Explaining Flashback Posting
This is the first of many to come TRP Flashback posts. These posts will link older threads that once were on the TRP front page and have not been seen my many of our newer members. As this subreddit has grown, many newer members have not seen the same posts as our older members.
Some of these threads may have a couple hundred upvotes, or a couple thousand. The original author may be currently active or inactive. Regardless, the common theme among these posts is that they capture the essence of TRP and can deliver an important lesson to be learned by the user base.
Flashback posts will occur roughly twice a month, however this is not guaranteed.
She Doesn’t Love You
SoftHarem wrote this piece before many of you joined TRP, in which he shattered a fantasy that many of us men falsely believe: your woman actually loves you. She doesn’t. He says it in the first line, she loves her attraction to you.
Women and men are very different. /u/IllimitableMan said it best: Men love women, Women love children, Children love dogs, dogs love nobody. This is the hierarchy of love. The faster you realize that your woman does not love you, the faster you truly become outcome independent, and you will depend less on deriving happiness from women. This is key. Women should not and cannot be the primary source of your happiness. This is why it’s essential to lift. To pursue your own hobbies. To develop skills. All of these things make you a better man, which is attractive to women, which can help you get laid and or get a relationship. But even then, your woman won’t truly love you, she’ll love her attraction to you.
Read the post, and the top few comments. Discuss.
redpill-carrot 10y ago
Nice. I excactly have experienced a girl dropping partially because of friend reputation. It's like women are domesticating men. " oh look I got a new dog." "Oh look I got a new boyfriend."
wesder4 10y ago
Damn, so much truth in this post. Makes so much sense
sixohs 10y ago
Meditate and everything will become clear
SoftHarem 10y ago
Man this guy really knows his shit...
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Aerobus 10y ago
Hey its been a very long time since I've seen you around. I hope you are doing well. You probably don't know me or remember me, but when I first joined TRP I learned a lot by reading your posts, and I'm really appreciative of the work you've done.
SoftHarem 10y ago
I do remember you, and I'm glad you learned something from my soapbox rants. Life has been busy but I am working on getting things settled so I can become active once again.
dabneckarb 10y ago
Woah I completely disagree!
Dogs love everybody.
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[deleted] 10y ago
This was the hardest part of the pill for me. I was angry and confused how I could have gotten it so wrong.
Every time a woman fell for me, it went straight to my head and I became addicted to the feel-good chemicals that told me I was valuable. Then she lied, cheated, or lost interest. Maybe she just put herself first in an inconsiderate way.
Bam! Pain. Heartache. Betrayal.
Once you accept women's true nature and inability to love YOU then the pain dissipates completely because the truth is that all that pain was brought on BY YOURSELF
redpill-carrot 10y ago
This sounds oddly cruel. notice how women always avoid blame? nothing you did was your own fault
thickskinnedwhiteass 10y ago
This is a terrific idea. Thank you for this!
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friendlysociopathic 10y ago
So by "Flashback Post" you mean a repost right? That's what it is.
throwbp 10y ago
Is there a mirror or alternate for this? For some reason the archive link is forbidden in my country
Aerobus 10y ago
Search "She doesn't love you" in the reddit search, it should pop up.
J_AsapGem 10y ago
This is the most reassuring thing i've ever read.
evileddy 10y ago
Ah so next time a woman says "I love you, evileddy"
I can smile and nod while saying "I too enjoy this moment"
prodigy2throw 10y ago
"She might say she loves me. She don't love me like she says she loves me"
evileddy 10y ago
"baby I know you don't love me.
I know why you're here.
But I ain't sayin nothin"
-6 Minutes of Pleasure by Mr. LL COOL J
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OneTouchHowMuch 10y ago
Around here, the correct response to "I love you" is
"I know" and a smirk and/or gentle pat on the knee
MaximusNeo701 10y ago
That is not how Harrison Ford did it.
OneTouchHowMuch 10y ago
He was also about to be frozen forever
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NightwingTRP 10y ago
As an addendum to this post, I recently stumbled across a video by Turd Flinging Monkey on youtube which addressed this exact same thing.
