For natural selection to exist, there must be a system for weeding out poor genetics. Predatation, inter-group conflict, and environmental dangers are all examples of ways that the weak have been removed from the gene pool. Above these examples though, is one system by which all species ensure that the fittest genes are passed on, and that is mate choice.
The desire to have sex with mutliple women is engrained in men. Your body wants to make as many little yous as possible. Since a woman can only make one at a time, your best chance of guaranteeing the survival of your offspring is to impregnate as many women as you can. This is not an alpha trait, this is a male trait. In order for natural selection to take place though, the fittest males must be the ones capable of doing so.
Enter hypergamy. Since the number of men a woman is capable of reproducing with is limited, women must have higher standards in mate choice in order to ensure the best chances of survival for their offspring. This leads into attraction triggers.
To paraphrase Athol Kay, everything that is considered sexy (aside from fetishes) has implications of increased ability to make or raise babies. For men, these are mostly related to physical attributes of women. Hips, tits, youth, weight. These are all indications of fertility and nurturing ability. Low partner count is another example. It indicates an increased likelihood that any baby she has is yours. For women, it's more complicated.
You've probably seen the acronym LMS thrown around. Looks, Money, Status. These three things make up the foundation of a man's sexual value. Your looks are an indication of physical fitness and health, or an indication of the likely fitness and health of your offspring. Money and social status relate to your ability to provide safety and provisioning for a family. Most things that women are attracted to fall into one of these three categories.
It is a red pill axiom that sexual attraction is not negotiable. No matter how much time fat ugly post-wall women spend tring to convince the world that they are sexy, men won't find them attractive. No matter how hard Bobby Beta tries to convince his oneitis that his devotion to her would make him a great lay, she won't find him attractive. The things that attract us are out of our control.
The problem is that men are polarized in a way that for one man to be everything a woman wants at all times is near impossible. The traits that make a man attractive sexually (indications of passing on good genetics) are often the opposite of traits that women find comfort and security in (indications of provisioning). Alpha fucks, beta bucks isn't some evil conspiracy to keep men in their place. Bobby Beta has his purpose.
Briffault's Law tells us that where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place. If all a man has to offer is good genetics to pass on, that's all he is good for. After a while the woman suddenly 'decides' that he became a jerk and she needs someone to "treat her right." Now it's Bobby Beta's time to shine. A few blowjobs to lock him down and all that's required to maintain his provisioning is twice a month duty sex. What a great deal!
From an evolutionary perspective, these are all great things. But harems and cuckoldry aren't good for society. If 80% of men aren't getting laid, 80% of men have no motivation to function as positive members of society. So monogomy was introduced to the world as a means of controlling mate choice and ensuring that men have a reason to build things. And society thrived. We reached an age of 'enlightenment' and no longer have need of the behaviors that got our species to where it is. Women don't need to be attracted to muscles anymore, since a weak man's children have a great chance of survival. Has this enlightenment made women unattracted to muscular men? Fuck no. Sexual attraction is not negotiable. Men don't need to find breasts attractive anymore, you can feed babies straight from a can. This knowledge doesn't make us any less attracted to the sight of a great set of tits.
When we say that sexual strategy is amoral, this is what we are referring to. It's not right or wrong, it just is.

HAMMURABl 11y ago
While this is all true, the same holds for men:
Men have evolutionary evolved to prefer the most fertile women. since there is no direct sign of whether a woman is fertile or not, men who had an preference for proxy attributes which indicated fertility (youth, smooth skin, etc.) had an evolutionary advantage over those who did not. that is the reason you today are here - because your ancestors like women between 16 and 25 rather than between 35 and 45.
now, modern technology can still mitigate the effect of aging on fertility a bit - but that doesn't mean men today will find these women any iota more appealing.
just take this away: muscles in men is to women as youth in women is to men. thus the mantra: go lifting.
bitches_be_crazy86 11y ago
nope you can't really mitigate effects of aging on fertility. Risk of down syndrome and other shit like that increases exponentially with age. Aging = fucked up DNA, there's no way around it really and I'd say that the effect is even worse these days because of pollution, food additives etc.
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mryddlin 11y ago
....that might also have been a life expectancy issue, people only started living well past that age just recently.
Long life spans is also part of the current equation on why the SMP has changed so much, the stability that monogomy brought when life spans were short became an instability factor.
People can only stay together for so long before they really start to hate each other, soul mates is bullshit. That is just two people with very high compatibility.
bluedrygrass 11y ago
Not really, female fertility peaks very early and starts decreasing very soon, roughly in the age span listed. Many women are practically sterile by age 30.
mryddlin 11y ago
Thats retarded, got any type of citation for that?
Life spans past 40+ are brand new on the historical timelines, its literally the last two generations, starting with the boomers.
You HAD to have children early until recently otherwise you were fucking dead shortly afterwards, plus lack of medical.
We are absolutely in new territory as a species, we've never had life spans , while being physically fit and healthy, ever in our history.
