The goal of this month's challenge picks up where last month left off. We're focusing on raising your SMV by becoming more outgoing and socially savvy, this time with the focus being on:
Make 30 minutes of small talk with women a day.
Hired guns, family, and coworkers do NOT count.
Every day you should be striking up short conversations with women. I don't care if it's 30 minutes with one woman, or 1 minute conversations with 30 women over the course of the day.
The places you speak to women can be just as varied as last month's challenge, such as elevators, walking to or from work, waiting for a light to change, shopping, and so on. Force yourself to say something, anything, and try to keep the conversation going by using my "Gift of Gab" tips in this thread which I've fleshed out below:
Simple ways to do break the ice are to ask for the time, comment on the weather, simply state "how about that game the other day?", or anything that comes to mind really.
Over the course of the month log how many women you made small talk with each day and what you said to get the ball rolling (if you even remember what it was you said). Above all else, do not stop being social with everyone.
Also, make a mental note of which types of comments work and which ones do not, and pay attention to the type of person each works with and doesn't. Reflect on this and use this insight for making small talk in the future as this will lead into the next month's challenge.
Gift of Gab
The key to keeping a conversation going is to realize nearly every statement has two topics (or more). Natural conversation isn’t just a series of questions followed by answers, it’s mostly statements spun off into new directions. This is the “gift of gab”. Just remember you’ve got to get off the topic you broke the ice with (openers) as quickly as possible, ideally within the first minute or so.
Natural conversations aren’t a series of yes & no questions, nor do they typically follow a linear progression. They transition, go off on tangents, and have a very dynamic flow. Don’t be afraid of using non-sequitors either. Another option is to make an observation. A great one for the purpose of transitioning is ACCENTS. Even if she doesn’t have one, that can be something you can use. Justify when you’re mentioning it and proceed as normal.
The baseline “secret” of making a connection is to tap into conversational topics that resonate with the other person. Having a few topics of conversation already in mind is good mental prepartion, but beyond the scope of this thread. For now I just want to focus on buiding that initial connection and rapport. Some ways of doing this are:
Relating your own experiences using THOUGHTS and EMOTIONS. For example, when telling a story don't just spit out a bunch of facts of events and what happened. Tell her what was running through your head and what you were feeling when the event occurred. Use analogies as well for things that women might be more familiar with (shopping & movies are huge).
Bad conversation:
My TV broke last weekend during the game so picked up a new one Monday after work and of course Best Buy sucked as usual.
Good conversation:
I was watching TV last weekend and just as my favorite team was making the last drive to tie the game it broke. Just...poof. Nothing. I was soooo frustrated. Have you ever been watching something you were so into and then your power or cable go out and you miss a really important part? Doesn't that suck? Worst still is when I went to Best Buy the sales people were no help. Ever been shopping and everyone sorta just ignores you? Hellooo! I'm right hear people! Talk about frustrating. You know what I mean? I just kept thinking to myself 'I wonder what would happen if I just made up some popcorn in the appliances section and kicked off my shoes and lounged on the couch and popped a movie into the display setup they have?' That would kick ass and you KNOW they'd come running to see what's up.
Get the idea? Thoughts, emotions, and use what I call "checking in" to see if they're following along:
You know what I mean... Have you ever...
You want them nodding their head, or even better...piggybacking on your conversation thread and injecting their own stories as they relate to yours. A good way of getting them invested in the conversation is opened ended questions. A few examples are:
What was that like? Really?
Past & future projections. Try and steer topics away from the present tense as we tend to resort to fact-mode, which is one of the fastest ways to make a woman’s eyes glaze over. Instead try to talk about fun things you've done in the past, or hope to do in the future. We tend to become much more animated and ourselfs energetic which keeps things lively. It’s also amazing how simple it is finding commonalities while painting the rich canvas of your life. The better you get at using emotional language that women can connect with, the more powerful your game will become. Granted it's not an always on thing. You will need to learn where and when to turn it on, and that comes from experience.
Open Ended Questions. If you ever get stuck just remember the gradeschool questions that were drilled into you since childhood:
- What
- Where
- Why
- When
- How
Note: "Who?" is already covered--it's either you or the woman you're talking to.
These tips should give you a huge leg up on keeping the conversation going.

