this is an 18 year old "boy" looking into the life of a 25 year old "older woman" who sounds like is under serious distress with heavy debts and work burnout.
The Red Flags are just too blatant on this one.
The 25 year old woman is already nearing the Wall.
Seven years is a huge difference at that age.
xkulp8 10y ago
Or it is paid for... by her ex husband.
SarsaparillaCorona 10y ago
Didn't think of that, very likely.
catacamas 10y ago
That was my first thought too .. probably part of a 50% settlement or something. If so, she may be looking for men with money ... that's the other thing about 18yo's, they generally have few financial assets.
SarsaparillaCorona 10y ago
Can confirm, my last $30 went to my gym membership.
NightwingTRP 10y ago
Assume all guns are loaded.
Grow a beard.
It is the most practical solution to the modern conundrum.
Finding and pursuing your mission is more important than anything. Your statement is only true if bodybuilding/fitness/professional sport is your mission. Plus most of those guys point out that nutrition/diet is even more important.
CopperFox3c 10y ago
This is all classic RP advice. The only difference is now, OP, you know why we say it.
SarsaparillaCorona 10y ago
Perhaps I should add a caveat to the last one. At the moment, in the transitionary time between my school years (or potential full time employment), improving my SMV is what I can put the most effort into, and apart from reading and practicing game (which I count this FR as doing so), improving my strength and physical appearance is the best thing I can do to improve my options.
NightwingTRP 10y ago
No. Think about what you want to do with your life. Don't see it as a transition time to do nothing. This is the time when you need to be starting a plan for whatever your mission is. Speaking as someone who came to it late and just pursued money for the sake of money, if I'd known earlier then I would have planned better and lived my life completely differently and I'd likely be further forward today (well duh! more time invested) than I am now.
My caveat is that there is no harm in what you're doing. It's actively good and continuing to raise your base SMV is never time wasted... but seriously, go away and start thinking about what you want to do with your life and start doing it sooner rather than later. It'll pay off in the long term.
(Edited for a minor punctuation mistake that was pissing me off.)
SarsaparillaCorona 10y ago
The idea is my Business degree will help me decide, I know it's somewhere in that area.
hva_vet 10y ago
You are miles ahead by recognizing solipsism, feelz, and hamstering for what they are...at 18 years young. If only I knew about those things when I was that age.
You do have high SMV with
crazywomen who are older than you. Be very careful here. If you are not fully cognizant of your SMV they can and will use and abuse you if you let them. But like I said, you are miles ahead by even recognizing these things so keep it up.[deleted] 10y ago
They aren't all complete garbage but none of them are ideal, and they certainly aren't the quality that our grandparents had.
Some are serviceable enough to keep around for a time. Finding one that is worth having a kid with is difficult. Sounds like you found a bad one but they get much, much worse.
Those that are worth having get locked down early and permanently, the trick is getting access to the good ones. You are still in the young age group where it isn't creepy to target those girls, stay the fuck away from cougars and get approaching.
TRPMaidenSlayer 10y ago
Did she? Or did you completely miss some ulterior motive here?
You're young, have some fun, and stop over-thinking and worrying about other people's problems. In due time you'll waste a hell of a lot less time with people like this, or worrying about their finances.
juliusstreicher 10y ago
I think that she wanted to fuck him, but, he was too invested in re-training her thought patterns to catch on.
BTW, "I want to see your weiner" doesn't mean the same thing as "I want to meet your dog". Just sayin...
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