Summary: Techniques and scenarios that examine how to effectively make conversation.
In the spirit of TRP's monthly challenge, I would like to discuss how to make small talk with people. Credit to books like Day Bang and How to Win Friends and Influence People for giving me a foundation.
Scenario 1:
You are at the airport in Starbucks waiting for your flight to depart on a trip to Japan for vacation. You notice that a cute blonde girl is standing near you waiting for her coffee, and you want to chat her up. There is a black carry-on bag near her, and she has a book that you can't see the title of. What would you say to her?
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Did you think of "so, where are you going?" or "what book are you reading?" They seem like the obvious things to say but these statements would be too personal and turn her off. Starting a conversation is as easy as making an offhand comment about the environment. In this scenario a good exchange would be something the lines of this.
RP man: "excuse me," (make eye contact before proceeding) "Is that carry-on bag pretty sturdy?"
Girl: "It's not bad."
RP man: "When I traveled last time, my carry-on bag ripped on me, and I've been looking for a new one since. My sister said to get one that's like a small suitcase with wheels but I think that would be inconvenient."
Girl: "I used to have one like that but it was a pain going up stairs."
RP man: "That's what I thought too. Actually, I saw a bag similar to yours at a duty-free store before check in and I was interested in it. I wanted to get one before I landed in Japan."
Girl: "Oh really? I went there last year............." and so on.
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It might seem boring to talk about a carry-on bag for so long, but this process is essential for making people comfortable with you. People will be happy to talk about their carry-on bag, or the type of coffee they ordered, or anything trivial that isn't personal.
I actually did something similar in Korea on vacation. I was standing outside a convenience store and a girl with a black backpack was in front of me waiting for someone inside. I looked at her backpack with an inquisitive look and said that I saw a similar bag in Japan for a high price. She responded and as we kept talking, she shifted her body towards me and became more comfortable although we were talking about bags for two minutes.
Adding 'fluff' to the conversation is a crucial point in making conversation with others. It gives people a chance to continue the conversation, and in a sense it's like you're spoon feeding them a response.
Back to the previous example
RP man: "When I traveled last time, my carry-on bag ripped on me, and I've been looking for a new one since. My sister said to get one that's like a small suitcase with wheels but I think that would be inconvenient."
You just gave her a myriad of options to respond back.
Ex 1) "What country was that?"
Ex 2) Her commenting that the same thing happened to her in Rome.
Ex 3) "Has your sister traveled much"
Ex 4) "Wheels are convenient when you have a lot of luggage" and so on.
Giving people a short response without fluff denies them the option to respond back to you.
Alternate Reality
RP man: "excuse me," (make eye contact before proceeding) "Is that carry-on bag pretty sturdy?"
Girl: "It's not bad."
RP man: "I've been looking for a new carry-on bag."
Girl: "Cool."
RP man: "..."
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Lesson 1) Refrain the urge to ask personal questions at the beginning.
Lesson 2) Talking about the environment or commenting on a object near you is one option to use as a conversation starter.
Lesson 3) Add fluff to a conversation so people can easily give a response.
Scenario 2:
Work just ended and you are at a supermarket looking at tomatoes for your pasta sauce tonight. You see a man who is wearing a suit and holding a basket with premade pasta sauce. He is looking back and forth at that and the tomatoes. You decide to make conversation with him.
RP man: "It's so much faster to just buy it premade right? I was debating whether or not to buy it but my friend told me I should avoid processed foods"
Man: "Exactly, I've never made it before, but my weight has been gaining and I want to make some changes."
RP man: "It might be healthier to make it ourselves, but it's cheaper to just buy it, and the last thing I want to do when I get off work is to spend an hour making sauce."
Man: "Exactly, by the time dinner is made and dishes washed, it's already 8pm and I'm wondering where my day has went"
RP man: "Recently, I found a technique using a blender that really cuts down the time, I can share it if you want" and so on.
