Introduction
This is going to be a short post about respect and etiquette. I know you new guys are all super alphas that don't play by no man's rules, but do yourself a favour and listen up - you might learn something about TRP's internal dynamic and how to give due respect to other men on or above your level.
Being a Dick on the Internet
I've been noticing a lot of internal strife here recently. It's been coming out in different ways - some guys start throwing out insults, others act like they're part of some TRP insurrection against the mods/endorsed. Others yet are kicking up a fuss about GLO's t-shirt links. Now, let's be clear - disagreement is OK. But there's a right way and a wrong way to go about it. Now, I know a lot of you guys are new to the idea of dominance and masculinity, and are trying to express it on the internet. The fact of the matter is, TRP is a place of brotherhood and respect. Rather than shutting another guy down for making a mistake or for having a bad attitude, give him pointers and correct him. If someone disagrees with you, use it as an opportunity to test your beliefs by debating them out in the open. Save your posturing for the ladies.
Rebellion against all forms of authority is a beta move. Men work best within rigid hierarchies with room for meritocratic progression and that's exactly what TRP is. If you post quality content on a regular basis, you will earn the respect of your peers. For those who are recognised as being above you in the hierarchy (i.e. mods, endorsed, flaired), you should treat them with the respect that you would treat a mentor. This doesn't mean bowing down and taking GLO's dirty Russian cock up your ass as so many are keen to suggest when people defend his t-shirt posts, but it is recognising the merit of the work upon which his status stands. By being a little rebel anarchist who doesn't respect earned authority, you are being a special snowflake. Learn to recognise earned versus unearned authority.
Giving Respect Where It's Due
On the topic of mods and endorsed members, they've earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to wandering off the beaten track. If GLO decides to start camwhoring on TRP, you can be damn sure the mod team would've heard about it first and that they will deal with any transgressions where appropriate. Guidance and discipline cannot be hoisted upwards, only handed downwards. So what if you don't like that he includes a t-shirt link and some marketing spiel at the end of his posts - leave your downvote, state your disagreement in plain terms and move on, don't have a cry on the internet about it. By all means express disagreement, but take a moment to consider how much free time these guys have spent writing articles, for free, solely to benefit you. Noone's paying Whisper, F9R or GLO to spend their free time writing up new content for you, but for every new post that goes up there's a vocal minority trying their best to call out the author on some minor note or getting upset because a title is hyperbolic. Everything on TRP is hyperbolic because it's easier to lay out principles when you're not pausing for disclaimers every two seconds and we entrust the reader with the ability to understand the message. If you can't read F9R's post, "Looks are everything", and realise that he meant "Looks are important" then you need to work on your critical thinking skills because that shit is obvious.
Accepting Criticism
We've all been there. You throw out your opinion onto the internet and someone has the audacity to disagree with you or point out that you're wrong. No-one likes that shit. However, what I've been seeing far too much recently is for this type of scenario to devolve into a full-on e-penis jousting tournament with each contender trying to make the other lose frame through the internet. It's fucking dumb, guys. Part of sitting at the big boy table is being able to take and give criticism without attaching your ego to your opinions or viewpoint. This seems to be falling by the wayside at the moment and no-one stands to gain from a flame war, so here's a simple step-by-step on how to deal with conflict on the internet:
- You make a comment on a public forum, i.e. TRP
- Someone disagrees with you
- If you disagree with their counterpoint, respond with your comments
- You both part ways having hopefully learned from the other's perspective
There's another way this can go too, if someone else decides to get all teary and emotional with you. Your handy flow diagram:
- You post a disagreement/correction/whatever
- OP's tampon breaks, fucks are raining down like a cloudbreak in the Hebrides, emotions are running raw for some silly, silly reason
- Point and laugh at OP, remind him that he's on the internet and shouldn't get so upset
This works with sites like TBP too. Yes, TBP often calls us rapists, misogynists, etc etc. But it's entirely a waste of your (valuable) time to jump over there and wildly accuse everyone on that sub of being a beta faggot. You know who you are. By all means, read what they have to see and try to pick out legitimate criticisms of TRP philosophy - the only way to better understand a philosophy is to challenge it, attack it as a devil's advocate, read the public criticism of its tenets and try to find the flaws in their arguments and, failing that, your own understanding/opinion. But by leaping to defend TRP against criticism, you are doing the same thing that white-knight betas do when they leap to defend the girls they orbit.
