Summary: The cock carousal has a pattern. Girl meets Chad. Chad doesn’t commit. Girl gets bitter. Turns Feminist/Blue Pill, promises that women don’t like alphas. She finds a nice guy. Eventually cheats on nice guy with Chad. Nice guy figures out problem and decides to become Chad via self improvement and working out. He meets girl. Doesn’t commit. She gets bitter. This is The Cycle of the Cock Carousel.
First off, you have the girl. The girl meets Chad, and tries to get him to commit. Chad either cheats on her or simply decides not to commit. Chad has so many options commitment is a hard thing for him to do.
Now, this girl is a bit hurt and bitter. She rides the cock carousel a little more with a little more Chads, and hamsters her attraction to these guys away. But eventually, she’s tired of riding the carousel. She has a hard time finding the perfect alpha. The alpha who will commit to her and her only. Her new go to words for these guys are “assholes”, “douchebags”, “players” and “womanizers”. She now decides its time to lower her standards a bit, and go for the more average, nice guys who will commit to her.
The nice guy is proud of himself for having gotten “lucky” enough to land a hottie. Many average guys will consider even a 7 as “hot” or “sexy”. He will do everything in his power to make sure she knows he’s not a part of the cock carousel ride. He tells her he’s not like those other asshole guys, she deserves better and will do all he can to make sure she knows just how special she is to him.
This guy doesn’t lift. He may not be ugly, but he believes that women judge him for his personality over looks. Which means while he may take care of himself, he’s not necessarily in good shape either. He’s been taught that women aren’t visual and a sweet personality is the most important facet for women.
The newly cock carousal-reformed former slut has changed her ways. No more male sluts for her. She has now become the slut shamer of men. She wanted to make sure her new nice guy didn’t have an abundance of options so that she’d get his commitment and stability. But unfortunately, this rehabilitation of her lust for Chads won’t last forever.
She might even now consider herself a feminist, or post on internet sites like The Blue Pill. Lets for a moment, consider she’s a woman posting on The Blue Pill (A “Satire” sub that tries to invalidate The Red Pill). If she’s on The Blue Pill, she’s surely doing her best to convince each and every person that Red Pill is the wrong way. It’s bitter. She’d never go for an Alpha, nor would most women. Ironically, she’s on the Blue Pill because she’s bitter herself. Of course, if she had found the perfect Alpha who gave his commitment to her, she might have chosen Red Pill Women instead of The Blue Pill or Feminism. The irony is, it’s very likely that if you’re a woman who posts on The Blue Pill, chances are that The Red Pill absolutely did work on them. Otherwise they wouldn’t be so bitter at The Red Pill.
But unfortunately, her promises of avoiding the alpha male “assholes” only lasts so long. So she gives in to Chad and cheats on her stable boyfriend. Her stable, feminist boyfriend gets heartbroken a couple more times before putting all the pieces together. That something was off. Maybe the best choice for him is to BECOME the guy that she cheated on him with.
He may or may not specifically find The Red Pill, but he starts lifting, develops game, and gets his status in check. Eventually, after a long time of going through monk mode and improving himself, he has become the guy with options. The guy who doesn’t need to be the stable guy anymore. He’d rather be a part of the cock carousel than be the guy waiting on the sidelines.
Now, he’s the one doing the heartbreaking. He’s Chad Thundercock. Women will now be happy not to cheat on him and would like his commitment. He’s not gonna give his commitment unless she’s earned it by being a Unicorn (someone who isn't riding the carousel). She hasn’t. The girl does the same thing as his ex girlfriend now, becomes bitter and jaded. Except now it’s at him because he’s the asshole this time. She decides to go for more average guys who will treat her like a princess. She may post on the Blue Pill about her distaste for alphas. But eventually she gives in and cheats on this new nice guy with another Chad. Her nice guy does the same thing the last guy did. Becomes Chad. And the Cycle continues.
The Lesson: Women who say they don’t want “Assholes” or aren’t riding the “cock carousel” …have likely had experiences with “assholes” before and therefore their opinion doesn’t matter. They rode the carousel and got dizzy. They’re bitter.

MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
Until she reaches the wall. At the same age as other women are doing similar. And at that age, the men she'd like to date have wised up as OP says. Suddenly they have options, their SMV is on the rise, and they don't quite fancy commitment as much as they used to. Just as she needs it like never before.
