Transgender Mixed martial arts fighter Fallon Fox grievously injures his natural-born female opponent Tamikka Brents in a bout that lasts only one round.
This is what happens when you argue with reality.
Here's what I find amusing - typically in the case of sex changes, political correctness demands that we refer to the transgender individual by their new sex - in this case, everyone should be referring to Fallon Fox as "she".
But a woman was injured, a REAL woman - broken face and a concussion. Suddenly, Fallon Fox is a man once again.
So, we now understand the social hierarchy in even greater resolution:
Women > Transwoman > Men
Here's an interesting moral quandary for political correctness: where on this scale do transmen fit?
Given that Feminist Priority of Blame™ passes over women every time practical reality squashes wishful thinking, my guess would be that transmen (F2M) would be placed right after women. After all, they're still women deep down inside. Except when they're not.
All we need is some woman willing to get a sex change and enter the men's fighting league, and we can test this theory.
Any takers?

[deleted] 11y ago
My actual feeling is Trannies should fuck off. Society should be TOLERANT of them but that doesn't mean permissive or accepting or bending over backwards to accomodate them
I'm going to call a him a him, and a her a her. I don't give a shit what pronoun of the day they adopt in their narcissism or what they do to their bodies. For the vast majority of them, every cell in their body is coded with their birth gender and that's what they are.
I could go around and claim I'm a fox, glue orange fur to my face and body, and get body mods, but most people will just see me as a dumbass and rightly so.
There are 3x as many MtF than there are FtMs. I think that discrepancy is due to weak men seeing how much easier it's to be a woman than it's a men and flock over. And I'm supposed to respect that? Fuck no.
Tell the tranny is he wants to compete, it's as a man, as he was born and as he genetically is. Or form their own league instead of attentionwhoring and chasing after an audience someone else built.
Fzed600 11y ago
If cutting your balls and making an artificial vagina makes you a woman, then by that logic you can be technically anything.
http://i.imgur.com/aK4AMHN.png
vicious_armbar 11y ago
Exactly. They can chop off their dick and balls; then claim to be a woman. But their chromosomes say otherwise.
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peachacook 11y ago
If you met them on the street, would you really call Balian Buschbaum "she", or Laverne Cox "he"?
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Red_August 11y ago
Man, woman, tranny, cis-whateverthefuck are titles like Mr. Mrs. and Dr. Call yourself whateverthefuck you want. Cucumber III from Omegaland for all we care.
Male, female is genetic. They span wide and there is intersection but they are what they are regardless of how many tattoos you get, piercings, hormonal drugs or dick-cut-offs.
[deleted] 11y ago
I disagree with even ceding this much. Man is not distinct from male. It's just to differentiate a male child (boy) from a male adult (man). Same as woman/girl.
If you call in a kindergarten that you have a girl you want to bring in, and bring some 45 year old dick-chopped-off wonder, there's going to be problems.
Same with Dr. In certain countries, it's actually punishable to appropriate that title without having earned it.
I mean, come on, you can have whatever name you want legally, but words don't belong to an individual to be used on them as a case by case basis, they belong to a society.
Just because radical progressives have a problem with reality, doesn't mean I'm going to let them redefine words I use in a futile effort to redefine reality.
marijuanaperson 11y ago
You ever hear of gender dysphoria? The vast majority of People who are transgender are not narcissistic or attentionwhores, your statement sounds very ignorant and misinformed.
Fzed600 11y ago
Except that the majority of trannies change to women and expect straight men to love them.
[deleted] 11y ago
Yes.
Wiki says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity_disorder
Wow. Basically the most concrete fact in that article is that they don't know shit but they can report it's generally brownish.
Tumblr convinced me otherwise.
Thanks, and I'm sticking by it.
Anyway, back to wiki:
So I'm sure there are a few people with fucked up wiring, but I'm convinced it's dwarfed by professional victims, attention whores, alternative lifestyle-seekers, malcontents latching onto some shit to give their pathetic lives meaning, or those with uber zealous parents goading them into it.