TLDR
I lied that this post was going to be short. I also lied to myself in thinking it was going to be streamlined and follow a common theme. Sue me. The summary of this post is let's put on our big boy pants and treat each other, and particularly the senior members, with a bit of respect. Real men respect earned authority, and so should you. TRP welcomes disagreement and debate when it's conducted rationally, but I've seen far too many outbursts recently and I feel the matter needed addressing.
Peace, love, and good trim to all bros,
rpv
[edit] To Clarify
The endorsed members still have to run rule-bending activity by the mods. They don't get free reign to do whatever they want, but because they've earned some additional privileges, when they want to do something unorthodox they have the option of asking the mods directly whether it's ok to proceed. If an average user did the same, they might well get given the go-ahead too, but it's less likely because they haven't earned a position of privilege and additional consideration yet.

daddymonsterpoodle 10y ago
I guess what annoys me as someone new to TRP is when I ask a legitimate question and get a reply like "figure it out for yourself, bitch." or "don't be a blue pill faggot." Of course there is stuff that I need to internalise and some stuff does need to be lived not learnt. It does discourage us newbies from being part of TRP. And yes, I have read the sidebars and the rational male and the rest. That doesn't mean I don't like clarification or that I understand everything I read. My two cents.
rp_valiant 10y ago
Ignore the users who reply like this, they're usually anger phasers trying to dick-wave on the internet. Most of the endorsed or regular members will try to give you a hand if the answer isn't immediately obvious or covered in some of the canonical material.
NaughtyFred 10y ago
There is no "respect" or "brotherhood" or "fraternity" on this sub.
I suspect most new guys are driven away or stay silent because as much as this sub may be seen as misogynistic by outsiders I read almost as much hate for betas in thread comments. Hardly welcoming for reforming betas who no doubt make up the majority of this subs subscribers.
So what we end with is more of a circlejerk of alphas humble-bragging about all the shit they do and got under the guise of threads and comments which only tell the other alphas what they already know.
rp_valiant 10y ago
This is what I'm trying to address with this post. You're spot-on in your observation that there's a lot of dick-wagging and member-to-member fighting at the moment, because there's a lot more anger-phase than acceptance-phase members. The reason I made this post is to highlight the issue and hopefully get a few of the culprits to reflect on their behaviour and recognise their mistakes. There is respect and brotherhood amongst the members who've fully internalised the pill and have become more alpha, but that is being drowned out by the majority who still aren't quite there yet.
FLFTW16 10y ago
This is an interesting meta post.
Recently I have been seeing neutral comments down voted. A totally neutral comment should have a score of 1. If the idea expressed promotes blue pill thinking then it's appropriate to down vote. If the comment is insightful, then it should garner up votes. When I see red pill comments downvoted I know we are being brigaded by a shitsub--and usually the comment is rescued with upvotes within hours. But when I see a neutral comment downvoted that just means that a little boy got his feewings hurt on the internet and is just downvoting to try to win a message board argument. Pathetic and intolerable.
Unnecessary negativity is pointless. I get it, you don't like GLO's tshirts. Or that idea for a fraternity. It's possible to disagree respectfully or just don't buy a shirt! Don't join the frat! Do your own thing. What some guys don't appreciate is that the vanguard is there to push boundaries. Eventually when ideas get kicked around long enough minds start to change and red pill wisdom will graduate from being this dark corner of the internet where thoughtcrimes are committed by a handful of rebels to out-in-broad-daylight operations conducted by individuals and organizations. It seems the level of vitriol can only be explained by guys that choose to be haters. They don't want to see a bro find success. They don't want anyone to monetize or benefit or advance themselves. This is probably because deep down they know they could be doing more for themselves. Seeing someone promoting themselves pisses them off because it's a reminder of the work they could be doing. It's absurd.
We all would do well to remember that this is our place to compare notes. We are all students of humanity studying the world; and each of us has unique experiences. When our notes differ it is possible to question and even debate, so debate the idea, not the person. Be generous in your interpretation of someone's idea. Don't build up a strawman out of someone's words just to feel gratified that you could cut it in half. That being said, everyone should study the list of logical fallacies. Try to be precise with your use of language, while giving others at least some benefit of the doubt. There are many here for whom English is a 2nd or 3rd tongue.