VickerC 10y ago
This works, and I'm only getting started (ended 10 year relationship recently). Just put some effort in it. You get better. Example: I ordered a hamburger and some fries last week and the girl behind the counter started typing 10 different numbers on her calculator. I asked: "I hope thats not my bill" with a big smile. And before you know it she starts acting nervous and even apologizing for typing in the numbers wrong. But in the end, I had a good chat with her. How simple can it be. With more practice, I could have taken her home ;)
boozoboozo 10y ago
Small talk; from a Jewfag to any wonderful other Jewwwie people on here.
http://nightiingale.deviantart.com/journal/Choice-Coconuttty-TLP-Quote-587745728
((((Runs for the hills WITH EYES to the sound of muse icks))))
boozoboozo 10y ago
Forgive me i have nothing of value to this conversation, except to echo something intelligent i found on the internet that helped my daughters (who also frequent reddit)
PantsonFire1234 10y ago
Just one small adjustment. Talk slow and with a guyish style. Also keep your tone low and remember to always talk with moderation. Ideally you'd want to talk less than the girl.
Also after she says something, have a couple of moments where you just look at her. Holding silences sometimes can be a great attraction booster. Use that time to hold eye contact and think of a smart answer. She will be hanging on your every word.
[deleted] 10y ago
I don't know if it's okay to ask here or not, if not please delete my comment. It's my first comment here. My English is not good, so please try to understand if i make some mistakes.
I am working on my social anxiety for some years, in past i can't go outside from my house, now i have joined mma, and a language class. When i joined language class i was not talking what i have thinking in my mind, means all was in my mind, but now i speak what i have in my mind. But problem is talking to strangers feel uncomfortable, it has become habit for me to remain quite with new people. Now i go everyday outside, but i don't know what to talk to others, like only things which come in my mind is to ask direction. Sometimes i think if i will talk to a girl what she will think, if she become angry, or i did something wrong, or if her boyfriend will be near(fear of confrontation), what others will think. Like if i go outside than one day i talk to two or three people but other day i don't talk to anyone. Sometimes i make excuses like she is not looking good then why talk. So guys, give some suggestions to overcome these problems, and something which i can ask to others other than direction or time.
Dexetime 10y ago
BLah blah blah.
As a Hot Woman With A Banging Body you talk too much.
Tell her what she wants to hear. If you spit good game, she'll follow.
Supermodels = Supermen. THey're not dumb. Just goddess.
Try asking one out. They like funny, charming Nice Guys. (better than rad-fem blue pillers)
pTJoe1234 10y ago
I'm new to this sub and all though a little late, I will take this challenge. I'm terrible in social situations so I would appreciate an accountability buddy to help me stay on track, I'm in Canada, Eastern time
94redstealth 10y ago
30 mins a day? I wish I had that kind of time to talk to anyone outside of family/work
[deleted] 10y ago
just wanted to chime in. I used to break the ice with the old "how is your day going so far." I know it seems pretty basic but it works every single time. Asking someone to recall recent memory engages the brain in a positive way and usually sparks pretty decent conversation.
CunnyFunts 10y ago
I've read through a lot of TRP theories and posts and often try to do these challenges, however I struggle with determining how to approach someone at random. I've read about who and i've read how to keep the conversation going, what i can't figure out is how to break the initial ice. It's easy with hired guns as there's a reason you can start a conversation.
I'm a introvert (still to some extent but definitely trying to work on it) and i can't yet figure out how to strike up the conversation with random people with which I would have no reason to talk to. Any tips?
[deleted] 10y ago
"How are you doing today?" and appear calmly genuinely interested in their answer
RedPillCosby 10y ago
I will take part in this challenge.
Day 1: Spoke with nurse about her life, where she's from, what she studied, and random banter.
RedPillCosby 10y ago
Day 17: Spoke with a cab driver about how Walmart is shitty.
RedPillCosby 10y ago
Day 16: Spoke with five girls, while doing some marketing work.
RedPillCosby 10y ago
Day 15: Spoke with girl in class.
RedPillCosby 10y ago
Day 14: Spoke with lady at hospital about her children. Long conversation.
RedPillCosby 10y ago
Day 12: Spoke to cab driver at length.
RedPillCosby 10y ago
Day 13: Spoke to cab driver about music, especially blues and guitar based music.