Ill_mumble_that 11y ago
Every tranny I ever met was an attention whore. Show me one who isn't.
rife_omeqa 11y ago
Calling bullshit.
The term "gender dysphoria" is a fancy way of saying someone is unhappy with their gender.
Fatties can be as unhappy as they like. They could call it a fancy name. They're still fat.
A man unhappy about being a man who then decides to be a woman doesn't make him a woman. Gender is not something one can decide. It is dictated by birth and genetics.
Simply calling an Orange an Apple doesn't make it taste different.
[deleted] 11y ago
Fuck I love this subreddit so much for just speaking the truth.
Almost_legit 11y ago
does anyone remember the Caster Semenya incident?
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ThisShitRules 11y ago
There was a thing some time ago about a tranny wanting to compete with women in crossfit games, and they didn't let her. Guess crossfit knows better.
Dornerthecoroner 11y ago
The Fallon Fox and feminist horde vs Joe Rogan is actually how I stumbled into RedPill.
[deleted] 11y ago
Cutting your balls off makes you stronger. Example: [Dongfang Bubai] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dongfang_Bubai).
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Sandkasten 11y ago
Joe Rogan says what I wanted to write. It is not fair! "Her" physical abilities exceed those of any female born opponent.
anonlymouse 11y ago
Except they don't. Smith manhandled her worse than Justino handled Coenen.
[deleted] 11y ago
Smith spoke out in an interview after the fight saying that "her" punches were much stronger than any women she's fought, and even some of the men she's sparred with.
She felt that Fox had an inherent physical advantage in that match, but that she was able to overcome it with superior skill.
Ashlee Evans-Smith says she feels Fallon Fox shouldn't be able to fight women
anonlymouse 11y ago
Smith had only fought once before fighting Fox, not much of a point of comparison. Also shows that Fox isn't that exceptional if someone with a 1-0 record can beat her.
[deleted] 11y ago
If you ignore her entire amateur career, sure. Add those up and she'd had at least 10 fights prior to her bout with Fox, not to mention her years of training and sparring. Plenty of points for comparison.
Beyond that, you seem to be missing the point entirely. Her physical ability and her MMA skill are two separate talking points. She can be physically superior to her opponent, yet still be outmaneuvered and outfought. The debate here is whether or not that physical advantage could potentially be putting her opponents in a dangerous scenario.
If Fox continues to take fights against naturally born women, I expect that this won't be the last news article we'll be reading about broken bones and one-sided victories.
anonlymouse 11y ago
Amateur is moderately comparable to pro. It matters somewhat, but pro record is far more relevant.
We've got broken bones and one sided victories with naturally born women fighting each other.
[deleted] 11y ago
just don't give those sick guys who want viewes ideas.
tangman 11y ago
Wow I can't believe female MMA fighting is even a thing.
gameno 11y ago
Invictus is actually a really great card. Its way more entertaining watching 125lb chicks fight than watching 125lb dudes hug each other on the ground for 15 minutes. UFC is over 20 years old and strikeforce started nearly 30 years ago, so it will take a while for women to get better at using performance enhancing drugs like the guys.
[deleted] 11y ago
Good. For all those SJW and Feminists that were screeching at Joe Rogan who called this freak of nature out: you just got a 1-2 equality punch. It fucking sucks, doesn't it?
[deleted] 11y ago
Addendum: any girls stupid enough to get in the ring with this thing deserved what they got.
SavageOrc 11y ago
Ashlee Evans Smith had a pretty dominate win over Fallon Fox. Fallon isn't invincible.
[deleted] 11y ago
The same fighter says she doesn't think the tranny should be able to fight women, that she has an unfair physical advantage (that Smith was able to overcome with skill):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=TRBGnjoWdo8
Folsomdsf 11y ago
That's because it's broken down by weight class and such, they don't throw a 280lb guy in the ring with a 130 lb guy.
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http://www.unz.com/isteve/man-beats-up-woman-gets-paid-for-it/
SolidFisher 11y ago
I just youtubed the fight. It didnt look right. I feel bad Tamikka was put in that position.
needmorefat 11y ago
Women's sports has always been confusing - even subtracting identity issues, biology is confusing all by itself.
