Here's an interesting read I came across today at boingboing:
http://boingboing.net/2015/01/28/a-beginners-guide-to-the-red.html
Apparently we are a group of disaffected conspiracy theorists that represent the new tech savvy fascists movement. And we hate women and minorities, which I guess would logically follow the fascism. Read for yourself, but the thing I found curious and rather telling here is that no valid arguments concerning our commitment to self sacrifice, discipline, our assessment of status and how it relates to perceived value, really any of the core positions we take, are presented. It seems like a long rant against a preconceived stereotype instead of a critique of our values. I am curious to hear the opinions of others.

nzgs 11y ago
The left has always used this kind of language to shut down dissent, when it better describes their own views; fascist, hateful, ignorant, controlling.
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I'm glad you mentioned self sacrifice.
Improving yourself takes work. You don't get to do whatever you want to do at any particular time. When the work gets unpleasant, you can't just quit and do something easier. You have to follow through because you want the end goal more than you want the quick relief of quitting.
PBRistasty 11y ago
Women do this kind of shit all the time. Dont like something but dont have a valid argument against it? Just make some wild claims and rely on emotion from the herd to follow thru for you.
Gets tiresome after a while...
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Who's the target for this article? Moms? Who reads Boing Boing and can't google something?
markcabal 11y ago
Hipster SJW techies with limited life experience. They, on average, have less socially conventional problems (money issues, challenges of raising kids, mindnumbing/physically demanding jobs) and need a bogeyman to rail against to give their comfortable lives meaning.
niczar 11y ago
I used to read it everyday untila few years ago. Lots of cool stuff, and they were pro-free speech. But then they started being more and more sjw, turning against other liberals now that they couldn't blame Bush, I guess.
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Dev_on 11y ago
I don't find that to be the case at all.
In fact, I normally have a huge problem with the american libertarians and right wing types in here. WE disagree on things at a fundamental level.
Also, canot argue about the racism bit. 99% of the time it's pretty cool in here, but once in a while, you'll see a lot of angry white guys getting pissed over black cock, or asian guys calling race traitors out for dating white men solely. Hell, even the way you separate black people into with your deceptively neutral language just seeks to enforce the idea of a black man as separate from TRP.
black people are here, but they are only 13% of the population, and don't advertise it. You know how many tall, ripped black guy with outcome independance there are? About the same amount of tall, ripped white guys with outcome independance.
The one big thing you and I will never agree on, is the biblical family unit as a good thing. It worked great back when everyone lived in the desert, 90% of the population were farmers, and the resources available to a population were largely stagnant, so we needed a war every now and again to thin out the herd, and accumulate any wealth as the survivors. Populations were largely stable, and faithful wives, dislike of homosexuality made sense, it was all about a sustainable population.
Luckily, the days of scarcity are over. we are in a stage of abundance. Socially, we don't have a rigid system to keep the population in check. A cheating wife doesn't end up causing a 200 year blood feud between families, and 1% of people are able to feed everyone else.
It's abundance mentality for the world, and antiquated ideas of the family unit aren't needed. It's why hypergamy exists today, because you don't need them in order to survive and thrive today. Men just never got the memo... hence red pill
SquareScrewdriver 11y ago
black people are the Achilles heel of trp. Every single time you guys assume that we aren't here. This is where the racism charges come from. That and the human bio diversity, dark enlightenment and use of terms like NAMs. It gets old. We are people too. We range the spectrum from shaft to urkle. You feed them with your lack of knowledge and I feed them by posting a reply. Let's not feed them again.
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theozoph 11y ago
Black red pillers like Obsidian are well-known by Red Pill old-timers, but reddit is very white, and a lot of people here are newbies. So this ignorance might be a local phenomenon, or just you being an uninformed n00b.
Human bio-diversity : HBD isn't the new racial suprematism, just the realization that evolution doesn't stop at the human doorstep. Whether or not Asians are more intelligent than whites who are more intelligent than blacks on average, that doesn't say shit about you, me or the next redditor. The inter-ethnic variation is about 10-15 IQ points, while intra-ethnic variation is about 80. Thomas Sowell or Neil DeGrasse Tyson will always be more intelligent than Bubba the redneck truck driver, whether "The Bell Curve" is factual or not. You're not your race, you're you.
Dark Enlightenment : basically the realization that Progressivism is the new Puritanism, and that representative democracy is deeply perverted system that destroys our cultural heritage. How this leads to racism, I can't fathom.
NAM : I have yet to see this used in TRP, and had to google Urban Dictionary to understand it.
I think you focus on minority opinions out of racial sensitivity, but it doesn't reflect the experience of the diversity of people that participate in TRP. Not to say I've never seen racism on this board, but honestly it's fairly mild compared to /pol/, for example, or even the rest of reddit.
Finally, our "lack of knowledge" about the black experience is a thinly veiled version of "white privilege", "microagressions" and other tropes of SJW thinking. Yeah, we white redpillers don't know and can't know what it's like to be you, big fucking whoop. TRP teaches that whatever your shortcomings or perceived disadvantages, being a man means rising above them and not putting their burden on others. Being a whiny minority who blames racism for everything wrong in his life, and everyone but himself isn't that.