TRP_Werther 10y ago
Great work, haven't seen other users log progress as you have.
Maybe in the future /u/bsutansalt could emphaise progress tracking in the OP.
It has helped me a lot to stay focused on challenges and provides a good basis for reflection, which could benefit others
RedPillCosby 10y ago
Yeah, and thanks! It's actually hard to find women to talk to for 30 minutes at length, so occasionally, it's just guys.
TRP_Werther 10y ago
Yeah that's why I didn't bother with it, I did the general small talk challenge because it seemed reasonable, but talking to a random woman for 30 mins is a fair stretch.
Keep doing what your doing, ill see you next challenge
RedPillCosby 10y ago
Day 11: Spoke to journalist at length (30 minutes), and cab driver (another 20 minutes)
RedPillCosby 10y ago
Day 10: Spoke with cab drivers twice, and complimented bedazzled neck tattoo of girl.
RedPillCosby 10y ago
Day 9: Spoke with nurse at hospital. Lightly flirtatious.
RedPillCosby 10y ago
Day 8: Helped conduct a class at university.
RedPillCosby 10y ago
Day 7: Spoke to guitar shop guy. 20 minutes
RedPillCosby 10y ago
Day 6: Spoke with a doctor and her RN
RedPillCosby 10y ago
Day 5: Spoke with teammate in class. 10 minutes
RedPillCosby 10y ago
Day 2: Spoke with another nurse, talking to her about where she's from and how she likes LA compared to where she is now. (5 minutes) Banter with other people at hospital.
RedPillCosby 10y ago
Day 4: Spoke with girls who approached me for a class team. Spoke with more girls in a different class.
RedPillCosby 10y ago
Day 3: Spoke at length with Uber driver.
Sdom1 10y ago
An interesting side benefit of this policy is the knowledge you gain from the effect of your outer appearance (your SMV, dress, socioeconomic stratum, body language, etc) on the flow, or lack thereof, of your conversation. If that hot girl gives you one word answers and seems incredibly uninteresting, she may or may not be. Often, she has just judged your SMV to be well below hers and as such doesn't want to "give you the wrong idea." So, she applies what I call a "conversational tourniquet" and simply shuts down your ability to branch as mentioned in the OP. There are ways around that, but if you're just starting out you won't be able to pull it off and it will be discouraging.
It's often really easy to tell what someone thinks of you within a minute of talking to them.
vengefully_yours 10y ago
This works and it's incredibly easy to do. Had appointments today, I struck up conversation with five girls, three were highly receptive one actually hitting on me and giving me "just fuck me" looks, she is short, long black hair with piercings in her nose and lip. I made no less than ten old ladies smile, and spoke to four or five random men.
This all happened in the medical center and Target. If they make eye contact I usually speak to them, it depends on the body language they present as to what I say or do.
This is how I fuck girls half my age, by working on being affable, outgoing, and interesting. I only do day game, hardly any bar/club game at all, though I can make it work in a slow quiet bar. If you aren't comfortable talking to anyone, you'll have a damn hard time talking to attractive girls and getting laid.
I wasn't always outgoing, I had to work at it, and I have to continually stay in practice.
RedMoonAscendant 10y ago
I really hope you're older than 30.
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(Yes, my error is a joke within a joke)
vengefully_yours 10y ago
No interest in 15 year olds, 18 and up, sure. Im 46.
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Forgive me for not being interested in girls half my age. That would be illegal lol
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FieldLine 10y ago
I know how to talk to strangers - the issue I have is with physical escalation/kino. I know that's beyond the scope of this month's challenge, but can you offer any quick, practical advice? I haven't found any great posts in the TRP archives that discuss this.
vengefully_yours 10y ago
It's the same as talking to people, start with fistbumps, if she gives positive body language, go to touching her arm or whatever is closest to you. You know the trope of making tbe move on her in a movie theater to put your arm around her? Like that but without the awkward hesitation and lack of confidence. Touch her like it's an after thought. Get her to touch you back. If she playfully hits you, escalate faster because she is digging on you. If she is reluctant to fist bump, disengage and chat up some other girl.
I stopped at two more establishments after writing that before, and got very obvious ioi from a girl that works at the local junkyard. She was trying very hard to get my attention, and she isn't ugly so I might talk to her later. I ignored her for the most part, then said something teasingly and she lit up. Interest confirmed.
