TL/DR: Being sexist is embracing our true nature.
I recently had that realization. As boys, we have been conditioned to treat other boys and girls (and their adult counterparts) all the same. That's what feminism teaches--that's how they control you.
Since I was so maleable and sensitive as a young man, I listened. And you know what? That conditioning really fucked me up for a long time. I tried to treat men and women all the same, and it turned out bad in a lot of ways. At work, with romance, with friends, self-fulfillment, everywhere.
Over the past few weeks, I've decided to 'go my own way' as it were, in my daily routine. As soon as I realized my conditioning, I abandoned those feminist teachings, and began treating people the way my intuition guides me. I'll gladly accept the attempted shame tactics from a punk-bitch for treating him/her 'in'appropriately--because it's far better than feeling weeks or months of self-shame for not being a man with balls intact. In the past, whenever there was an interaction between myself and a client, I tried to treat them all the same--man or woman. And again, the results generally sucked. I felt bad, and they wanted me to feel bad--because I was acting like a pussy. That's how feminism keeps you down.
But now things are different. I don't give a fuck. And it's working wonders--at work, with relationships, and most importantly, with my own feelings of self-worth.
Summary: Women want to be treated like women, and men want to be treated like men. So, goddammit, be a fuking sexist pig and treat them all the way they deep-down want to be treated. That's what makes a dignified man respect you, and that's what makes a healthy vagina wet for you. And if some damaged cunt doesn't like your harmonious connection with nature--s/he's out of touch with reality--i.e., tough shit.
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Men need to start understanding something about "sexism". If you do not toe to line with modern feminism YOU ARE SEXIST. If you disagree in any way shape or form YOU ARE SEXIST. If you come here to redpill, or agree with anything MRA's say YOU ARE SEXIST.
You need to accept this and embrace it. You have no choice because according to them it is all you are. Calling someone a sexist pig or a misogynist is an attempt to shame you in a box. By overtly acknowledging it and making it public that you are (even if you aren't as most of you probably are not) you deny them ammunition. Sexism and Misogyny only work as tools to control you when you allow them too. Cast it off and never give a fuck because its irrelevant.
The more those words are used the less they are worth. Acknowledge their weakness then roll them off like a pebble thrown at a giant.
Edited for clarification.
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marty2k 10y ago
People complain about how freely being called a sexist or misogynistic is now, but I don't mind. Much like "rape" and "abusive", feminists are overusing these terms so much that they are losing weight.
Now to take those terms serious you need to know the context before making judgement. When you say rape, do you mean forced to have sex or had a drunken hookup? When you say abuse do you mean he beat her or refused to give into her badgering. When you say sexist or misogynistic, do you mean he hates women and believes them to be inferior, or doesn't agree with feminists having carte blanche to anything they want without debate and dared to question the dogma?
apackofwankers 10y ago
The flak is always strongest when you are right over the target
[deleted] 10y ago
This reads like a quote from a Biggles novel. Spot on.
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Unless you are attractive. Attractive men can say the most blatant sexist crap right in front of the most hardcore fem nazi
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Don't play along. Don't be allowed to be put in that box. Women strive for dominance just like men, they just do it most of the time in a non physical manner. "You're a misogynist!" or "You're sexist!" is literally a shit test now. Just let it roll off and stay on point like nothing was ever said as if it didnt phase you.
They will then begin to question themselves because they were looking for an emotional response that implies defense. "No I'm not sexist/misogynist!"
If you act like it is nothing, it becomes nothing.
rebuildingMyself 10y ago
Feminism only tells MALES to treat FEMALES the same. Women are free to discriminate, cunt out, and abuse men and they are fine.
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The type of woman who thinks you're a sexist pig isn't worth having anyway.
RedSugarPill 10y ago
Exactly. That's one reason the approach works--it polarizes everyone--i.e., it filters out the compatible from the incompatible--immediately. Wasted time goes down by orders of magnitude.
RPMahoutsukai 10y ago
Thing is, sexism really exists! Thinking a woman is a lesser being than a man, deserving less rights, being more dumb - that's sexist. Thinking a man is by default more crude, less capable of empathy, etc. - that's also sexist. It would be great if we could actually work on fixing that.
However, feminism distorted it to the point where dealing with real sexism is impossible, because it is misused by feminists to promote their bullshit. Now you cannot fix the real problem, because the minds of the people are engaged in fighting windmills...