And because of her solipsistic nature, she believes that her experience is the only experience, that the world has changed rather than that she has aged. So she says "what happened to all the good men?" to which the wise man answers "You did honey... you happened to all the good men".
Temptationn 10y ago
It's funny my girlfriend calls me all of these things, but doesn't leave me.
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AWALT, so do all women ride the cock carousel?
Scarlet_Arbiter 10y ago
That is quite possibly the best metaphor for the women who have supposedly gotten off the CC i've seen so far.
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[deleted] 10y ago
That pretty much sums it up for me.
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I got my second LTR with 50% RP intuition. Turned full RP after her.
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screenmagnet 10y ago
So what do you call the girl who gets off the cock carousel, marries her 'Alpha,' but is still a feminist (and was one all along)?
Ok, your model has a nice symmetry to it. It reads well. But it's far too simplistic.
You forget the other common outcome: Nice Guy, after landing Hot Girl, starts to become complacent and stops trying to impress her. Meanwhile, he also becomes delusional about his looks and his value on the dating market ('since I'm currently with an 8, I must be an 8 myself!'). So, Nice Guy cheats on Hot Girl (typically with an uglier girl...). Or alternatively, Nice Guy starts treating Hot Girl like crap. Now, if this is early on in the relationship and Hot Girl is secure in herself, she dumps Nice Guy, because Nice Guy is not Attractive enough for Hot Girl to put up with his Bullshit. But if Hot Girl is already committed/in love, or she has left over baggage/self-esteem issues from Previous Asshole, she puts up with Nice Guy's Bullshit anyway, until he eventually dumps her for being a Clingy Doormat. Which lowers her self-esteem even more, making her easy pickings for the next Asshole (who doesn't even need to be Attractive anymore, because now there is Ugly Asshole Precedent).
Do some women hop on and off the Cock Carousel because of an unstable view of men and gender roles? Sure. These are probably unstable women overall who don't know themselves and don't have their shit together. But other women, like me, hop on and off the Cock Carousel not because of some constantly fluctuating crisis in identity and values, but simply because their personal priorities (what they want out of a relationship) changes over time. As does their capacity to put up with Bullshit.
And this isn't limited to women, or even to dating. What you are describing is the basic phenomenon of excess over balance. We see it in everything from yo-yo dieters, to college student crammers, to binge drinkers, to economic cycles, and to the freaking electorate. It is the tendency to go to one extreme, then overshoot and go to the other, instead of achieving a more moderate position in the middle.
Hell, the TRP itself represents the maximum displacement on the trajectory of the Pendulum of Male Disillusionment, does it not?
AmericanHistoryAFBB 10y ago
This is a very broad question. One which I cannot fully answer at this time.
I think I agree with what you're getting at though. I do agree that there are exceptions to my generalization.
Yes, you can be a feminist before this happens. I was just generalizing that many turn to it because of a bitter attitude towards men. But I digress.
verify_account 10y ago
This is not a bad thing. Not only do women love violent men, they enjoy being treated poorly by Chad himself.
screenmagnet 10y ago
No.
Women are sexually aroused by (consensual) rough sex, and by the knowledge that a man is physically able to defend himself (and her). They do not enjoy violence directed at themselves. That's absurd.
Similarly, no woman enjoys being treated like shit. They put up with it to keep a man, when they think they can't do better. Either because he is Hot/Rich/Good in Bed, or because she has shitty self-esteem (typically as a result of being treated poorly in previous relationships).
No woman turned down her Dream 10/10 Guy because he treated her too well.
FrameWalker 10y ago
Lust and comfort are opposing forces. Stop trying to teach us how to fish. You know nothing of the male problem. Focus your efforts on rpw
screenmagnet 10y ago
Ok, noted. Sorry. Will stop posting in this sub.
Jax77789 10y ago
"Many average guys consider HB 7 to be sexy".
So true, BP men would shag anything. Saw a very good looking dude with a repulsive Asian woman yesterday. I had a very strange feeling, I did not know if I should pity him or hate this broad for getting such a good deal out of the BP chump supermarket. You really had to see her steer him like a dog on a leash while strutting like a princess. Boy do these cunts have it easy.
The CC AF/BB dynamic really conforts me in treating women like pure shit.
ILoveSunflowers 10y ago
it's not polite to yuk other people's yums, when it comes to any fetish, getting the desired fetish is more important than the quality of it
Thotwrecker 10y ago
This is a good illustration of the futility of trying to "change" the AFBB dynamic.