Not being "racially sensitive" isn't the Achilles' heel of TRP, because we couldn't give less of a fuck about what a bunch of shitlibs think about us, or what our "image" is. If you can't think for yourself or make your own damn opinion, then you're a sheep who shouldn't be here. Join the BP hordes and fuck off.
This is TRP, only blasphemies are uttered here.
Dev_on 11y ago
he's not talking about racially sensitive... thats about the feels, and we all agree theres no place for it here. He's arguing for racial ackgnowledgement.
Thinking every black man is a 6'5" rapper/athelete with gold chains, and white women hanging off them is the problem. That and the resentment that it breeds.
Reminds me of the old uncle saying stupid things on thanksgiving. Yeah, fried food, those people like that. That and welfare
theozoph 11y ago
I had no idea so many people here were absolute morons. /s
Maybe it's the perception that people here would think that, which breeds resentment. "Everybody thinks I have it easy" is just a variation on the problem I was outlining.
Who gives a shit what racist people think? They won't hire you? Why would you want to work for them? They don't like you going out with their daughter? Rail her anyway and make her tell you how "Daddy wouldn't like that." Police treat you unfairly? Life is unfair, deal with it.
Nothing in your comment detracts from what I've already said.
Dev_on 11y ago
You'll have to ask an American for a better perspective, but I believe the idea want that the one guys a racist and you don't wasn't to work for him, it's that a large enough group are either outwardly hostile, or subtly... Its not that one guy dropping n bombs, its the 5 interviews in a row where it's assumed you're only there because of affirmative action, or that your used to be a thug, or finally can have revenge for that black guy your wife cheated in you with.
It's not purposeful, and it would be better if it was, because then people ackgnowledge the problem. It's just not even recognizing the bias. Just like when femenists assume everyone's equal, they aren't. In this case two his growing up in the same province and different skin are thought of as more different than two white guys from different continents.
Tbh, one guy assumes I'm an immigrant and don't speak English is annoying... But constantly having to verify I'm a Canadian and native English speaker takes it's toll, especially when I see the hate immigrants get here, you just know at some point you get it too, just always in private... So you have to second guess every bad interaction. Was that me, or Part of this problem? How many of your Co workers assume affirmative action? Often times you actually have to go above and beyond what is expected if anyone else. Otherwise the guy doing bare minimum gets a pass, but you're just riding on white guilt.
It's why you see black guys in the States as super human, Obama is a genius, Kayne is a genius in music. Athletes are just storey human, because above average isn't good enough.
Forgive the rant, and imsay sure others can or it more eloquently, but is hard to Pierce the skull of petiole how or works now. Dying get me wrong, it's made me a perfectionist, and I've got no tolerance for mistakes because of it, but when someone tells me it doesn't exist it ruffles the feathers.
And 3rd wave femenism makes it sound like a bunch of victim whiners, which isn't helping things
theozoph 11y ago
Well, I'm from France, I work in IT, and 2 out of 3 guys I work along with are African immigrants or have parents hailing from there. And France is about as racist as the US. They're not superhuman, believe me, but some are quite smart. Apparently that's enough to get them hired (maybe they're low priced, though, I can't exactly ask them how much they earn).
Being a minority is a disadvantage, I'm not denying that. But then what? Roll over and die? Just like the MRA's insistence on socially engineering compassion for men in the population (as if that could work!), you will never get rid of ingrained in-group preference. And I agree that practicing "sensitivity" just makes you guys paranoid about why some shit doesn't work out for you : "Was it me? Was it my skin?" Probably better to accept we're all racists, and that relationships are built in spite of that, and not because of its absence.
My two best friends are French Arabs, but we're all aware that if shit goes South here (as you know it well could, if you follow the news), we'll shake hands one last time, hope we'll never cross paths on the battlefield, and go back to our own people. You can't beat reality.
I don't have a ready answer to your problem, except to accept this state of affairs, as you've accepted the bitterness of the other red pills.
No one said it would be easy.
Dev_on 11y ago
Don't get me wrong. C'est pas de grève. Je préfère recognition seulement. Je sais que je doit être le milieux, et il est des bonne situation pour moi.
It just ruffles me to see idiots here assume it doesn't exist... Forgive the French also, as I'm picking up bad québécois. For me it's just a team, but for everyone else, it's every bias against Evey brown country they've ever known, and dumping it on guys like me, until you explain that you're just a west coast Canadian, with probably a longer family history in the country then they have
Killabot 11y ago
According to this article gamergaters all generally believe they are red pill. I don't think I've ever heard someone who supports #gamergate (outside of those within /r/trp) who would seriously describe themselves as red pill.
Dev_on 11y ago
I don't have a name for it, but it's generally a situation of inverse proportion.
the amountof alpha tendancies of any man is inversely proportional to how often he writes how RP he is on the internet
markcabal 11y ago
That idiot who wrote this dreck also considers guilt by association legitimate: https://storify.com/a_man_in_black/guilty-by-association .