Several athletes assigned female at birth, who grew up socialized as women and believed themselves to be women, discovered later in life that they actually had Y chromosomes which simply never activated properly because of weird SRY genes. They spent all their lives training and competing - should they be rendered ineligible because of genetic anomaly which they were totally unaware of? No doubt that Y chromosome contributed to their success, even though they didn't know about it.
Ultimately, we've got to figure out some better metrics than gender and weight classes for our divisions concerning what a "fair" competition is... which advantages are considered fair and which unfair?
hermit087 11y ago
Womens sports are a grey area. There is often a sliding scale when it comes to gender, and for a woman to excel she ultimately needs to become more manlike, which almost defeats the purpose of even having womens sports.
For example, there was a dominant female track and field athlete early 20th century who was later discovered to have a very small penis during her autopsy after her death. It wasnt really a case of cheating, she just identified as female her whole life and kept the abnormal condition a secret.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanis%C5%82awa_Walasiewicz
cali_gunner 11y ago
Here we are in the LGBT lobby section of the comments that tries to make any kind of excuse or extrapolation.
needmorefat 11y ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_verification_in_sports
it's a sports issue first and foremost. any lgbt political overtones come second.
cat-tasrophic 11y ago
It must be just as hard for the professional male athletes that found out later in life that they were actually women.
Wait, who am I kidding. They wouldn't be professional male athletes. They'd be terrible.
fareven 11y ago
Kinnon MacKinnon took powerlifting gold in competition against other men. He was assigned female at birth, transitioned to male.
anonlymouse 11y ago
While interesting, that was the gay games - that's not too different from winning a women's competition given the depth of the pool.
fareven 11y ago
True.
This is powerlifting, which means that, like MMA, competitors are divided into weight classes. I suspect that kind of division makes far more difference than what their crotch looked like when they were born. I wouldn't expect a trans man to have much success at, say, professional football, where everyone from the smallest and lightest built to the walking bulldozers compete on the same field, but when a trans man is competing with people of similar size the outcome will be more a matter of training and skill.
Olipyr 11y ago
Were they born with a penis or a vagina?
needmorefat 11y ago
vag, boobs, anatomically normal uterus, the works. They just had a y chromosome which was missing a couple essential genes.
Olipyr 11y ago
Then, there's no problem with them fighting in the women's division.
I like Joe Rogans take on this Fox person.
needmorefat 11y ago
Also, Rogan says that she can fight in the men's division... but the thing is, she's probably taking sex hormones (Or maybe not...if she's not taking any hormones, after chopping off the balls she'd actually have lower T than a normal females, which would offset her frame advantage somewhat). That opens up the door to another whole world of gray areas, since we currently don't allow athletes to take hormones. (Granted, she's probably taking female hormones, so it doesn't matter in this case)
needmorefat 11y ago
I mean, you can draw the line at penis if you want (that y chromosome still likely confers athletic advantages even if it didn't confer a penis) but there are gray areas their too.
For example, some people grow pseudo-penises (basically, when the clitoris is gigantic and penis-shaped. All you need is androgen).
And there is an entire population of men in the Dominican Republic born with penises so tiny that doctors mistook them for clitorises and pronounced them to be girls. The penises grow out and testicles descend in puberty and function normally.
Clitoris and penis, man and woman, are just words. Biology doesn't care about human words and categories.. In most athletics, masculine features are almost always superior, so no matter where you draw the line the people who go right up to the line but stop short of the edge can often dominate women's sports. You can't escape the gray. It's not a coincidence that so many girl athletes are lesbians.
RedPillSafe 11y ago
Isn't the whole idea of being a male-to-female transgender that you are supposed to imagine yourself as being a woman inside?
Then you want to do MMA?
The whole LGBT thing just seems like a massive hamster wheel to me. Once you convince yourself that you are some "special snowflake" gender you then find a million justifications to make it seem legitimate.