In this scenario, another trivial observation leads to a conversation, and by adding fluff, you are giving the other person a chance to relate or comment. Processed food and healthier eating are common topics these days so by mentioning them in relation to yourself, the other person can likely contribute. Another note is that by saying "I was debating whether or not to buy it but my friend told me I should avoid processed foods," you are shifting from the judgmental tone of "oh, you don't make your own sauce" to something more relatable (I'm trying to avoid processed food).
Alternate reality
RP man: "Are you thinking of making your own pasta sauce"
Man: (why is this guy asking me this?) Yes I am.
RP man: "..."
Lesson 4) Making statements is more effective than just asking questions. Making statements along with questions is also a good tool.
Lesson 5) Opening by asking questions might make the person think you are judging them.
Lessons Learned: The point I want to emphasize is that seemingly trivial topics are the base for good conversation. As guys, it's our instinct to be direct, but understanding why adding fluff and other anecdotes is effective. It will make you seem more friendly and personable. As the conversation unravels, it becomes easier to talk about more personal topics. This will help in expanding social circles and making new friends. I will make a part two getting into more specifics if there is interest.
Edit: Formatting

Poskito 10y ago
As someone who tends to begin conversations with questions and then complain that people 'just don't know how to carry a conversation', this is helpful.
[deleted] 10y ago
So... You read day game ? Cool
seekingredstrength 10y ago
I am not really the type of guy who likes small talks and thinks they are difficult to initiate. However, my view changed few weeks ago. I was running late to pick up a package at a UPS store because the bus was late. I got there right before they close. I just had to tell the employee I was scared of being late and this was enough to start a conversation with the employee sharing similar experiences with public transits.
On my way back to my place, I was just thinking "this was easy" and I started being less anxious starting small talks. One thing that helped me that day was the fact I was out of breath because I was running. This basically allowed to start talking without over-analyzing everything like I usually do to block myself. I just did it without any preventing thought. I just said what was on my mind because I was too tired to overthink it.
musicvita25 10y ago
I'd like add I went on a date with a Ukranian last night. My fourth in 2 months.
They are the WORST aka Russia/Ukrainian/Eastern Block at conversations. They do not get banter, and they also are terrible at flirting.
Do not take them on a date. Its painful. I literally left after 10 minutes.
Veqq 10y ago
Might help if you spoke their language... They tend to be far more passionate and open than people from anywhere else, when not struggling to lace a few English words together.
wont_tell_i_refuse 10y ago
To the contrary I have found women from Poland and Romania to be excellent at banter. They almost game themselves. There's still a bit of that Slavic gold-digging spirit, but it's pretty easy to spot and neutralize. Definitely agree on the Ukrainians though -- like dating a plank of wood.
Milito3515 10y ago
And what happens if I approach a girl and just go to the point? Example: Asking her name, talk a little, ask her number.
[deleted] 10y ago
Someone's been reading Day Bang it seems
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
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Went to the bar yesterday for just a couple of hours. (maybe three)
All the smalltalk advice is good and once you master this behavior you can do smalltalk for hours and hours.
Related to Lesson 3 it's important to give openings for the other person to let them contribute to the chat.
Let the other person lead a little and then back up what they say and that gives them some confidence. Once you know they have "broken the ice" and are relaxed and giving of themselves you will not encounter resistance unless you step onto something sacred to them.
In most cases the sacred is a myth.
So if you are getting near a sacred Blue Pill myth and the other person begins to panic as their reality is being challenged you need to be more subtle in how you approach it.
Often once you trigger their panic response you lost them.
I find it harder and harder to remind myself what the Blue Pill myths are and so it comes naturally for me to say some honest truth which breaks the sacred myths. But, it is probably better to "accidently" destroy a myth here and there in that it does benefit us all in the long run.