In addition to talking to girls, kino, and escalating, learn body language. Knowing what she is expressing will save you from making a fool of yourself, and let you know which girls to talk to. There's a sub about girls admiring men, go in there, watch the videos, look at the pics, learn the expressions. Then go sit in a busy public area and watch girls looking at the tall guys in the place, and how they react to the sloppy fat losers. Just watch them. When you see them look at you in epithet of those ways, you'll know if she is interested or not.
When they show interest, initiate kino and escalate, get her into a more private area and escalate more. They bristle at being put on the spot by a man they don't know, unless she is wildly attracted to him, so go for the close when she isn't being watched and thus isn't throwing up asd.
[deleted] 10y ago
Thanks for your comment. I'm trying damn hard go learn to be more outgoing, gregarious and socially competent but it goes against alot of my natural instincts and its been a very slow process. Progress is progress though, and posts like yours encourage me to keep grinding.
vengefully_yours 10y ago
Keep grinding, I had to. I was almost entirely loathed in school until 10th grade. Due to a forced diet (allergies) I was the fat kid until 8th grade. I had to win people over, and in the past even talking to them meant a beating, derision from guys, or bitchiness if it was a girl. So I had a visceral fear to overcome, because getting beaten senseless wasn't enjoyable, just getting ignored or told no was nothing to me.
By 11 and 12, I had lots of girls in school wanting to fuck or date me, but after the way they were just two years prior, they got nowhere. I changed everything about myself, I went from being the weak fat kid the the strongest in school and the only wrestler who could pin the entire team, even the heavier guys. I went from being afraid of everyone to knowing I could kick their ass if I wanted, and that gave me incredible confidence.
That's why we say lift, learn some kind of martial arts, and get out and talk to people.
Primemale 10y ago
It does come I promise you, I used to assume I was just an ''introvert'' actually it was lack of practice, now I am much like 'vengefully yours' above, and like he said without practice it does go, but with it you become social dynamite. People often wonder how it is I can start up a conversation with ANYONE and make it flow so naturally, the secret is being comfortable with it and of course that only comes with practice, start slow and get bigger with each interaction (within the same day). This will of course help in all aspects of life, business, friends, and of course, chicks.
[deleted] 10y ago
This is a perfect challenge for me this month really. I've been avoiding small talk because I feel like its useless and boring but the more I do it the better I get, and the better I get the more comfortable I am opening strangers in general. I am actually more comfortable in the middle of conversations (mid-level investment from my "marks") and often comfortably and effectively lead with stories, remarks and questions. But for some reason I always feel needy striking uo conversation with a stranger, like im lonely and need a friend lol. I think this is all about not over-investing though or showing too much interest/flattery.
Another thing that I'm not really good at is asking for numbers, facebooks and pursuing follow-up encounters. Again this feels like one of those moments where I " need" something from that person. How do I make them want my information? I am asked for info every now and then, but its almost always me doing the legwork, which I'd be OK with if more of my attempts resulted in follow-up encounters but most are usually ignored or brushed off without any more follow-up on their end. After pulling a number (friend, contact or woman) and following up, should I ever invite then out again after the first 1/2 attempts? Should I wait for them to counter-offer after I make the first invite?
Primemale 10y ago
But for some reason I always feel needy striking uo conversation with a stranger, like im lonely and need a friend lol.
Try to keep it fun and energetic, that way it seems that your just having fun on your terms, rather than being ''needy'' once you get into the swing of it, you won't feel needy and therefore you won't be perceived as such, if you feel that way your heart won't be in it and likely you will come across as needy etc. This is why I said about building up the interactions, you might start with ''hey how are you?'' with the first person. The next person you might comment on something they are wearing or doing briefly, this can be done in a nonchalant way to avoid feeling ''over-invested'' (although some level of interest is needed-otherwise why are you asking?) People like to be asked about and listened to, we all do.
Once you've built up from the previous interactions you will be ready to casually take your phone out and get them on facebook etc. If your not getting responses then your were not sufficiently interesting in the brief encounter to warrant meeting later.
and following up, should I ever invite then out again after the first 1/2 attempts? Should I wait for them to counter-offer after I make the first invite? IMO no you shouldn't, ABUNDANCE MENTALITY afterall. Start the process again, this time make an effect, Smiling and nodding is underrated, use positive open body language, if you make other people feel good they WILL want to see you again period.