Everyone has an imagination, it's how you use it that matters.
(I know I'm being horribly cynical)
Y_Ddraig 11y ago
If this is allowed it won't be long before China start fielding entire teams of transgender people to compete, and they will dominate every level of women's sport. If you take the 10th best athlete in China at every sport then give them a sex change, they will win.
Wargame4life 11y ago
I seem to remember an african female sprinter a few years ago who absolutely dominated her opponents and beat loads of records only to find out after drug tests etc that she was a guy or a hemaphrodite and she didnt know she was.
Cant remember exactly but her success was exactly because she was a he.
Position5hero 11y ago
Wait wait wait
So if I put on a dress and get in a ring, I can fight in fights with cash money prizes in it against women?
Shit bro why ain't more people doing this.
mordanus 11y ago
Reminded me of andy kaufman. Funny as hell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVJPAe4-lBM
tedcase 11y ago
Self respect?
Besides, I can't imagine the prizemony is all that great in female MMA.
HumanSockPuppet 11y ago
You gotta have your balls cut off, too.
Small wonder that more bluepill men don't try and compete in women's MMA.
gprime312 11y ago
Their test levels are still lower than most chicks even with their balls attached.
blue_27 11y ago
Can't I just tuck it back? I suppose I'd have a hard time explaining why I needed a cup, but all the tranny supporters I have dealt with say that gender is just a state of mind. Or some shit like that. So, if you truly feel like a chick today, you should be able to put on a sports bra and jump in a ring.
But ... it brings us to the ultimate point about physically competing with women. No glory if you win, and twice the shame if you lose. So, what's the point?
Position5hero 11y ago
they'd get their asses fucking beat
had a fling with a girl that did MMA back in the day pretty sure she could ruin them in like 30 seconds
she was chill but at the end of the day the body type isn't for everyone.
feels weird cuddling with a girl and feeling her lats
HumanSockPuppet 11y ago
Fucking hell, my balls retreated into my body when I read that.
Position5hero 11y ago
haha
the sex is the best you're ever gonna get though
gets competitive
Red_August 11y ago
My asshole contracted in self-defence
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Position5hero 11y ago
yeh man
one night I was fucking her and I realized she had developed an 8 pack and I was like... enough
6 i could tolerate but 8 nah
namae_nanka 11y ago
lol be glad that you didn't get to this
Position5hero 11y ago
you can't get harder than a diamond bro
joncho 11y ago
You need to chop it off first
anonlymouse 11y ago
They're afraid to face Cristiane Justino.
favours_of_the_moon 11y ago
http://youtu.be/1uQlB99WCuk
Hughtub 11y ago
He's definitely one of the funniest people of the last century. "See I can do anything I want!" Portrays himself as a crazed evil guy just to rile up the opposition, when the whole think with Lawler was a prank and they were friends.
BluepillProfessor 11y ago
Yah it's more than a dress.
Ya gotta be willing to lop your dick off for your scheme. Any takers?
honkytonks 11y ago
How about a very convincing tuck?
ChristopherBurr 11y ago
link to the fight
CantankerousPolymath 11y ago
What's interesting is that the chick he/she was fighting almost appears to be more masculine than Fallon.
What a world.
prodigyx 11y ago
Thanks for the link.
That knee to the face was brutal.
Alex_is_not_on_fire 11y ago
First, I'd like to point out that grievous injury is an inherent risk in MMA fighting. Her background probably made the injury worse than it would've been had she been "natural," but I'm not going to hate her for it - that's an inherent risk of MMA fighting!
Also, I'm a little disappointed to see that a lot fo TRP hates trans people - I don't think most people "choose" to feel like they're a different sex/gender, and I'll be tolerant of their choice. Maybe the technology isn't quite there yet, but it will one day, and I'm fine with calling someone born a "he" a "she" if that's what they truly want - I can't imagine feeling like a woman in a man's body, and I think some people legitimately do feel that way.