ErasmusOrgasmus 10y ago
To be honest I've seen some quite credible arguments that women are inferior to men in far more ways than men are inferior to women. I can't remember them all but here are some of them:
Men are more rational which makes them more useful in most situations, especially emergencies. I can't empirically prove that of course, but I think most men would agree and I don't doubt it.
Men are better problem solvers because it is their first instinct when faced with a problem (as opposed to women's instinct of seeking comfort/sympathy/understanding).
Men are physically superior in almost every way. To paraphrase the argument, name me a sport where women out-perform men besides maybe gymnastics. Men are stronger, quicker, bigger.
In contrast I find it genuinely hard to think of many areas of real significance wherein women are superior. I suppose one could argue that they have certain biological and psychological traits which make them better suited to parenthood than men do (e.g. women are more responsive to high-pitched sounds whilst asleep as the cries of infants typically fall into that high pitched range). But you could argue that there's lots more to being a good parent than just biology and in fact most of being a good parent is about making good decisions and you would expect the more rational men to be generally better at that.
RPMahoutsukai 10y ago
Men and women are inferior and superior to one another in different areas. There are two incorrect conclusions that can be drawn from that, and this is what I call a prime example of sexism:
1) Men are better than women at X => Women are lesser beings / Men are superior than women period
2) Men are better than women at X => Women suck at X
These both are incorrect. If men are superior than women at, say, logic, or women are superior than men at, say, empathy, it does not mean women suck at logic or men suck at empathy, nor does it mean men or women are lesser beings.
ErasmusOrgasmus 10y ago
I gave numerous examples of areas where men are superior and explicitly stated the importance of these areas in human survival and life. In aggregate, this suggests male superiority unless you know of any areas where women are superior which are also genuinely important to human life.
At the moment you sound like a Blue Piller who would be unwilling or unable to accept male superiority, even if it were somehow proven, because you cannot let go of your BP conditioning that men and women are equal.
RPMahoutsukai 10y ago
I have no problem with gender inequality or differences. I fully believe men and women are different. I do have problem, however, with men or women being considered "superior period". If you want logical argument, then here it is, I claim that this is false:
Please tell me how being the only sex that can bear children is not important to human life. Unless you can do that, you have to agree that men and women are not superior over each other, but complimentary to each other. Men are no more superior to women than an eye is superior to a leg, or a brain to an arm.
ErasmusOrgasmus 10y ago
Of course it's important. But so is the male role. Both are required for reproduction.
Lol. Are you serious? I listed 4 areas off the top of my head in which men are superior. You listed one where BOTH men and women are literally indispensable and think that proves that men are not superior? Oh dear.
Clearly BP as all hell, choosing to ignore the truth.
RPMahoutsukai 10y ago
BP/RP care not for who is superior. RP is a sexual strategy for men, as is BP, difference being RP works and BP doesn't. What you're talking about is debate on sexism, sex supremacy and stuff, and what you're trying to do is ad hominem attack, calling me "BP" in order to strengthen your argument.
saibot83 10y ago
It became a convenient brush to tar people with before the subsequent feathering.
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RPMahoutsukai 10y ago
I guess even the "rights" term is plagued nowadays. I must note that I indeed think despite differences, women and men should have same rights, at the same time I do not see some things commonly viewed as "rights" to be valid. For example, I do not think "voting rights" are rights, they're not, they're responsiblities that should not fall on women (as they are way worse than men at planning ahead and thinking logically).
hypno_disc 10y ago
I'm glad you're starting to embrase the truth, that's what RP is all about. Keep doing your thing and fuck all the haters and shamers, those idiots just dont like it when they see a man who understands the actually rules of the game and uses them to his advantage to become successful.
Feminazis and their manginas deem everything that doesn't 100% conform with their bullshit ideology as 'sexist' because they're overcompensating for the fact that deep down they know that Women are the inferior sex.
TheRiseAndFall 10y ago
How exactly do you treat your female clients differently? I've never really thought about how I treat my female co-workers vs. male.
RedSugarPill 10y ago
/u/MattyAnon's response says it best:
I am wholeheartedly honest..with myself, and by proxy, with everyone around me.