CQC3 10y ago
Working retail sucked, but looking back I think it made my ability to chat up random strangers much better than it would have been without.
Old people were the best honestly, not only are they more willing to small talk with you, but it's very clear that their ability to have a conversation is WELL above most younger people. The younger people (let's say...people 30 and below), tended to compartmentalize conversations, they worry too much about artificial casualness. Everybody--even socially outgoing people are shit at being comfortably intimate even in the smallest aspects.
The older folks could converse and naturally shift from casual topics into more personal ones without it being forced or unusual.
FinallyRed 10y ago
Do you think that just has to do with experience or is it a sign of the times? I can't help but wonder at the situations I get into in public where, if it weren't for the ready distraction of smartphones, it would be way too awkward for the people to not talk to each other. I think this is stunting our social development.
CQC3 10y ago
A little bit of both. If you think about it, the progression of consumer tech has exploded since the 90's, exponentially. We went from having shitty CPU's and dial up to high speed internet and smart phones with the same capabilities in a matter of 15 years.
Social media and tech aren't themselves stunting people, or social development and how deep we bond. Rather it's still pretty new and we are still seeing the impacts of such things on a test generation or two basically lol. It all depends on how well educated people become about the impacts of technology in our lives. It's definitely something I've become increasingly vigilant about. Every generation has always wanted to look back to a simpler time, but technology will progress, so it is important to become aware of the pitfalls of it and learn to use it--and not have it use us. Currently, tech uses us. That's no surprise when everything has become very dependent on internet. Aside from utilities, a lot of people spend a lot of time fucking around on the net mindless.
There are many aspects to this, so it's not so simple. At the least however, I can say with confidence that humans in general aren't THAT much different than our prior generations. Only the differences in lifestyle and technology dramatically alter how we interact with others. Our grandparents weren't more socially adept than us just because, but it was simply because they were forced for all of their lives to practice socializing head on.
FinallyRed 10y ago
Yes I agree. My generation wasn't put onto the whole smartphone trend until we were about 15. Basic communication surely is fine but I wonder about the fine-tuning of our social skills. I totally agree with you that it's up to us to use technology responsibly, but it's an individual pursuit. Until it is known how this effects communication skills, people will use it mindlessly and potentially harmfully and I can't make choices for anyone but myself.
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CQC3 10y ago
Well, it wasn't all that short, but compared to many I've met, yes short I suppose. I'm finishing up school and I'll be getting the fuck out as soon as possible.
That being said, anybody in retail who doesn't want to die there could always swap to some shitty call center job or some sharky commission based place. It might not be easy and it will be stressful, but it pays better compared to retail and if you can survive you can actually move up pretty quick to a management position.
There is literally no reason to work retail if you're trying to work your way up somewhere. Retail is the worst for it, mostly depending on the companies. Especially dept. stores or shit mall jobs. Those places make their livings exploiting the young or the old, never in the middle.
vengefully_yours 10y ago
That's why I have always talked to older people, especially veterans. Always good stories.
RedMoonAscendant 10y ago
I love/hate large social situations. I always get "stuck" talking to some small group of men for the entire night, because they're 200x more exciting than any woman. So I get some great conversation about amazing things, but don't really spend much time talking to the ladies.
[deleted] 10y ago
funny, I've always felt the opposite. Many guys want to talk about just work, which gets old quick.
Whirly315 10y ago
How do you know if you didn't talk to the women? A lot are basic, but I've met some lovely feminine conversationalists
ElementArrow 10y ago
What magical place is this "Feminine Conversationalist" at?
Whirly315 10y ago
They are hiding in plain sight. The only way you can uncover them is by continuing your journey and pressing "A" at every NPC as they spew the same mindless bullshit until you find the handful of characters that will help you along your journey.
ElementArrow 10y ago
If i had gold/money I would give it to you. Great anology friend!
Whirly315 10y ago
I appreciate sincere compliments more than reddit gold. We're good hommie
reecewagner 10y ago
lol I know what was meant by "good conversation", but that is not good conversation at all bud. If you ever say a string of sentences like "Ever been shopping and everyone sorta just ignores you? Hellooo! I'm right hear people! Talk about frustrating. You know what I mean?" to a woman, just step on your own dick so i don't have to.