We can philosophize why this is and criticize the conditions that lead people to feel this way, but I don't think we should spouting trans-hate while we do it.
inb4 bb, inb4 downvotes, I just don't see any reason to hate people who have not wronged me.
ThanksRoissy 11y ago
You're right about the technology. I think the technology that will really change the world, for better or worse, will be the artificial womb.
drunkt 11y ago
I have nothing against trans people. Its just in situations like the above you have real issues of safety that are ignored in the name of fairness. Like wise , their was an issue where the Salvation Army wouldn't give a trans person housing. That was the headline , the actual story was they already gave this person 60 days or so of housing but they decided against placement in a women's only shelter due to shared bathrooms and stuff. Think of all the stupid here , rather then saying " Thanks for the help" this person decided to make an issue out of it .
BasementMisogynist 11y ago
Pull out every popcorn gif in the world. I love this. I have nothing against trans people and I support their reclassification.
But watching feminism tear apart their allies in the LGBT community is hilarious.
p.s. can you guys stop white knighting for women on this issue.
fareven 11y ago
The noisiest (i.e., craziest) feminists don't have any allies in the T part of the LGBT community. These TERF's see trans women as undercover agents of the eeeevil patriarchy, sent to infiltrate their sacred womyn-only spaces, while they see trans men as gender traitors.
Whisper 11y ago
The issue here is that testosterone giveth, and taketh not away.
A F2M fighter, given enough exogenous testosterone, could actually complete just fine with men. Testosterone adds muscle, adds bone density, raises the pain threshold, etc, and doesn't give a crap what sex chromosomes you have.
A M2F tranny does have an unfair advantage over actual women. Testosterone makes permanent changes.
All of this is trivial, of course. Who cares about an unfair advantage in women's professional athletics? The only reason there is such a thing is that women need a special protected league to compete in. Men's athletics isn't "men's" because only men are allowed in. It's "men's" because women don't stand a chance.
Asking whether an M2F tranny should be allowed to compete in women's athletics is like asking whether an ordinary person with his legs amputated should be allowed to compete in the "tallest midget competition".
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fareven 11y ago
I notice that everyone is ignoring the fact that MMA uses weight classes.
Someone who grows up as a guy and then transitions to being a girl loses all their testosterone - even a genetic girl has some in their system, more than an MtF. That means an MtF loses muscle mass and muscle density, all they're left with from their male past is a larger frame than they would have had if they'd been on estrogen from the start.
All that larger frame gets them is matchups with women who are bigger like they are - and since the genetic girls their size have some natural testosterone in their systems, the genetic girls will be better at making and maintaining muscle mass.
ThanksRoissy 11y ago
Would you mind doing a picture reference if possible?
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HumanSockPuppet 11y ago
It's trivial for the purposes of trying to compare the physical prowess of the sexes, certainly. Men will win every time.
What this is useful for is predicting how SJWs and their water-carriers will react to situations where the needs of men, women, and transsexuals come into conflict.
If this were a sinking ship, I would bet my boots that natural born-women would receive preferential selection over M2Fs for lifeboat privileges.
Whisper 11y ago
Of course.
SJW's preference for women is disguised as a passion for justice, but what it really is, is their expression of the oldest, most fundamental, principle of the human condition.
Eggs are valuable. Sperm is cheap.
A group of primitive humans can replenish its number quickly if it loses a significant number of men. If it loses a lot of women, it's in trouble.
This is why humans, both male and female, have a hardwired instinctive drive to protect women over men. Women have inherent value because they can produce children. Men have only whatever value they earn.
This is why a F2M tranny can function just fine in most contexts. She gives up her inherent value, and succeeds or fails at earning value just like any man.
This is also why a M2F just can't function as a women. He doesn't gain a woman's inherent value by taking some hormones and having his dick chopped off.
So, if this were a sinking ship, women would indeed receive a place in the lifeboats before an M2F. But an F2M would also get put with the men.
The protectiveness hierarchy is female > everyone else. M2F, F2M, male, doesn't matter.
through_a_ways 11y ago
More people need to realize this. I've said it many times before: Everything of biological value comes from females.
