How a feminist helped me find TRP | TheRedPill

The only problem was that we would start getting into arguments about feminism. I used to be an ardent feminist. I had, some years before, gotten into PUA and I started getting pretty good with girls, so I was starting to see a conflict. I told her that I, "didn't apply feminism to dating", and that set off arguments.

I noticed that she didn't argue very logically and she had a lot of ideas that I thought were a load of baloney (you always need affirmative consent - which she didn't follow in her own life even, and fat acceptance - I've worked out for years and had just gotten serious into lifting at that point, and the only time I had put on fat in my life, I lost it in 3 months).

She'd get pissed and in a huff use the feminist term for, "this argument is done, I can't believe you're so stupid" - "educate yourself".

Now that I've found TRP, and from my broader PUA knowledge, I understand what this term means. What it really means is, "You need to adopt the correct opinion. I don't like your opinion and find it offensive, and therefore it cannot be true."

At the time though, I took it straight. And so I began educating myself.

I asked her for examples of "feminist dating advice" - she provided two articles that didn't even really address the question. Written by women with no understanding of Game. They were all "treat her like an equal, ask for consent!, etc, etc" which I already knew was bullshit. I began to look on my own, in addition to other points she was making.

During my search, I started to find Redpill blogs and websites. Return of Kings and Rational Male, Dalrock and Chateau Heartiste. Finally I found this subreddit. I'd never really used reddit before, I didn't even have an account before I wanted to ask a question on AskTRP. I also saw an old college friend of mine post about TRP on a facebook feed, asking another guy if he followed it (meaning it in a negative way). I realized that there was something on here that people just didn't like.

Suddenly I realized, this all went a lot deeper than what I had learned from PUA.

Swallowing the pill was easier for me, because I had been primed for it beforehand with PUA, and I had once made the conversion from very Christian to non-religious, so a radically shifting belief system wasn't as tough for me. I was able to see how correct this stuff was immediately.

To anyone on the fence, this information is great. If you care about getting the most out of your life, you'll read this sub and heavily consider what it teaches.

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shutayooface 11y ago

I'm sort of the exact opposite of OP. I long ago realized feminism is a flawed theory. But only recently have I awoken from my Disney inspired romantic fantasies.

SubtleObserver 11y ago

Could you elaborate further about your Disney inspired romantic fantasies? I have them as well, forever actually, and it is something I have thought about for a way. I have not had a chance to discuss this with any.

What were they and what promoted you to realize what they were? What have you done to fill that void?

Cyralea 11y ago

I don't like your opinion and find it offensive, and therefore it cannot be true."

[deleted] 11y ago

That's why you always avoid a rational argument with a woman. It's not worth your time or energy and it will only make her angry, confused and hysterical.

1independentmale 11y ago

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" -Sam Harris

cocaine_face 11y ago

She used those phrases liberally as well. I once made an argument that I was fine with fat shaming if it led to lowered obesity rates, because obesity was a far bigger killer than the relatively rare cases of anorexia. If a few more girls died due to anorexia, but thousands were saved from being obese - that was a fine trade-off to me. I have since found that fat shaming may not be effective, but considering my premise, the argument was sound.

Her hamster exploded on that logic.

Cyralea 11y ago

There is literally no truth that simultaneously makes women feel bad. A woman's reality is first predicated on making her internal emotions respond positively, followed by adherence to evidence.

Buchloe 11y ago

I've noticed this regarding money conversations. It seems easy enough to notice a flaw in your financial situation and acknowledge that it could use improvement, such as spending on fun and nice stuff instead of saving. Girls though, if they don't already have good habits, tend to be like "eh, I guesssss so" when they complain about having no money and I tell them I've had to discipline myself to have a "when in doubt, hold off on the purchase" mentality, even though having extra money and building on it opens up so many more possibilities for the things you REALLY want down the road... its just a useless conversation no matter how inoffensively you approach it. Best you can usually do is focus on your own money, don't get tied up in another persons finances, and find women with smart habits. Plus the latter tend to not to ask you to buy them things so much

BluepillProfessor 11y ago

The reason women always win arguments with men is because only stupid men get into arguments with them.

If you just wait a few minutes she will contradict herself.

fastball21 11y ago

Ditto path here. A discussion about feminism led to Dalrock, Roosh, Rollo, Roissy, RoK, etc... which led to here.

cocaine_face 11y ago

I think that it's just because it's so tangibly obvious that it works, and men are rationally interested and logical.