FieldLine 10y ago
Just want to add that as you develop more confidence, if you aren't feeling on your game one day and keep striking out you should check the overall health of your system. Make sure you've been eating properly, you're hydrated, well rested, etc. I often find that after I've been reading/studying/coding for an extended period of time I don't hit it off as well with people, usually because I haven't been drinking enough water.
CanIHaveSomeGum 10y ago
Is that why? Some days I'll be on top of my game and be able to have great conversation with just about anyone (even really hot chicks). Then other days I'll be all in my head and fumbling with words trying to talk to an old man. I don't get it.
CyberChutney 10y ago
The coding thing is tough. I always find after a 8-hour coding session that I can't string words together to make a coherent sentence for a while. Programming must turn off the part of the brain that does conversation/social stuff or something like that.
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Seriously. When I was doing programming, I always had so much trouble, just like you say. Funny thing is, I had no problem being social in college, or on the weekends, or after I left that career. It was just the days where I only spoke robot that I couldn't speak human.
RedMoonAscendant 10y ago
Too right. The computer is austist/logic. Humans are Machiavelli. Two totally different skillsets.
[deleted] 10y ago
I think a lot of that too just has to do with getting 'warmed up' almost for lack of a better word. Getting your mind in the right state.
Read an article about going out to bars alone to pick up chicks and the author said he would start in the morning and just talk to everyone he saw throughout the entire day to get the ball rolling and build himself up. Cashiers, Strangers, just anyone you come across say something and get your social juicess flowing. It's a tactic I've incorporated into my own life when I plan on going out that night.
Point being, I think after sitting at a computer for 8 hours without saying a word it might take you some time to roll back into a more "social" state of mind.
You wouldnt jump to benching 315 without some warmup sets in there first.
psilocyTim 10y ago
That "good conversation" seems way too emotional for a man. When my tv breaks down I don't get soooo frustrated. I'm like, shit, and I go try n get it replaced. Stoicism does kind of make for boring, though, but wouldn't a chick get turned off by how seemingly big a deal it was that your tv broke down and you had to get it replaced?
bsutansalt 10y ago
It's just an example. Don't miss the forest for the trees.
Primemale 10y ago
Your being too literal, the good conversation in comparison to other one is more interesting, its asks questions to check she is listening and engaging her, it's funny, shows confidence and good conversational skills. You would get better results with that even if it was about your tv breaking down than the boring first one, which you would probably get a polite smile or forced laugh at best.
psilocyTim 10y ago
Thanks for clearing that up man, that does make a lot of sense
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psilocyTim 10y ago
Wdym my story? And where did you deduce that I struggle really hard to be stoic?
I was just asking a question bro, not sure where youre coming from.
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tag2man 10y ago
I'm in. Melbourne Australia if anyone is looking to buddy up.
epixs 10y ago
If any of you are short on cash, get a side part time job in the nightlife industries on weekends. I learned so many social skills from just forcing myself into these social situations.
The amount of opportunities you get are amazing and you can just test everything out and learn from the mistakes and success.
throwaway-aa2 10y ago
yeah like what? Everytime this is suggested, someone eventually admits that it's incredibly hard to break through here. I'd LOVE to be a bartender on the weekends for even free possibly, but there's just so much fucking competition for a bartender... and it's like, what else can you do? You need to be HUGE to be a bouncer... you know what I mean?
EntitledShitHead 10y ago
Looking for an accountability partner. PM if you're interested. I live in the US.
J_AsapGem 10y ago
i find the hardest thing to do is break the ice, i guess is the confidence that you give off when you ask the question that matters.
bsutansalt 10y ago
How to approach has already been done to death. Look thought my submitted thread's history or go over to /r/seduction and search on my old account by author:bobsutan. You'll see my stuff there in the NEWBIES READ THIS and has TONS of approaching how-tos.
edit: here's a good starting point:
/r/seduction/comments/l5sku/newbies_read_this_attraction_approaching/
NaughtyFred 10y ago
30 minutes/30 women is way to much for a reforming social retard like me.
I'll participate as much as I can, should be able to get at least one a day at the grocery store (no employees).
