Summary: Swallowing the Red Pill is like a pendulum. But the way forward is also the way back.
Like many of you, I’m sure, my initial entry into TRP was an eye-opening experience. One in which I very quickly went from one end of the spectrum to the other. I saw the world in a different light, one in which the behaviors I had been taught were my very undoing. Like shooting myself in the foot every day. A shattering of beliefs. And the only way to react to such a massive revelation was to build massive walls. Call it the Anger Phase or whatever you want.
It’s a strange place, a strange time, where you no longer even trust yourself. Your own instincts are suspect, as are the motivations of everyone around you. The easiest, and simplest thing to do, is protect yourself in the coarsest way. A refusal to engage in behaviors you have in the past. For fear of being taken advantage of, or perhaps out of pure vitriol. All is suspect.
Sometimes, in those days, I would refuse to do nice things for people, for women. Even simple things that cost me little or nothing. Because I wasn’t sure where the line was. I had gone so long without boundaries, I had no idea what appropriate ones were. I was taught, in fact, to have no boundaries when it comes to women and their needs. As Pook said, I was taught to be the servant. Or from another perspective, as /u/Archwinger put it, I was nothing but a slave.
But of course, all of us (or at least most) eventually move past that phase. Out into the Depression and Acceptance phases, into a place of greater lucidity. A place where such rigid walls no longer seem a necessity. And that question of “boundaries” persists. The mythos of the Benevolent Alpha looms. The question of course is how to navigate that, and how to so without slipping back into some blue-pill beta self?
Can you be a “good person” and be red pill? /u/OmLaLa and /u/IllimitableMan ‘s excellent posts on Machiavellian approaches aside … this is not a question of “morality” (see the current stickied post). Rather, can you be a person who sees himself as “good”, a positive force in the world?
The ironic thing is that many of the principles that TRP preaches actually make the people around you happier. When you do TRP, and do it well, I have found that both myself and the women in my life are happier. My coworkers are happier. People feel more secure, safer around a strong alpha presence, a strong leader, a strong man. Most people prefer structure. They fear the unknown. They need a path to follow.
A TRP man, his strong presence, is such a path. And the irony is that doing the opposite of what I’ve been told all my life provides this. I was born to be a man. And in failing to be one, I was abdicating a sacred responsibility to myself and others. The world needs strength. Power. And men unafraid to wield it. Otherwise, all we have is chaos.
As such, TRP is really two sides of the same coin … one of anger, drive, and self-determination deep down within the core of men, and the other the ironic consequences that those things bring to the world, the structure and strength, and of course the “tingles” they produce. The real question then, as I moved into the latter stages of the Red Pill, became how to reconcile such individualistic self-determination with the inherent benevolence it produced.
So I’ll end with a little story/field report. I have a couple current plates, one around 22 and the other closer to 30 (I’m in my mid-30’s for reference). Very natural dynamic in these relationships, very paternalistic. Women are like children in many ways, after all.
So I helped the 22-year old move last week. In my earlier Red Pill days, this would be something I would outright refuse. Because obviously I fear being pigeon-holed into some sort of beta supplicant. But the reality is that she is relatively new to the city, doesn’t know a lot of people to help her, and I lift/squat/deadlift and all that shit, so carrying a few boxes is not that much effort (she doesn’t own much furniture here yet, except a bed). So I offered to help.
Now here’s the thing I’ve learned about such benevolence: I keep it in my frame. I helped her move, but did so on my terms. I came over when it was convenient for me. I took immediate control of the situation by asking what needed to be done. I didn’t wait around for orders. I just got shit done. Took the initiative. When she was unsure about some issue (e.g. where/to best load fragile items), I immediately offered a solution, a plan of action.
I like the 22-year old quite a bit, she has some LTR potential, so keeping it on my radar. Of course, there are no unicorns, my friends. But some are better than others. Doesn’t hurt she immediately got me food and fucked my brains out when we were done moving. I gave her the tingles not simply by helping her, but helping her my way. I helped from above, not below. And that is the real point here. The world is more nuanced than simply being an asshole or not being an asshole. Indeed, /u/AmericanHistoryAFBB pointed out on here just the other day that sometimes you gotta sprinkle a little sugar in with that asshole-ness. Or, as /u/NightwingTRP recently put it, having a realistic understanding of the world of modern men.
In short, I helped, but I helped as a leader, in a more alpha way. Not as a servant. Because as a man, your greatest gift to the world is your strong male presence. Own it.

[deleted] 10y ago
True Altruism is possible only with the power. Redpill helps you to achieve that. You can selflessly help somebody only from the position of power. At this point, you don't even think about whether they will return your favor or not. But ironically, they will more likely to want to return the favor because they think helping powerful person makes them powerful.
RedPharaohRising 10y ago
True altruism comes with no strings, and for a beta, EVERYTHING is conditional, and contracted, with invisible fine print.
HeatseekingLogicBomb 10y ago
Great post. Not sure if I can really add too much, you were very articulate.