What pisses me off the most are low effort posts--I will always downvote and report them. Sometimes it's clear the submitter spent 30 seconds on it before publishing. No analysis, no links, no thoughts or ideas. This sub is a stadium of 130,000 people. Posting should involve hours of careful research, writing, editing, thinking, elucidating, editing again. If you don't want to spend the time then just be a reader--nothing wrong in that.
Oh and by the way, Endorsed Contributors are sometimes wrong and sometimes make mistakes--it's only human. Their life isn't your life, and what life taught them and what life taught you could be two different things. Don't get caught up on labels and don't imagine this to be some sort of religion. Compare notes and then make up your own mind. You live your life and make your own decisions.
RPJapan 10y ago
A big part of this is entitlement.
We berate basic bitches for being self entitled but in reality, plenty of new posters grew up around that culture and the result is the behavior listed in OP. These people are quick to emotionally defend their crap opinions and are stubborn towards change.
Perhaps implement a long ban, since we recommend reading and internalizing this information before posting.
A place like this, where great minds come together to discuss and solve problems should be valued more than it currently is It would be a shame to discourage quality posters to share their information because a few little bitches want to troll and flame others.
CowardlyPetrov 10y ago
AMALT.
All men are beta pussy faggots. They don't need to just understand women. They need to understand themselves and change.
rp_valiant 10y ago
Yeah, as well as shutting down masculinity, today's society encourages everyone to develop entitlement and unhealthy narcissism which leads to "my opinion must be right because it's mine" attitudes. Any attack on those opinions is an attack on the fragile ego - this is what I think feminists are talking about when they mock the "fragile male ego".
It's all part of the unplugging process to recognise that men are never superior by birth, only by toil, and thus it is not masculine to rebel against valid authority in spite of media portrayal.
RedPharaohRising 10y ago
Good post - but I strongly disagree with this idea:
I agree with the message. I agree with the use of hyperbole to not only draw attention to the post (absolutes are more attractive headlines) but also to make a point.
However, for lurkers, it is very often NOT obvious that these are hyperbolic. We should make it clear to all comers that this is hyperbole, somehow, somewhere, so that they don't actually start thinking of the most alpha way to let someone pass them on the road.
rp_valiant 10y ago
I actually have on my desktop a partially written post entitled "The Red Pill is Full of Hyperbole" addressing exactly this issue. I'll make sure to prioritise that one.
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RedPharaohRising 10y ago
Let's get it stickied. I hope that's not a satirical post - the title could go either way, honestly and it would confuse the everlasting fuck out of newcomers.
rp_valiant 10y ago
it's a subject I'm going to have to broach carefully. I need to make clear the areas of TRP that are exaggerated without coming across as either tone policing or disagreeing with the principles being discussed.
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I'll await the submission but I think it's a waste of your time.
Those that cannot parse the fact that this statement:
Is not a literal, absolutist statement and rather an implied and understood general rule will not have the IQ to read and internalise what you are saying here.
We've been doing this shit for two and a half years with "AWALT" and still no progress - this is because progress cannot be made with roughly 50% of people. They are genuinely too stupid.
rp_valiant 10y ago
another thought - perhaps my time would be better invested going back to basics and writing a post on critical thinking and rational analysis of others' posts? Explaining how you or I might read a post, trying to relate to what the poster was trying to say rather than picking apart their words or declaring them a heretic or charletan. The latter seems to be the response to every post that pushes boundaries these days.
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You are your own man. Submit it and see.
As for the responses complaining about GLOs Tshirt and the "Rules being unfair for EC+", beta bitch, heretic etc it doesn't warrant a response.
Eagles don't catch flies.
rp_valiant 10y ago
I guess my hope is to improve the signal-to-noise ratio of TRP. There has been a noticeable but gradual downturn in the quality of the average user in the past 6 months. So much absolutism, internet tough guy behaviour and general bitch-ass behaviour and I might be being optimistic but I think a few consciously-targeted posts aimed at these people will make a difference. After all, why would someone be on TRP if not to become their own man and improve themselves in mind, body and attitude?
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To what end?
130k people here.
50k of them are going to be dumb. By all means I encourage any and all to create submissions, but a meta post on how to understand abstract semantic meaning I think will be preaching to the choir or falling on deaf ears (as in, they simply cannot understand).
A mistake I made for a lot of my life was assuming people were as smart as me, and getting exasperated when they wouldn't conform to rational positions. Turns out a lot of people fundamentally cannot do that. Take your example of internet tough guy, bitch ass behaviour and absolutisms and apply it to the link below.