Serious question: How will I know if they think I'm "weird"? I don't want to shit where I eat.
bsutansalt 10y ago
Then don't approach women at work or in your immediate area where your propinquity is highest. Instead try going to another town over and get your practice there.
NaughtyFred 10y ago
Currently not an option, I'll sit this round out.
billcosbyeatsbabies 10y ago
don't give in, never give up. when the pain and adversity hits you, you just make minor adjustments and push forward. when it becomes too much, keep adjusting to the pain. make it work. don't fucking let up, dont give in. there's always options, instead of 30mins a day make it 2 or 3. then 5, then 7. find a bitch, any bitch. text her, fb that shit. if you fail, try again. there's always more. build rapport, slowly, casually. after you've been building rapport with that hoe for a while you should be talking to her for a dozen minutes a day, then you find another one. now you're talking to two girls a day and it's make minor adjustments until you're at 30mins talking to several bitches a day. work on it. keep moving. make adjustments to the failure and push forward. learn from your mistakes, dont let in.
RedMoonAscendant 10y ago
A rule a buddy and I made when we were warming up for the evening: must open 10 sets. Doesn't matter if the set is a 70-yr-old bag lady, a group of bros going to the gym, or three supermodels about to go on stage.
Just talk to the first 10 people you see. Say "Hello!" Say "How are you?" Say whatever.
It was fucking AMAZING the difference in how you'd feel before you started and after you finished.
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It's not really that hard. Talk to cashiers, receptionists, whatever, and just try to steer the conversation away from "all business". Talk about your day, ask about her new years eve and whether she had fun, etc. Talk to men and women who you don't feel attracted to, I'm counting those minutes against my goal because I'm aiming to become more socially competent in general not just chatting up girls. But don't use that as an excuse. Warm up with the easy challenges, and when the opportunity comes to make conversation with a hottie, just sack up and do it. Doesn't matter if it goes nowhere or ends up awkward, take it from me, its alot better than being too much of a pussy to even try.
NaughtyFred 10y ago
I thought "hired guns" meant no employees! That makes it easier. Most of the people I talked to during last months challenge were women anyway.
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Ah, I missed that part. Makes sense. Still, practice is practice, and it costs you nothing.
RedMoonAscendant 10y ago
I personally don't see a problem with the hired guns, as long as you keep it brief and realize that particular interaction will never progress to a close of any sort, and also probably won't calibrate you to rejection, since they're not in a shit-testing mode.
Bung_Eye 10y ago
How do you end a conversation? I find most of the time when I end a coversation it's relatively awkward or knd of out of place. Specifically if I'm doing/going to something that I've already got in mind.
For example, When I'm at the gym talking to someone, but before I've started my session, I end it abruptly (not on purpose), purely because I've got in my mind that I should be doing 'X'.
RedMoonAscendant 10y ago
I figure look at your watch and say "Great talking to you, later!"
If you have no watch, a quick "Oh damn, what time is it?" and if she doesn't know, bolt, and if she does, "Great talking to you, see you later!"
Oh, I see. You're in a convo where it's awkward to leave. I've found it's rarely as awkward as I used to imagine to just... stop talking... and start doing your own thing.
bsutansalt 10y ago
It's nice meeting you, but I need to blah blah blah. Could be go to work, catch a train, whatever.
If you did things correctly and built some commonalities and established a reason to stay in touch, namely that you've already determined you'd both like to do xyz, then you can get their contact info so you can do xyz at some point in the future. This is called setting up a date :) Having already established you want to do go something together will knock your flake rate down dramatically rather than just going around getting numbers for the sake of getting numbers like a lot of PUAs do (and then wonder why 9 out of 10 women flake out on them when they try to meet up later).
The goal of the above conversational tactics is to draw out information from a woman and to keep a conversation going. The reason for this is to build some rapport and generate some investment on her part, which is what translates to attraction.
As I stated earlier, the point of keeping things going is to identifying commonalities, which is a large part of why one needs to become conversationally savvy. Generating investment through qualification and making statements are simple ways of making sure they’ll want to keep things going. Another good way of making sure you talk about topics they’re interested in is to discuss the 4 most popular female topics as evidenced by female media (eg Cosmo):
Relate something about yourself to one of those and you’re off to a great start. Seed reasons to close them….AND THEN TALK ABOUT THOSE REASONS. Don’t just mention something and then move away from that conversational thread onto another topic. Flesh things out a bit. Qualify them on the topics at hand. Create a genuine connection and get them invested.