A woman posted a confirmation that she'd noticed her own nature and realised she can never love a man unconditionally.
No matter what she says about how much she loves you, add "for the moment" onto the end of it. Because it is not forever. It's all conditional.
[deleted] 10y ago
Well... depends what the conditions are. Everybody's gotta pitch in it's a two way street.
Venicedreaming 10y ago
Eh, no one love anyone unconditionally. Only parents can love their children that much. Love is a Hollywood idea
monsunland 10y ago
I have to fight to love unconditionally. I thing there are conditions on all love.
cariboo_j 10y ago
TFM is brilliant.
"Love is leased, and it's constantly up for renewal."
He had some interview with Ayam Sirias talking about how he had a master plan to create a NAWALT before he got into mgtow. He started dating a fat chick with low social status and low self esteem. At first she idolized him and clung to him for dear life.
Then as he gave her some emotional support and life coaching, she got happier and more confident, lost some weight... guess what happened?
Branch swung to another guy!
After the new guy didn't work out she got depressed and fat again and came crawling back to him. He was like "Fuck you, you can eat yourself to death and die in a pool of donuts for all I care."
I think that was like the last straw for him, he just gave up on LTRs after that.
The whole interview is pretty good
[deleted] 10y ago
Depressing yet true. Prenups gents, if you actually plan on building a woman up either keep everything close to your chest resource wise while together or if you do get married set it up with a prenup so you can boot her and all she gets is that footprint on her ass out of the deal. Sad that marriages fail so often nowadays that prenups are almost a requirement for men to keep themselves from being raped in court.
[deleted] 10y ago
Women are like roller coasters.
The wait is long, the ride is short, and there is a line of men behind you.
great video
tallwheel 10y ago
TFM has been making some great videos lately.
Aerobus 10y ago
"It's just your turn."
[deleted] 10y ago
And gentlmen don't get confused, sometimes you get 2 or 3 turns on the same ride. Don't rationlize it, it's just an easy ride.
CopperFox3c 10y ago
The modern myth of "unconditional love" is perhaps the worst myth of all.
There is nothing in this world that comes without conditions. Nothing that is always true. Nothing that lasts forever. Nothing that exists in a vacuum ... there is always context. And only a fool ignores the context.
[deleted] 10y ago
They love their children unconditionally. Thanks for the sperm dude.
mike_m_ekim 10y ago
Not necessarily. They may just love the child support check and not give two shits about the kids.
[deleted] 10y ago
We believe (believed) this myth because we wanted to believe.
recon_johnny 10y ago
We believed because it was shoved down our throats, programmed from a young age until when we could see for ourselves.
Overkillengine 10y ago
It's comfortable.
Too bad comfort is the enemy.
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monsunland 10y ago
Most women I have met who whored it up for prolonged periods, but NOT all, had early heartbreaks. I would consider it more a result of rushing into sex when they weren't mature and able to spot a good partner. Also many had poor family dynamics as children.
But there is incentive to whore it up because it is so easy for women to get laid. Even if it is easy for a guy to get laid, often the women he bangs will demand more from the exchange. It is easier for women to hookup NSA, easier for men to find women who will expect a relationship from a hookup.
vengefully_yours 10y ago
I have her exit ready for her. She doesn't need to plan anything, when she fucks up, it's a simple "get out" and radio silence. If she happens to be a crazy vindictive cunt, then I'm incredibly nice, go full beta and please for sex. Within two weeks the crazy bitch who would boil my pet rabbit is gone thinking it was her dumping me.
Redasshole 10y ago
This is an incredibly smart strategy.
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Queef-Latinah 10y ago
Am I correct in saying that societies are inherently beta? What I mean is by settling down, we, as humans, in the process of civilizing ourselves, have become more beta. Men decide to stop fighting for resources and set up economic systems to trade them, while women no longer go for the Neanderthal who is victorious over his peers physically, e.g. kills or rules his peers. Instead they go for the male who can best provide her with resources. Of course, alpha and beta still apply, but relatively speaking, our societies are beta compares to cavemen rape/loot/kill societies?
