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Except that it's not deregulated for everyone. Divorce laws and family court still exist, meaning that sex within marriage is regulated for men; all else is deregulated for women.
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ss_camaro 11y ago
Including prostitution and "common law" marriages. They literally have you by your balls.
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Only because we keep marrying them. It's still all on us to fix it.
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Yes it is on us to fix it. Hence either I go MGTOW or just keep spinning plates. There is no other option for us. Time to go spin a plate for tonight.
sinister_h 11y ago
women dont mind being part of an alphas harem when the other option is being shackled to a boring beta or pathetic omega. sadly this will not lead to a stabilization of the market anytime soon. old women would need to organize with disgruntled betas and this is highly unlikely in todays climate.
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Yes I know. Frankly I keep thinking about going MGTOW as I'm finding more enjoyment in wanking one off to blue pill memories then pounding a plate. Have a nice 21 year old coming over soon. So sad. She's blowing off her fiance to come over because I told her to. Man the world is fucked up beyond belief. When is this hapless beta going to figure out what's going on?! He's not even a man... Ugh.
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Picture sure is worth 1000 words. Good article.
I wonder though if it is already beginning to shift. Yeah thirsty AFC be thirsty AFC but the rate at which obesity and shitty, catty, bolshie attitudes are sweeping modern women coupled with AFC and somewhat enlightened brothers going MGTOW (checking out the game entirely) it wouldn't surprise me if we were beginning to swing back naturally; or at least slow the rate at which the gap is growing.
A brief mock up of what I mean.
http://imgur.com/l9X4DOw
GaiusScaevolus 11y ago
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draketton 11y ago
rok drew a sex graph, you drew a commitment graph
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Naturally. That's what women want from the sexual market place and sex is how they negotiate for it.
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It's not about the bottom having to go MGTOW although you look at the bulk data extracts from OKCupid and you'd see why they're justified in doing that. I know high value men checking out from it as well, pussy just ain't worth the hoops that girls want us to jump through and companionship is had with other men.
We just really need to stop marrying.
Bitches want to get married. We get married and sex dries up then we get divorce raped in court and pay alimony. There is no check or balance to hypergamy other than self improvement and learned game.
You earning $150,000 and being good looking won't ever stop her jumping on the tennis coaches dick because getting caught doesn't have any severe repercussions for her, just guilt that usually turns to anger and hostility.
If she learns that cheating or being emotionally unfaithful means she gets put on the fucking door step and the door shut behind her with no alimony and at least an equal footing of custody for the kids then the mental maths says stop looking at other men and build upon and take pride in your current relationship. Support and build your man rather than tearing him down.
Maybe then the single mothers, use of anti-depressants, Beta faggots and male suicide will improve.
ibuprofiend 11y ago
Oh yeah, I will never ever get married. The thing that scares me is it seems like even regular LTRs aren't worth it anymore either. Why should I invest my time, money, and emotions in a girl who's just going to hop on another dick as soon as I show any sort of weakness or she gets bored and "unhappy"? Feminism has destroyed pair bonding in general.
kingofpoplives 11y ago
I think the decision to never marry is a level of MGTOW.
The essence of MGTOW isn't swearing off women completely or becoming a voluntary celibate, it's eliminating the permanent female role from your present and future life plans.
MGTOW is the refusal to invest in women.
[deleted] 11y ago
Yeah, keep meeting otherwise potential girls that seem OK and then find out they're on Tinder.
Sexting and fucking randomers every week with everyone around them encouraging it. I sigh and discount them, not because I can't compete but as you say, why the fuck would anyone LTR a girl on Tinder?
We need to consider that for the first time ever 14 year olds in school have access to this kind of technology and whilst shouting "Save the kids" is a tired cliche, i'm really at a loss as to how to start on that issue.
Friend's sister is 15 and on tinder with all her friends "Just for a laugh" they say, but the validation machine starts, the free dinners and inevitably the sleeping around. Any query on this or oversight and you're labelled a controlling asshole/misogynist.