..and you don't think it matters, you are wrong.
Its changing more than just the SMP. Wait for the coming economic collapse when that generation goes looking for long term care.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html
Fertility by nation, notice its the undeveloped nations that ate breeding like mad and at young ages...it's because they have to. Most are dead by 40...
Nation gets developed you don't have to anymore but all of that is new in history.
Most of history it's been like those countries at the top of that list, no choice in the matter.
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You don't need any citations to know that women only have around 100,000 eggs.
mryddlin 11y ago
Obviously you do, that's actually been debunked too.
The truth is Its unhealthy for the baby and mother to have them later in life.
It increases the likely hood of the kid having genetic defects, its also hard on the body and a woman will bounce back physically faster at a younger age.
What we really need is for couples to be able to support 4-5 kids that want to have them and be successful doing it. Economically having more than 1-2 will kill your finances.
NeoreactionSafe 11y ago
You might be a bit behind the Red Pill curve.
I think we've established that Beta Providers are beginning to decline.
Marriage rates are down. Men are more likely MGTOW these days. Men are less interesting in college and then working in difficult high paying stressful jobs.
This idea that the post-Wall slut will easily find a Beta Provider is not really valid today.
The most common phrase for these woman is:
"Where have all the good (Beta Provider) men gone?"
Hypergamy is being "used up" in the Cock Carousel and after the Wall these women are getting nothing.
If (rampant) Hypergamy was such a good idea you would see more success rather than this piling up of failure. And you have to expect these problems to get much worse in the coming years.
csehszlovakze 11y ago
Thank that to birth control and other inventions that made traditional women obsolete (e.g. washing machine). Sandman made an interesting video about this on youtube, you should look it up (my internet is barely functioning ATM). Birth control is almost sole responsible for the whole phenomenon, as it took away the consequences from slutting around. Hypergamy works when you don't fuck with it artificially.
NeoreactionSafe 11y ago
Raising children is about a lot more than household chores.
90% is just being there to guide them. If a woman has five children then it's a full time job just keeping track of them.
Three children is the minimum required to actually be fertility positive because it takes 2.13 to break even.
Two children is actually fertility negative.
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NeoreactionSafe 11y ago
Me too. I was making good money at one point and realized I didn't want to lose my assets to one of these post-Wall types.
More and more of us are deciding "a fool and his money are soon parted" and deciding not to play the fool. (Beta)
4benny2lava0 11y ago
This makes a lot of sense, in the flip side not many men make it to the top after college. Even after that not all are alpha. When you make that much what use to you have for women? All of her value is in her vagina and you can always buy one if you can't attract one.
mryddlin 11y ago
I kind of want to argue the top of what? It just ain't what it used to be in more ways than the SMP. Things are fucked up all over, systems that worked well before haven't scaled up as well.
The opportunities are only now starting to open up a new wave of innovation, which will push the work/life dynamic even more.
I think part of the issue is that we at in new territory when it comes to life spans, the boomers should have kicked off (ie wealth transfer and upward growth options) but haven't.
We also have an economic situation that is about to pop like a motherfucker, nothing major is going going o Chang e until that happens.
MGTOW isnt a bad thing in itself and I think we can agree here that the marginalization and demonization of male value is more the problem.
People can find new ways of living, loving and being successful at it. If anything TRP is a framework on how yo do just that and maintain your own sense of wellness.
It's the little things that count, just start lifting and all that ;)
4benny2lava0 11y ago
Thats true. There is no place for women in my frame work. Until she gets an education, a job and can match me financially, she has nothing relevant to my interests. There are no free rides on the lava train. I just don't see the value in them.
MattyAnon Admin 11y ago
The problem I have with hypergamy is the fucking lies about it. That it sill applies during marriage (despite promises to the contrary). The sell (I've grown up, I'm not a slut anymore, I want your lovely sexy betabux I do I do I do!).
Female sexual strategy is maximised by lying about it. Pretending she is "of value" and "borderline virgin" (the reality is she's able to play the neo-virgin card because she's not attracted to you).
I have no problem with women as I thought they were, nor women as they are. But girls: stop fucking maximising your own social position at our expense by lying to us. We see through it all now, and we do not respect your lying asses for it.
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This is why I don't have a problem with men cheating.or "cheating".the female strategy is inherently dishonest and deceptive.its one sided to call a man weak for cheating because we have a masculine sexual strategy to adhere to.to successfully propagate our genes we have to diversify our portfolio.
freethinker34 11y ago
Men lie too. How many men lie to their wives while they are sleeping with mistresses? Men lie about their height, about their income, etc... Let's not paint women as the bad guys, we are all human both male and female and do immoral things as part of sexual strategy.
MattyAnon Admin 11y ago
Some men lie. Most women lie.