MaximusNeo701 10y ago
I would rationalize this as society itself needs to be the Alpha Society. Apply the same tactics you as a person would apply to your society. Your competition isn't other men it's other societies and possibly even life forms in the future.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^0.0605
[deleted] 10y ago
We??? It's you, only you, the redpill alpha who caused this "great"ness to happen. Female solipsism, right? I'm a noob here, still learning.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^0.6580
[deleted] 10y ago
Do you go back to having them as plates for another period of time (before they go psycho again)?
RedLivesMatter 10y ago
So not worth it. If they decide to go psycho while hanging out with you who knows how it will end. You could end up in jail or worse. "Smart" women hold their emotions at bay until they have you roped in a little bit. Once they show that side of themselves its basically a giant shit test. Will he put up with me when I'm an emotional train wreck? You can hold frame the first time, and see if they will keep it under control in the future, but that's a gamble.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^0.0223
alfasauce 10y ago
WHATT, my dog doesn't love me??!!
md619 10y ago
I actually remember downvoting that post when it first came out. Reading through it now I can't see why. It's a solid post and natural extension of the things we talk about on TRP. A relationship is all business to a woman. She may love the things you do for her and love the emotions it gives her. But she doesn't love you. What are "you" after all than just the sum of your behaviors?
Soarinc 10y ago
A woman loves you if she does a lot for you (it's a cognitive dissonance hack)
StingyRose 10y ago
But its not the same with us? maybe you would´t love your woman anymore if she had gained 100 lbs... love in the most cases is only conditional...
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103342 10y ago
I think the "love" that is mentioned is the same thing as oneitis.
Women don't really feel oneitis like men do. We can get fixated in an average girl while fucking supermodels.
Biology is a bitch.
TheReformist94 10y ago
I'm convinced women don't get oneitis.they just don't pine like men do.
shivalife 10y ago
Thanks a lot. I just started reading TRP and archives are important.
648262 10y ago
Love is similar for everyone - you don't love her. You love the idea of her, and it is all inside your head. That's where the magic happens. So is it with you, her, the kids and... well the dog - because he really loves your food. At least the idea of it.
ChadThundercockII 10y ago
At least a dog won't come back to bite you in the ass. Even if you mistreat a dog once he won't hold it against you. Such beautiful creatures.
[deleted] 10y ago
That's also why women love to be treated like shit. It's one of those things that's true if it's true and false if it's false. When you treat her like shit, she'll either be so impressed that you can get away with treating her like shit that she'll view her putting up with it as proof of hypergamy and respect you even more, or she'll reject it and see her own rejection of you as evidence of low standing and lose respect for you over it. There's probably a coin flip involved but being charismatic definitely has some sway.
Queef-Latinah 10y ago
I'm swallowing the red pill. The more I read about women the more I'm starting to think that they can't be leaders. How can someone with a woman's mind, so prone to manipulation, so fundamentally dependent and reliant on the male one for comfort and stability, be trusted to lead? On a micro level, it works. I'm sure many women are better leaders than I. But on a macro level, feminist, equality, sexual revolution, all the ills of western civilization and women gaining the vote, they're all linked. In Sweden you've got all female parties, and Sweden currently is shooting itself in the foot in the migrant crisis with / SwedenYes. The EU's floodgates have been opened by Merkel. while rarely do we see strong male leaders like Hungarys' taking a stand to letting mass importation of under qualified and possibly religious extremist invaders into countries.
Divorce rates up, hypergamy up, women riding the cock carousel, getting alpha widowed, high abortion rates, family unit weakened, the welfare state supporting women, and of course female depression high as ever, it's all linked. There's so many dots but I don't know how to connect them, all I see is that western civilization is on a slow motion path towards collapse while all arrows seem to be pointing at women. What's the endpoint? It's so fucking crazy to think about. Meanwhile, I'm just working on getting fit as part of my redpilling process. It's so fucking surreal just thinking about it.
cariboo_j 10y ago
It's all a cycle. Misandry bubble.
Here's a video about it:
patriarchy is cyclical, and carries within it the seeds to its own destruction
Drogrevak 10y ago
The hamster goes where she does. Of course she could never realize she might be wrong.
ashrobb 10y ago
I've been here for a few months and missed this one. Great insight as usual.
reigorius 10y ago
So when she says she loves you, she actually means that she really loves the image she has made of you inside her hamster hive. She is totally in love with him, in this very moment, because he is perfect.