I hope that Red Pill Women start growing more and more as we commit less and less and start to get a grip on female sexuality and why currently it leaves women in a bad place (which is borne out in statistics that women have never had so much and yet been so miserable).
ibuprofiend 11y ago
I'm right there with you. It's terrible what's happening to our society and what people consider normal. Personally I think American culture is fucked. We're on a sinking ship.
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This is a good place for the gaiety and wit of Michel Houllebecq
magicalbird 11y ago
Sex is economics. Instead of money it's all about physical traits you possess. Many are controllable and others aren't.
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NeopolitanAfterglow 11y ago
The best way to imagine this confusing phenomenon is to simplify it.
Imagine a desert island with 2 men and 2 women. One of the men is alpha and the other is beta. One of the women is attractive and the other is unattractive. Both men would be satisfied with sex twice a week. Both women would be satisfied with sex once a week. The alpha has sex with both women once a week, and the beta never has sex.
In this scenario, everyone is getting exactly what they want except the beta male. Woman are having just as much sex as men. However, men have more variance in both the amount of sexual partners and the amount of sex.
Now stretch this to billions of people and de-exaggerate the numbers a little, and you have your answer.
Even though men and women have equal amounts of sex, men actually demand more sex, creating a shortage for men and a surplus for women. This results in more extreme results for men (some men get all the sex they want; others get nothing) whereas women mostly get as much sex as they want.
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dbabbitt 11y ago
How can you determine what kind of person one is from their economic analysis?
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dbabbitt 11y ago
I can tell you are rejecting NeopolitanAfterglows (and now my) thinking out of feelings of superiority, but I can't tell what kind of thinking you consider superior. It's nice to know we can be so entertaining while revealing so little of ourselves.
NeopolitanAfterglow 11y ago
Fuck, now I'm curious what the original response was all about.
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busior 11y ago
SLut shaming ? seriously I don't shame sluts for being my sluts. It's only if they choose not to be my sluts that I shame them
bam2_89 11y ago
Slut-shaming is almost exclusively done by women.
LeGrandDiableBlanc 11y ago
I have thought about the current sexual market like this for a long time. Any market that is completely deregulated will end up with, at best, an 80/20 distribution of market goods. This can be great for the advantaged and lucky, but is usually really bad for everyone else.
It's really ironic that ultra left wing social justice warriors aren't more readily aware of this in a sexual context, as they harp on this for literally every other market.
le_king_falcon 11y ago
Its not ironic. Its a classic tale of people being totally self serving.
Leaving the sexual marketplace like this allows for short term gain for almost any woman. Their followers just do as they are told to try and get pussy.
Whereas a truly deregulated market causes vast wealth inequality that benefits the 0.1% so its in their interest to try and spread the wealth with the understanding that they'd be getting more wealth personally.
oldredder 11y ago
No, that's only an initial state. Later on balancing out availability of travel & gene-pool quality will, after generations, re-stabilize so that lesser attractive women will select lesser attractive men for relationships & parenting.
Today we see the truly 100% regulated market benefit the 0.1% in food, oil, currency exchange, bonds & bank accounts - we see 0% of the market acting without regulation.
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oldredder 11y ago
Actually for the last 30 years standards of living have started to decrease everywhere. It's about to collapse, really, nothing left to prop it up. Energy to expensive vs return of use of it, available food land not expanding, yields not rising from fields yet population expanding exponentially.
LeGrandDiableBlanc 11y ago
I don't mean 'bad' in a moral sense. You surely cannot deny that deregulation of a market of any kind will benefit those on the best position to succeed in said market, and will have the opposite effect for those in positions that are not optimum for market conditions. This is neither good nor bad morally speaking. I believe that periods of market deregulation (and re-regulation eventually after) are inevitable.
You cannot deny that from the perspective that holds that stable, civiliized societies are preferable, creating a large group of 'losers' is counterproductive.
macguffin22 11y ago
This doesn't get "solved" until a couple decades from now when tissue engineering let's everybody look like a 10/10 for a price. Even then it'll morph into simply a have vs have - nots issue.