Milk, eggs, fish roe, fruit, potentially honey as well. Every substance of major nutritive value that can be taken from an organism without killing it only comes from females. Meat and roots kill or damage the animal/plant when harvested, so potatoes, carrots, etc., don't count. Leafy greens only contain micronutrients, and also kill or hurt the plant when harvested.
The production of these female substances (milk eggs fruit etc.) is stressful for the female as well, but the difference is that females are designed to produce these things; it's not something that the harvester actively does. Cutting off a leaf of kale is an active pursuit, but the chicken is gonna lay eggs no matter what.
The value of women is inflated even more in humans than in other animals, because we're mammals (therefore gestation and milk apply), and we have extremely long periods of development and dependence compared even to other mammals.
This is the part I don't agree with. I can't imagine that women would function well as men. Even after accounting for all the mental stress and adapting to a much harsher life, you also have to realize that women are short, making their lives as men (on average) even harder.
Additionally, an M2F can function as a woman, but only on the condition that he looks enough like one, or is physically attractive. We don't like women because we consciously recognize they shit out babies, we like them because we've been evolutionarily selected to do so, the pressure being that they shit out babies.
It's like saying that we like sugar because it has calories, and that non-nutritive sugar substitutes will never take off because they will never have calories. We like it because it tastes good, no other reason.
Of course, the average F2M probably makes a more convincing man than the average M2F, because testosterone is "irreversible". Possibly also because the male gender is more diverse in all aspects, and one of those aspects could be level of femininity. In other words, you'll find men who are both extremely feminine and extremely masculine, but you won't find many women who are particularly masculine or feminine (Of course, women are more feminine than men by virtue of being women. This is just a theory, but the diversity thing holds for IQ and nearly every dating preference imaginable.)
anonlymouse 11y ago
Nope. Caster Semenya seriously underperformed compared to her previous record when she was forced to take T reducing meds. Most definitely can take away.
Iffy. There isn't much consistency of Win/Loss records among male fighters caught using steroids or with TRT exemptions. And Rousey, who's leagues ahead of anyone else in women's MMA except Cristiane Justino and perhaps Holly Holm posed absolutely no threat to Gilbert Melendez, who isn't far out of her weight class, despite Melendez going easy the whole time and Rousey going full bore. Part of that is that skill wise, the best male fighters are leagues ahead of the best female fighters, at which point physical advantages would be reduced. As was the case with BJ Penn going from -155 to -265 to fight Lyoto Machida and be the first fighter to actually put him in danger. The #1 guys in each weight class are often better than the contenders at higher weight classes, not just P4P but in a direct fight.
To an extent, but the main advantage comes from thicker wrists and a better hip to shoulder ratio, not the T-levels.
Y_Ddraig 11y ago
Even if you reduce levels of testosterone, you maintain higher muscle mass and muscle quality due to the permanent increase in satellite cells. This is why guys who take steroid for many years will have a higher base even after they stop taking them
anonlymouse 11y ago
Yes, but objectively performance decreases to lower levels than women with more moderate levels of T once T in high natural-T women has been reduced.
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[deleted] 11y ago
I can't stand the transgender thing, and aren't afraid to say something. If you don't have the parts, you aren't not the gender. In this case, "she" has the parts and a little of men too, so if this chick doesn't haven't a dick, it's a woman. Gender is entirely defined by genitalia. I was expecting to read about a pre-op MMA fighter.
mordanus 11y ago
I was wondering where children fit? Maybe something like
Women > children > Transwoman > Men
I think a trasman will fit in where it serves the narrative best. If she abuses a woman as a new man it will become "He beat her." If she gets into a fight with a man and the "true" man kicks her ass it will still be "He beat her."
HumanSockPuppet 11y ago
Actually, I had written children into my first draft of the post, but I removed them because I didn't know for sure how male children compared to M2F trans. It would like vary depending on the issue.