You cannot change the AFBB dynamic, you cannot change the carousel. You cannot stop girls from riding it, you cannot stop betas from subsidizing it, you cannot stop alphas from profiting off of it.
You can choose what role you play, and that is it.
You must assume formlessness and be water and all that Bruce Lee "that which you resist, persists" shit. It gets said a lot and I think the meaning gets forgotten. Here, this idea means "You cannot break the carousel, you can only break yourself against the carousel."
You have to be the cock on the carousel, or you have to "go your own way". If you go your own way, you have to not be a hamster about it - only go the MGTOW route as a young guy if you are seriously building your value, and then later use that value to rope in a hot, low-n count, low hamster girl.
And you have to remember and accept that she may wind up a casualty of the CC later, or she might have been a casualty of the CC who was just lying to you.
It's much easier to be the cock on the carousel, and not give a fuck about the women hopping on and off. That means neither judging them negatively or positively. They just are.
The cycle continues.
TheReformist94 10y ago
I'm not convinced the cc is a by-product of repeat failed commitment.they actively ride and enjoy the cc.plenty of women are fucking several alphas at a time on a tinder,enjoy going through the whole football team provided noone finds out and change out the alphas for a new batch when they're bored.they are as polygamous as men with an insatiable variety just like men,but with higher standards
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it's mostly a byproduct of culture and upbringing. women don't know better unless somebody tells them. and can you blame them? by 18, they're already massive sluts. did you have a sophisticated understanding of social structure at the age of 14?
AmericanHistoryAFBB 10y ago
Yes I agree with everything you said. I for one can dig being a part of the cock carousel for the time being. Easy lays for me, and since everything is so predictable, I have no judgements towards the women who choose to ride it.
HeatseekingLogicBomb 10y ago
I was just thinking of writing up a post on the futility of social engineering, or rather, not really expounding on it but explaining how my sisters all confirm TRP truths to me, and the tone in which they do so as premiere-SMV women really says a lot.
VasiliyZaitzev Senior Endorsed 10y ago
They got 'dick drunk'.
Once being dick drunk wore off.
AmericanHistoryAFBB 10y ago
Its like when you've experienced such a bad hangover or night of drinking and you swear never to drink again.
Then next weekend you're taking shots again.
whenfoom 10y ago
This touches on a vital part of the human psyche: our inability to predict/control our future behavior. A lot of BP thinking revolves around the idea that we - and especially women - are able to do so. Followed by the subsequent butthurt.
RememberingAlpha 10y ago
One thing I'm curious of is another dimension to the cycle that I personally experienced and I see many others have as well.
You're not necessarily Chad, but you're doing well, spinning a few plates, doing your thing, and the plates love you for it and are your perfectly little sloots. You then pick a favorite, and end up LTR'ing her. However once in a relationship, you loose your killer instinct, slowly loosing your frame and behaving how you think you're supposed to behave in a relationship. Before you know it, the Beta backslide is complete, shes disgusted with you, cheats, and hops back on the carousal. You're then left a sniveling beta, wondering how things got to be this way. You find it takes a year to feel like yourself again and be back on top.
The beta backslide is a real bitch, and a real thing. Women being perpetually bait-and-switched has to factor in somehow, being jaded to the idea that an Alpha will remain alpha with them.
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yesnolift 10y ago
"No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible".
RedSugarPill 10y ago
Another great example of solipsism--it's ubiquitous.
J_AsapGem 10y ago
Althought i've came to terms why they are this way, it's still fucking mind blowing, mystical amnesia to their own faults. it's funny that we have to compromise our nature, but they're far too narcissistic to do that.
AmericanHistoryAFBB 10y ago
Yep. Everybody thinks they're special but its so easy to just generalize their experiences because its very oftentimes the same old story.
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Very true.
This is what women mean when they "discover themselves" or become "more confident". It's how they rationalize the BB part of their strategy.
They don't view themselves as looking for a BB to provide for them; they believe their newfound preferences in men are the result of the lessons learned while riding the CC. That's why Sheryl Sandberg suggests women ride the CC. So a woman can "grow" from the experience.
It's also why there is a disconnect between the way (RP) men view these women - used up sluts nearing the wall - and the way they present themselves - as a woman who is fully realized and ready to settle down.
They genuinely think they are offering Mr BB a great deal. She is older, more "confident" and has more "life experience". He should be thanking his lucky stars he is meeting her at this stage in her growth as a woman.