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artemiswasfowled 11y ago
Please tell me he is joking here, please please please tell me he is joking. If you are a male virgin past the age of 20, that shit is going to haunt you for life.
NeopolitanAfterglow 11y ago
WTF? Have you literally never met M:TG or WOW enthusiasts?
artemiswasfowled 11y ago
WTF is M:TG? I assuming WOW means world of warcraft.
I am just saying that it seems like the vast majority of guys have lost their virginity after the 1st year of college, at the very least.
NeopolitanAfterglow 11y ago
I lost mine at 23. Was more beta than Betamax. A lot can change in a few years.
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M:TG = Magic:The Gathering. It's a card game, so the people who play it at least meet one another in real life. It's mostly the same crowd as the warhammer 40k people. I knew an fairly unattractive girl at university who got a job in one of those game shops and almost had a mental breakdown because in their eyes she was a rare beauty and this clashed completely with how she was treated in all other arenas of her life.
Andress1 11y ago
Its very real.If you dont believe it check the bodybuilding misc page. Those are guys who are above average in looks and some of them are even kissles virgins.There are even handless virgins(they havent even held hands with a girl).
A very sad state of affairs...
I wonder how everything is gonna end up.There is a huge growing amount of forces that are pushing back the pussy cartel:MGTOWS,the porn industry,the new virtual reality industry(people are working on VR porn + a masturbation machine,there is a youtube video of this),real dolls,men who are going outseas to find a woman...etc
There is a huge possibility that women will lose most of their power over men in a very short amount of time.
artemiswasfowled 11y ago
LOL, most miscers don't actually lift, a lot of them don't even have avatars up.
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Read the rest of the survey. Women rated men more harshly, but look at their message distribution. They actually messaged average and below average looking men more often than the most attractive men.
For men it was the opposite. They were much more fair when rating women, but were very selective when it came you messaging women. 2/3 of the men messaged only the top 1/3 of women.
If you go by behavior instead of ratings, it's actually the exact opposite of what you'd expect.
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If you were to take a guess, what percentage of the male population are virgins in comparison to the percentage of female virgins?
Andress1 11y ago
Where i live (spain) i would say a lot of men in comparison to few women. According to surveys 39% of men said they had sex with prostitutes.And its no wonder because women are very picky here. There is a world map made by pickup artists about how easy it is to get laid in each country.Spain and Italy are the only countries marked as "hard" in the first world,along with argentina and the rest are all muslims countries.
If we dont count prostitutes i would say around 15-25% of males sub-30
It may sound high but nowadays a lot of virgins are just average guys,not outcasts like in the past.With the rise of internet porn and gamer lifestyle it is a very realistic number for me,and i am starting to think it may be too conservative...
EDIT:i just researched about the subject and one survey made by playboy in 2011 says 40% of adults 18-24 are still virgins
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Andress1 11y ago
https://www.google.es/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=easiness%20of%20girl%20by%20country
[deleted] 11y ago
Once these VR porn things are real I'm going full MGTOW. Not even going to bother spinning plates. Well maybe I'll spin them easy plates. I enjoy toying with these women and playing red pill ideas out on them.
Andress1 11y ago
Well i think i would never go fully MGTOW because talking to women improves my social skills.
Anyway i would rather try a sex doll before watching porn again(porn is an addiction like drugs and destroys your brain).
oldredder 11y ago
No it's not - but a sex doll will be! Because a sex doll will give REAL physical stimulation which over-rides purely-visual and purely-auditory by a long shot.
It's like watching porn is having 1 smoke but fucking a realistic sex doll is like smoking 10 rocks of crack. If it's made right, shaped right & lubed up? You'll never turn back. A bitch that feels real and doesn't mouth back?
We'll never see you outside the room it's kept in ever again.
Porn is NOTHING Like a drug addiction.
Not even close.
My experience: I watch porn sometimes to get off. I watch porn sometimes just because I'm bored. I put my desktop background to a 20-second rotation of bazillions of porn pictures. Literally always on and when windows are transparent, like reddit in firefox in KDE/Plasma, I can see the porn THROUGH the articles, even this reply I'm writing right now. I can watch porn and be bored of it.