By seeding the conversation with reasons to stay in touch you’re essentially justifying ahead of time why you’re about to swap contact details. Some methods you can use are:
Networking - A typical version is or work purposes and/or professional contact details. You’ll be asking for her details because you might want to swap resumes for a job someone has.
Point of Interest - A Point of Interest is often a specific event, like checking out a museum exhibit you both want to see. You’ll be asking for her details so you can send her the info, or vice versa, about whatever the subject was.
Party - Parties are arguably the most powerful for “game” since it sets the frame you’ll be meeting specifically to socialize. Whether this is a house party, going to karaoke with a large group of friends, or something else is up to you. Ideally this should be an event where you are the center of attention. You’ll be asking for her details so you can get the event’s details to her, or vice versa.
Direct Interest - Direct Interest is the most popular with direct game. You like her and you want to go out some time. End of story.
The last step in all of this that some guys get hung up on is exchanging details. It’s rather straight forward and self-explanatory. A very solid way of doing so though is to not ask for her number directly, but merely saying the following line:
What’s a good way of keeping in touch?
No matter what contact details she gives you, remember she has complied and that’s a good thing. And don’t be dismissive of Facebook. It’s arguably the best form of contact details you can get right now since many check it repeatedly throughout the day, whereas they get in trouble for talking on the phone at work.
To summarize:
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RedMoonAscendant 10y ago
That does seem difficult. I think you're going to have to work extremely hard on body language and non-verbal communication.
I think if you're going to go into the hearing community, your rules of engagement will have to be any non-trivial body interaction. Like give her a fist bump, upon enthusiastic reception of that, smile and look into her eyes. When she's confused, point at your ears. Dip/spin (dance moves) her. That feels like a nontrivial and, if performed with stoic frame, perfectly non-creepy (I think I could do it).
Personally, I find my initial interactions with women as dance moves or kino-esque hand play is always very well-received.
Also, I would avoid attempting any sort of written communication with a girl during a cold interaction. As you noticed, it'll get awkward and fizzle rather quickly.
IamGale 10y ago
Anyone from the UK (or similar time-zone) want to be my accountability partner from this? Don't message me if you're not serious about setting stakes.
EntitledShitHead 10y ago
I'm in the US and I am 6 hours behind your timezone, but I'd still be interested in having an accountability partner. PM if you're interested.
563967325 10y ago
Anyone want to be my accountability partner and Skype daily?
bowie747 10y ago
I believe the correct term is acountabilabuddy
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EntitledShitHead 10y ago
This is a phenomenal idea. Why don't we tell the mods to make this a thing?
TheDialecticParadox 10y ago
Totally agree. This is a great idea.
563967325 10y ago
Yes. You know what'd help even more? If we take turns being the group mentor and talk really sternly, as in "You didn't go to the gym today? Stop being a lazy piece garbage and go RIGHT NOW, or you get kicked out of the group!", "You didn't approach a woman today? Get off your lazy **, go outside and you're not allowed into the group again until it's done!", etc. We can talk to each other as friends, but make sure we don't accept anything but improvement.
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[deleted] 10y ago
don't have skype but I'd love an accountability partner. I can try facetime instead if you like.
563967325 10y ago
I don't have an IPhone but Android. What about WhatsApp?
[deleted] 10y ago
don't have it, just use someone else as an accountability partner. I have a friend who I introduced to trp recently. I'll just use him.
testonator 10y ago
Sounds like a cool idea, Id be up for Skype. Send me a PM with your username and Ill add you
ferri_vorous 10y ago
If my timezone (CET) allows for it, i'd definitely be up for something like this.
testonator 10y ago
We are on the same timezone, send me a PM.
563967325 10y ago
Send me PM too, please. We can do triple-accountability.
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RedMoonAscendant 10y ago
I'm like you: work from home. Probably won't make this challenge. But maybe I'll run out after work for an hour or two the local grocery store and chat up the ladies.
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prodigy2throw 10y ago
If you want to learn how to banter with women watch Craig Fergusons late night interviews with women. The man was an effortless interviewer and would literally just talk about whatever the fuck came in his head. True inspiration.