If you go from having dry spells to suddenly you're drowning in girls - and that happens -rapidly-, you're sold, forever. I think the most ardent RPers are men who drank the feminism koolaid and then saw, either through PUA or TRP that it just didn't reflect reality.

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WarmApfelPi 11y ago

That's an interesting question. Feminism has been called the ultimate shittest more than once here. If it is true, it is not conscious, but seems to have that effect regardless. For sure there is likely no woman that would admit to it either.

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cocaine_face 11y ago

Maybe it'll lead to a backlash. Our women are asking for us to be men, in the way that they do (they can't just come out and ask - such is not their nature). It's our responsibility to be that for them, and teach them how to be proper women.

Feminism is our fault gentlemen, because we are the sex that has agency.

Hoodwink 11y ago

I mostly agree with what you're saying about /r/relationships, but the posters (women) who had terrible narcissistic advice [Rule 0: Always defend or back-up the female.] have now moved on to /r/sex and /r/askwomen, and they are evangelizing about the advantages of polygyny (better known as an open relationship or polyamory).

HiddenPools 11y ago

Reddit's hivemind is crazy easy to control.

One minute it's all "blue team!" then someone posts something which gets 1000 upvotes and suddenly it's all "red team!" after ONE FUCKING POST.

I've even seen TRP do it, the supposed bastion of "don't let other people lead you around".

But then again, this is the internet, where the game is made up and the points don't matter.

TL;DR Take what you need, discard the rest from the interwebs.

trpSenator 11y ago

I think it's more about one day reddit is bitching about TRP a and saying how evil it is, then the next day there is some hugely successful gilded comment which is essentially RP advice but said more gently.

The only places that are giving BP advice and taking it seriously, are areas dominated by women. But even those places are known as jokes and require heavy moderation to control the narrative. It's sort of like any YouTube video about feminism. That if they don't disable comments and voting, it will almost always get shit on left and right.

Lt_Muffintoes 11y ago

Yeah, it's hilarious. On the one hand, they want to use shame to prevent you from doing your own research. On the other, if they use that shame, it leads you to do your own research.

They end up having to further twist their upside down loony world and just pretend the truth isn't out here.

chakravanti93 11y ago

It's a shit test. TRP is unequivocally subsidized (with respect to social capitol) by the feminist movement. It exist to increase the size and variety extant within the Cock Carousel.

Lt_Muffintoes 11y ago

See, I don't think that's the case. TRP is understanding the world in the context of masculinity. In a situation of social monogamy, eg 60 years ago, being red pill would still reap huge rewards vs being a blue pill beta bitch boy.

Also, feminism is literally a disease. It spreads by exploiting weaknesses in the female pschye, and communicates through language. It is totally mindless: whatever causes the disease to be more successful is adopted into its DNA; features which hurt its spread are discarded.

Think about this: if there was a religion which had as its first commandment, "Do not under any circumstances spread this religion", it would die out within a generation or two. Therefore, there are certain characteristics a cult or movement must have in order to be successful.

More commandments which can help spread ideology

"Do not question the ideology" "Indoctrinate children into the ideology" "Anything which contradicts the ideology is evil"

chakravanti93 11y ago

We who can see will. Those who will hedonize proliferate the umbrella to serve feminism. TRP itself cannot cause more to break free than have the will to be free.

Transmigratory 11y ago

Yeah, PUA led me to TRP eventually.

The only thing I don't get is how feminist advocates expect guys to follow their advice, when their antipodes -- aspects of the Manosphere such as TRP and PUA -- give man far superior results. With said feminists, not to mention!

I guess all of us who were drowned in feminist rhetoric via the company we have/had were really just subject to the BS their hamsters sprouted prior discovering the Manosphere and ingesting the Red Pill.

cocaine_face 11y ago

The reason is that the realm of sexual strategy is absolutely alien to women.

They don't typically engage in it (lesbians, perhaps, excepted), basic girl game is pretty much just, 1) be in the right location 2) look pretty 3) maybe, but probably not, say hi

The idea that someone could get better at attracting them is a scary idea. Plus it destroys the "special snowflake" aspect of girls. If standard tactics work, then that means that the girl isn't a special unique individual. Hence the common shaming tactic of, "I'm sure those tactics work on SOME girls (implying dumber, or sluttier - though most women seem to conflate the two), but they wouldn't work on me".

Transmigratory 11y ago

It is amazing how the women who tend to use that shaming tactic are the most susceptible to the PUA methods.

RedPillSafe 11y ago

"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."

Red Pill is the serpent Wisdom.