Solipsism.
Scarlet_Arbiter 10y ago
When i was still in the BP haze, a 25 year old girl (I was 18 or 19 at the time) told me that girls "just weren't mature enough, and that by 25 or so they realize thats just not what they want". Bull fucking shit.
They want to ride the CC for as long and hard as they can, and then they finally decide that they want to bleed some poor fuck they wouldn't ever have paid attention to before dry. And whos to say she ever got off the CC to begin with, odds are they haven't lost chad's number after they lock down BB.
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We laugh about it, but in all seriousnes women really do believe that shit.
"Sheryl Sandberg says so, so it must be right." -every woman's feminism-issued get-out-of-jail free card when they need to rationalize their poor choices after the fact (aka hamster)
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
Agenda 21
http://www.gdrc.org/gender/a21/agenda1.html
One wonders why Red Pill exists?
Why does the innocent but well indoctrinated Blue Pill beta boy not create desire for women?
The reason is that there is a process of worldwide (Agenda 21 is the United Nations) control that is being put in place. Feminism is central to this plan.
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The Cock Carousel is created because natural hierarchy where man is above the woman has been undermined and this makes betas who actually follow the rules unattractive.
The Fix?
Well, we don't need to go there because in the near term there is no fix.
But Game as Chad Thundercock is our best strategy now. It's not perfect, but it at least gives men more power than being beta.
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AmericanHistoryAFBB 10y ago
Yes. Thats why game as Chad like you said, is our best strategy for now. Standing out from the straight and narrow crowd moistens panties.
HeatseekingLogicBomb 10y ago
It won't work. Anything that disregards the laws of nature so vehemently is doomed to fail spectacularly.
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
Agenda 21 seems to be working and the Blue Pill is spreading to all nations conquered by the West.
Russia, China, Iran are outside the system.
Red Pill is like being Putin... we "go our own way".
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HeatseekingLogicBomb 10y ago
I suppose I should have worded it better, ultimately it fails. It can spread for now. The virus has cells left to infect.
PurpleDiesel420 10y ago
Bravo my friend. This is one of the best posts on The Cock Carousal I've read so far. I love the added twist about The Blue Pill. It was a nice jab and a perfect explanation for why TRP gets so much hate. Our haters are most likely reformed sluts themselves.
AmericanHistoryAFBB 10y ago
Thanks bro. I had this revelation last night, and figured it would make a good post of it's own.
datdude2014 10y ago
This post needs to be on the sidebar
gerwig 10y ago
This is exactly what happens in "Hot Girls Wanted". Definitely worth watching. The girls fall in love with some chad, he cheats/doesn't commit, they give up and do porn.
ILoveSunflowers 10y ago
nah those girls are way more messed up than that. It takes a special fuck up in a woman for her to want to do professional porn.
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ToTheT0p 10y ago
I hear ya bud I had a similar thing happen except I kicked her out of our house within a month.. It'll get better just stay far away from her
AmericanHistoryAFBB 10y ago
Yes this is what's happening to a lot of people here I can imagine. It happened to me.
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Not every nice-guy becomes Chad. Most of them become abusive assholes... wait that's Chad alright.
And why we're like this? Because they want us to be like this and it takes no effort to not to give a shit about them. Hell it's a lot easier, cheaper and healthier for us. Let some other sucker cater to their sick feels.
billythebeta 10y ago
Some bloopers don't learn even though they get cheated/dumped/hamster'd on over and over and over again. It's only when they're old than they become "born again" Chads, but by then... well, better late than never I suppose.
GC0W30 10y ago
Based on our framework, Chads are naturals that don't read TRP.
Guys who come into Alpha Fucks as soon as they're developed enough to start crushing are Chads.
Guys who become Alpha Fucks after a lifetime of Beta Bucks or just losing aren't Chad.
Just a glossary note for you, based on the vocab of our senior contributors.
And, you are 100% correct. Amazing to watch these guys.
Seen the pattern unfold 20 times with beta male coworkers.
whatsazipper 10y ago
There are a couple other ways to feed into The Cycle. Another is a LTR goes on for a while, it starts to struggle, then the girl throws gasoline on it and lights a match. She hops on the carousel without hesitation and you're left there, mouth agape, as you watch your commitment shit on every which way.
After that you don't see the point in committing to women.