AchTeeTeePeeColonforwardforwardslashpaulcooijmans.com/intelligence/iq_ranges.html
rp_valiant 10y ago
you might well have a point there. In a psych test when I was younger I tested in the 140 range. Perhaps I'm just holding the average TRP member to too high a standard, seen as for me, truly figuring out and embracing the TRP principles through all the metaphor and hyperbole took a lot of analysis and introspection. Perhaps the average guy reads it and thinks "OK so basically, women are subhuman and I need to act like some hyper-macho Tyler Durden caricature".
That actually explains a lot of the TBP criticism talking about "my brother read TRP and now he's just a dick". That isn't TRP, but some people just don't grok it.
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You see examples of how relatively poor the average IQ is when polling people's positions on...
Middle East conflicts.
Nuclear energy.
Animal testing.
Vaccinations.
Diet and nutrition.
I have found that median IQ people are more likely to suffer from Dunning-Kruger as well in day to day instances. I was at college one time and the national press was running a typically silly article about how the large hadron collider could make mini black holes and rip the Earth apart. As an otherwise opinionated young man my peers asked me what I thought on the matter. I replied in rough terms "Since I am not a particle physicist I don't have an opinion on this and neither should any of you ". You can guess the overall response to that.
rp_valiant 10y ago
Yeah I've seen that too. So many people supporting immigration too, in spite of the clear evidence of the failings of multiculturalism both in my country (UK) and even more extreme examples over the water in Sweden.
The LHC thing was hilarious because I have a few friends who are legitimate physicists, consulted their opinions and read all the articles from real journals about it in an effort to understand how it guided particles and how they were going to detect the Higgs boson in spite of the fact that the Higgs field is supposedly what gives particles mass. The second I enter a conversation with some randomer about it it's "oh it's such a waste of money, and it seems really dangerous. I heard it creates black holes!"
It's partly why I want something like a TRP frat to happen. This place seems to draw a fair share of intelligent, perceptive guys and it'd be a great group of guys to socialise with and it'd be interesting to see what we could accomplish by working together.
DRMMR76 10y ago
The only thing that gets on my nerves is the fact that certain people are just exempt from the posting format rules. Now most still post in the right way anyways, like this post, but I will never buy the "everyone is equal, just some are more equal" crap no matter what arena. If you wanna give the "we're all brothers here" speech, that's cool. The rules should apply to everyone. If you don't wanna have the rules apply to everyone, that's cool too, but just come out and say "some of us are above you". Pick one and stick with it, and be honest about it.
rp_valiant 10y ago
It's a case of earned privilege. The average user on TRP has not yet earned his or her stripes, so they have to follow the rules. As an individual contributes more and more value to the group, they go up in "rank" and are granted privileges.
Do you really believe everyone is equal? Equality is for those with no will to strive or compete. On TRP, the endorsed outrank you. Equality for all and a leaderless structure are leftist ideologies.
Think of it like a military structure. Most users are privates, flaired and endorsed users are NCOs, mods are officers. Officers get to do what they want, NCOs have some leeway in following the rules compared to privates because they've earned it, privates have to follow the rules or get kicked off the base. It's about the value you add.
Squeezymypenisy 10y ago
Officers didn't earn any stripes though. They went to college which put them ahead of the average enlisted private. A new 2nd LT had less experience than a sergeant.
rp_valiant 10y ago
Hence why the mods are the officers. They didn't have to contribute loads to get to their position because they are the leaders and created this place. Thankfully they do contribute a lot and work hard to keep TRP useful. Endorsed are NCOs because they have to work their way up from the bottom.
Squeezymypenisy 10y ago
I think a rule of law and fraternity example makes more sense. If you are going to use the term brotherhood then every brother obeys the rules. Even the ones who are endorsed as an example to any new guys.
rp_valiant 10y ago
I agree, and there's certainly a lot more nuance to it than just "endorsed get to bend the rules". You'll often find that the endorsed have cleared their rule-bending actions with the mods first. They might be going outside the written word, but as long as they get cleared by the officers they're still behaving correctly and respectfully.
DRMMR76 10y ago
Like I said in another post, if you're not leading from the front, you're no leader.