It's all about what you want out of a relationship. If a plate is really more distant and there's so much less of (any sort of) connection, then yeah, tell her no, translation: get the orbiters she spends more energy on retaining to worry about her. If she provides you with a more fully fledged good-plate experience, then you've got a better situation going; give and take. Help her on your terms, just like OP said.
Because these sort of interpersonal power dynamics are rooted in biology. The same way a female wants to fuck the alpha subconsciously, the other men respect him and look to him for advice, guidance, leadership. The same is true for anyone you can meet.
CopperFox3c 10y ago
As you mention, many things are rooted in biology. It is an inescapable fact ... regardless what the progressive/feminist/SJW camp would have us believe. But the truth is: when we try to deny our biology, we deny ourselves.
Rougepellet 10y ago
The quality posts just keep on coming. Thank you for this, it really gave me new perspective. As someone who was introduced by a friend to TRP 2 years ago and now currently in 1st year of Uni, my tactic was to be kind of an asshole to women. Like an older brother to his bratty little sister. I would also outright refuse to help them in anyway unless they were in dire need of it, lest I be viewed as beta. You've helped me do some deep reflection and shown me it doesn't have to be that way.
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
Moving can be a difficult situation whether you are helping a male or female.
Generally what you do is start out with a "plan of action" of how the move will proceed, then you execute the plan. If there is unpacking involved you generally refuse doing that. You just do the heavy lifting.
They then owe you a favor.
Never forget that they now owe you one... it can mean a round of alcohol or some other exchange but you must at some point retrieve this cost.
Have a very, very, very long memory.
The biggest mistake is in waiting too long to collect.
For guys... pizza and beer is the norm and paid immediately after the lifting ends.
I'll always secure my designated payment method beforehand so as to remove any doubts. (usually you do this by joking around about it, but make it clear enough what you want)
The worst mistake is not saying anything beforehand.
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skoobled 10y ago
Had this recently with a (kinda new) friend. VERY heavy move up to a top (5/6th) floor apartment with no elevator and a fair bit of furniture on a very hot summer's day. He promised the expected burgers and beer thank you but it never happened on the day. Was not amused and later expressed my displeasure which caused further tension. Apparently this isn't the first time for him to take favours for granted. Anyway, I didn't want to break the friendship over it, but he's owed no favours for the future. I'd asked, I guess I'll find an alibi...
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
That's a really lousy friend.
Sometimes a test like this, when failed, allows you to distance yourself from further bad interactions.
Friends never want debts between themselves.
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skoobled 10y ago
Problem is he's a fun guy otherwise. Moral of this tale, though, was downgrade him to "acquaintance"...
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
Nothing wrong wih having second tier acquaintances.
Friendship is mutually earned. Each friend proves themselves in incremental ways and there are times when you can slip backwards and have to build things back up. If this guy wants respect he has to earn it otherwise you are acting as his beta.
This guy is acting like a spoiled girl.
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[deleted] 10y ago
I have a friend who we are constantly helping each other with projects. If he needs me to help him move or build something I step up and do it. He will usually buy dinner afterwards. If I ever need something, or to help him move, or use of his truck, he is a quick phone call away. We have been doing this with each other for well over five years now. There is never talk of financial payments, everything is understood as constantly having a buddy help you with something.
I could NEVER imagine doing this with a woman. Typically anything you do is the past and never expect ANYTHING in the future from it. Past benefit does not entitle one to future benefit in their eyes. When they are done with the usefulness from you they are done with you.
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
With guys you can develop trust over a repeated pattern of reciprocal behavior, but with women she must be treated as a teenager and explained what you want.
It's simple... you help her move and then fuck her.
By the way... I actually had a girlfriend who I was breaking up with (though she didn't know it yet) help me move and I then "paid" her with sex on the new apartments carpet.
True story.
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[deleted] 10y ago
I don't help women very much anymore. It took me forever to figure out that not only did they not appreciate my help, they felt entitled to it. I am very technically capable, I can fix cars, computers, a lot of things. Now I just help bros. It felt kind of weird making the change at first, since I am usually a pretty helpful to everyone, but now it's easy, I usually tell women I am busy or to call a tow truck now. Fuck 'em.
loddfavne 10y ago
It's under 10 days to christmas and RedPill has a nice post about the power to good. My hollyday-spirits went up by 10 points after reading this post. Merry Christmas to you to, Sir!
thisornothing 10y ago
Great post, great message. You articulated something that I was struggling to define myself, having only just started reading TRP in the last 6 months or so. Keep on writing.
TRPMaidenSlayer 10y ago
As mentioned in one of the LTR threads about chores:
"Do what needs to get done."
When heavy shit needs to get lifted, damn right you lift it. Preferably with no sleeves on, thundercock style.
But you also get compensated accordingly by making her do her own "heavy lifting", preferably in advance. If she does not comply, she is gone.
Exogyra_Ponderosa 10y ago
Can definitely relate to the boundary problems.