Beta traits are directly tied to an excessive attachment to the mother.

MGTOW is the process of separating from the mother and becoming a man.

One cannot "grow up" until one separates from the mother and the corresponding needy emotions that are involved.

A man who never separated from his mother will be a beta in marriage.

• Neediness = Mother Attachment = Beta

It is important for there to be a strong father figure to encourage the kids to challenge their comfort zones and play more on the dangerous side. If you look at the interactions parents have with their kids just the way fathers play with their kids is greatly different from mothers. This type of play that fathers have with their kids is much more "adventurous" and expands what the child knows. The mother is there more to nurture and part of that is preventing you from getting hurt in the first place.

The influence from your mother is telling you the stove is hot and you shouldn't touch it, the influence from your dad is letting you touch it and learn the lesson first hand.

I can partially relate but I think this is only a partial.

I grew up with a narcissistic mother and grandmother, a doormat, enabler father.

Something I had to deal with as an adult was recognizing I had been trained to put other people's emotions before my own. I still battle with it but it's some surreal shit.

Case in point, last weekend I was hashing out kid stories with my therapist. I was asked "What could have changed about your childhood for the better" and everything I was listing were things I could have done to affect other people. Not action, management of other people's emotions or my actions could have served those emotions better.

Red Pill has been great for obvious reasons. I've been benefiting from the lessons for a long time but I still find old programming that needs fixing from time to time.

My point is that the relationship between a narcissistic mother and a son is very different. Especially if there is a golden child and the son becomes a scapegoat and the father is a beaten down beta.

That protection is abuse. It's not a shit test. A narcissistic mother is protective in-so-far that they maintain ownership of the child. A scapegoat son is the way a narcissist channels all their insecurities. It's a split between SG and GC. SC is the outlet for bad they ignore - it's put on you. GC is the outlet for vicariously re-living their life.

That is not coddling. That is helicopter-parenting. That is sheltering.

women are more protective of their sons than their daughters

I'd say it's the opposite. They are more protective of girls. Be home before 9, who's the boy you're talking to?, Don't do this/that you might get hurt... ect. I'd probably attribute this to the whole victim complex, women are always the victims.

I can see how coddling may be a form of shit test for the son to see if he's ready for the real world, or at least he has to break through the shit test/rule and go on his own. Definitely a valid point.

I think you're reading way too much into it. Sure, an overprotective mother isn't a good thing but it's not a shit test. It's human nature. You are her offspring and billions of years of evolution is telling her to protect her offspring - her only shot at immortality.

I'm not sure about that, but here is a related idea:

Teenagers' hostility toward parent is often them trying to build an "independent adult" frame when their parents are (maybe for good reasons) not ready to see them that way.

I am reminded of being annoyed by my Mom being overly generous with e.g. food after I'd moved out. It seems ungrateful, right? but in this context it makes some sense.

Buddy, LIFE is a shit test.

You're reading too deep into it.

Mothers will always be protective of their genetic legacy.

Fuck you man!

At least spare your fucking mother! The only woman in the entire universe who'll lay down her life for you.

Keep her away from this Trp shit.