And moments happen to be very fleeting and you happen to be anything but perfect.
That's why the real you pisses her off for not being the same as the perfect you. And now the real you have to bear the brunt of her termpertantrum.
I've heard a lot of women say they love me. It means exactly jack shit.
I know my best friend loves me and my dad and my mom in her crazy way. But girlfriends do it differently.
tallwheel 10y ago
This. My LTR says she loves me and that I'm perfect. In the next breath she is disappointed that I don't hug her enough, or that I'm too distant. That is who I am, and she doesn't love it. What she loves is the ideal image of me that she has created in her head.
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BrunoOh 10y ago
Do you have sources for those posts?
[deleted] 10y ago
Theres a phase most LTR/married gets when unpluggging. When she's off the pedestal, and you are well on your way to a high SMV, but before she realizes she has to step up her game or lose you.
Most guys here actively despise their women. Shes a reflection of failure, of which the reminder is not pleasant.
I can't think of a great way for single guys to internalize that moment, but it's a powerful one. It's when you truly realize that she's not there to make you happy, but you're there to make her happy.
It's at that point you can realign your expectations with reality. boot her, lay out the 'come to jesus' speech, or plate her while you work on you.
Luckily, most women are a reflection of who they are with... Getting her to act right is a barometer of success in getting your shit together.
StingyRose 10y ago
Hello, I am not new here, but always wondered about this love concept and the fact, that what is with men leaving their wives and not loving them anymore... in that situation what is with hierarhcy of love?
[deleted] 10y ago
most men don't leave their wives.
When the wives leave, it's just thinking that they can do better, and slowly, the realization that maybe, just maybe they can't.
Or they get the poolboy and pretend it's what they wanted all along
[deleted] 10y ago
The woman that he fell in love with, has become a fat, lazy and manipulative cunt.
The man feels he's being lied to and exploited, and thus no longer loves her anymore...
[deleted] 10y ago
I did this. A raw deal is a raw deal. Never looked back.
[deleted] 10y ago
This is pretty darn close to a "theory of everything" in terms of TRP theory all encompassed into one or two sentences.
It explains a lot of the other rules of thumb very concisely.
Now here is a theory question I've been meditating on. In the master/apprentice dynamic between men. Does this rule apply as well?
I honestly think that it does right now. Even though men tend to love the ideal version of another person, I think that within the business world and bartering scenarios men have evolved to adopt the solipsism of women. Men love the power, the drive, the integrity of their superiors not the man himself. Many businesses I see have a sith style relationship with a business owner that has all of the power and an apprentice, he is teaching everything he knows to, that craves his position.
Only in special cases would I consider this to be untrue. Cases would include relatively smaller cities and towns where more people just know each other and thus there is more of a society bond. And a tendency to trust rather than fight dog eat dog style. Maybe that's because people are more closely related? Thus as long as someone is carrying on the genes it doesn't matter relatively who it is among the men in that society. Curious to see what the seniors here think of that idea.
systemshock869 10y ago
A lot of parallels exist between the relationship a man (or woman) has with business/jobs and the relationship a woman has with a man. Even in that 'small town' scenario. Communities and social circles are probably the biggest forces keeping women faithful.
Men didn't 'evolve to adopt the solipsism of women' in the business world. Business has always been like that. In an impersonal setting like business, it's not (usually) a fucked up way to handle your relationships - it's necessary to move up the ladder and secure your best options. Though, the evolutionary psychology people will say it's just as necessary for women to do this in a personal relationship setting. I for one like to hold them a little more accountable than that.
Overkillengine 10y ago
Which is why it is very important to vet your social circle and not allow men that go pussy blind into it; since that is the chink in the armor for a woman to feel safe branch swinging.
As long as she knows the penalty for even attempted misbehavior is ejection from the tribe and loss of status/access to status, her chances of misbehaving are greatly reduced. But that takes a group of men with status and resources acting in accordance instead of no-holds competition.