Edit: My old mantra used to be "don't express your true feelings". My new mantra is "don't express your inhibitions". That, in itself, changes everything.
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Perhaps what theriseandfall is asking for is some specific examples of in what areas you should/or do treat female clients differently.
For example:
In sales; I would try to sell different items to men and women, and this doesn't only count for items only useful to men or women.
blacwidonsfw 10y ago
I am way more direct with male co workers. Like I will stay " that is not the best way, here is what I would do". And usually, if the idea is truly better they will happily comply. With women, you can not be outright with her you have you convince her it is her idea with your help so she is the primary. For example for the same example above, "that idea will work but here are a few suggestions". She will comply as well but she gets to think it's stil her idea and she "independently" thought of it. Men do not (usually) have a problem going off others plans if it is the best course of action. For a women, her plan is always the best course. These are obviously generalizations and I've worked with people that are exception to this. One interesting thing is I work with a butch lesbian woman and she is one of my favorite to work with because she is 100% direct and 0 bullshit and we get Shit done.
RedSugarPill 10y ago
Let me put it this way--I live in the moment. You need to be with me, right there, when you see me act. I am in the moment, and in my own selfish head. Whereas before, I would evaluate and try to be all 'politically correct'. Honestly, that shit doesn't work in my world. I actually feel like I am dying when I do it. I've had enough, and I threw out the 'I'm worried about your feels' filter and replaced it with completely self-serving charisma and attitude. I am sure I'm not explaining this well, and it inspires me to think on it. If I can articulate it, I will make a new post and link it back here.
symko 10y ago
You got it Bro. I mean you really have it. It's difficult to let go and stop caring. What pains me is that many guys in this subreddit will never know the feeling you feel right now. It's sad. (trying not to laugh at the Crash course PUA's in this subreddit.)
Do you know what a duvet is? It’s a blanket. Just a blanket. Now why do guys like you and me know what a duvet is? Is this essential to our survival, in the hunter-gatherer sense of the word? No. What are we then? We are consumers. We’re the byproducts of a lifestyle obsession.
They are selling us feminism and packaging it as an essential to meeting women.
Don't buy it.
RedSugarPill 10y ago
I think you might be right. Something about this rant and seeing the responses coming in this morning got me all fired up today...and not by coincidence, I may have just picked up a new plate on my way home--we'll see on our first date set up for Friday evening.
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Feminism doesn't teach anything close to equality. They still say "don't ever hit girlllllz!!" and shit like that. Tons of privileges they cling to.
Snivellious 10y ago
So the Wiki article on Benjamin Guggenheim came through TIL recently. Rich, successful guy who willingly died on the Titanic. His last words were
My first thought "That's courage. He face down certain death willingly to save the lives of others." My second thought was "That is one of the most fucked up things I've ever heard."
This guy didn't die to save his family, or his friends. He didn't die to save children with longer lives ahead of them, or people who he thought would benefit the world more than him. He didn't even die to save random other people on the grounds that he was more willing to sacrifice than them.
He died to save women, based on the idea that mens' lives are fundamentally less valuable - that killing a man to save a woman is an inherently good trade.
His life, his choice, but it blew my mind how casually we accept that. How it took me thought and exposure to "horrible" ideas to notice what a deeply fucked up sentiment it is. We're at a point where that decision seems 'quaint', not shocking.
It was an interesting lesson in how ingrained these beliefs really are, and how little we actually examine them. Makes for an interesting reminder of how pronounced gender differences remain, and of how little we examine the ones that don't offer power to certain groups of women.
RedSugarPill 10y ago
That's a cool message. I
thinkhope that if I were in a similar situation, given my age and the fact that I am a man, I would give up my place on the raft for a woman or child. But in the mean time, if it's not life or death--all things come to daddy first!Snivellious 10y ago
Yep, I'm mixed on what the takeaway is but it's definitely an interesting thing.
I can definitely respect children first, and I can even respect a "sacrifice for women" standard when it comes along with a serious belief in the importance of your own agency. On some level it's the bargin that used to constitute patriarchy: men sacrifice for women, and expect deference in return.
At the same time, I find it hard to fault a personal outlook of "why treat women as more valuable" - the intellectually honest version of feminism and modernism amounts to calling off the bargin in favor of "no one is required to sacrifices for anyone."