MattyAnon Admin 11y ago
This article isn't about Reddit Red Pill. Not sure what it IS about.
Words that do not appear in the article:
RPenetrate 11y ago
The article is just too absurd to warrant any serious discussion. The part about Redpillers loving get-rich-quick schemes and falling victim to ponzi schemes had me in fits of laughter.
whatcanredditdo 11y ago
I got banned on gamerghazi for commenting on this.
markcabal 11y ago
They don't like their religion questioned over there.
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markcabal 11y ago
Very cool that your feminist friends came to see third wave feminism for what it is. The heavy handedness of feminists in dealing with dissenters is a great recruiting tool for anti-feminism.
JayViceroy 11y ago
Sounds like so many men in this sub talking about feminism. Feminism is about equal rights for women. Feminists are about giving women the benefits and baring none of the responsibility in society. Let's end the women hate fellas.
Dev_on 11y ago
If you'd read the sidebar, you'd know you ignore what people say, and watch what they do.
Those lines are useless to discuss, since they are detached from whats going on anyways
edwardhwhite 11y ago
We cannot be destroyed, because those who oppose us desire us. They are at war with themselves, not us.
JustACrosshair_ 11y ago
To be honest, I don't care at this point if all of trp and any redpill related anything got fucking banned from the internet somehow. I've read and applied so much and have come so far in the past year with all this. They can denounce it and get angry and try to silence this all they want, but the ideas are in me and a lot of others here and it is spreading, for better or worse, in reaction to the last decade or so of needless hyperfemenism bullshit.
You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea.
These ideas are slowly going to start permeating mainstream scope once again and the ones that have truly embraced it will understand the benefits they have received whether society views the idea as acceptable or not.
Titan5000 11y ago
Doesn't that pose as a threat down the road though? Widespread adoption of RP tenets will lead to a growing proportion of AF in the community. We are novelty now among women because we are unique to the status quo (betas). If 80% of men are AF, then doesn't that make it harder for all of us?
In otherwords, when everyone's super...no one is.
Dev_on 11y ago
being a real man was never a novelty. It's just now that people aren't taught it from strong fathers and role models that we need it written down.
Think of it like rediscovery
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To be fair, a ideology is only as strong as its weakest link, and MRAs- the real reason TRP is hated- are weak af.
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There really isn't any difference in the way TRP and MRA view society as it exists today. We both generally believe the same things, i.e., feminism is destroying society, marriage is dead, today's women aren't chaste or honorable, etc.
The difference comes in how we deal with it. TRP has recognized these problems and social changes, and we seek to maximize our enjoyment of it, and lead a life of self betterment in spite of those challenges. We don't seek to undo what feminism and the sexual revolution has done; we seek to beat them at their own game at it.
MRA, however, seems to just want to sit in the corner and whine about it. Rather than adapt themselves, they try to adapt the feminists to their will, which is a foolish endeavor indeed. They want to try to change the minds of the feminists. They fail to recognize that the women and mangina SJWs that they are trying to reason with are not reasonable people.
GillWillPill 11y ago
Your comment got me thinking:
TRP - "Be the change you that you want to see"
Then could the MRA be the " Top/Down" approach to solving large problems? Honest question as I haven't really researched MRAs throughly.
Dev_on 11y ago
yup. 'Is' and 'should' are the difference between being a happy realist, and a sad complaining shell of a man
Kite23 11y ago
As a minority I think its dumb as fuck for this version of red to call out minorities for hate.
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These articles are always pure shit, and there is no reason to read them, or waste the space in your brain trying to figure them out. It's simply pure delusion. Everybody already knows we are all simply evil partriarchal shitlords who eat babies for breakfast and our hobbies are reading Mein Kampf, racism, and beating women. /s
Edit: better add the /s just in case nobody gets it....
markcabal 11y ago
These articles may in fact act as an advertisement. Folks reading about how red pillers are the ultimate evil may come here and find an unanticipated level of reasonableness.
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niczar 11y ago
Yeah I've seen numerous accusations of racism thrown at TRP but I can't say I've seen much if any actual racism. There is much less than in many other subs at the very least.
systemshock869 11y ago
Anyone who speaks frankly on a topic involving a different race than his/her own is going to be called a racist, and that's what we do here. Speak frankly. Say something about 'black people' or use the word 'black' as an adjective in a supermarket where mostly black people go and you'll get instant hostility. You could have said something positive but all they heard was RACE! It's our fucked up PC-marxist society naturally homogenizing itself. Enjoy the decline.
trpalternate 11y ago
You would say that you [insert derogatory term for your racial group here]
Mire_Lurker 11y ago
Reminder to not give these people pageviews and just to take screen captures.
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markcabal 11y ago
SJWs are concerned about impact, not truth, and right now the SJW-infested media is a bit drunk on its own power and happy to publish sloppy material like this.
Dev_on 11y ago
I would actually like if TRP talked more about professional success, and less about getting laid.
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