However, to add more reality to your situation, most of the nice guys who get screwed over never even begin to become 'Chad'. I see men all the time who struggle with women and never even begin to make progress.
Similarly, some women don't really wise up and try to lock down the less attractive men. Look for young women constantly complaining about "fuck bois" and other such nonsense. They're beyond easy and have no self control.
GC0W30 10y ago
The college chicks I'm fucking keep using the phrase "no fuckboys" in their online profiles.
Is fuckboy just a synonym for Chad?
[deleted] 10y ago
Yup. It's supposed to mean prison bitch, etc, but they've misused it.
I don't understand how it's supposed to be shaming either. "Yeah, you're a guy who gets laid a lot, take that!"
whatsazipper 10y ago
Yeah, it doesn't make much sense, but thankfully it doesn't need to. They're relaying information that they're readily available and that's the message that one ought to pick up.
Since we seem to be on an education spree: Remember to wrap it up. Any reasonably attractive guy with game is banging her, and STDs aren't a walk in the park (especially with antibiotic resistance being prevalent).
PantsonFire1234 10y ago
Fucking funny right? The only thing that's preventing women from securing the commitment they so crave is their own inner child.
Think about it- all it takes for women to break this cycle. Is to have their entitlement and feelz in check. And we all know they can't do that.
chevychase0904 10y ago
So basically does that mean that every single girl is bound to cheat on whoever she settles down with? or is it just ones who have been wronged by the "chad"
GC0W30 10y ago
They all want to unless severely crazy [molested] or ill [not healthy enough to fuck, or hormones too whack to want sex].
Having Chad exposure isn't a pre-req for hypergamy. Hypergamy is innate. Some women are natural whores and biologically incapable of not cheating. Women who aren't born to be whores CAN avoid cheating, especially if they have too much to lose in the community... a situation that becomes less the case every year in North America and Western Europe.
Chad's main risk to women is a phenomenon known as creating an "Alpha Widow" who is so spoiled that she can't enjoy average men the average amount. Usually becomes a problem after they hit 30 and Chad starts showing up less and less.
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smvking 10y ago
Good explanation of a cycle that has existed throughout time, but has gotten more rampant in the last few decades.
life_is_amazing100 10y ago
Good summary of the cycle, however your forgetting about all the wives who cheat and there husbands who never find out it (aka 90% of them). The guys who wind up stuck getting drip-fed once every 2 months duty sex and never gets anything better till he either dies or finds out about his cheating wife but cant quite put the pieces together as to why all the lies about being a dutiful beta didn't get him the sex he wanted from his wife.
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AmericanHistoryAFBB 10y ago
Good response. I actually got past the anger phase months ago, however. I know my post is very generalized. I am not bitter at this though. I was bitter when I was the beta, but since I'm able to be Chad myself now, I can't be too angry. I don't have a problem with them riding the carousel, but that doesn't mean I'll lock them down either. They can take me or leave me, but I'm happy to let them ride me if they so choose to do so.
whenfoom 10y ago
I sense a disturbance in the force.
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GC0W30 10y ago
I met a reprehensible bitch once who locked down child support from one guy while cheating with Chad.
She then proceeded to get involved with a Chad, neglect her kids, and SPEND HER CHILD SUPPORT CHECKS supporting Chad. Chad insisted on polyamory, and while this 45-year-old's ex-husband was supporting his ex-wife, Chad AND two kids (one of whom was Chad's but born during her marriage to Beta Bob) Chad was still fucking his 30-year-old girlfriend.
He was clearly just using the older woman for money.
She was so "alpha widowed" [not the right term] that he suggested polyamory and she couldn't bring herself to date other guys during weeks he spent with the chick he actually wanted to be fucking. Instead, she sat around crying herself to sleep and posting whiny shit on Facebook.
Get fucking paternity tests, guys.
max_peenor Senior Endorsed 10y ago
About 150 years ago Chad would have died with a rope around his neck surrounded by a bunch of pissed off husbands. Good to know the western legal system is now in Chad's back pocket. It's a good time to be more alpha.
GC0W30 10y ago
Or, in other countries, he would be king.....
sk0756 10y ago
Life is still good to those who are billionaires
https://www.google.com/search?q=elin+cline&client=tablet-android-samsung&biw=601&bih=375&prmd=vin&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHncCKndHJAhVLMSYKHTLBAGwQ_AUIBygC#imgrc=Ty_X1FF7AA_IjM%3A