Regardless of where you fall on biotruths, evopsych, and the rest (I'm super skeptical), it's hard to advance a moral argument that a randomly chosen woman's life is more valuable than a man's. It's only a coherent standard as part of a large (implicit) agreement.
MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
Being sexist is being honest. Men and women are different.
Emotionally, behaviourally, physically different.
Once you fundamentally reject "gender is a social construct" and start to embrace "women are different to men" and therefore "male-female dynamics are different to male-male dynamics", the world starts to make a whole load more sense again.
God knows what deranged psychology feminist nut job think tank came up with this "gender equality means gender sameness" nonsense.
trpftw 10y ago
You guys gotta define your terms. What do you mean by sexist?
I have seen actual sexism and misogyny, the kind that is just there to harm people, destructively. Not out of anything but sadistic pleasure some guy has. That's not normal at all.
That's different from the fact that just because you act assertive or whatever you are "sexist" that feminists use to shame people. Completely different terms almost. They just watered down the term. Feminists caused a lot of harm to that term.
This is absolutely right. But again don't use their watered-down terms. What they are doing is abusing terms and trying to water it down. Just like SJWs abuse "racism". Just like ultranationalists abuse "genocide" to gain sympathy. They use these labels as weapons rather than their correct definitions.
You gotta be explicit in what you're saying. People who aren't RP are not going to understand what you mean. Don't use labels, just describe the actions or individual events/quotes.
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MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
Sexist chauvenistic shitlord pig here too!
God damn I want to get a girl to shout out "fuck me you shitlord" in bed sometime.
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If she doesn't know what you're talking about she might think you're into scat, thus pinching a loaf on your chest
Tarnsman4Life 10y ago
Funny thing; I had this conversation with my newest plate last night. She is Irish and in Chicago for the summer...no idea why; guess she just figured she mine as well be a lazy slut for a summer. I digress; we were having a conversation about male/female relations; How the men in Ireland and Britain as a whole are not up to her standards so she usually prefers women, usual shit. I chimed in that I think feminized/beta men are the lowest form of humanity. She asked me if that is what I really thought about them, I said yes. She went nuts and we ended up banging the night away.
TLDR, women hate betas deep down. They are a necessary evil, like bras and tampons, they also happen to be as disposable as them to most women.
VasiliyZaitzev 10y ago
If you're ever in a bar with a plate and you start talking about what you see in the room, i.e. people, you will quickly confirm the deep and abiding hatred women have for weak men.
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might as well* from Shakespeare
[deleted] 10y ago
Most women IRL don't even know what "misogynist" means and they think that "feminism" is just having the right to vote and the right to work.
The only people who sound off on the soap box about all that feminist rape culture bullshit are damaged, bitter, and mentally ill women. A lot of them may be closet lesbians or some other type of "queer" (I feel like there's a new "gender" every day for the LGBTQLMNOPQRST+ community).
I don't think there's anything wrong with being gay or trans; I really couldn't care less.. But I do think there's something wrong if you want some special treatment by society over it where everything they don't agree with is as oppressive as the African slave trade or the holocaust.
I'm friends with some douchebag on FB who's a straight male and acts like this.. It's fucking sickening. Lately I'm starting to realize why a lot of the ancient laws of civilization viewed homosexuality as an "abomination"; not all the time, but it generally turns the masses weak willed and full of excuses-LIKE WOMEN.
AcrossHallowedGround 10y ago
That stung a bit. But your not exactly wrong. The number of feminized men I have to weed through is gross. Although I don't believe that it's 'homosexuality' that's causing it. It's just a permutation of feminism, which spreads through the LGBT comunity like you said because feminism allies itself with them overtly. There's some other effect I couldn't quite describe, so I made a visualization: http://puu.sh/jycpO/7eaaf4d630.png
DrXaos 10y ago
| Lately I'm starting to realize why a lot of the ancient laws of civilization viewed homosexuality as an "abomination"; not all the time, but it generally turns the masses weak willed and full of excuses-LIKE WOMEN.
I don't see this. Most male homosexuals are pretty non-bullshit oriented and think like men, other than who they want to screw.
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Yeah a lot of gay men are for the most part just as level headed as straight men.. But you know the more "femmy" gay guys who act like a character from the movie "Mean Girls"? That's where I was going with that..