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Recap
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Last night there was a solidly Red Pill type guy who was easy to chat with, plus a bunch of regulars, one guy who was oscillating over whether he would date the female bartender (he stood her up on a date the day before) and a guy who had seven years of college and no degree but it was all paid by the parents so no student debt. This student had a "large" (girth?) girlfriend and it's likely she is attracted to his jerkboy spoiled kid lifestyle. When asked why he hadn't finished college he said:
"Heck, if I got my degree I might be forced to work... the party lifestyle would be over."
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RPsage 10y ago
We control the scene like a painter controls their canvass.
Illimitable Man wrote a great line, something like "good feelings and humor are valued in social situations, not logic and being right" and that has struck a chord ever since. The reason small talk is important is that it generates these good feelings and shows our humor, which others perceive as power.
The Machiavellian in us uses it as a tool.
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
My experience is that our brains give off magnetic fields. This is science because they actually can run brain scans and our brains are constantly broadcasting a magnetic signal as well as receiving a signal. We aren't really conscious of these subtle human communications but they exist.
What I find is that people become lonely because of physical separation and lack of exposure to these fields.
It's a little like lack of sunlight... spend too much time in the dark and it effects your body. (and can make you run dangerously low on Vitamin D)
So the first goal in smalltalk is to physically be there... to absorb the human brain waves.
Celebrities seem to have become addicted to crowds.
When thousands of people all focus their mental energy on a person the person (somehow) senses his or her focus. That person gets a massive dose of collective energy.
So you see how crowds have their own life.
A Dark Triad leader can sway the mood of an entire crowd because he can draw in that focus and then move the magnetic patterns of the masses.
Anyway...
Smalltalk is just "hanging out".
Never underestimated the value of doing this.
The words don't matter.
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Einsteinsmooostache 10y ago
That's a load of bull shit pseudoscience.
Moving charges do create magnetic fields, but the magnitude of a brains magnetic field is going to be so incredibly small that it would pale in comparison to even the tiny changes of earths magnetic field.
Source: physics degree
I enjoy this sub, please don't pollute with fake science.
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
It's not that different than a cell phone.
Physical Sciences B.S. Degree and I raise you a Computer Science B.S. Degree.
Raise or Call?
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Einsteinsmooostache 10y ago
You can have all the degrees in the world but that doesn't make your comment any less false.
Please provide a reputable study that shows humans respond to the magnetic fields from other people's brain waves and I'll read.
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
So if I lined up a bunch of experts you would be a "true believer"?
Wow.
Okay, well then maybe it's all a myth then?
Maybe all this "animal instinct" stuff is bullshit.
Yes that's it... I must have been acting on gut feelings that weren't based in anything real.
Nevermind.
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FieldLine 10y ago
Sounds like you've been reading Day Bang by Roosh V.
It's a great read, highly recommend it.
strps 10y ago
"That thing you have, is that good?"
arobotspointofview 10y ago
This is a great post. Unfortunately, my sticking point is that I never have any desire to actually "chat" with people like this. I'm usually the one trying to end the conversation and get away.
www777com 10y ago
For women, I look for some way to pick on them. The rule of thumb I follow is, don't pick on anything that makes her feel good or bad about herself. If at the airport, I 'm walking next to an attractive woman and she trips a little but she makes a nice recovery. If we make eye contact, I'd say with a smirk, "Nice triple somersault back flip. If I was an Olympic judge, I'd give that a 4.6." She laughs, rapport built, start small talk. If I know she was a very clumsy person and she was conscientious about it, I wouldn't say that. Since I don't know her, I'm gambling she's not, so I'd say it.
yummyluckycharms 10y ago
Small talk is a lost art due to the rise of texting. Many, many times, plates have confessed that they dont know how to talk to anyone verbally anymore. The concepts of reciprocity, open/closed ended questions, follow - throughs, etc are all foreign concepts.
I do believe culture has an impact though - New yorkers are very easy to engage in conversation - they enjoy tit for tats. Torontonians are the worst - simply incompetent - have no idea of how conversations are supposed to have an ebb and flow. Londoners are a mix between torontonians and new yorkers - icy at first, but once they've warmed up - very jovial.