[deleted] 11y ago

I had once made the conversion from very Christian to non-religious

I'm an atheist and this made me wonder- Are most guys here non-religious too? Or does TRP philosophy integrate into your religion?

deepfriedcocaine 11y ago

My friend works at a church whose priest supposedly preaches in favor of men being the dominant sex while their wives remain submissive. Not sure how common that is because I'm an atheist and don't go, but I assume that most guys here are at least secularists.

Acx3 11y ago

Most people on TRP are probably agnostic with theists/atheists being in the minority. Christians probably just integrate the parts of TRP which don't directly contradict the biblical imperative.

[deleted] 11y ago

The Bible is very Red Pill, but modern Christianity is not. Dalrock writes about this regularly. The main divergences between TRP and the Bible is spinning plates and selfishness.

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vandaalen 11y ago

Many people here do not spin plates and TRP doesn't necessary lead to it.

Personally I also don't think it needs to end in becoming a selfish person, but only to watching out to where you direct your altruism and don't cast pearls before swine. In my opinion this goes perfectly with the bible. Just read the proverbs.

RedPillSafe 11y ago

Red Pill attracts all people who understand how women work or want to learn how women work..

There is a wide range of personality types and no single direction that points where to go and I think that's a great thing about Red Pill.

Basically if you are wise you can do what you want. You might choose to have a family or you might choose to burn society to the ground. We don't moralize about someone's decision, but we can observe the alternative choices.

garlicextract 11y ago

asking another guy if he followed it (meaning it in a negative way). I realized that there was something on here that people just didn't like.

Funny how this is such a common way of finding TRP. Alas, were it not for the haters, I'd have never found TRP.

[deleted] 11y ago

Every time a women doesn't like my opinion I tell her she doesn't have to stay with me and can get the fuck out, and guess what? She stays and sucks my dick too.

Surprising really. Decent looking girls too.

I randomly stumbled here by accident, liked what I saw, stayed. I never took feminism or liberalism seriously. Was a hardcore atheist from birth.

[deleted] 11y ago

I find it unusual that you could know PUA but not know TRP. Was it instinctual? Did you go to a seminar or something?

cocaine_face 11y ago

TRP, as far as I can tell, is something of an outgrowth of natural game, which only really started in 2010 or 2011. I did most of my game research in late 2011, after a horrible situation with a girl, so I don't think TRP was really around then.

After that most of my stuff was just practice by going out a lot - I stopped consuming material for the most part. My buddy would occasionally show me RSD videos, but other than that, I didn't really look into material, so the whole TRP stuff was entirely new to me.

switchme808 11y ago

PUA has been much more mainstream (relative to TRP) for a long time now. I remember there was even a TV show on MTV or something ~8-10 years ago. This subreddit isn't even 2 years old yet.

cocaine_face 11y ago

I'd say PUA-style knowledge (whether in traditional forms or made more "palatable") is being used pretty widely now. The terms alpha and beta seem like they've entered the collective language of people, main stream dating advice is (occasionally) using redpill/PUA stuff, and I hear people on the primary battlefields (college campuses) using terms like ASD, and I had a coworker recommend I take a look at a site called "simple pickup".

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cocaine_face 11y ago

Not what was said at all. Stop trolling, and educate yourself.

[deleted] 11y ago

so you dropped feminism and religion, there are potentially two fat cats angry at you for that!

but are you still a "cultural feminist" / "cultural ___ist"

or have you gone on to adopt the ways of brodin?

cocaine_face 11y ago

I dropped religion over a decade ago.

I publicly identify as a mild feminist because it is in my self-interest to do so (I am a professional in a liberal northern university town), while expressing mostly redpill opinions and behaviors.

[deleted] 11y ago

yeah but would your jimmies be rustled if feminist convictions would be boldly ignored in this one odd situation? you know what I'm saying, a lot of people on TRP still cling to those things that somehow TRP comes out okey or is 'real feminism' and thats bullshit.

as for self interest, keep doing this. this is a good practice as opposed to some people evangelising the information they see here.

feelinglazy 11y ago

Do you run into any trouble doing that?

cocaine_face 11y ago

I try not to evangelize as much, so no. It'll just be little nuggets dropped here or there.

My gay roommate is sorta swallowing (and having a hard time of it) the redpill because I'll literally invite girls over to cook me dinner, randomly, and I ask him if he wants anything. At one point he claimed it was the type of girl I dated, but then his female friend came over, and not an hour into her being over, there she is in the kitchen making me cookies.

That's the only person that really gives me any shit though. Obviously I don't say these things to women.