DoNotEatTheTail 11y ago
Being lied to is annoying. Part of swallowing the pill for me was realizing how much women do and even MUST lie in order to gain social position. But you don't determine their actions. You can be upset about the sell as much as you want, but ultimately it is YOUR job to determine whether or not you are buying.
MattyAnon Admin 11y ago
And our job to expose those lies for what they are. Lying has benefited them for generations. It's time for the pendulum to swing back in our favour.
ReddishBlack 11y ago
Violence and rape were also evolutionary advantageous relics from our past that we have moved beyond for the sake of a better society
Women have gained true equality: they have been given the reigns over power and are showing themselves to be capable of the atrocious behavior that accompanies unchecked power
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I found this part rather interesting IRL. No matter how much they "hate jocks". No matter how little interest they have in physical activity, or muscular people in general. Every girl I've known, family included, has leaped at the chance to have a romp in the sack with an extremely fit guy when approached. Literal animal instincts come out of the wood work and say take me.
I understand it wholeheartedly though. Because as you said about tits, while I generally don't care if the girl has them or not, when they do have a solid pair it is like all stations are in full alert.
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Don't know how many girls I've seen say "I hate muscles" and the next day bang chad.
[deleted] 11y ago
When a girl says she doesnt like muscles, she means she doesnt think she is hot enough to fuck one. Girls are insecure as fuck, and get bothered by men that are more attractive then them. Watch what they do, not what they say.
mryddlin 11y ago
This is also why Twilight and 50 shades of Greg exploded.
Throw in the bad boy image (alpha fuck) and transition him to an alpha provider with a minor beta conditioning(ie comfort test that never fails), boom license to print money.
O3EAN 11y ago
The seductive tale of Greg the office worker, cubicle troll by day, Netflix slave by night. Nothing makes a woman wetter than an undisciplined beta, this is sure to sell!
CopperFox3c Senior Endorsed 11y ago
I think it's important to note that while we aren't feminists (equal outcomes), we aren't eugenics folks either . TRP are equal opportunists.
100% of men should have the opportunity to reproduce. But only a portion of them will (i.e. NOT equal outcomes). Who reproduces is decided via competition. It shouldn't be pre-determined (i.e. NOT eugenics). This is why TRP focuses on self-improvement and self-mastery. It's part of the bigger picture. It's good for the individual, it's good for society. You have to earn it.
The problem arises when we are sold a bunch of misguided crap about "just being yourself" and putting shit on a pedestal. We are in a competition but being told we're not. And that allows the competition to be rigged, and for us to be manipulated. You don't show up to swordfight with a wiffle bat. But if they told you all your life it was a wiffle ball game ...
In short, while sexual strategy is amoral, the feminist and SJW manipulation of the rules of the game is, arguably, immoral. Anger is an understandable first reaction, but really the goal is to learn the real rules of the game. Play or be played.
freethinker34 11y ago
In a way this is still a good thing. Weak minded men will continue making the same mistakes whereas intelligent men will learn and adapt.
Adaptation is the single most important trait an organism can have to be successful in life. Nature is going to weed out of the gene pool of hardcore red pill MGTOW's and also hardcore low SMV beta blue pills who never get laid.
Daily_Dosage_3 11y ago
If one wishes to understand the elements in this post with a view toward evolutionary psychology, then I'd recommend several trips to the local zoo to watch primates. And I'd definitely recommend taking classes in anthropology or reading works thereof. Nearly all of what we have inherited regarding mate selection can be seen on full display in primates.
Just look read up on baboons, orangutans and mate guarding. Also, read up on our closest living relative--the bonobos, and how two females will rub their clits together which is considered payment for sharing food together (think 'tingles').
Iupvoteforknowledge 11y ago
While true hypergamy used to have some repercussions. Thanks to feminism and society in general now hypergamy and riding the CC have no consequences. Hypergamy is out of control and is destroying the nuclear family. This is why old societies reined their women in. They knew they couldn't be trusted.
e298f622 11y ago
I really dont mind hypergamy. Hypergamy is what seperates the men from the boys. Without hypergamy men are reduced competing on impulsive superficial platforms, the same as a woman. Men are defined by what they do, thusly they are admired for the same. Hypergamy is the mechanism which propels that.
bluedrygrass 11y ago
"From an evolutionary perspective, these are all great things. But harems and cuckoldry aren't good for society. If 80% of men aren't getting laid, 80% of men have no motivation to function as positive members of society. So monogomy was introduced to the world as a means of controlling mate choice and ensuring that men have a reason to build things. And society thrived."
This theory don't hold up. All the harem-based species have huge disproportion betweeen the number of males and females at birth. Females are obviously much more numerous.
While in the human species, males and female are born at almost the same number.
Also, are you saying that male infidelity and propension to fuck everything that walks is a good thing, too?
[deleted] 11y ago
Actually it is a conspiracy by definition because it is very much hidden and kept from public awareness intentionally. At least in western society.
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cariboo_j 11y ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy
Just because something occurs in nature, doesn't mean it's ethical.