DRMMR76 10y ago
Then just pick one and go with it, like I said. And be open about it, also like I said. Leave all the "it's a brotherhood" stuff out next time. If we're going with the "some of us are teachers, the rest of you are pupils" model, be up front about it. Skip the platitudes and bromides. It's a fine model, but don't placate people with smooth talk meant to make people feel better. Come out and be proud with it. Put it in the sidebar under "Welcome to The Red Pill". Tell new people "If you're not an endorsed contrubiter, your job is to read, learn, and mostly stay quiet. We'll let you know when it's time for you to do more". That's basically what is happening. Just say it plainly.
rp_valiant 10y ago
OK, there's so much wrong with what you just said that I need to break it down piece by piece:
Whenever an endorsed contributor bends a rule, they usually mention that they've earned that right. Regardless, the fact that a hierarchy exists implies that there are privileges to earn.
Brotherhood and hierarchy are not mutually exclusive. "We are brothers" means that we should respect and support each other. You can have senior members and alumni in a fraternity and that's basically the definition of a brotherhood.
This is a community. Some have more to offer than others, but all are welcome to contribute and all will (or should) be considered on the merit of their argument.
What part of my post made you think it was meant to make people feel better? It's a reminder that some of the members are being bitches, and to stop being such. It's an appeal to being a man, not an appeal to feeling warm and fuzzy.
If you don't get it yet, your job is to read, learn and mostly stay quiet. If you feel you have a strong grasp of the principles, feel free to comment away and guide other, newer members. Hell, bring up new topics and analyses if you want. I joined this site 10 months ago, kept quiet for about 3-4 months, then started commenting and discussing once I felt that I'd internalised the main lessons.
You're actually providing a perfect example of what I was trying to call out. You're playing the whole "I'm calling you out for your deceit, just admit it! just admit it!" card. You're being passive-aggressive and confrontational when there is no benefit to doing so. Now, I'm having to break down my point into smaller pieces specifically addressed at you because you tried to call me out on some kind of deception. This has been a complete waste of time for me because I'm having to explicitly state that which you should be able to work out for yourself.
DRMMR76 10y ago
You done complaining about having to defend your ideas yet and can we get back on topic, or do you need a few more moments to lament the laborious effort it took you to type a few sentences on some internet forum?
The fucking point is a leader who doesn't lead by example is no leader. I don't care how experienced or knowledgeable someone is. If they don't stick to the to rules because they're the rules, or show people how they're supposed to act instead of just telling them, they're not to be listened to or followed. If someone wants to stand up in front of me and lecture me on what they think I should do, they can prove they belong there by following the same guidelines. "Do what I say, not as I do" is never, ever, ever, ever right. And I've been in the military. An officer who says "storm that bunker, I'll stay back and coordinate" is a piece of shit pussy. Likewise an NCO who sits there with his arms folded and a coffee in his hand watching the privates carry the heavy shit. Always lead by example. Always. There is simply no excuse not to.
The mods and endorsed members should not only have to follow the same rules, it shouldn't have even been an issue. They should have all done it on their own. They should have asked to not be exempted because it sets the wrong example. If you wanna lead, lead from the front. If you can't do that, you're not a leader.
The general "you" of course, like all of my posts have been referring to. Not you personally since you obviously got offended by the word "you" in my other posts.
Something an instructor at WLC said to me that I'll never forget:
"If you ever find yourself telling your soldiers 'go do this' when you could and should be saying 'let's go do this', take off your stripes, you don't deserve them"
rp_valiant 10y ago
I'm happy to defend my ideas from legitimate criticism. What you did was try to call me out for engaging in smoke-and-mirrors tactics. Rather than try to understand my position by asking questions or attempting to refute my points, given that I can only transfer ideas using words and there's room for misinterpretation or mistakes in my own amateur attempts at explaining my viewpoint, you simply threw out accusations. When an SJW wants to take someone down who, for example, denies the 1/5 rape statistic, they throw out statements like "So you support rape! that's what you're saying isnt it? be a man and stand behind your real beliefs!" as a trap. That's exactly what you did. That isn't legitimate debate, it's a game of j'accuse.
The endorsed members still have to clear any rule-bending actions with the mod team. If the mods say no to something and they do it anyway, they get banned, demoted or some other fitting punishment that I have honestly never seen occur because the endorsed members aren't going around breaking the spirit of the rules. The rules are derived from what the mods deem acceptable practice, so after the endorsed have earned some dues they can go straight to the mods for permission to do things that aren't expressly allowed in the rules. To relate back to the military analogy (UK references), if a warrant officer wants to do something that's not expressly allowed in base rules then they can go to the CO and will likely get a fair consideration. If a private were to do the same they would be disregarded, because they haven't earned the right to request considerations.