Danedina 10y ago
The other advantage to adding a little fluff to your cold opener is that it buys the girl a little time to process the fact that a stranger has addressed her. It's easy to spook someone when they're not prepared for an exchange. By talking for a little while you're giving her a chance to suss you out, turn down her flight/fight shields, and tune in to your vibe.
J_AsapGem 10y ago
This is wonderful examples and awesome content, i've realize i haven't given the other most more to respond from what i've said to them, so this was a good read for me
RPsage 10y ago
Thank you for your comment. These techniques will come naturally and your social skills will increase as a result!
LexisNexiss 10y ago
Good insight here....nice tangible effective examples
emergingred 10y ago
Great guide; many thanks, OP!
Definitely looking forward to Part 2.
DontKnowMargo 10y ago
Great post! Focusing first on the environment or an object and adding fluff is a simple, tangible way to start small talk.
garlicextract 10y ago
Environmental interactions with strangers aren't so bad.
How about entering conversation with people at a wedding/engagement/similar type of 'party' (as in not a house party, those are easy to talk to people too)
RPsage 10y ago
There is always room for observational comments at these kinds of events.
"The way that couple is dancing is amazing. I've tried dancing a few times at my high school dances but I couldn't even look the girl in the eyes. I should join a local dance class or something"
There is a myriad of possible responses that could result from that comment.
1) high school dances.
2) the style of the couple dancing.
3) local dance classes.
4) their own personal experiences, etc.
RPTestDummy 10y ago
I read a comment here that helps explain openers well. Just let others into your inner dialogue.
exoduslife 10y ago
It is important to notice that the art of small talk isn't just to initiate conversation with women that you want to game / sleep with. It is a useful tool to have for everyday interactions. It helps you to establish relationships which you can use throughout your job (building rapport with customers / clients) and the day to day activities (making new friends, etc).
Key point. Find common ground. Common ground makes the other participant in your small talk feel comfortable. Creates a platform where they also have something to contribute and let it evolve from small talk into a conversation.
Questions are answered and then the person moves on. Questions are used to retrieve information. This is useful in a situation where you have time at your disposal, let's say in club, or on a date but in a small talk scenario there isn't always time to do that. You want to establish rapport without sounding like an interrogator, that removes the spontaneity (and the fun element) from small talk.
RPsage 10y ago
That's true. Small talk and gaming at a bar can be similar but there are some key differences, such as a girl not being prepared to be talked to during the day. This will lead to them thinking something is off if you ask them a personal question.
Catch them with our inner monologue, as if we are talking to ourselves and they happen to be a prop. They'll want to join in.
michaelconnery1985 10y ago
The thing is though, I'm not a social retard and can definitely keep a conversation going if need be. But I genuinely don't make small talk like that because my mind rationalises to me that it's useless. Sure, we may have a great conversation, but 9.9 times out of 10 it will go nowhere and we will have to part ways. So what's the point of making small talk? (Unless for instance I genuinely want to know where to get that black bag). Why should I waste my time and breath making random chit chat to strangers?
TheOneWhoKnoxs 10y ago
You're not wasting your time, you're doing it while in line or while waiting on something. It's practice. Why keep lifting if you can already bench your body weight? So that you can keep benching.
Making small talk at every opportunity sharpens your conversation skills, and if you're with a girl and you talk to people all the like it's nothing it displays high value.
You need to shut down your minds' rationalization because that's just your way of not being able to admit that you're too nervous or scared to approach. Just do it.
slerpaderp 10y ago
Maintenance. It's much easier to be a social dynamo in a bar setting if you're warmed up talking to people off-hand throughout the day or week.
exoduslife 10y ago
As two other posters pointed out it keeps your conversational skills sharp; people who can start random conversations about different subjects or at least keep them going, even if only for a small amount of time are more interesting than those who cannot.
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