Although those behaviors were probably less common in ancient times because the socialization process was a lot different. Women were a lot tougher too. Homosexuality was pretty common amongst Spartans. I don't hate gay people or think their lifestyles are wrong by any means.. Just a thought.
IronMeltsinmyHands 10y ago
I've always said, sexism doesn't always equal bigotry. It's this whole seeing sexism like racism that fucks you over.
You need a little sexism in your life. No matter who you are, when shit gets tough, like your backs against the wall bad, women will always tell you to man up.
And if they act on their own, they will hate you for not being the support they wanted you to be.
Treat women like women, and men like men. Nothing remotely hateful about it.
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MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
Agreed. Fuck the white knights. (not literally)
AcrossHallowedGround 10y ago
Especially not literally. I dated a guy for a few months (I'm a dude) that ended up being a mangina. It was so off-putting. I was physically disgusted.
If you don't have tits you better be relatively masculine. If not, I'd rather just have a woman.
It's pretty interesting to me that some of the socio-sexual "tactics/rules" apply even in a gay relationship. When he started showing that stuff, I stopped giving a fuck, and he just got more invested. The more invested he got, the more he vied for my attention the less attractive he got. If I'm that much better than you, why am I with you? (Female mindset or no?)
Just goes to show you, having your own skills, hobbies, passions, and being independent makes you attractive to pretty much anyone, male or female. If you don't you're just another sheep in the herd.
ErasmusOrgasmus 10y ago
Honest question, do you feel like some of the female socio-sexual characteristics are present in you and/or other gay or bisexual men? Like hypergamy for example, indicated by the above quote. I've often wondered if this is the case given how a significant number of gay men seem to display other typically-female characteristics such as high voice, feminine gait and body language, more interested in fashion and other female dominated interests etc.
I don't know any gay men well enough to ask such questions and even if I did I suspect they'd think I was trying to insult them somehow.
AcrossHallowedGround 10y ago
I'm not sure I've met enough gay/bisexual men to answer that confidently. For me (bi) at least, there are some situations where that does come into play, but for the most part I am pretty masculine. I like cars, guns, I work out, programming, wood/metalworking, prototyping.
I do chuckle on occasion when I find myself 'feeling sexy' or wishing I could pull off those pseudo-cowboy boots that girls wear. But maybe that's shit other guys just suppress because it's "too gay" or whatever. The fuck do I know. I'm far from normal.
ErasmusOrgasmus 10y ago
Interesting, thanks for the answer. I can't relate to the cowboy boots thing but I don't see anything gay about feeling sexy (except maybe wording it like that). I think most average men have times where they feel sexy, they just think of it more in terms of feeling like a boss than feeling sexy, albeit that that is sexy to women. Like if I walk off the pitch knowing I've had a great game or if I am gaming a girl and it's going ridiculously well I feel sexy.
AcrossHallowedGround 10y ago
It's kind of hard to explain. It's like being physically desirable, kind of diminutive/submissive. It's a different feeling with guys vs girls.
I totally get what you mean with the 'feeling boss' thing.
look_good 10y ago
SJWs treat men and women different too except they do it by putting the pussy on a pedestal.
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Lol. No matter what you do, feminists can frame it as "sexist". Don't let it get to your heads. The spin, the doublespeak, it's almost orwellian. The truth is their enemy, remember that. The longer they can obfuscate the truth, the more power they have over society.
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I think there is nothing wrong with treating both sexes the same, as long as you are a masculine guy with healthy male friends. Think about it, as long as you:
Don't put her on a pedestal
Don't give her special treatment/allowances
Tell her no
Tease/make fun of her
If you're a guy that knows how to have healthy masculine relationships with other men but has been conditioned to be the gentleman or white knight towards women your whole life, you can easily start treating women the same as your guy friends and have decent success.
If you're a feminine guy that is far too much of a push over in your male relationships, obviously treating men and women the same won't work. A good way to tell if you're this type of guy is that you probably have more girl friends than male friends and "just relate easier to girls". Men despise weak men, if you act like this most people won't want to be good friends with you.
Ultimately I realize that men and women are not the same and should not be treated the same, but if you're a fairly healthily masculine male, you can kind of cheat the system by treating her the same as men.
In regards to defining what's sexist, people throw around the word so often now for the most retarded reasons that I don't even try to keep up with a definition of what these psychos think sexism is.