The mods are the rules. The mods can do as they please because they are the rulers of this place. Now, mods can do things we can't that aren't explicitly stated in the rules because the rules are for us lower members, but that doesn't mean they're going to abuse that power.
As for the endorsed, see above. They do have to follow the rules, but if they want to venture outside they've earned the privilege to do so as long as they clear it with the mod team.
I don't know why you're accusing me of being offended. I'm annoyed that I'm having to explain things that I thought were implicit, but that's on me because I didn't consider my assumptions and constitutes poor writing on my part. It's noted for future posts.
By and large I agree with your complaint, but in my eyes as long as the endorsed are getting clearance from the mods to do things that aren't explicitly allowed in the rules, they're still behaving correctly. Regardless, if the endorsed really broke the rules and did something way off-base, the mods would take care of it. They're a pretty consistent bunch.
[edit] I made a clarification on my post to address your criticism. I didn't realise that my post could be interpreted as saying that the endorsed members were above the law, and hopefully my amendment addresses that.
Momo_dollar 10y ago
Never understood the hate to people making money or trying to promote something. E.g Elliott Hulse on YouTube gets a lot of hate for making money , I just don't get it. People are watching or reading stuff for free why do they then get bothered when they find out money is being made through clicks, ads, sponsors, or products etc? Suppose females will answer that best.
rp_valiant 10y ago
some people just have deep-seated jealousy issues that they rationalise to vague, nonsensical concepts like "selling out" or money causing "declining quality". Anyone with two brain cells to rub together should be able to see that if there's money to be made, the smart move is to reinvest that money in the product and therefore increase quality.
Also, society has deeply ingrained notions that anyone making money is inherently exploiting those they make money from, or those they employ. Some people see GLO's t-shirt link and they just feel dirty because they feel like they're being exploited.
Momo_dollar 10y ago
Its sad. People will overpay for an iPhone without thinking, then get bothered when an individual is posting links for t-shirts, or they find out the guy whose video they have been watching for free actually makes money because he gets 100k plus views in a few days etc.
The most envied man is the entrepreneurial man, until his product/service is big enough to become a brand.
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RedPharaohRising 10y ago
That's a false dichotomy - neither is the idea true. By telling my friends I'm not cool with what they're doing, I don't automatically choose to side with their enemies. If we can work out this misunderstanding, it's better for all of us.
We're ok with their being some rules - we want to know what they are, and who they apply to. Different sets of rules are fine - once again, as long as they're clear, not overly disparate, and stuck to.
laere 10y ago
Hey man this is completely off topic, but how can I get in touch with you for a skype call? I know you're probably busy.
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rp_valiant 10y ago
I think you hit the nail on the head there. There's so few of us that any consistent internal strife is going to water down our previously-strong message and before you know it TRP will be like seddit.
The thing I really don't understand is that you've stated before that money from the t-shirt sales will be going towards producing a YouTube series related to TRP so that money's being reinvested in quality TRP content anyway. So even the argument that you're profiteering (which should be fine in the first place) is invalid.
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rp_valiant 10y ago
Well there's a lot you do for this community, but the whole reinvestment thing specifically applies to the t-shirt sales in that they're not even really profiteering.
I think part of the problem is that a lot of new, mostly-beta anger-phasers see your DGAF alpha persona on TRP and get butthurt because in you they see the guy their girlfriend cheated on them with. Or now that they understand women's attraction, they feel cheated and are angry at those who haven't wasted so much time pursuing the beta strategy, and you're the most visible person waving that in their faces.
Either way, those of us who've swallowed the pill and are here to socialise, and guide the newer guys and occasionally have our boundaries tested aren't the ones getting up in arms about it.
Momo_dollar 10y ago
All brothers are equal in the eyes of the parents but not all brothers EARN the same level of trust and privileges from their parents. Brotherhood is about love/respect and having each others back, privileges are earned according to ability and past actions, the two work together and have done since civilisation started.