I imagine it would be something like:
Women/girls > F2M > Boys/M2F (depending on the situation) > Men
Quansau18 11y ago
It's skill and weight class, no big deal IMO, if they're in the same weight range they should be competitive. Sounds like the genuine female was being spoon fed in her training. Bs retroactive excuses for losing "never felt a grip that strong", like she's never worked out with a guy in MMA, give me a break. There is definitive sexual dimorphism in humans, but this is just being a sore loser/everyone backing her excuses. Imagine the shit storm if she had ko'd the tranny "petite MMA female destroys transgender Goliath!!!"
CryptoManbeard 11y ago
You're suggesting that a woman at 135 fighting a man at 135 has any chance? You're flat out wrong.
Take a man, cut off his balls at 18. Take a woman, pump her full of testosterone at 18 so that she grows a nub. Let them fight at 135. The M2F is way stronger, he received 18 years of testosterone during the formative years of his body.
Quansau18 11y ago
What I'm saying is that MMA is a multi faceted sport that relies upon more than simply strength to win, she lacked skills not strength, and is using this as an excuse to play off her loss as something that was inevitable.
CryptoManbeard 11y ago
Also false, because if that was true then girls would still be competitive with men, or there wouldn't be weight classes to begin with.
Notice how they started divying up weight classes in UFC after a couple tournaments? That's because after a baseline level of skill, strength plays a huge part in fighting. I'm guessing you've never fought before or you wouldn't be saying these things.
Quansau18 11y ago
It's precisely because of my experience in fighting that I am able to discern the bs from the truth. Sure if the tranny was 30/40 lbs heavier it would be substantial, but at similar weight they should even out into a skill based competition.
CryptoManbeard 11y ago
You are really talking straight up nonsense.
I can end your irrational thought pattern in one point of data, that every single weight class the fighters are within 2 pounds of eachother at weigh in, because every single oz of strength and weight makes a difference, even when fighting people of the same gender. Going up a weight class, only 10 pounds, is a completely different ball game.
I hope you are trolling, if not, I recommend you stop fighting immediately as you need to retain as many functioning brain cells as possible.
Quansau18 11y ago
I feel like you're backing my point up, so you are saying that weight plays a significant role in strength, correct?
CryptoManbeard 11y ago
Only if you're the same gender. A 135 pound guy will be significantly stronger than a 135 girl. The same as a 135 woman that heavily juiced for 20± years in her formative years will be stronger than a one that didn't at the same weight. Science has spoken, having balls during puberty massively increases bone density and strength. You can't just chop your balls off and expect that to disappear.
Quansau18 11y ago
I see what you're saying, although I am unsure of the significance bone density would have in fighting (more bones less muscle/tendon?) my point is that in fighting skills take precident over strength, like a huge weight lifter with no fighting experience would still get destroyed by a smaller person with training.
CryptoManbeard 11y ago
OK but no one fighting Invicta or StrikeForce or UFC is inexperienced. After a baseline level of skill, strength plays a major factor. Which is why an amateur MMA fighter could hang with a professional woman fighter at the same weight class.You're talking about two professionals with many fights each, squaring off together. Except one had 20+ years of natural doping from birth into adulthood and the other didn't.
CptDefB 11y ago
Someone, somewhere, didn't think this was not okay?
It's funny that people fear Orwellian societies when everything they fear is already self imposed, and as a creation of the self, seems just dandy.
I see in the article that this guy hid his op from the assoc, that's another strike if we even need to be counting.
Hope Solo is one thing... this is retarded. This guy should be thrown in the ring against men... I wonder if he'd sound just like the women he's been defeating exclusively in the 1st round because, oh, I don't know... 31 years of fucking testosterone?
Idiots.
Worse, at 31, this guy probably saw that he couldn't compete with younger males and took the easy route... this is the most disgusting thing I've seen in some time... worse than the usual "women do stupid awful shit" that permeates. That reminds me of their depth... no matter what women are, we are certainly better... but also way worse.
GruntStyle0311 11y ago
Of course they know it's wrong, but society has tricked them into thinking political correctness trumps morality and reality.