I can get horny and get off by myself without porn. I can fuck 3 times a day.
But I've lived the other side, the drugs side too.
I've injected cocaine. Smoked crack. Injected morphine. Injected heroin. Smoked heroin. Snorted lines of coke. Know what? Porn isn't even 1/1000000000th of what those things are, those actual drugs.
You have no idea. Cocaine can give a feeling of self-fulfillment & "rightness in the world" like 1,000,000 orgasms (post-orgasm glow). Morphine can give a stimulating rush as enjoyable as 10 simultaneous orgasms.
Porn doesn't hold a candle to this.
Heroin is a little different: physically it's more like a warm blanket you wear from the inside while emotionally it's Instant Zero-Fucks-Given.
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oldredder 11y ago
Ease of access doesn't increase addictiveness. By all means a thing like facebook, porn, anything "available" might be taken just because it's available but that doesn't make it harmful and/or addictive.
You need to understand what "addicting" means. It's potentiating in networks of neurons to reinforce behaviour against your will and it's going to to require a lot of neurotransmitters to basically overload.
That's not what happens with porn.
I'm telling you I can watch a porn or read a book or just stare at the wall and the difference to me is almost nothing. Are you saying you can't just look at porn and be bored by it and just put it aside and go look at something else?
Andress1 11y ago
Porn is a drug bro. Why do you think everyone can get off to lingerie photos/softcore porn when they start but with time they cant do it anymore and need harder porn? Thats exactly like drug addictions because it deregulates dopamine.
oldredder 11y ago
porn is not a drug, bro.
No one's getting off to lingerie photos! I'm sure as hell not.
I know for a fact people don't just "stop getting off" and have to "move on the harder porn"
There is no harder porn! All porn is just porn. Equal.
Literally what you are describing never happens.
Dopamine can't be de-regulated. Dopamine is an intricate neurotransmitter used for various locations around the brain - not all the same reason ! Where in the brain changes the need, use of it, so in one case it must go up while simultaneously it must go down somewhere else.
No one has ever proven your claim.
To do so requires LIVE BRAIN SLICING. No electronic equipment exists to detect dopamine. None. Never been invented.
When drugs like prozac are designed the testing included slicing animals open, we're talking brain slices just thin enough to fit on a microscope, to directly measure the chemical residue of dopamine, norepinephrine, serotonin, etc., to figure out what happened.
In case you hadn't noticed since that will kill a human no one's ever done this with a human. What you are describing is made up nonsense.
And do you believe DEREGULATING dopamine IS DRUG ADDICTION? It is not. Do you know what drug addiction is? I've been addicted to drugs. I was addicted to morphine.
Does this "de-regulate my dopamine"?? Never. My endogenous opioids? Yes, but how matters:
there's a chemical deficit, my body produced less endogenous opioids, because of a surplus added externally, which was morphine & heroin. It's a direct matter input, adding a chemical.
With porn there is no such added chemical! This can't happen.
With morphine my opioid receptors were flushed with all this drug made just for them (chemical attaches to receptor, induces neural stimulation, is called an agonist). With porn there is no such effect.
With real drug addiction or anything like it there must be a real change in chemical balance and that requires adding chemicals. The body can't do this on its own.
It's crass and ignorant to compare BAD HABITS and BAD CHOICES with no chemical input, to DRUG ADDICTION which is billions of times more powerful than what you are describing.
WaterPotatoe 11y ago
Bullshit. Women desire sex as much as men. They just want it in a different context i.e. in an LTR from an alpha.
trpSenator 11y ago
If women desire sex as much as men, how come they aren't watching porn even remotely as much as men? I think the porn industry alone, existing how it does today, says more than enough about which gender wants to fuck more.
WaterPotatoe 11y ago
wanting sex and porn are not the same thing. Have you ever had a relationship with a women? Did she want sex less than you?
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I feel like im one of those guys. Above average looking, 6'3, study at one of the finest colleges in my country. I think i just lack the agressiveness. and im drunk as fuck right now.