Example, If everyone was endorsed the amount of endorsed nonesense written would descredit this sub and confuse or mislead people who lack critical thinking capabilities. Then every post would automatically have to have "the views expresses by the autor are not necessarily shared by TRP"
Moral of the story: bitches moan out of envy, men earn what they want.
rp_valiant 10y ago
well stated. There's nothing wrong with having tiers with recognition and privilege, as long as they have to be earned and they don't imbue above-the-law status. Anyone who complains about there being tiers with privileges would rather drag everyone else down with them to the bottom of the ladder.
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rp_valiant 10y ago
I agree with you on the tryhard thing; I personally would rather have a subtle design that meant that TRP members could spot each other in the wild. I'd consider my £30 well spent if, by wearing a shirt, I got into a real life conversation with one of you guys.
In terms of post quality, if anything the quality of the posts is part of your branding. Any smart marketer wants to present their brand in the best light possible, so by having shitty content next to a t-shirt people would rightly slam GLO. Therefore, the smart move would be to raise quality if anything.
I've seen an awful lot of shitposting and shitcommenting, and most of the time it's from newer members. GLO gets annoyed because he puts a hell of a lot of work into helping people here and lately all he's seen is ingratitude and bitterness directed at him. I'd get annoyed at people if they took my work for granted and then moaned that I started offering a product for purchase. Look out on the next post you read for an unknown name trying to call someone out, calling someone names undeservedly (calling people beta is a popular one), or acting like some kind of v-for-vendetta insurrectionist. It happens at least once per post at the moment.
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rp_valiant 10y ago
Of course he's not obligated to post here - and if he keeps getting flak he might well decide it's not worth the hassle.
And of course I'm defending him - he's a regular contributor who has been under regular excessive criticism recently. If people were attacking Whisper or Archwinger for trumped up reasons on a regular basis I'd support them too. My opinion is that TRP is better with the endorsed contributors continuing to post here, and I also believe TRP would be better if there wasn't so much needless, overblown internet drama over such tiny supposed infractions.
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rp_valiant 10y ago
So by backing up someone I respect, I'm a woman?
Just so it's clear, it's people like you that I was addressing with this post. I don't see how you think you're contributing to TRP by being a troll.
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rp_valiant 10y ago
how very edgy of you. I hope you get over this insecure lashing-out phase soon, it's not good for your mental health.
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rp_valiant 10y ago
You are coming across as lashing out. And who lashes out? Either those that are angry, or those that are insecure, and I don't believe I have personally done anything to make you angry unless the idea of affording other guys on TRP a modicum of respect rustles your jimmies.
I afforded you a base level of respect in my first reply, by addressing your criticism without insults or pithiness. The second you rolled out the "you must be a woman" comment, you lost that respect and now I'm perfectly happy to talk to you like a dickish little child because that's how you're acting. Accusing me of shaming you? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?
Anyway, if you're going to continue with this faux-macho, needlessly confrontational vein then I've nothing more to add. If you want to criticise anything I've said from a logical standpoint as opposed to using insults and a smarmy attitude then I'll happily debate you and/or clarify my position.
ScholarInRed 10y ago
I cannot upvote this enough.
I'm (still) writing that post on fraternity. It's taking longer than expected, because there's so much to say and the current state of things pisses me off so much. I'm struggling to write something that won't have to use the 'Rant/Venting' flair.
Manhood is a creed which unites us all. The sisterhood has used one of the most basic and effective tactics of war against us with immeasurable success; divide and conquer. We are so divided these days that I don't think it's any wonder we have been so thoroughly conquered.
Strong points all. A phrase I've come to repeat as a mantra around here, when I'm typing up a reply, is "Attack the points, not the man."
rp_valiant 10y ago
I think this post has actually laid the issue bare in its own existence. Every endorsed member who has commented here has agreed that the problem exists and is harming TRP, but still the upvote ratio is oscillating between 65 and 75 percent. Clearly there's quite a few guys here who completely disagree with the idea of advancement, mutual respect, earned privilege, and hierarchy. Frankly I find that incredibly disappointing.
ScholarInRed 10y ago
You took the words right out of my mouth. I was 90% committed to commenting to that effect.
It's partly the Newcomer Radiation. Every celestial body is subject to the cosmic radiation which comes from the Universe all around, and every post on here is subject to the same constant but slight breeze of harsh radiation, embodied in people spitting up the pill or choking on it, then downvoting out of anger. So long as we're exposed to the Internet all around, we'll have that constant stream of totally fresh newcomers on a regular basis.
The posting community are like a prison phone, that should expect to get bashed around for bearing bad news.