They knew it would end badly, but not as bad as lawsuits for discrimination. And judging by the comments, including those of the real woman who was victim here, nobody would sue for getting their ass beat by a transgender, because of the notion that "Well, I didn't get my ass kicked by a man. I got my ass kicked by a woman who used to have a man's body." But sure enough, if they didn't let the transgender fight as a woman, they would be sued and slandered by LGBT activists everywhere.
anonlymouse 11y ago
Rosi Sexton fully broke Windy Tomomi's ankle with a tani otoshi.
Ronda Rousey has broken two of her opponent's arms.
Cristiane Justino has given more than half her opponents serious concussions.
Irene Aldana left Peggy Morgan looking like Christy Mack.
This is part of the sport.
Ashley Evans-Smith had no trouble beating Fox, and she's a little soft. Women's MMA is shallow right now, and there's a huge range of ability in there.
This isn't as much of an issue as you make it out to be. Fox isn't fighting in tournaments, and since fighting Allanna Jones, every one of her opponents knew she used to be a man, and wouldn't lose any opportunities for turning her down.
HumanSockPuppet 11y ago
I'm not making it an issue. The SJWs are.
I haven't seen any articles written that scold Rosi, Ronda, Cristiane, or Irene for injuring their opponents - presumably because these were women fighting women.
It's only when a "man" fights a woman that all of a sudden people start crying foul over an "unfair" match between two people who, if the rhetoric is to be believed, are both equally strong.
RedSunBlue 11y ago
I came here to say this.
When one fighter clearly outclasses the other, the inferior fighter is going to get their pushed in, especially against a striker, and double especially if the inferior fighter is too tough for their own good.
I think that transgenderism is an issue worth discussing in MMA, but the drubbing that Ashley Evans-Smith gave to Fallon Fox seems to indicate to me that it's not an extremely important discussion.
If it were up to me, I wouldn't let Fox fight for any titles, but if any chicks wanted to make a name for themselves by beating a heshe, they'd be more than welcome to. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Fox's opponents agree to fight her for that reason.
anonlymouse 11y ago
Exactly. I was following the issue closely after she beat Jones, and was thinking that Fox is a little screwed - she's only legit in WMMA if she loses some fights. If she won every fight it would be because she isn't much of a she, not due to skill.
Dana said she'd never fight for the UFC, and Shannon banned her from Invicta as well, so yeah, she won't ever fight for an important title. I agree that people who agree to fight her do so because they can make a name for themselves. Smith would be a nobody without that win, and now she's got a shot of being on the level of Liz Bader for popularity.
rp-oldgame 11y ago
"I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life, and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right."
anonlymouse 11y ago
That means she has terrible training partners.
LuciusExitius 11y ago
I have been saying this for a long time. She has more muscle because she was born a woman, taking away your sexual organs doesn't change that. Make her fight a weight class above or something until they can establish a transgender division.
Surf_Or_Die 11y ago
The decline of western civilization on display for everyone to marvel at.
If you have a cock, you're man. Act like one. You fuck women, not men. You're not a "woman on the inside". You're a pussy who needs to grow up and MAN up. LGTB fuck all of you. Que the down votes, I don't give a fuck.
[deleted] 11y ago
Actually I think some transwomen might be stronger than some men.
[deleted] 11y ago
I hope there's more fights like this in the future, afterall, what else is women's MMA good for other than a hearty laugh?
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hermit087 11y ago
Check out the troll Josh Colletta in the comments section. I see people like this often, they must be paid to comment on these articles or something.
senore_wild 11y ago
Let me put my feminist hat on... k, it fits nicer than a fedora ;)
A feminist would say...
What to blame: Society & Culture.
It is our culture of violence that has led to this incident.
Wishing violent acts upon each other is male sport aka patriarchy. I think we should ban the MMA so this never happens again shitlords.
Done, feminist position saved for another day!
favours_of_the_moon 11y ago
Can the transwoman take responsibility for her actions?
GruntStyle0311 11y ago
Of course not, because she sees no wrongdoing in the matter. She see's herself as just an abnormally masculine skeletalmuscularly structured woman. As does society.